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Hey y 'all, it's just Greg tonight on Pursuit

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of the Paranormal podcast where I have just finished

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an absolutely amazing conversation with Patrick

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Scott Armstrong. He's one of the creative team

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behind Psionics, the mind that summons UFOs.

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He's also host of the Vetted podcast which you

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can catch on YouTube where they have over a hundred

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thousand subscribers. We talk about Where he

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started in his paranormal and UFO and UAP journey

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what got him in to the c5 heist and summoning

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UFOs Which has now been called psionics by a

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lot of people And we also talked about the journey

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that he went on when he came forward with the

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idea of making this documentary So strap in if

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So for now, sit back and have a listen. Hey Patrick,

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how are you doing? Great, Greg. Thank you so

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much for having me on. No, welcome. Welcome.

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Um, I've been wanting to get you on since we,

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we exchanged first emails. So thank you for,

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for taking the time. And I know we've had to

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move it around a little bit as is the, uh, the

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world nowadays. So I do appreciate that. Thank

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you. So we're going to talk a little bit about

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psionics, but before we get onto the documentary.

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It'd be good to get a little bit of history about

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you, because I know you do a podcast, you've

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got a YouTube channel, a very successful YouTube

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channel. So let's go back a little bit and just

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sort of get your sort of origin story into how

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you got to today, really. Yeah, it's called Vetted.

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And I started it three years ago, essentially,

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this summer is about three years. Yeah. And Yeah,

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I mean, it's kind of been a crazy ride for sure.

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I I've always been interested in the topic sort

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of tangentially, just kind of not at the main

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part of, you know, my life or the main focus

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of my life. But just, you know, see a good movie,

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see a documentary, you know, always interested.

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But I had a podcast before that it called The

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Lone Star Play, and on it, I interviewed James

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Fox for his film. moment of contact, which was

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about the 1996 Vargenia incident. And I was kind

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of blown away by that documentary. I was like,

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really good. This is this is it felt grounded

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and it felt like it felt like the dark night

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of UFO documentaries. You know, it just felt

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like, oh, this grounded, you know, they take

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something fantastical and sort of grounded it.

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And I felt very just interested in that. And

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so. when I was ready to start a new project because

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that other podcast just wasn't working. I mean,

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you get it. Just things if they're not rolling,

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you know, you kind of got to move on to something

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else. So I just said, you know, well, I really

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like UFOs right now. That seems to be something

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people are talking about. I've always been interested

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in it, but never known too much about it. So

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let's dive in and see what happens. And it's

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been a whirlwind journey ever since. So. With

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regards to the UFO topic, you mentioned the Varginha

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incident, which is fascinating. And that moment

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of contact film is brilliant. I really enjoyed

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that. And whilst I knew a little bit about what

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happened, I think James Fox was really good at

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telling the story. Is there any other films,

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not necessarily like a documentary style, but

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actually films that have peaked your interest?

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Because there's There's loads that I've enjoyed

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over the years that really got me into the subject.

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But it'd be interesting to hear what, what films

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or what, even what cases that have piqued your

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interest over the years. I mean, you know, I

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don't, you know, I was born in 1979 and I definitely

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grew up with like ET and, you know, some similar

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explorers or that might be a deep cut for people.

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I remember that. That was brilliant. Yeah. I

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was born in 77. OK, right on. Yeah. Flight of

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the Navigator. You know, I was just like, wow,

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this is these are cool. But then Fire in the

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Sky came out and I thought that was still one

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of my favorite moves. I mean, it's just it still

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holds up to this day. I watched it very recently

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and I was still blown away by how they told that

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story. Again, they took something fantastical

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and grounded it. And that's really hard to do.

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And that story, that film in particular, yeah,

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it really stuck with me. I've always been fascinated

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by that. And then once the X -Files came out,

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I was all into that. For sure like a lot of people

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for sure the x -files. I know it's TV show but

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and then other movies have come out You know

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arrival. I really like arrival for how it Filters

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the topic again in a grounded way about you know

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communication with ET what what that would look

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like and Oh God, now I'm trying to think really

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hard. What else? I mean, those are a few. I'm

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sure those are choices a lot of people would

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make. I will say I was disappointed by Disclosure

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Day. I know that was a big one people were excited

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for. I particularly just did not like the movie

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at all. I enjoyed what the topic's about, but

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I thought the movie was horrible. And I'm a huge

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Spielberg man. I think he's the greatest American

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film director ever. maybe behind, well, that's

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another discussion, another podcast. But yeah,

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I think it's also ripe now for some new films

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to come out as well to sort of inspire the next

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generation. Yeah, I agree. And all those films

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that you've covered off, I wholeheartedly agree.

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Fire in the Sky was incredible. Like The Navigator.

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as well there's a lot of people that will not

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have been and I think now if if not more than

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ever that seems to be almost could be taken as

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a real a real thing now like the the type of

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I'd say the skin on the the ufo was like melted

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mounted or metal liquid metal I think it's probably

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quite realistic in terms of what people see I

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really enjoyed that film myself It is a kid's

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film. Moving on from that, how could you get

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into this project for Psyonix? Well, I mean,

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so I've heard about Psyonix last year, I want

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to say January 2025 when Sky Watcher came out.

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company called Sky Watcher with Jake Barber,

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and I heard the term psionics for the first time.

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I might have heard it before, I can't really

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remember, but that's when it really stuck with

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me. But the idea behind it I'd heard before of

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people being able to summon UFOs with, you know,

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your mind. And I'd actually been very adamant

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about never trying something like that because

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I just thought, well, I don't, I really think

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it's kind of bullshit, but I thought, well. If

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it's not, what am I, why would I open my mind

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up to some entity? I have no idea who it is,

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you know, to fry my brain, you know, whatever.

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I, you know, just didn't, just didn't whatever.

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And, but then I hooked up with this production

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company out of London called Alamo pictures.

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And they had a meeting with me just like to talk

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to me about UFOs in general, because they were

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interested in maybe making a UFO documentary.

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And I just happened to bring up psionics as something

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interesting, something new that was kind of people

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were talking about. And the person on the call

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who ended up being the director on psionics,

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our movie, Glenn Barden, based there in London

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said, oh, that, you know, Patrick, that sounds

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really interesting. Hey, what do you think about,

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you know, we make a documentary about you looking

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into psionics? How do you think about it? Well,

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then I had to think back. Well, shit, I've always

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said I won't try this. So I really had to think

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hard actually about it. So let me get back to

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you. And I thought, you know what? I'm gonna,

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I'm gonna weather this. I'm gonna, enough armchair

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quarterbacking. Let's get out in the field. Let's,

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let's go visit with a bunch of people who claim

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to have this ability and turns out other abilities.

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And let's see what it's all about. Let's stay

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open -minded. Let's get out there and. And just

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be a mirror. I just wanted to be a mirror. Reflect

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back what I saw. No agenda. No filter. And that's

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kind of how it started. It was a pretty quick

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elevator pitch. Patrick looks into psionics.

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Follow Patrick on his journey into psionics.

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It was a very easy sort of simple thing. We had

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a rough sketch of what the film was going to

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be. as you're filming the journey took on a life

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of its own and hopefully people agree we got

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this wonderful, you know, film afterwards. So

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you mentioned going into it with no agenda. Was

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there any moments during filming that you genuinely

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questioned your own assumptions? Because you

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said, right, just before they get the webs of

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bullshit. Did anything happen that made you go,

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this is real? I didn't cross the finish line

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like that, like you're saying. I didn't say,

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oh shit, this is real. I did have a few, oh shit,

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this is interesting. Maybe there is more to this

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than I thought. But I never crossed the finish

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line. And I did experience some things that I

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couldn't explain, but it's just that I couldn't

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explain it. So if I say, I couldn't explain it.

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And then I explain it. I just don't see how that

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works, right? People are like, I saw an unidentified

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flying object. It was alien. But wait a second.

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You just said it was unidentified. Like now you're

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explaining the thing you just said was unexplained.

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So I'm OK living in the land of I don't know.

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I pitch a flag there. I got a house. My mail

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gets delivered. Welcome to I don't know land.

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I'm OK with that till I find out. So but I definitely

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I definitely you know, it broadened my perspective

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of things. Like, I did go in thinking this is

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bullshit and I didn't leave thinking it's bullshit.

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I left thinking, you know what, maybe there is

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something to this, you know, I need to do more

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work, essentially. Yeah, I met so many wonderful

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people, you know, filming this, Tavares. So many

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wonderful people. So, you've got Salonix, but

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you've also got CE5. Now, I'm not entirely sure

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what the difference is. We've been out and we

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filmed a documentary about CE5. We took a paranormal

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investigator with us because he wanted to experience

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CE5. So we did some CE5 meditation and all this

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kind of stuff. How is that different to the way

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these guys do it with psionics? It's not. It's

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about the same. It's the same thing. In fact,

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in the film we'll say... People will say c5.

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It's I don't you know, we kind of find those

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terms Now somebody could get technical. It's

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a no no, you know semantic, you know No, it's

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this and that even if it has a different definition.

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That's not how people use it You know people

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use it as ce5 or heist. I've heard it called

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as well right like it's it's you know, it's it's

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it's the same thing now in the documentary we

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do have a a segment in the film where we go through

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the history of the term psionics, where it comes

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from, leading up basically from a science fiction

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author from the 1950s leading up to today, right?

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So we kind of take you through the journey of

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where psionics has gone and then blam, where

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it ends up in today's UFO culture. Have you experienced

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any sort of paranormal investigations? This is

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just a side note, and you'll become obvious why

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and why. Have you had any paranormal experiences

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in your life? You know, it's interesting because

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I guess when people say paranormal, they are

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inferring sort of ghost or something, but it

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may not mean that, right? I'm with you. That's

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why I ask. You know, so yes, I've definitely

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experienced again. I've experienced things I

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couldn't Explain before bedded, you know, I think

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everyone I know in my life has some sort of ghost

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story or so something in something moved I heard

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something, you know, whatever the thing may be

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even evil my father who is like is square as

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anybody RIP my dad Um, he, you know, he used

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to tell me this story. He grew up on a farm in

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Missouri and, um, their house was allegedly built

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over, you know, Indian land. And, uh, he used

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to tell me when they were kids, they would be

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down in the basement and they, well, nobody else

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was home. They could hear footsteps walking up

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top. And my, again, my dad is so, doesn't think

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anything about this sort of stuff. Um, and he

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just said, I don't know what it was. I'm just

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telling you what. we would just hear footsteps

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and nobody was home. So does that mean it was

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all Native Americans walking? I mean, I don't

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know. Right. But again, point is, yeah, I've

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I've I've definitely heard some things or seen

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some that, you know, and have known lots of people

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to tell me things that they've seen, which is

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quite extraordinary. Yeah. And with the guys

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that would do even doing the Psyonix when they

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had any kind of power, always different. just

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kind of this C5 stuff, this UFO stuff. Oh, no,

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no, no, no. Everyone I film with had a multitude

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of, you know, like a paranormal tool belt. They

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just had all kinds of things going on. They had

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other abilities. They could do this, they do

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this, they do that, you know. And we explore

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some of that in the film. But yeah, they've had

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all kinds of experiences. paranormal, supernatural,

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whatever, all kinds of different things. Yeah,

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a lot. I would say everybody. Yeah, the reason

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I say that is we over the years are doing the

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podcast. We've interviewed loads of people and

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there's always seems to be the people have UFO

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experience with you experiences or whatever experiences

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started off having our normal experiences when

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they were younger and it seems to have sort of

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escalated. But me and Ash, we do a talk where

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we discuss the parallels of paranormal investigations

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and uniform investigations whereby you you do

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the CE5 and you're calling out and you meditate

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you're asking them to show themselves and what

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not and it's the same with the paranormal it's

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we go into a darkened room me and my partner

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we would go into a room go is there anyone there

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can you let us know you're here and do just sort

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of we even set up like the saiyans or we'll put

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on crystals and and try to invoke some kind of

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spirit and I just wondered if you had been through

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that kind of journey yourself and you mentioned

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about the paranormal stuff in your family house

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and these other people the psionics people having

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other experiences so it's interesting that whilst

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they're seen as two separate things in the paranormal

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world paranormal people don't really go for the

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UFOs. UFOs don't really go from the paranormal.

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I think they're very well aligned and a lot of

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experiences have UFO and paranormal experiences

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sometimes at the same time. Now I wondered if

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that had come across with any of these psionics

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people that whilst they were talking and trying

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to summon UFOs, whether other phenomena was happening

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at the same time. I mean, yes. Yeah. Well, the

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thing is that I learned is that, one, every single

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person that I hung out with and asked them to

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demonstrate their ability had a different protocol

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or different methods of even getting it going.

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Two, they also each had an individual explanation

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for what they were seeing or what was happening.

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Right, so nobody said the same thing about one

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guy, you know one father and son I met with in

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the film out of Miami I went filmed in their

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backyard with them. They think it's God They

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think some sort of you know, whatever angels

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be something but it's it's biblical It's it's

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you know, they're they're Christian faith other

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people said it, you know, this one guy Carl Crusher

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out of Utah He said He thinks it's a manifestation

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of yourself, is what's coming up. Other people

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I spoke to thought it was extraterrestrial, right?

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Other people I spoke to said, don't say that

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word. It could be interdimensional. They were

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like, I don't know what it is, but something's

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happening. So there was all these different explanations.

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I mean, if I'm being honest, to me, spirits ghost.

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you know, aliens, UFO, like, it's all the same

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thing in the sense that they're just all unexplained

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things. So it's like food. Then underneath food,

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there's Korean food, Chinese food, American food.

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I just think it's all, you know, the phenomena,

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unexplained stuff that humanity's been dealing

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with for a long time, and it takes on different

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forms. And it could help explain the afterlife

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or life outside of earth, or life outside our

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time, or life outside our dimension, or life

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outside the parameters of what we think is earth,

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like crypto -terrestrials, right? So some beings

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that have been here hidden from us. But I think

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it's all related. What do you think UFOs are,

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or UAP, or whatever you want to call them? What

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do you think? I've got my own opinions. I'm not

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interested in you. I have no idea. They're unidentified,

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you know? I have no idea. I will say, you know,

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I cover this topic a lot, and it's a little discon...

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Like, I'm not interested in the unidentified

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or unexplained. I'm really not interested in

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that. What I'm interested in is the explained

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and identified. The stuff people have said, this

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is alien. We got alien craft, we got alien bodies.

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That's what I wanna see. Why am I looking at

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videos that people are going, we don't know what

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it is. But if one of the explanations of the

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video you're looking at could be it's a bird

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or a balloon, yes, it could also be alien, but

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if one of the possibilities is a balloon or a

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bird, that doesn't interest me. So. As fascinating

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as it is to see things that are unexplained or

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even hear a story of people, I love hearing people's

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experiences, to be honest. Part of my favorite

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thing in the topic is just real people telling

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their real stories. I really love that. But at

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the same time, again, what do I do with it going

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past that? So as great as unexplained things

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is, like, that's the whole point. It's unexplained.

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It's unidentified. Like, I have no idea. what

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it is, what I hope it could be is something that

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changes my view of my, you know, the view I have

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of what the grounded reality is. So aliens or

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extraterrestrial, that sounds awesome. Yes, I

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do believe we're not alone in the universe just

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by probability, but it would be pretty cool to

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have that for certain and to cross that finish

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line for certain. And, you know, the whole world

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is aware of it and people are studying it and

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this, that. Yeah. I mean, I just what a cool

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world to live in. Do you think the general public

00:23:06.799 --> 00:23:11.670
could handle disclosure in terms of Trump Anzal

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says we know what it is. If aliens had been here

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for thousands of years, they're actually the

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apex predator on Earth, as essentially they would

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be. I don't know whether there'd be a predator

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there. I mean, if they were. would probably know

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by now. Do you think the general public would

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be up for hearing that? Or do you think it would,

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like everybody suggests? There'd be global meltdown,

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there'd be chaos everywhere. I'm pretty sure

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people could handle it, just they'd come out

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and said UFOs are real, just years ago, and everybody's

00:23:48.890 --> 00:23:51.029
gone, yeah, fair enough. We've got more important

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things going on in the world right now than aliens.

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It's just... Please think we could hand in the

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drink. Happy. Yeah, I mean, it's it's very nuanced.

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So I would say ideally, you know, it depends

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what disclosure looks like. It depends how disruptive

00:24:17.089 --> 00:24:20.750
it is in your daily life. If it's just an announcement

00:24:20.750 --> 00:24:24.029
on the news and you're looking outside, nothing's

00:24:24.029 --> 00:24:25.990
really changed. You know, you're like, OK, well,

00:24:25.990 --> 00:24:29.309
I got to keep going. But that's cool. But if

00:24:29.309 --> 00:24:31.710
it's like, if part of the announcement of the

00:24:31.710 --> 00:24:33.970
speech from Trump is, we've not alone on this

00:24:33.970 --> 00:24:35.089
planet, you know, we've got all these people,

00:24:35.410 --> 00:24:37.890
they're abducting people left and right. Watch

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out for yourselves when you go outside and, you

00:24:40.789 --> 00:24:43.890
know, you see spaceships shooting laser beams

00:24:43.890 --> 00:24:47.430
at you. That's a different story. That's again,

00:24:47.569 --> 00:24:51.089
it's how disruptive is it for my daily life?

00:24:52.190 --> 00:24:55.930
But the second thing I would say, and I think

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COVID's I hate to say, you know, I'm not bringing

00:24:58.220 --> 00:25:00.579
up conspiracy. That's not why I bring up COVID.

00:25:00.980 --> 00:25:04.440
But how the world responded to COVID, a pretty

00:25:04.440 --> 00:25:07.700
good indication of if there was something disrupted

00:25:07.700 --> 00:25:11.180
and we had to deal with it as a planet, it would

00:25:11.180 --> 00:25:14.660
not go well. We couldn't even handle toilet paper.

00:25:14.740 --> 00:25:18.559
I remember where I live in Austin. So I don't

00:25:18.559 --> 00:25:21.119
know. I worry about humanity. But at the same

00:25:21.119 --> 00:25:22.839
time, I have faith in humanity because at the

00:25:22.839 --> 00:25:25.789
end of the day, we did get through it. So to

00:25:25.789 --> 00:25:27.569
be fair, we did get through it where there's

00:25:27.569 --> 00:25:31.410
some rough patches, yes. But I don't, with all

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that said, I don't think it really matters because

00:25:36.039 --> 00:25:40.240
no entity on earth should be allowed to keep

00:25:41.039 --> 00:25:45.319
a reality -breaking truth from the rest of humanity.

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So it doesn't matter how the world reacts to

00:25:48.339 --> 00:25:51.319
it. We deserve to know. If we perish, that's

00:25:51.319 --> 00:25:54.160
just how it goes. If we survive and implement,

00:25:54.599 --> 00:25:59.329
then that's how it goes. Freedom is dirty. It's

00:25:59.329 --> 00:26:02.349
going to be a messy thing. But that's OK. At

00:26:02.349 --> 00:26:04.509
the end of the day, that's better than people

00:26:04.509 --> 00:26:06.869
trying to control for you what would be better,

00:26:06.950 --> 00:26:09.470
this or that. That's just a slippery slope. And

00:26:09.470 --> 00:26:12.589
where does that go? It doesn't matter if humanity

00:26:12.589 --> 00:26:15.609
could handle it or not. It really just doesn't

00:26:15.609 --> 00:26:17.890
matter. We deserve to know. And if we can't handle

00:26:17.890 --> 00:26:20.730
it, we'll find out. And if we can't handle it,

00:26:21.799 --> 00:26:25.529
great. I'm with you on the sense that I think

00:26:25.529 --> 00:26:30.579
we'd be fine. I think we would. Because I don't

00:26:30.579 --> 00:26:33.839
think it's not adversarial tech, so they can't

00:26:33.839 --> 00:26:36.960
blame, so the Western governments can't blame

00:26:36.960 --> 00:26:40.279
China or Russia, because if it was their tech,

00:26:40.460 --> 00:26:43.720
they would have used it. They would have shut

00:26:43.720 --> 00:26:47.039
down the nukes, and they rather than just switching

00:26:47.039 --> 00:26:50.660
them off, or they would be taking out our infrastructure

00:26:50.660 --> 00:26:53.279
because the state of the world at the moment,

00:26:53.279 --> 00:26:58.069
I don't think... those loose cannons and these

00:26:58.069 --> 00:27:00.750
bad agents that are out there at the moment.

00:27:06.150 --> 00:27:09.930
I don't think it's China or Russia or any of

00:27:09.930 --> 00:27:14.029
those, Korean or anyone like that. I do think

00:27:14.029 --> 00:27:16.869
it's advanced tech, probably stuff we know about,

00:27:17.009 --> 00:27:20.930
stuff we don't know about. But I think the world

00:27:20.930 --> 00:27:24.750
can handle it, like you said. Even COVID, we

00:27:24.750 --> 00:27:27.380
got through it after about... two or three months,

00:27:27.599 --> 00:27:30.920
no toilet paper, no pasta, no rice in the shop.

00:27:32.609 --> 00:27:34.769
You certainly know which products people don't

00:27:34.769 --> 00:27:38.559
like because they were still on the shelf. We

00:27:38.559 --> 00:27:41.119
all did come together. Once we got over the gas

00:27:41.119 --> 00:27:44.390
masks walking around the supermarket. It was

00:27:44.390 --> 00:27:48.559
a wild time. It became the norm and everybody

00:27:48.559 --> 00:27:51.759
was cool with it. I say cool, I'm not, we weren't

00:27:51.759 --> 00:27:55.240
cool with it, but it became part of daily life

00:27:55.240 --> 00:28:01.240
and it was what it was. I think the fact that

00:28:01.069 --> 00:28:03.289
If they come out and say that aliens are real,

00:28:04.660 --> 00:28:08.640
you would touch on the main point for me is that

00:28:08.640 --> 00:28:13.759
at what point then do they say that they are

00:28:13.759 --> 00:28:16.559
taking people as well? They are abducting people.

00:28:17.019 --> 00:28:19.220
You won't even know it half the time. You'll

00:28:19.220 --> 00:28:22.299
just end up in your bed. You'll be taken in your

00:28:22.299 --> 00:28:25.440
sleep. You might wake up. We've told you sleep

00:28:25.440 --> 00:28:29.960
paralysis for years. It's experiments. We've

00:28:29.960 --> 00:28:31.819
had to do deals with them. They don't deploy

00:28:31.819 --> 00:28:34.069
us. whatever it might be it could be as wild

00:28:34.069 --> 00:28:37.569
as that and actually you can take one percent

00:28:37.569 --> 00:28:40.230
of the population if you just leave everybody

00:28:40.230 --> 00:28:45.519
else fine um so i think it it opens a map it

00:28:45.519 --> 00:28:50.000
can so i think disclosure will never fully happen

00:28:50.000 --> 00:28:53.279
because there's a long stretch from saying those

00:28:53.279 --> 00:28:57.420
things in the sky are aliens they're taking people

00:28:57.420 --> 00:29:02.200
and then paranormal there are places like skinwalker

00:29:02.200 --> 00:29:05.799
roger's uncle have all this phenomena happening

00:29:05.799 --> 00:29:11.029
at the same time UFOs or ghost activity and then

00:29:11.029 --> 00:29:14.710
to the government Allah and it's it's just a

00:29:14.710 --> 00:29:19.299
wild wild concept disclosure that whilst i think

00:29:19.299 --> 00:29:21.140
it will happen i think it'll be the nuts and

00:29:21.140 --> 00:29:23.099
bolts stuff everything else they'll just blame

00:29:23.420 --> 00:29:28.910
on drunk or making weed or or drugs or whatever

00:29:28.910 --> 00:29:32.960
i think it's then there's going to be levels

00:29:32.960 --> 00:29:34.740
of disclosure and i think we're only going to

00:29:34.740 --> 00:29:38.069
get The minimum they need to tell us is what

00:29:38.069 --> 00:29:42.410
they'll give away with. Sorry, I went off on

00:29:42.410 --> 00:29:44.670
there. No, please, I'm listening. That's all

00:29:44.670 --> 00:29:48.190
good. So many researchers talking about UFOs

00:29:48.190 --> 00:29:51.109
eventually lead it to everything being called

00:29:51.109 --> 00:29:55.990
high strangeness. When making a film, did it

00:29:55.990 --> 00:29:58.549
take you to anywhere that you weren't expecting

00:29:58.549 --> 00:30:02.609
in terms of content, experiences, experiences?

00:30:03.869 --> 00:30:06.250
Did you go down any routes that you were not?

00:30:06.700 --> 00:30:11.180
I'm not expecting that at all. Yeah, that's actually

00:30:11.180 --> 00:30:16.599
a great question. Yes, yes, yes. You know, I

00:30:16.599 --> 00:30:23.619
ended up trying remote viewing, specifically

00:30:23.619 --> 00:30:29.950
spoon bending, some other, what I had, what was

00:30:29.950 --> 00:30:33.250
described to me as a Jedi training day by this

00:30:33.250 --> 00:30:36.390
woman named Zenka Caro out of Sedona, Arizona.

00:30:36.569 --> 00:30:40.369
Shout out to Zenka. great woman, she was like,

00:30:40.529 --> 00:30:44.779
Patrick, before we do some sky watching, as they

00:30:44.779 --> 00:30:46.859
call it, right, before we go out and try psionics,

00:30:47.240 --> 00:30:50.099
I need to get a sense of what your abilities

00:30:50.099 --> 00:30:54.750
are. So I spent a whole day with her before we

00:30:54.750 --> 00:30:58.289
went out, you know, at night to do the psionics.

00:30:58.869 --> 00:31:03.789
And during that, she put me through all kinds

00:31:03.789 --> 00:31:07.119
of different... things to sort of test my abilities

00:31:07.119 --> 00:31:09.240
and skills. And that was actually a lot of fun

00:31:09.240 --> 00:31:14.339
and interesting. And the next thing I would say

00:31:14.339 --> 00:31:17.759
is, you know, I went out to try to, you know,

00:31:18.430 --> 00:31:22.059
experience psionics with people. But and I saw

00:31:22.059 --> 00:31:23.759
a couple of things in the sky that I couldn't

00:31:23.759 --> 00:31:26.299
explain in one particular that I talk about in

00:31:26.299 --> 00:31:28.740
the film and everything. But one thing that did

00:31:28.740 --> 00:31:33.019
surprise me. I wasn't expecting is I was on the

00:31:33.019 --> 00:31:36.980
Anastasi Trail. It's in Utah in the Mojave Desert,

00:31:37.440 --> 00:31:42.990
just on the edge of the Mojave Desert. And Carl

00:31:42.990 --> 00:31:45.950
Crusher from Utah. Shout out to Carl. He took

00:31:45.950 --> 00:31:49.470
me and Gino. Gino was from The Y -Files. It's

00:31:49.470 --> 00:31:53.509
a show on YouTube. He was with me for a good

00:31:53.509 --> 00:31:55.769
chunk of the film, and he's also an associate

00:31:55.769 --> 00:31:59.019
producer on the film. So Gina and I were out

00:31:59.019 --> 00:32:03.799
there with Carl and we came across something

00:32:03.799 --> 00:32:09.059
that Carl, you know, described as what he deemed

00:32:09.059 --> 00:32:12.200
the shaman seat. And there was essentially this

00:32:12.200 --> 00:32:17.180
rock little area that you could sit on. And I

00:32:17.180 --> 00:32:18.880
guess so many people had sat on it, kind of had

00:32:18.880 --> 00:32:21.740
the indention of like a chair that you could

00:32:21.740 --> 00:32:24.960
sit on. And it was on this cliff face like overlooking

00:32:24.960 --> 00:32:28.460
this whole mesa. And it was beautiful. and he

00:32:28.460 --> 00:32:30.819
said, you know, people sit here and sort of meditate

00:32:30.819 --> 00:32:33.980
and, you know, see what happens, right? And he

00:32:33.980 --> 00:32:35.599
said, why don't you try psionics right here,

00:32:35.960 --> 00:32:37.980
right? We'll leave you, we'll set up the camera,

00:32:38.279 --> 00:32:41.180
we'll, Gino and I'll leave, Carl said that, and

00:32:41.180 --> 00:32:45.019
just see what happens. So I did that, and I,

00:32:45.019 --> 00:32:46.700
you know, opened my eye, kind of look around,

00:32:46.859 --> 00:32:49.799
I didn't see anything in the sky, like that I'd

00:32:49.799 --> 00:32:52.160
summoned anything, but what struck me as odd

00:32:52.160 --> 00:32:55.470
is, I did feel something in my body that was

00:32:55.470 --> 00:32:58.369
quite unusual that I never really felt before.

00:32:58.450 --> 00:33:01.130
And I describe it in the film and I just wasn't

00:33:01.130 --> 00:33:03.109
expecting that. I mean, that's exactly the question

00:33:03.109 --> 00:33:05.910
you're asking, right? Like I just, I went in

00:33:05.910 --> 00:33:07.970
to try to summon UFOs. The next thing you know,

00:33:08.069 --> 00:33:09.890
I'm feeling something here. I'm just like, whoa,

00:33:09.930 --> 00:33:15.259
this is, this is really strange. So, but again,

00:33:15.279 --> 00:33:18.140
I don't know. I don't know what was going on,

00:33:18.140 --> 00:33:22.309
but it was different. And it was something I

00:33:22.309 --> 00:33:27.880
wasn't expecting. And, you know, it stuck with

00:33:27.880 --> 00:33:30.519
me in the sense that I'll always remember that,

00:33:30.519 --> 00:33:34.829
you know, that experience for sure. That's really

00:33:34.829 --> 00:33:36.910
cool. That's really cool. I like the fact that

00:33:36.910 --> 00:33:43.640
you, where you talk about the unexplained side

00:33:43.640 --> 00:33:47.200
of it. We go out and we do panel investigations.

00:33:47.420 --> 00:33:50.660
We go out into haunted woods or woods in the

00:33:50.660 --> 00:33:56.319
UK where they've had. UFOs, quick -tiered sightings

00:33:56.319 --> 00:34:02.160
and we get weird stuff. One part of anything

00:34:02.160 --> 00:34:05.660
where we claim it's anything or like that was

00:34:05.660 --> 00:34:09.360
weird, that was unexplained, I can't explain

00:34:09.360 --> 00:34:15.099
what it was and we believe it at that and I think

00:34:15.099 --> 00:34:18.480
that's quite healthy because as soon as you start

00:34:18.480 --> 00:34:21.199
to go well actually it could be it, it could

00:34:21.199 --> 00:34:24.630
be this. You could literally be, send yourself

00:34:24.630 --> 00:34:28.789
crazy. Um, trying to understand what it could

00:34:28.789 --> 00:34:31.650
be when you're better off not knowing to a certain

00:34:31.650 --> 00:34:34.610
extent and accepting that there's just stuff

00:34:34.610 --> 00:34:38.469
out there that we don't know. Nobody knows this

00:34:38.469 --> 00:34:44.789
whole thing. Science doesn't really know there's

00:34:44.789 --> 00:34:48.900
no scientific sort of way of doing all this stuff.

00:34:49.360 --> 00:34:52.000
We try and control stuff. Like with the CE5,

00:34:52.099 --> 00:34:57.110
you're doing a set process to try and summon

00:34:57.110 --> 00:34:59.329
whatever it may be. And it could be anything,

00:34:59.469 --> 00:35:02.030
but we know, like you said, it literally could

00:35:02.030 --> 00:35:07.010
be aliens, but it could be a God. They mentioned

00:35:07.010 --> 00:35:09.889
that some of the people boy was God. We've spoken

00:35:09.889 --> 00:35:13.250
to people, spoken to a demonologist who believed

00:35:13.250 --> 00:35:17.650
that fallen angels were the gray aliens and that

00:35:17.550 --> 00:35:21.989
everything's just all combined. Yeah, I've heard

00:35:21.989 --> 00:35:28.260
that too. Yeah, in the UK, we have a very unique

00:35:29.510 --> 00:35:33.550
landscape, where we've got beaches, we've got

00:35:33.550 --> 00:35:36.969
mountains, all within about half an hour. It's

00:35:36.969 --> 00:35:41.519
raining. But we have a fascinating amount of

00:35:41.519 --> 00:35:49.219
UFO reports. And it's just fascinating that people

00:35:49.219 --> 00:35:54.369
see stuff. When you saw the unexplained things,

00:35:54.369 --> 00:35:57.170
how did that make you feel? Did it change you

00:35:57.170 --> 00:36:01.210
in any way? Did you think there may be something

00:36:01.210 --> 00:36:06.989
out there? Yeah, definitely. I definitely did.

00:36:08.010 --> 00:36:13.670
What I can cross the finish line on saying is

00:36:14.690 --> 00:36:18.150
there's weird shit that happens. And it's like,

00:36:18.170 --> 00:36:21.949
what is that? I don't know. Could it be something

00:36:21.949 --> 00:36:26.079
very prosaic? totally explainable by science

00:36:26.079 --> 00:36:31.730
and whatever. Yes, but I don't know if that's

00:36:31.730 --> 00:36:34.510
the answer. So I'm not gonna try to put that

00:36:34.510 --> 00:36:37.050
as the answer. Again, like you said, I just leave

00:36:37.050 --> 00:36:40.150
it as there's some weird shit that's happened

00:36:40.150 --> 00:36:45.789
and it's not just me saying that. This is going

00:36:45.789 --> 00:36:50.769
back millennia and stories through oldest time.

00:36:50.949 --> 00:36:54.230
of all kinds of interesting things happening

00:36:54.230 --> 00:36:58.210
to people across so many cultures and classes

00:36:58.210 --> 00:37:02.449
of people and religions and, you know, languages

00:37:02.449 --> 00:37:05.469
and, right, just all this, it's like, is everybody

00:37:05.469 --> 00:37:10.150
just lying and making shit up? No. No. Do people

00:37:10.150 --> 00:37:13.750
do that? Yes. I've met a lot of people. My saying,

00:37:13.949 --> 00:37:16.510
unbedded, my slogan is, I want to believe, not

00:37:16.510 --> 00:37:22.320
be deceived. I can't stand. when people want

00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:27.380
to outright deceive you on something unexplainable.

00:37:27.480 --> 00:37:30.280
That really pisses me off because I think there

00:37:30.280 --> 00:37:34.030
is something unexplained going on. Could be,

00:37:34.150 --> 00:37:36.769
it's probably a multitude of answers, which is

00:37:36.769 --> 00:37:39.409
why the kind of work you do is pretty cool, kind

00:37:39.409 --> 00:37:44.110
of important too, you know. And I wanna know

00:37:44.110 --> 00:37:47.769
that, I wanna know that for real. And having

00:37:47.769 --> 00:37:51.510
people throw more hay on the haystack so that

00:37:51.510 --> 00:37:55.389
I can't find the needle is like, dude, I mean,

00:37:55.409 --> 00:37:57.449
it'd be like just scooping through the haystack.

00:37:57.570 --> 00:37:58.769
You're looking for the needle and there's just

00:37:58.769 --> 00:38:00.530
a couple of dudes on each side just throw more

00:38:00.530 --> 00:38:04.539
hay in and you're like, just let me in here.

00:38:05.820 --> 00:38:09.599
But yeah, that definitely is things that just

00:38:09.599 --> 00:38:13.380
can't be explained. And again, I'm as skeptical

00:38:13.380 --> 00:38:16.199
as anybody. I get accused of that all the time.

00:38:16.219 --> 00:38:19.269
I am, I'm very skeptical. I need a lot. I need

00:38:19.269 --> 00:38:22.670
a huge burden of proof to get past something

00:38:22.670 --> 00:38:25.809
that breaks my reality. It can't just be a cool

00:38:25.809 --> 00:38:30.550
story. I heard a guy on TV say something. You

00:38:30.550 --> 00:38:34.269
want me to change my whole view of reality on

00:38:34.269 --> 00:38:36.530
that? No, no, no. I need more. That way, when

00:38:36.530 --> 00:38:39.750
I do cross the finish line, it's gonna be a celebration

00:38:39.750 --> 00:38:44.190
for me. But I know people, just normal people

00:38:44.190 --> 00:38:49.849
in my life who... again, aren't really into anything

00:38:49.849 --> 00:38:52.670
paranormal or fantastic or supernatural, who

00:38:52.670 --> 00:38:54.849
have had crazy experiences. I just think it's

00:38:54.849 --> 00:38:59.349
something very common that like the emotion of

00:38:59.349 --> 00:39:02.969
love or laughter is sort of a universal language

00:39:02.969 --> 00:39:06.429
across the globe. I also think unexplained events

00:39:06.429 --> 00:39:09.269
is this universal language across the globe.

00:39:09.550 --> 00:39:12.030
It doesn't matter how rich you are, how poor

00:39:12.030 --> 00:39:15.230
you are, what you have, what you believe in,

00:39:15.230 --> 00:39:18.889
what you don't believe in. Shit happens. What

00:39:18.889 --> 00:39:22.349
is that shit? I want to know so it's I'm fascinated

00:39:22.349 --> 00:39:28.179
by it It's wild out there I know a lot of people

00:39:28.179 --> 00:39:30.360
and you you touched on it when you said about

00:39:30.360 --> 00:39:34.250
the family Yeah, there's a lot of people when

00:39:34.250 --> 00:39:37.210
I speak to about what I do and we get ghost in

00:39:37.210 --> 00:39:42.090
the weekend. We're in two circles Locally those

00:39:42.090 --> 00:39:45.980
two pops up. We're in there find live streaming

00:39:45.980 --> 00:39:49.000
from this cop circle trying to show people what

00:39:49.000 --> 00:39:52.460
we do and weird shit we can't see and then there's

00:39:52.460 --> 00:39:55.139
other people just sit on their on their couch

00:39:55.139 --> 00:39:59.219
in their sort of lounge area of the house just

00:39:59.219 --> 00:40:01.960
watching the tv just doing their in their lane

00:40:01.960 --> 00:40:05.570
and that's cool when you say to somebody i'm

00:40:05.570 --> 00:40:08.889
into the paranormal i into ufos they'll go i

00:40:08.889 --> 00:40:11.250
don't believe that nonsense don't believe that

00:40:11.250 --> 00:40:15.800
but then When you go okay fair enough they gave

00:40:15.800 --> 00:40:20.539
I did have this weird experience once or My now

00:40:20.539 --> 00:40:24.460
saw a ghost or my uncle said he saw a weird shadow

00:40:24.460 --> 00:40:29.150
figure Everybody has got a story Even though

00:40:29.150 --> 00:40:31.349
they don't believe in it. I've got a Jai where

00:40:31.349 --> 00:40:33.809
I work and he said I absolutely don't believe

00:40:33.809 --> 00:40:38.530
in it Craig He said come and show me some conclusive

00:40:38.530 --> 00:40:40.670
evidence. I said well I can't give you conclusive

00:40:40.670 --> 00:40:45.250
evidence because no But I can show you stuff

00:40:45.250 --> 00:40:47.949
that's happened. I said, I've got stuff moving

00:40:47.949 --> 00:40:51.750
in front of me. I can't explain. I've got weird

00:40:51.750 --> 00:40:54.690
noises, voices, all sorts of stuff happening.

00:40:55.949 --> 00:40:58.670
He goes, but I did have this one experience that

00:40:58.670 --> 00:41:02.090
I can't explain. You just said you don't believe

00:41:02.090 --> 00:41:04.610
in it. He goes, I don't. I don't believe in ghosts.

00:41:04.969 --> 00:41:07.030
I don't believe in all that. I did have this

00:41:07.030 --> 00:41:09.090
weird experience. I can't explain where this

00:41:09.090 --> 00:41:12.590
weird shadow moved. I was like, do you realize

00:41:12.590 --> 00:41:16.300
how contradictory you sound but you don't believe

00:41:16.300 --> 00:41:18.320
in it but you've seen something you can't explain

00:41:18.710 --> 00:41:24.809
so I do find that this the population that's

00:41:24.809 --> 00:41:27.309
got fascination in all things weird a lot of

00:41:27.309 --> 00:41:31.619
people are not open their minds to it we've been

00:41:31.619 --> 00:41:34.440
we've spoken to hundreds and hundreds of people

00:41:34.789 --> 00:41:38.510
and like you said people do try and bullshit

00:41:38.510 --> 00:41:42.230
we've had people bullshit us We've been that

00:41:42.230 --> 00:41:44.769
close to putting a podcast episode out. We need

00:41:44.769 --> 00:41:47.849
to sit on this for a bit longer. We need to delve

00:41:47.849 --> 00:41:51.150
into it. We need to do a bit of Google image

00:41:51.179 --> 00:41:55.219
searching, reverse image searching. We need to

00:41:55.219 --> 00:41:58.320
delve into this a bit further. And then we've

00:41:58.320 --> 00:42:01.960
ended up just not putting the podcast out because

00:42:01.960 --> 00:42:07.309
we don't want to be feasting people. But then

00:42:07.309 --> 00:42:11.690
we have people with the most outlandish story.

00:42:11.739 --> 00:42:14.480
This guy claimed he was taken by aliens every

00:42:14.480 --> 00:42:16.800
night, from our very stand at the campground

00:42:16.800 --> 00:42:19.469
every night. We were on a Zoom call with him,

00:42:19.690 --> 00:42:22.030
like, look at me and you are now. And you could

00:42:22.030 --> 00:42:27.530
see the anguish in his face. And I'm like, do

00:42:27.530 --> 00:42:32.429
I believe you? I think you believe what's happened

00:42:32.429 --> 00:42:35.369
to you is happening. So who am I? And I wasn't

00:42:35.369 --> 00:42:39.130
there. I don't know. Who am I to say that his

00:42:39.130 --> 00:42:43.429
experience is not real when she sat there? face

00:42:43.429 --> 00:42:47.090
to face with me, telling me this bizarre account

00:42:47.090 --> 00:42:52.190
of being taken every night. So I think it's difficult

00:42:52.190 --> 00:42:56.260
to weed out the people that are lying. People

00:42:56.260 --> 00:42:59.500
that believe what they're saying. They might

00:42:59.500 --> 00:43:01.500
be lying, but they believe what they're saying.

00:43:02.610 --> 00:43:05.889
They've gaslit themselves so much that they believed

00:43:05.889 --> 00:43:09.070
it. This weird shit is just happening to a lot

00:43:09.070 --> 00:43:13.289
of people. The real truth is somewhere in between

00:43:13.289 --> 00:43:15.809
that thing. I mean, weird stuff does happen,

00:43:16.269 --> 00:43:21.170
and to your friend that you were saying, not

00:43:21.170 --> 00:43:23.989
to push back on it, but I don't know if it's

00:43:23.989 --> 00:43:27.320
that contradictory what he's saying. I think

00:43:27.320 --> 00:43:31.039
this is what I would say. To me, it's easy to

00:43:31.039 --> 00:43:35.809
prove the unexplained. Yeah, there's things that

00:43:35.809 --> 00:43:37.070
happen, and we don't know where it is. Again,

00:43:37.289 --> 00:43:39.349
one of the explanations could be prosaic, but

00:43:39.349 --> 00:43:41.360
there's definitely things We don't know. Everything

00:43:41.360 --> 00:43:44.280
is not that you see with your own eyes, or we

00:43:44.280 --> 00:43:47.480
capture on video, or data is captured, can't

00:43:47.480 --> 00:43:50.679
be explained. But again, it doesn't mean it's

00:43:50.679 --> 00:43:53.340
something else. So to me, proving the unexplained

00:43:53.340 --> 00:43:57.440
is easy. It's explaining the unexplained that

00:43:57.440 --> 00:44:00.840
has yet to be done. So I can see how someone

00:44:00.840 --> 00:44:03.039
says, I don't believe in that, but I did have

00:44:03.039 --> 00:44:05.380
an experience I couldn't explain. But they're

00:44:05.380 --> 00:44:07.400
saying, I haven't crossed the finish line into

00:44:07.400 --> 00:44:12.440
this thing is real. Now, you know, that's what

00:44:12.440 --> 00:44:15.119
I think. I mean, I don't know. It's an interesting

00:44:15.119 --> 00:44:21.880
conversation. Yeah. To be fair, I think I just

00:44:21.880 --> 00:44:23.940
go into defensive mode. What do you mean you

00:44:23.940 --> 00:44:25.780
don't believe in the paranormal? Well, there's

00:44:25.780 --> 00:44:27.980
nothing wrong with that. I get it. You know,

00:44:28.099 --> 00:44:41.519
that's the... Trust me. Trust me. I get it. We

00:44:41.519 --> 00:44:45.440
have an armadillo out every weekend. We go into

00:44:45.440 --> 00:44:48.639
a haunted forest this weekend. We came in cross

00:44:48.639 --> 00:44:53.420
circles, hunting for ghosts. We try and see five.

00:44:53.639 --> 00:44:57.400
We do all this stuff. We go to haunted locations,

00:44:57.780 --> 00:45:02.860
filming. And I think, oh my God, people must

00:45:02.860 --> 00:45:05.239
think I'm a bird sheep place leader. Really must

00:45:05.239 --> 00:45:08.920
think I'm a fucking loser. Who cares? You're

00:45:08.920 --> 00:45:11.769
having adventures, right? Yeah. Hey, yeah, I

00:45:11.769 --> 00:45:14.900
had the wildest kind, had the wildest kind. So

00:45:14.900 --> 00:45:17.960
just going back to the documentary, sorry, we

00:45:17.960 --> 00:45:23.420
went off. This, I'll go. See by the police, as

00:45:23.420 --> 00:45:26.440
you mentioned, it's also called, and psionics

00:45:26.440 --> 00:45:30.679
now, ends to divide the UFO team. Well, we've

00:45:30.679 --> 00:45:34.369
got people that staunchly just give nuts and

00:45:34.369 --> 00:45:37.730
bolts. That's all it is. We see them, they see

00:45:37.730 --> 00:45:42.110
us. That's it. Why do you think the idea of sort

00:45:42.110 --> 00:45:46.980
of consciousness base generates those kind of

00:45:46.980 --> 00:45:49.880
reactions from other people in the UFO community?

00:45:52.409 --> 00:45:57.610
Sure, that's a good question You know, I don't

00:45:57.610 --> 00:45:59.670
know and you know I've always been fascinated

00:45:59.670 --> 00:46:03.170
by when I first came into the topic and I start

00:46:03.170 --> 00:46:06.010
you know learning all this new things I would

00:46:06.010 --> 00:46:09.920
see people be like Oh, you know, remote viewing

00:46:09.920 --> 00:46:13.119
or C5. This is such bullshit. And then they'd

00:46:13.119 --> 00:46:15.739
be like, so interdimensional time traveling beings.

00:46:16.159 --> 00:46:19.019
And I'm like, wait a second, that's OK. That

00:46:19.019 --> 00:46:22.159
sounds not crazy to you, but this sounds crazy

00:46:22.159 --> 00:46:25.320
to you. I mean, it's all crazy. And I mean, crazy,

00:46:25.380 --> 00:46:28.800
not in a bad way. Like, it all sounds nuts. But

00:46:28.960 --> 00:46:31.960
why is one more nuts than the other? I've never

00:46:31.960 --> 00:46:35.739
understood that. You know, we don't. If anything,

00:46:35.780 --> 00:46:39.670
I could argue. You know the idea of c5 or sonic

00:46:39.670 --> 00:46:42.969
sounds more reasonable in the sense that we all

00:46:42.969 --> 00:46:46.130
have a mind We all have consciousness and we

00:46:46.130 --> 00:46:48.789
don't know what that is science cannot explain

00:46:48.789 --> 00:46:52.619
the mind or consciousness so You know, maybe

00:46:52.619 --> 00:46:55.949
there's something there, you know, like I just

00:46:55.949 --> 00:46:59.949
I find that Fascinating. So yeah, you know, I

00:46:59.949 --> 00:47:03.500
don't know why people will turn down one thing

00:47:03.500 --> 00:47:06.519
over another. Now I can see why people don't

00:47:06.519 --> 00:47:08.800
believe a certain witness or a certain case,

00:47:09.539 --> 00:47:14.260
but the idea, I think dismissing an idea is interesting.

00:47:14.360 --> 00:47:16.360
Again, I'm super skeptical, but I don't dismiss

00:47:16.360 --> 00:47:21.079
things. I'm open -minded. I just have a high

00:47:21.079 --> 00:47:25.039
bar for belief. And in fact, I don't even look

00:47:25.039 --> 00:47:28.480
at it as belief. It will be believed. I don't

00:47:28.480 --> 00:47:30.750
need... Nobody asked, do you believe in the sun?

00:47:32.110 --> 00:47:35.909
No, it's not a question of belief, it's true.

00:47:37.070 --> 00:47:39.230
That's what I want the phenomena to be, it's

00:47:39.230 --> 00:47:41.530
just a question of truth, you don't have to believe

00:47:41.530 --> 00:47:46.010
in it. I think belief is before we get, quote,

00:47:46.269 --> 00:47:49.409
disclosure. And I think those conversations are

00:47:49.409 --> 00:47:54.730
fine, I think they're interesting. It's just

00:47:54.730 --> 00:47:57.570
such a hard balance, just life in general, but

00:47:57.570 --> 00:48:00.210
in this and the topic that you deal with and

00:48:00.210 --> 00:48:02.170
the topic I deal with, and again, I think they're

00:48:02.170 --> 00:48:03.650
all connected, you know, what you do and what

00:48:03.650 --> 00:48:06.989
I do, and I think it's tough to keep a balance

00:48:06.989 --> 00:48:10.349
of being open -minded about some ideas that maybe

00:48:10.349 --> 00:48:13.800
you've never thought, but at the same time, you

00:48:13.800 --> 00:48:16.920
know, making sure your head isn't, you're not

00:48:16.920 --> 00:48:19.239
so open -minded that your head falls out, right?

00:48:19.280 --> 00:48:22.380
You wanna be grounded in some way as well, and

00:48:22.380 --> 00:48:24.599
that's a high -wire act for anybody. It's not

00:48:24.599 --> 00:48:28.300
easy for anybody. And we're all... it's mountains

00:48:28.300 --> 00:48:30.500
and valleys on this journey. So we're all at

00:48:30.500 --> 00:48:33.920
different points. We've all taken in information

00:48:33.920 --> 00:48:36.320
differently than someone else and blah, blah,

00:48:36.500 --> 00:48:40.699
blah. I just try to be sympathetic to people

00:48:40.699 --> 00:48:46.300
and empathetic and listen as much as I can. Like

00:48:46.300 --> 00:48:48.860
the one interview you said, you were talking

00:48:48.860 --> 00:48:51.159
with a guy who had been abducted a lot and you

00:48:51.159 --> 00:48:53.519
could see the angle showing his face. And you

00:48:53.519 --> 00:48:55.539
say, well, is he telling the truth or not? It's

00:48:55.539 --> 00:48:57.519
like, that's not probably willing to know that.

00:48:57.639 --> 00:49:00.219
You know, like, he, it seems like he believes

00:49:00.219 --> 00:49:03.039
what happened and that's it. It just stays there.

00:49:03.239 --> 00:49:06.960
It just like nothing else I can do. It's really,

00:49:07.139 --> 00:49:09.719
if you, if you want people to believe your story,

00:49:10.199 --> 00:49:12.659
you got to provide proof. The onus is on you.

00:49:12.780 --> 00:49:14.420
You're the one making the claim. You're the one

00:49:14.420 --> 00:49:17.380
telling the story. That's not my job to prove

00:49:17.380 --> 00:49:20.320
your story. That's on you. But with that said,

00:49:20.320 --> 00:49:22.360
if you don't provide any proof, whatever. I'm

00:49:22.360 --> 00:49:25.079
okay to listen and take it in and it's data point

00:49:25.079 --> 00:49:29.420
and it can be interesting and you know I yeah

00:49:29.420 --> 00:49:32.710
I think just again I I wish more people lived

00:49:32.710 --> 00:49:35.829
in the land of I don't know with me I wish it

00:49:35.829 --> 00:49:38.250
was a set of such a solitary place sometimes

00:49:38.250 --> 00:49:41.840
uh people always try to get you to go one way

00:49:41.840 --> 00:49:44.699
or the other you know like come on tell me which

00:49:44.699 --> 00:49:49.360
is like oh man I don't you know we talked about

00:49:49.360 --> 00:49:52.420
disclosure and it was just thinking just then

00:49:52.420 --> 00:49:59.030
that disclosure for people like us. Disclosure

00:49:59.030 --> 00:50:01.929
doesn't matter, because we all believe that something

00:50:01.929 --> 00:50:05.550
weird is happening. Whatever it might be, it

00:50:05.550 --> 00:50:08.550
could be egg ends, it could be interdimensional

00:50:08.550 --> 00:50:11.630
beings, it could be future humans, it could be

00:50:11.630 --> 00:50:14.530
any of that, all of it, none of it, will have

00:50:14.530 --> 00:50:17.739
some. It doesn't matter to me, because I know

00:50:17.739 --> 00:50:20.019
there's some weird shit going on just from all

00:50:20.019 --> 00:50:24.210
this stuff. We were on nearly 400 episodes and

00:50:24.210 --> 00:50:30.260
we just, we interview the biggest spectrum of

00:50:30.260 --> 00:50:34.539
people across the globe. Yeah, yeah. If none

00:50:34.539 --> 00:50:37.699
of it's real, then how many, why have so many

00:50:37.699 --> 00:50:40.739
people got stories about your own abductions?

00:50:41.900 --> 00:50:45.800
The paranormal, Bigfoot plates. We've interviewed

00:50:45.800 --> 00:50:52.590
people who've been Bigfoot alongside dwarfs and

00:50:52.659 --> 00:50:55.579
all sorts of creatures though. really shouldn't

00:50:55.579 --> 00:51:00.179
be this but somewhere do possibly maybe not I

00:51:00.179 --> 00:51:02.199
don't know it's not for me to judge like you

00:51:02.199 --> 00:51:05.000
said does it matter that they can't provide much

00:51:05.000 --> 00:51:08.780
brief? no I like listening to the stories I like

00:51:08.780 --> 00:51:12.039
talking to people I like talking to people they're

00:51:12.039 --> 00:51:16.280
like -minded and it's just fascinating to meet

00:51:16.280 --> 00:51:22.269
people that have got an experience to tell so

00:51:22.559 --> 00:51:25.440
talking about the phenomena itself and what what

00:51:25.440 --> 00:51:27.820
these people are summoning, whether it's UFO,

00:51:27.960 --> 00:51:32.760
UAV, God, whatever. Do you think that the phenomena

00:51:32.760 --> 00:51:38.519
is responding to us? Or are we somehow now becoming

00:51:38.519 --> 00:51:47.210
aware of something that's always been? Well,

00:51:47.210 --> 00:51:54.440
I guess both possibilities are possible. Yeah,

00:51:54.440 --> 00:51:58.570
that's a tough one. I don't know. I've heard

00:51:58.570 --> 00:52:02.389
so many different things, and they all seem,

00:52:02.510 --> 00:52:04.889
to me, all possibilities are on the table till

00:52:04.889 --> 00:52:08.530
they're not. So I don't really know. I've kind

00:52:08.530 --> 00:52:10.710
of heard everything. I've never had such a personal

00:52:10.710 --> 00:52:14.070
experience that left me with such definitive

00:52:14.070 --> 00:52:15.829
answers that I hear from some people. I talk

00:52:15.829 --> 00:52:18.829
to so many people that, quote, have it figured

00:52:18.829 --> 00:52:22.170
out. No, no, it's this Patrick. This is it. That's

00:52:22.170 --> 00:52:25.019
the thing. This is what's going on. I communicate

00:52:25.019 --> 00:52:26.900
with them every night, and they're telling me

00:52:26.900 --> 00:52:30.969
this, and I don't know. It's like, I just don't

00:52:30.969 --> 00:52:33.530
think anyone has the answer, but I don't know.

00:52:34.210 --> 00:52:37.989
It's more like, what do I hope it is? More than

00:52:37.989 --> 00:52:43.210
anything. And I just hope, again, I know it's

00:52:43.210 --> 00:52:46.730
a messy thing, whatever, there starts to be this

00:52:46.730 --> 00:52:53.139
open interaction with whatever's going on. humanity

00:52:53.139 --> 00:53:00.210
makes it out alive from it. You know, a lion

00:53:00.210 --> 00:53:03.010
interacting with the butterfly. It's not really

00:53:03.010 --> 00:53:05.369
going to attack that butterfly, but it could

00:53:05.369 --> 00:53:09.449
accidentally fucking step on it. And, you know,

00:53:09.730 --> 00:53:12.730
it's like it's not necessarily that the lion

00:53:12.730 --> 00:53:15.710
is a predator to that butterfly, but it's not

00:53:15.710 --> 00:53:19.190
also looking out to make sure it survives. You

00:53:19.190 --> 00:53:25.019
know, so. I just hope, you know, we've persevered

00:53:25.019 --> 00:53:29.679
this long on Earth and, you know, they say in

00:53:29.679 --> 00:53:33.659
history we were down to a few thousand and we're

00:53:33.659 --> 00:53:36.280
in the billions now, right? Like, I just hope

00:53:36.280 --> 00:53:40.059
we can, you know, persevere through, you know,

00:53:40.219 --> 00:53:45.630
whatever it is and if the whatever it is starts

00:53:45.630 --> 00:53:49.690
interacting with us that, you know, it can be

00:53:49.690 --> 00:53:55.579
beneficial for us too, not just for them. So

00:53:56.099 --> 00:53:59.579
if you were to walk away from psionics and watching

00:53:59.579 --> 00:54:01.880
a question, just one thing that they probably

00:54:01.880 --> 00:54:09.050
knew about UFOs or UAP would be, is there something

00:54:09.050 --> 00:54:12.389
that you would be going to take from the documentary?

00:54:14.019 --> 00:54:16.599
Yeah, that's a great question. Well, first I'm

00:54:16.599 --> 00:54:19.539
wearing my shirt. This is from the poster. So

00:54:19.539 --> 00:54:22.420
that's me. That's me right there summoning a

00:54:22.420 --> 00:54:26.489
UFO. Yes, so if you go to psionics .film, you

00:54:26.489 --> 00:54:28.530
can see it there exclusively. It is coming out

00:54:28.530 --> 00:54:30.750
on streaming in September, so it'll be available

00:54:30.750 --> 00:54:34.730
on Apple and wherever the fuck it goes for streaming.

00:54:35.030 --> 00:54:38.550
I can't remember, Amazon, all those places. But

00:54:38.550 --> 00:54:42.190
you can get it at the website. And yes, what

00:54:42.190 --> 00:54:46.670
I hope people take away from the film is wherever

00:54:46.670 --> 00:54:50.789
you sit on the topic. I actually think it's a

00:54:50.789 --> 00:54:52.610
great film to share with people who are very

00:54:52.610 --> 00:54:55.840
skeptical. about the thing. Now, this is bullshit.

00:54:56.039 --> 00:54:58.400
No, no, watch this guy. This guy just thinks

00:54:58.400 --> 00:54:59.960
just like, you know, he thinks it's bullshit,

00:55:00.059 --> 00:55:02.820
but just watch what happens. You know, I think

00:55:02.820 --> 00:55:06.179
just remain open to things we haven't figured

00:55:06.179 --> 00:55:08.599
out. If we say, well, we haven't figured that

00:55:08.599 --> 00:55:11.840
out, and then you go, it can't be possible, well,

00:55:11.960 --> 00:55:14.519
then you just figured it out. You just tried

00:55:14.519 --> 00:55:17.480
to figure it out, right? So it's gotta be both

00:55:17.480 --> 00:55:21.150
ways. You know, I wanna be fair. So that's where

00:55:21.150 --> 00:55:22.869
I hope people take away from the film to just

00:55:22.869 --> 00:55:25.869
be open -minded. And at the very least, go try

00:55:25.869 --> 00:55:28.369
it. This is something you can go try. That's

00:55:28.369 --> 00:55:31.570
what interests me about Psyonix, too, was you

00:55:31.570 --> 00:55:35.039
hear great UFO cases, events that have happened

00:55:35.039 --> 00:55:37.539
over the years, but guess what? I can't go see

00:55:37.539 --> 00:55:40.000
that UFO in a museum. I can't go see the bodies,

00:55:40.000 --> 00:55:42.179
they say, that got recovered in it. I can't see

00:55:42.179 --> 00:55:44.119
shit. I've been to Roswell. You go to Roswell,

00:55:44.159 --> 00:55:47.380
you see fucking dirt. I've been to Area 51. There's

00:55:47.380 --> 00:55:50.239
a big fucking military gate. You're not seeing

00:55:50.239 --> 00:55:52.719
anything, you know? But psionics, it's like,

00:55:52.800 --> 00:55:55.199
oh shit, you're saying I could go out to this

00:55:55.199 --> 00:55:58.099
thing and try to do the meditation, you know?

00:55:58.480 --> 00:56:00.960
Yeah, at the very least, you'll have some fun

00:56:00.960 --> 00:56:04.300
with your friends, and you'll probably have a

00:56:04.300 --> 00:56:06.280
bunch of conversations that night that'll just

00:56:06.280 --> 00:56:10.099
be very fulfilling philosophically, spiritually,

00:56:10.420 --> 00:56:14.019
emotionally for you. Maybe that's the win, right?

00:56:14.079 --> 00:56:17.460
So like, yeah, I just hope people remain open

00:56:17.460 --> 00:56:20.159
to it. whether you're skeptical or you already

00:56:20.159 --> 00:56:24.239
believe it, that you go try it for yourself.

00:56:26.329 --> 00:56:29.090
That's cool. I think, yeah, some of the best

00:56:29.090 --> 00:56:31.929
conversations I've ever had are out with like

00:56:31.929 --> 00:56:35.769
-minded people when we're discussing what could

00:56:35.769 --> 00:56:38.789
be, what couldn't be, what we think it is, what

00:56:38.789 --> 00:56:43.000
we think it isn't. And it just, it snowballs

00:56:43.000 --> 00:56:48.440
into existential conversation about the meaning

00:56:48.440 --> 00:56:53.619
of life. If I was to get taken, would I try and

00:56:53.619 --> 00:57:05.199
fight him? No, I didn't. Me too, bro. Me too.

00:57:05.400 --> 00:57:09.260
You mentioned that people can see this at Siamics

00:57:09.260 --> 00:57:12.920
.fil. We'll put a link up in there. I'll also

00:57:12.920 --> 00:57:15.280
put a link to the trailer as well, because the

00:57:15.280 --> 00:57:19.500
trailer's mad and I like that. Where can people

00:57:19.500 --> 00:57:23.809
find your YouTube podcast? Well, that kind of

00:57:23.809 --> 00:57:27.900
thing. Yeah, you just search vetted on YouTube.

00:57:27.980 --> 00:57:31.440
You'll find it. D .E .T .T .D. or you can go

00:57:31.440 --> 00:57:33.940
to our website. I'll lead you to everything vetted

00:57:33.940 --> 00:57:37.960
show. Really, really easy. I see people searching

00:57:37.960 --> 00:57:40.159
for us all the time. Yeah, you just search vetted.

00:57:40.400 --> 00:57:41.980
It'll it'll all come up. You just put in Google.

00:57:42.059 --> 00:57:45.360
It'll come up. And one thing about the film,

00:57:45.380 --> 00:57:47.619
if you if you purchase the film on our website,

00:57:48.159 --> 00:57:50.679
it's basically we're an independent production.

00:57:50.980 --> 00:57:53.500
You know, I mean, you get that like we're we're

00:57:53.409 --> 00:57:56.789
You know, we made this ourselves, you know, vetted

00:57:56.789 --> 00:58:00.969
in conjunction with Alamo Pictures. And, you

00:58:00.969 --> 00:58:02.369
know, again, I want to give a big shout out to

00:58:02.369 --> 00:58:05.360
Glenn Barden, who directed the film. It is my

00:58:05.360 --> 00:58:09.849
journey and I filmed most of it, but I didn't

00:58:09.849 --> 00:58:12.469
edit the film. I didn't direct it. I didn't do

00:58:12.469 --> 00:58:14.469
the sound or music or anything, you know. So

00:58:14.469 --> 00:58:16.250
I just want to give a shout out to the team that

00:58:16.250 --> 00:58:19.110
that brought the madness that I brought to them

00:58:19.110 --> 00:58:21.750
in video clips. And they somehow, you know, made

00:58:21.750 --> 00:58:26.250
something happen coherently. So, big shout out

00:58:26.250 --> 00:58:29.510
to them. But I will say, if you get the film

00:58:29.510 --> 00:58:32.510
on our website, saranx .film, we're actually

00:58:32.510 --> 00:58:35.949
offering, in addition to the film, you also get

00:58:35.949 --> 00:58:38.809
almost three hours of additional interviews that

00:58:38.809 --> 00:58:42.909
we didn't include in the film. So it's kind of

00:58:42.909 --> 00:58:46.869
an extra bonus that comes with it. Because when

00:58:46.869 --> 00:58:49.110
it comes out on streaming, it'll just be the

00:58:49.110 --> 00:58:52.050
film. So this is kind of an extra thing to sort

00:58:52.050 --> 00:58:56.539
of help. Thank you very much. I've really enjoyed

00:58:56.539 --> 00:58:58.860
the last hour Patrick. It's been fascinating.

00:58:59.000 --> 00:59:02.000
It's always great to meet new people, like -minded

00:59:02.000 --> 00:59:06.920
people and also documentary filmmakers, the people

00:59:06.920 --> 00:59:11.400
who go above and beyond the normal just going

00:59:11.400 --> 00:59:19.110
out and the passion comes across. Thank you very

00:59:19.110 --> 00:59:21.469
much and I really appreciate the time you've

00:59:21.469 --> 00:59:24.170
taken. We got there in the end, we got the interview

00:59:24.170 --> 00:59:26.590
sorted and I really do appreciate it. Thank you

00:59:26.590 --> 00:59:30.039
so much. Thank you, Greg. Thank you to the pursuit

00:59:30.039 --> 00:59:32.320
of the paranormal really appreciate you guys.

00:59:32.539 --> 00:59:35.480
And yeah, it was an honor to come on. Thank you

00:59:35.480 --> 00:59:37.980
so much and I'll speak to you soon. Awesome.