Barry Dodds on 30 East Drive, Ghostwatch and Going Looking for Ghosts
with Barry Dodds
Comedian Barry Dodds has spent years looking for ghosts. But an encounter in the Edinburgh vaults left him questioning what he had been looking for—and whether he really wanted to find it.Joining Ash and Greg on Pursuit of the Paranormal, Barry recalls a tall, unsettling…
ABOUT THIS EPISODE
Comedian Barry Dodds has spent years looking for ghosts. But an encounter in the Edinburgh vaults left him questioning what he had been looking for—and whether he really wanted to find it.
Joining Ash and Greg on Pursuit of the Paranormal, Barry recalls a tall, unsettling figure standing behind a film crew, a stone falling between him and fellow comedian Bethany Black at 30 East Drive, and the strange atmosphere that keeps drawing him back to Chillingham Castle.
The conversation takes in the Ancient Ram Inn, the House That Cries, the influence of Ghostwatch and found-footage horror, and why comedians who laugh at ghost stories aren’t always keen to spend time alone in a haunted room.
Funny, candid and unsettling, this is a conversation about the thrill of the unknown—and what happens when that thrill becomes something much harder to explain.
Contains strong language and discussion of disturbing subjects. Experiences are discussed as personal accounts and interpretations.
00:00 Intro
00:57 Meet Barry Dodds
02:46 Why seek out things that scare you?
05:46 Something in the Edinburgh vaults
08:14 Horror fans and being the “weird kid”
12:56 Why horror gets inside your head
21:58 Ghostwatch and paranormal television
25:06 Inside 30 East Drive
35:01 The falling stone
37:17 Chillingham Castle
41:38 The Ancient Ram Inn
43:11 The House That Cries
46:40 Littledean Jail
49:17 Cryptids and unexplained mysteries
51:14 Comedians, scepticism and haunted houses
53:13 What does Barry think ghosts are?
54:32 Dream investigation locations
58:01 Closing thoughts
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IN THIS EPISODE
- He went looking for ghosts. Then something moved towards him.
- Comedian Barry Dodds joins us to describe an unsettling encounter in the Edinburgh vaults, a falling stone at 30 East Drive and the haunted places he keeps returning to.
- There are plenty of laughs. There are also moments that might make you check the corner of the room.
- Listen to the Barry Dodds episode of Pursuit of the Paranormal, or watch the conversation on YouTube.
- #BarryDodds #PursuitOfTheParanormal #ParanormalPodcast
SHOW NOTES
The comedian joins Ash and Greg on Pursuit of the Paranormal to share the encounter he still cannot explain, alongside strange experiences at 30 East Drive and his fascination with Britain’s haunted locations.
ny Black at 30 East Drive
• Why Chillingham Castle feels like a home with a personality
• The Ancient Ram Inn and the House That Cries
• Ghostwatch, The Blair Witch Project and the horror films that get under your skin
• Comedy, scepticism and what happens when the bravado disappears
• Stone tape theory and why Barry still doesn’t have all the answers
FEATURED VIDEO
GREG & ASH
Two mates. A shared obsession with the unknown. Haunted locations, unusual experiences, UFOs, consciousness and the unexplained — always with curiosity, conversation and room for different perspectives.
Greg: Curious about strange experiences, unusual places and the stories people carry with them.
Ash: Open-minded, evidence-aware and always ready to follow the conversation somewhere unexpected.
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I thought Most Haunted was great. You know, it
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did. I think when Most Haunted started, maybe
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for the first three or four series, I think they
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had good intentions. I think they were trying
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to do it properly. And then the last one that
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I watched was when they were live in 30 East
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Drive with Paul O 'Grady and Ryland. I enjoyed
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that. I enjoyed that. It was just, it was too,
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it was too much. The subtlety had gone and you
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could, and then, cause I know the guy who owns
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the house and he was like, yeah, they did this,
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this and this. And it was like, he, so it was
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really disappointing. Cause it was like, I'd
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much rather just watch a show where nothing happens.
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And I know that one tiny thing might be real
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as opposed to it being action packed and just
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thinking, well, this is clearly all nonsense,
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you know? But they did that in the early most
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home. It's nothing would happen. They'd walk
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around going, well, we didn't say anything tonight,
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but it was nice having a look around Applehampton
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Hall. Welcome Barry Dodds to Pursuit the Power
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Normal. Thank you very much for taking time to
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talk to us. How are you doing? Hi, I'm very well.
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Thank you. I'm very well. I'm in a, in a weird
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bit of a sort of crisis about my internet connection
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because I live next to next to a big river. And
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if we get the prerequisite amount of English
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rainfall, then everything floods and the internet
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goes off. So I'm currently tethered to the internet
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by 80s finger, it feels like. So if the sound
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goes weird, tell me and I'll fix it. Nice one.
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Nice one. So we're going to start talking paranormal
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ghosts and stuff. But before that, you got to
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sort of just intro yourself as a person who is,
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who is Barry Dodds in your bit of background
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for the people that might not know who you are.
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So I'm. primarily a stand -up comedian, working
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the comedy circuit for about 24 years now. And
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my sort of side interest or side job, like my
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little, my little, I can't remember what it's
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called, side hustle, as I think the government
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like to call it. um is uh the paranormal and
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ghosts and ghost hunting but not not as a sort
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of like business but it's like a passion project
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so i've been ghost hunting since i was 13 i think
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i did my first first one and i'm 45 now so it's
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uh it's been in my life a long time longer than
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i've been doing it as well and i'm older than
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you is but um so wow so what got you into The
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paranormal then. It was so, I think I'm, I think
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I'm drawn in my life to things that scare me.
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Like I get, like as a kid, I was really, really
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shy and quiet. And like the last thing I would
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ever have done would be doing a job that's first
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of all, public speaking. And then secondly, probably
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the hardest form of that, which is stand up where
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people can actually make it difficult for you.
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but I always got, but I get a rush from it. And
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it's the same with the ghost thing in that I
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got told ghost stories when I was when I was
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like nine or 10 by my cousin up in a place called
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Amblin in Northumberland. I used to say at bananas
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in the summer holidays and I used to love hearing
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the ghost stories. And then the second the lights
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went off at the end of the day, pure terror,
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just absolutely just terrified of it, found it
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so intensely frightening. And then the next day
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after being exhausted, it was like, I can't wait
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to do that again. I can't wait to hear more ghost
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stories. And so it's like that rush. Fundamentally,
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it terrifies me. It absolutely terrifies me.
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And then going and doing my first ever ghost
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hunts with a radio station in the Northeast just
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hooked me for life. It was like utterly terrifying,
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but like really addictive, that fear and that
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adrenaline. So yeah, it's just, yeah, just an
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interest in it really, just being interested
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in the idea of it all. It's quite a weird way
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to try and describe that kind of adrenaline.
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So people are like, why, when I talk about it
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at work and people are like, you're mental, you
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go into graveyards at two in the morning on your
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own and stuff. It's like, I can't explain that
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feeling when you're there. And you want to be
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scared, but you don't. It's like, I want something
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to happen, but that's like, do I want something
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to happen? Cause I'm on my own. It's that weird,
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like say that adrenaline. Yeah. I've, I've sort
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of had that because it's always, it's always
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fun. It's like going on, it's like going on a
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roller coaster. You know, it's potentially terrifying.
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You know, there's going to be adrenaline because
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the thing's going to flip you and spin you around
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and everything. But so you're going to be scared,
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but in the back of your mind, you're like, I
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know I'm safe. you know, I know I'm strapped
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in and this thing's safe and it's been checked
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and it's going to be all right. And I'm definitely
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going to get off at the end of it. And then,
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you know, I had one experience in my life where
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all of a sudden I was looking for ghosts on this
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metaphorical roller coaster and all of a sudden
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the lap bar came up and it's like, no, here's
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that thing that you're looking for. And it's
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like, oh, that's not what I expected. And it
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scared the shit out of me. So, yeah, be careful
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what you wish for. What was that experience?
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It was when I was making a film a few years ago
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and I was in a vault in the underground streets
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in Edinburgh. And we were like shooting a scene
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and, you know, it wasn't scripted or anything.
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It was sort of me trying to, you know, get evidence
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of a ghost with a skeptic. And, and we told,
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we were like mucking around because it was comedy.
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And, and what it felt like, so we'd come to the
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natural end of the scene that we were filming
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and it sort of felt a bit like, yeah, we're done.
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And I can remember just turning to look at the
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crew was kind of like, oh, we finished and, and
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just behind them in this vault, there was something
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stood in the corner. And don't know what it was.
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I mean, I'm hesitant to call it a ghost because
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I just don't know what it was, but it was really
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tall and it had some, it was either like long
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hair or some sort of hood or something coming
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down and it had like sort of slimmed in sort
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of ovalish face. And I could say like dark recesses
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where some eyes were. And it was just like, just
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stood in the corner. I remember looking at it
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and instantly like, that like breath in and then
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reaching to point for it. And then in that second,
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it moving forward. And and that was that was
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enough to send me moving in the other direction
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really, really fast. And it was. Yeah. You know,
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like when people talk about saying ghosts and
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getting, you know, like, oh, you know, so my
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grandmother or I got this thing or even when
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it's like I woke up and there was a dark shadow
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at the end of the bed or. whatever, it's like,
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this felt really unwelcoming. It felt unpleasant.
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And I don't, I just don't know what it was. And
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yeah, it asks more questions than it answers.
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Definitely. So like you sort of said, you had
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this interest since you were a teenager, pretty
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much. How, like sort of, so growing up, did it
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kind of influence sort of your hobbies and stuff?
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Cause I, I've had UFOs since I was like 10. and
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I was always the weird kid at school. I was the
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one that was into aliens and stuff as a 10 year
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old in the 90s. It was always the weird kid.
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Was that kind of similar for you or was it more
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something you've done more as an adult, you know,
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you had that interest? I was always the weird
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kid at school. You know, I was always like the
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one who believed in ghosts, the one who liked
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ghost stories and horror films essentially, you
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know, that, you know, like I was the... You know,
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there was a stigma, and I think there still is
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a stigma, really, like, if you like horror films,
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then you are just a little Fred West in waiting.
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You know, it's like, if you like horror, then
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you definitely... And I've got to say, in reality,
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I think most people who I've met who are like
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hardcore horror fans tend to be the gentlest
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people going, and they tend to be very passionate
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about... I think they're more dedicated to the
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art of cinema than somebody who goes and watches,
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I don't know, like a rom -com in the cinema or
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some Richard Curtis thing. I think horror fans
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are passionate. But at school, if you're into
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horror, you're the weird kid. And my favorite
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band is and was Erasure. So that just... Yeah,
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there's lots of red flags there. There's a lot
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for the bullies to pick from. So it's like the
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heavy metal community, like in the heavy metal
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community. get looked on as like the scary, must
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be so scary when it's the nicest group of people.
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You will be so safe in a heavy metal crowd than
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any other type of concert crowd. I've got to
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say I've done download festival a few times as
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a performer and as an audience, like I'd much
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rather have that tent full of like 500 metalers
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than I would like 500 people at like, I don't
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know what they saw or what would have been Leeds
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and Reading, you know, or Tea in the Park, you
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know, that sort of that's more frightening than
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download because there's an odd, it feels like
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there's almost like a code of respect amongst
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amongst people who are into that because, you
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know, it's passionate. Although having said that,
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I did the comedy tent once and I saw somebody
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on stage having a really miserable time. And
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just out of nowhere, someone threw a mouse trap.
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just this mousetrap just came through the hair
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and it hit him in the chest and that went and
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he picked it up and he did the worst thing he
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could have done was he picked it up got annoyed
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and threw it back oh god and then carried on
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then all of a sudden like four mousetraps came
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flying somebody somebody brought a pack of mousetraps
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into download to lob at the axe the door like
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so it's quite quite inventive i suppose Yeah,
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I've never heard that before. Because they check
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you for any serious weapons. If you turn up,
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they're just saying, probably just doesn't want
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any mice around his tent, but no. I'm trying
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to think what could be worse than 500 reading
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goers. Let's think about maybe 500 Swifties.
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They hear quite vicious stories of Swift fans.
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Or 100 latitude festival goers. Oh God, that
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would be tedious. Just, oh my God, like, not
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even drinking, not even drinking. At least, at
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least download, like, I'd rather have them on
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drugs than I would have them on a Starbucks.
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You know what I mean? I'd rather it was a bit
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more, a bit more fun. But yeah, I think when
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you get communities like that who are sort of
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pushed to the sideline and written off, I think
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there is a sort of, I think it's the same with
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the paranormal. community I suppose you kind
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of just go all right you think we're weird right
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that's fine we'll just go and do our own thing
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and literally just leave you to it and they exist
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in a happier non -judgmental world just doing
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what makes them happy really. It's interesting
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you mention about like horror films and I think
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I get a similar feeling when I'm watching a horror
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film as I do when I'm walking around Delamere
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Forest. midnight, 1am, thinking all the films
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I've been watching over those years, please do
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and don't come out of the woodwork right now.
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Because A, it'd be great for content if nothing
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else. But B, that would just freak me out because
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I can, I know how horror films generally end,
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and they don't generally end in a very good way.
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Certainly for the sort of the protagonist of
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the film is usually a friend of theirs that gets
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taken in the woods or or something like that.
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So, yeah, sorry. I just say those films like
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the Blair Witch and stuff, it just because they're
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so realistic, they get in your head. And, you
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know, if the Blair Witch was some demon running
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along, ripping trees down, it wouldn't be scary.
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It's the fact that it's it's what your own mind
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creates. You know, when you're alone in the woods
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and you hear a noise, you fill in the gaps yourself.
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And that's always more frightening. Yeah, it
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is. And I think horror films unlock that part
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of your senses, like a paranormal investigation
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does. There's that unknown bit. And in a horror
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film, they always build the tension. You get
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that sinking feeling because you know something
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bad is going to happen. Whereas on a rom -com,
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you kind of know right from the start exactly
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how it's going to pan out. They're going to fall
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in love and they're going to be happily ever
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after. In a horror film, it can go... anybody
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can get taken at any time that that dread that
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sort of feeling that exhilaration you can get
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from a horror film. Yeah, there's no safety net.
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There is no safety net and found footage as well.
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That's another that's my favorite sort of style
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or genre of horror film, because it puts you
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right, right in there as well. So you're part
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right in the part of that investigation. So have
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you seen I'm aware it's a controversial one for
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some obvious reasons, but have you seen like
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Cannibal Holocaust? I haven't. I haven't seen
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that one. It's a classic film. That's the original
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found footage and there's something about the
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rawness and intensity of that that is unmatched
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in any sort of film that I've seen. It's hard
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going. It's hard going, but in terms of found
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footage, I mean, I think I think the one horror
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film that's that wrong that removes the safety
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net completely is it's a British film called
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Eden Lake, which is Michael Fassbender and Maggie
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Riley just staying in the woods in the Midlands,
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just by a lake having one. He's getting ready
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to propose just some chavs turn up, decide to
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make their life. a nightmare in the woods. And
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I've never come away from a film feeling like
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I'd been beaten up and like it actually like
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affected me for about a week. I came away from
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it feeling real despair. I think I don't know
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if I say the name rings a bell. So I'm going
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to have to check that out. Eden Lake's incredible.
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One of the most effective horror. I think there's
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something about that, about when people are taken
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out of like what you presume is safe becomes
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unsafe. Like there's a French film called Inside,
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which is like a home invasion movie, which is,
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you know, anything in your house, anything in
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your safe place, you know, where everything becomes
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a threat and everything becomes a weapon. It's,
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yes, frightening, frightening. And I think, you
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know, with those found footage ones, it's like,
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did you see one called Host that was made in
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the pandemic? Yeah. Oh, God, that probably the
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most I've jumped like the scene where she throws
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the sheet in behind her. And there's something.
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Oh, my God. That really scared me. That is the
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one for me is Blair Witch. I saw that at the
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cinema. That shows how old I was. I saw it in
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the cinema as well. And this and It was weird
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with that, because everyone was kind of walking
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out going, what was that? But I came out shaking.
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I think it depends whether you let it get to
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you or not. But the other one, the other one
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is the McPherson tapes. I don't know if you've
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seen that. Do you know what? I've got it on.
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It's like a Blu -ray double thing. It's the McPherson
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tapes and is it called the Stone Tapes or something?
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I've got it. I've got it to watch. I still haven't
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got around to watching it. It's the one that
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terrifies me worse than some of the horror films,
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like classic horror films, like ghosts and stuff,
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because the whole alien thing just freaks me
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out. The ghosts and that, I seem to have made
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peace with the fact that we go ghost. hunting.
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Me and Ash go out all the time. We go out with
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my partner and a sister. We go out all the time
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to all these places doing all this weird stuff.
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But the alien thing gets me. I don't know why.
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I think it's maybe because we speak to people
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and they've had these interactions where things
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have come into their house while they're asleep
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and taking them out of the house. And I'm like,
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what the fuck? I mean, that you're not actually
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in it. you've got a ghost and you can kind of
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go, wow, you never really hear of a ghost hurt
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in anybody. But people we've spoken to with alien
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interactions doesn't appear to be pleasant. And
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I'm thinking, what the fuck am I? How do you,
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you can't even defend yourself. You can't do
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anything. So I think that touched on me as being
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absolutely horrific. And I hate watching that
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film from that aspect. I'm going to have to watch
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this. There was something on, I can't remember
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how I stumbled across it. It was just like, just
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putting random things on, on the telly one night.
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And it was, I didn't even see the title of it.
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It just had the actress in it going, I can't
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remember who it was. It was like, she was like,
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hi, my name's Kate Blanchett and I play this
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character in this movie. This story is true.
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And I. and nothing's been made up and I watched
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it and it was like found footage of what happened
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to this and they were like these are the in the
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scenes that I made these are acted in the scenes
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with the tapes those are the genuine footage
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now and it jesus christ it scared me and it wasn't
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it was only until after I found out it was fake
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I think it was called the fourth kind I was like
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watching it going, there's the evidence. How
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is there any debate about this? How is there
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any debate about this whatsoever? And then I
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only got tricked into another one where they
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found a mermaid, but I checked the IMDB on that
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before I went to four. By any chance. Ash is
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probably too young to know what that is. I quite
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fancied her in that, but it really does leave
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you in a moral dilemma. It does. Absolutely.
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Absolutely. H2O, I think that's the... Far as
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I know. H2O. I don't even know what that is.
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Is that Friday the 13th? That's Halloween, isn't
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it? Yeah. H2O? No, it's water. I don't know.
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What? H2O is water. Yeah, I know that. Oh, God,
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Ash. We're showing our age. No, it's us showing
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our age and remembering what age 2 -0 was. I
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remember when Halloween was only 20 years old.
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It's crazy. Like Aliens has just had its 40th
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anniversary release. That's mental. 40. Yeah.
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Well, I remember Star Wars coming out. Well,
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I don't remember Star Wars coming out. Just clarify.
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It came out the year I was born. So I don't remember
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it coming out. I've never seen that. That will
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age me. The original Star Wars. Yeah. Yeah. I
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always avoided that when you know when something's
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too in pop culture and you just think it's kind
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of ruined. It's a bit like, I don't think anyone
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could sit and watch The Exorcist now and find
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it scary because you've seen it parodied too
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much. You're like, you know her head's going
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to spin around, you know she's going to throw
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up pea soup and so it's not scary. But I remember
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at one point it was frightening. But then you've
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got films now. So paranormal activity. That's
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another one for me. It's done so well and so
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subtle that I feel that is that to me is more
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what I would expect a poltergeist to be like
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in my house. If I had that really terrified me
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as well. For me, it was the bit when she goes
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up into the loft and you just see like half a
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burnt picture and it's like, Oh God. It's those
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little things, a little bit of sound design and
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just it really is less is more. Like, you know,
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if it came in, you know, breathing fire with
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red eyes, you'd be like, this is shite. But just
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the little things, just seeing the footsteps
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and the flower is just enough. I think like ghost
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watch, you know, you only saw pipes a few times.
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Changed my life that. That was probably one of
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the big things that got me into ghosts. That
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was horrific. I was 11 when I saw that. And I
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think there's a lot of people, I think there's
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a lot of ghost hunting companies who are still
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doing very well on a business front. Thanks to
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Sarah Green and Parky. Have you seen that Ash?
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Have you seen Ghostbusters? I've still not watched
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it. You've talked about it so much, I've still
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not watched it. I don't know if it will still
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hold up. Based on what we do now and I'm not
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entirely sure but other time It's so it sort
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of doesn't the problem is is and I feel bad saying
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this but the acting is really bad and But they
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do act like there's at the time there was no
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way that they did it was so well researched and
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done It was like what happens when you do a live
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outside broadcast light. Oh, you know, it's not
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perfect You'll see the crew the boom will come
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into shot. Yeah It does all the little things
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wrong that happen in a live broadcast that make
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you kind of go, oh, this is legit, you know?
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And, you know, the BBC are sort of embarrassed
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by it. They've swept it under the carpet, which
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the BBC are very good at. But BFI have put it
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out and 88 Films have given it a really nice
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release as well. It's worth seeing. part of British
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TV history. Yeah, no, I need to. I've been saying,
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I've been saying for months they're going to
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watch, well, years probably they're going to
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watch it, as Greg always talks about it. But
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as I grew up watching, obviously like Most Haunted,
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and like when they would do like the Most Haunted
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live and then they'd have to live stream on the
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internet. So it's like got in the telly, I'm
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sat on my computer watching the live, just staring
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for hours at these empty rooms, like hoping something
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happens and watching these cameras in these rooms
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and seeing other comments come up and stuff.
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It's really got to interact with the telly, sort
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of. I thought most haunted was great. You know,
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it, it did. I think when most haunted started,
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maybe for the first three or four series, I think
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they had good intentions. I think they were trying
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to do it properly. And then the last one that
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I watched was when they were live in 30 East
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drive with Paul O 'Grady and Rylan. I enjoyed
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that. I enjoyed that. It was just, it was too,
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it was too much. The subtlety had gone and you
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could, and then, cause I know the guy who owns
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the house and he was like, yeah, they did this,
00:24:39.170 --> 00:24:42.130
this and this. And it was like, so it was really
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disappointing. Cause it was like, I'd much rather
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just watch a show where nothing happens. And
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I know that one tiny thing might be real as opposed
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to it being action packed and just thinking,
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well, this is clearly all nonsense, you know.
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But they did that in the early most home. It's
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nothing would happen. They'd walk around going,
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well, we didn't say anything tonight, but it
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was nice having a look around Applehampton Hall,
00:25:03.519 --> 00:25:08.309
you know. So 30 days drive, that's somewhere
00:25:08.309 --> 00:25:10.690
you've been. Obviously, Bill Bungay is the guy
00:25:10.690 --> 00:25:14.970
that owns. Yeah, Bill owns it. I've spent like,
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I'm surprised it hasn't had me paying council
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tax. Spent in that house. It's it's really unique.
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Like it's. I don't know what's in there. I don't
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think it's a ghost called Fred. I think it's,
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or I think that maybe there was once upon a time
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haunting there from some individual or one singular
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spirit. And now it's been, you know, it's got
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people in 365 days. People are in that house.
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And I know it says there's a rule on no Ouija
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boards and things like that. without a doubt,
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it goes on. And I think once you've got somewhere
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like that where you've got enough people every
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night going, is there someone there? Is there
00:26:05.220 --> 00:26:07.319
someone there? You know, you've got enough people
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sort of kicking the wasps nest constantly. I
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feel like it's, you know, that energy building
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up into something and sort of creating its own
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thing. So because I think you can feel it in
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there. Like the air feels thick, you know, and
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it's not black mold. It's it. You can just feel
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it. Things have happened to you. You know, have
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you been in it? Yeah. Yeah. So the last time
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we went, we went January or February, one of
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them did anything happen? I had some weird stuff
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happen. Yeah. I won't lie. It was what happened.
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So we, so, um, so there's four of us that go
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out, me and Ash let's pursue. and then we go
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out with my partner and her sister to investigate.
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So a lot of the time if it's like an expensive
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place to go, we'll go as a four because we can
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split the costs and we can. It's a bit more approachable
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for normal people if you can split the cost a
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bit. We don't necessarily like going out with
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loads of people on a public night where there's
00:27:22.680 --> 00:27:25.380
like 10 or 15 people to go, I don't trust any
00:27:25.380 --> 00:27:29.829
of you. Any of you, yeah, joking, lying, like
00:27:29.829 --> 00:27:34.779
the four of us, we're a tight knit. And if one,
00:27:34.859 --> 00:27:38.609
if one person says that happened to me, I believe
00:27:38.609 --> 00:27:43.029
it. If they say dinner, whether everybody plays
00:27:43.029 --> 00:27:46.930
their part in validating or debunking what's
00:27:46.930 --> 00:27:49.710
happened. So me, me and Sarah got up there a
00:27:49.710 --> 00:27:54.990
little bit earlier and we could hear stuff. upstairs.
00:27:55.029 --> 00:27:57.390
We're in the kitchen. I could hear what appeared
00:27:57.390 --> 00:27:59.450
to be the only way I can describe it is some
00:27:59.450 --> 00:28:03.029
something being dragged across the floor upstairs.
00:28:03.289 --> 00:28:06.490
Don't know what it is. I wasn't going up there
00:28:06.490 --> 00:28:08.130
to check out either because we were the only
00:28:08.130 --> 00:28:10.690
two in the building at the time. So I can't,
00:28:10.769 --> 00:28:13.450
I can't wear that. But then then the four of
00:28:13.450 --> 00:28:16.309
us were there. And then there was a fifth person.
00:28:17.009 --> 00:28:18.410
Sean came with us as well. So in the end, there
00:28:18.410 --> 00:28:24.480
was five of us. And yeah, we we had a very weird
00:28:24.480 --> 00:28:28.710
night. we were doing the Estes method, where
00:28:28.710 --> 00:28:31.710
we do the spirit box and the headphone. I think
00:28:31.710 --> 00:28:34.890
that's such a good method, you know. I think
00:28:34.890 --> 00:28:39.400
it's such a good idea. Yeah, we've had loads
00:28:39.400 --> 00:28:41.900
of weird shit happen that night on that. Ash,
00:28:42.039 --> 00:28:43.880
like, threw his headphones off, he's like, no,
00:28:43.980 --> 00:28:47.180
no, no. I felt someone to stand by, like, literally
00:28:47.180 --> 00:28:49.759
tower all the way. I literally just jumped up,
00:28:49.920 --> 00:28:51.940
trying to never have done that. I literally stood
00:28:51.940 --> 00:28:53.819
up and threw the headphones, didn't care that
00:28:53.819 --> 00:28:55.640
they could damage anything. Just literally was
00:28:55.640 --> 00:28:57.920
like, no, I'm done. I felt like someone was pressing.
00:28:58.920 --> 00:29:00.680
I was sat on the bed in the main bedroom, second
00:29:00.680 --> 00:29:03.359
bedroom. I could feel like it was hair pushing
00:29:03.359 --> 00:29:05.480
on me, getting closer and closer and heavier
00:29:05.480 --> 00:29:08.660
on me. I was like, no, I'm done. In the nursery
00:29:08.660 --> 00:29:11.480
room, I was just standing there on my own. I
00:29:11.480 --> 00:29:13.509
was stood up sort of near the door. And you have
00:29:13.509 --> 00:29:15.750
like, it's like the weird blue prison mattresses
00:29:15.750 --> 00:29:18.289
on the, on the beds. Yeah. Like with material.
00:29:18.490 --> 00:29:20.890
And I heard, like when you sort of shuffle back
00:29:20.890 --> 00:29:23.049
on the sort of plastic key, that sort of noise,
00:29:23.410 --> 00:29:25.470
it's like I heard someone push himself back onto
00:29:25.470 --> 00:29:27.529
the bed. I was like, fuck me. I know I'm out
00:29:27.529 --> 00:29:29.910
of here as well. But I think the one we had that
00:29:29.910 --> 00:29:31.430
was all of us together because we were upstairs.
00:29:31.670 --> 00:29:35.509
We do, we do TikTok live streams. Yeah. So we
00:29:35.509 --> 00:29:43.859
were on our. Oh. Cool, yeah. Was that me? Was
00:29:43.859 --> 00:29:48.099
that my internet lagging? I don't know. Yeah,
00:29:48.940 --> 00:29:51.039
so we do TikTok live streams. And so we're on
00:29:51.039 --> 00:29:53.599
our account, girls are on their account. And
00:29:53.599 --> 00:29:57.240
we have, one of the girls has like these cameras,
00:29:57.599 --> 00:29:59.619
CCTV cameras, like set up in different rooms
00:29:59.619 --> 00:30:01.500
that are motion activated. And when they go off,
00:30:02.000 --> 00:30:03.200
they get a notification on their phone saying,
00:30:03.259 --> 00:30:05.559
oh, this one's just been activated. And we were,
00:30:05.619 --> 00:30:07.900
the noise and sound, the noise and movement activated.
00:30:08.140 --> 00:30:10.079
We were all five of us in the bedroom upstairs.
00:30:10.579 --> 00:30:12.279
And they got a notification that it had been
00:30:12.279 --> 00:30:14.519
activated in the lounge. So when they played
00:30:14.519 --> 00:30:17.299
notification of like a ring doorbell thing, it
00:30:17.299 --> 00:30:21.279
just says, bang, bang, bang, like in the lounge.
00:30:21.420 --> 00:30:23.000
And it's like, well, it's like, this is happening
00:30:23.000 --> 00:30:25.160
right now. Like literally 10 seconds ago, there
00:30:25.160 --> 00:30:27.079
was just this bang, bang, bang that activated
00:30:27.079 --> 00:30:29.099
the cameras. So it's like fucking, it's like
00:30:29.099 --> 00:30:31.279
right below us. There's some, something in the
00:30:31.279 --> 00:30:33.900
fucking. Oh my God. So there's, we had a few.
00:30:34.549 --> 00:30:36.450
Uh, things I, it's one of them where there's
00:30:36.450 --> 00:30:39.470
a lot of skepticism with that venue as well,
00:30:39.609 --> 00:30:41.670
but people say about the neighbor and causing
00:30:41.670 --> 00:30:43.269
noises. So I was always thinking, cause he, cause
00:30:43.269 --> 00:30:44.849
the cost, I was like, it's a lot of money. It's
00:30:44.849 --> 00:30:48.950
a bit of a drive to potentially be a bullshit
00:30:48.950 --> 00:30:51.349
venue. But I've having been, I was like, yeah,
00:30:51.349 --> 00:30:54.430
that was, that was a free key. I don't think
00:30:54.430 --> 00:31:01.089
I roll the neighbor does get a lot of, um, a
00:31:01.089 --> 00:31:06.640
lot of critique, critiquing, um, And look, she
00:31:06.640 --> 00:31:10.000
she's a character. It's it's fair to say. And
00:31:10.000 --> 00:31:14.599
she does like a moment in the spotlight and it
00:31:14.599 --> 00:31:19.180
can be interesting. It can be it can be funny.
00:31:19.259 --> 00:31:24.490
It can be really inappropriate. It can it can
00:31:24.490 --> 00:31:26.589
be lots of things, but I don't think she goes
00:31:26.589 --> 00:31:29.809
next door and starts doing things. I just don't
00:31:29.809 --> 00:31:32.349
think she's that arsed. I think she likes being
00:31:32.349 --> 00:31:35.490
in there and likes being the celebrity. and gets
00:31:35.490 --> 00:31:37.670
a moment. I'm saying that, I sound like I can
00:31:37.670 --> 00:31:40.609
be really negative about her. I don't, I do like
00:31:40.609 --> 00:31:43.930
Carol. But when she goes next, so I don't think
00:31:43.930 --> 00:31:46.309
she's banging on walls and stuff. I don't think
00:31:46.309 --> 00:31:48.930
she's that interested in doing that. She probably
00:31:48.930 --> 00:31:53.490
goes every night as well. Yeah. Yeah. You know,
00:31:53.569 --> 00:31:56.210
and her health isn't the best. She's not staying
00:31:56.210 --> 00:31:59.470
up till one in the morning to try and chip people
00:31:59.470 --> 00:32:02.430
up. But she's got, she had a parrot for a while.
00:32:02.789 --> 00:32:05.549
And you used to be able to hear the parrot. But
00:32:05.549 --> 00:32:07.930
the parrot, of course, had heard so many people.
00:32:08.190 --> 00:32:10.930
Like, can you throw something? Can you? Yeah,
00:32:15.190 --> 00:32:29.740
it is a weird place. I think the it's got its
00:32:29.740 --> 00:32:35.410
own kind of. because of the backstory and the
00:32:35.410 --> 00:32:38.890
history and people will have seen when the lights
00:32:38.890 --> 00:32:41.049
went out as well as a film and a lot of people
00:32:41.049 --> 00:32:44.569
will watch it before they go. I think there's
00:32:44.569 --> 00:32:46.670
probably that kind of nervous energy because
00:32:46.670 --> 00:32:52.750
it's so up there in terms of... It's iconic.
00:32:53.529 --> 00:32:57.170
Yeah, it's an iconic location for paranormal
00:32:57.170 --> 00:33:00.529
enthusiasts. It's a bucket list place. Yeah,
00:33:00.569 --> 00:33:03.769
it's a bucket list place, definitely. And I think
00:33:03.920 --> 00:33:07.180
going in there if you don't if you go in there
00:33:07.180 --> 00:33:10.740
and you're not got that that little hair on the
00:33:10.740 --> 00:33:13.140
back of your neck standing up on end when you
00:33:13.140 --> 00:33:17.200
first work walk through or a noise gets made
00:33:17.200 --> 00:33:20.579
that you're not really too sure what's made it
00:33:20.990 --> 00:33:24.309
i think if you don't have that i i don't think
00:33:24.309 --> 00:33:26.109
it's done its job properly i think it's one of
00:33:26.109 --> 00:33:30.470
them locations that nothing happening is almost
00:33:30.470 --> 00:33:35.470
a godsend because you go fuck I've seen the film,
00:33:35.670 --> 00:33:38.650
I know the history and we've done an episode
00:33:38.650 --> 00:33:41.890
on 30 East Drive and there was a family before
00:33:41.890 --> 00:33:45.769
the Pritchards that had paranormal experiences
00:33:45.769 --> 00:33:51.289
as well. I interviewed the guy who was the first
00:33:51.289 --> 00:33:53.890
person to live in there, I can't remember his
00:33:53.890 --> 00:33:57.309
name, was it Bill something? He was a really
00:33:57.309 --> 00:34:01.829
old fella, I think he was a World War Two pilot
00:34:01.829 --> 00:34:06.549
and he was blind. And it was so weird because
00:34:06.549 --> 00:34:11.190
everybody knows the Pritchard story. But hearing
00:34:11.190 --> 00:34:14.369
his story of when he was in there, when it was
00:34:14.369 --> 00:34:16.489
him and his wife, because they did a house swap
00:34:16.489 --> 00:34:21.489
with the Pritchards and it was there were certain
00:34:21.489 --> 00:34:23.690
things he wouldn't go into and talk about that
00:34:23.690 --> 00:34:26.949
gave it a real darkness, like the change in his
00:34:26.949 --> 00:34:29.230
wife when they were in there and some of the
00:34:29.230 --> 00:34:31.750
things that happened with his daughter. And it
00:34:31.750 --> 00:34:35.300
was like and this was this was pre yeah i know
00:34:35.300 --> 00:34:37.139
everybody says oh it's a money -making thing
00:34:37.139 --> 00:34:40.099
everybody watched amityville and you know got
00:34:40.099 --> 00:34:43.179
their pen and paper out you know this was pre
00:34:43.179 --> 00:34:47.679
all of that and this was a you know this is somebody
00:34:47.679 --> 00:34:51.699
fought the nazis and he had to leave that house
00:34:51.699 --> 00:34:54.739
because of what was going on in there so i think
00:34:54.739 --> 00:34:58.480
it's it must be what it's built on it must be
00:34:58.480 --> 00:35:02.489
the the land it's got to be Did you have anything
00:35:02.489 --> 00:35:04.550
happen when you, well, all the times you've been
00:35:04.550 --> 00:35:07.929
there, anything sort of notable? With that, with
00:35:07.929 --> 00:35:10.869
that place, I always think it happens when you
00:35:10.869 --> 00:35:13.750
don't look for it. I think if you sit there in
00:35:13.750 --> 00:35:18.829
the dark with the K2 meter, I think you can be
00:35:18.829 --> 00:35:21.130
on a hiding to nothing. The only, the times I've
00:35:21.130 --> 00:35:22.949
had things happen there, there's one time I was
00:35:22.949 --> 00:35:25.150
in there with a comedian called Bethany Black,
00:35:25.710 --> 00:35:30.000
and it was, it was a lovely summer's afternoon
00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:32.380
and we were like a little bit kind of like, oh,
00:35:32.400 --> 00:35:34.780
we fucked up here. We're staying in this house
00:35:34.780 --> 00:35:36.440
and it's the height of summer. It's not going
00:35:36.440 --> 00:35:38.840
to get dark till half 11. It's going to be light
00:35:38.840 --> 00:35:41.780
at four. You know, and I know there's the argument,
00:35:41.920 --> 00:35:43.579
well, if it's haunted in the light, it's haunted
00:35:43.579 --> 00:35:46.860
in the dark. I get it. But you want it dark.
00:35:47.260 --> 00:35:50.820
You want the full experience. And so it's this
00:35:50.820 --> 00:35:55.389
lovely sunny afternoon and we were stood in You
00:35:55.389 --> 00:35:57.989
know, you've got the kitchen and there's like
00:35:57.989 --> 00:36:01.230
a fireplace in there next to the dining room
00:36:01.230 --> 00:36:03.789
where there's like some keys hanging on the wall.
00:36:03.969 --> 00:36:05.949
We just stood there chatting mean bath and just
00:36:05.949 --> 00:36:11.010
this stone just dropped between us, like in between
00:36:11.010 --> 00:36:13.889
us, and just like hit the floor. I went down,
00:36:14.070 --> 00:36:16.489
picked it up and was like, fuck it. We're locked
00:36:16.489 --> 00:36:18.929
open because it's just the ceiling. I'm like,
00:36:19.349 --> 00:36:23.849
where has this stone just come from? And it literally...
00:36:23.550 --> 00:36:28.900
we sort of fall in between us and it was it wasn't
00:36:28.900 --> 00:36:31.719
scary because like I say it was it's a gorgeous
00:36:31.719 --> 00:36:34.820
day and you know there's no thunder claps and
00:36:34.820 --> 00:36:37.039
you know there's no lightning it's it was just
00:36:37.039 --> 00:36:39.760
this kind of here's something that you just really
00:36:39.760 --> 00:36:43.739
can't explain and yeah so whenever I've had things
00:36:43.739 --> 00:36:46.960
happen in there it's been stuff like that that's
00:36:46.960 --> 00:36:49.940
mad now that's yeah that's I know Bill had a
00:36:49.940 --> 00:36:52.219
domino thrown at him when he was walking around
00:36:52.219 --> 00:36:54.480
there once, because Bill genuinely won't stay
00:36:54.480 --> 00:36:56.179
the night there. I know some people think that's
00:36:56.179 --> 00:37:00.739
a publicity thing, but Bill really doesn't like
00:37:00.739 --> 00:37:04.199
the vibes of that place. That's the money, though.
00:37:05.760 --> 00:37:10.019
That's a decent investment from backing. Yeah,
00:37:10.340 --> 00:37:13.559
yeah. As well, any other places? What sort of
00:37:13.559 --> 00:37:15.480
obviously they do quite a bit of panel investigation
00:37:15.480 --> 00:37:21.210
at the minute. in the past. My go -to place is
00:37:21.210 --> 00:37:23.449
sort of almost not a ghost -hunt place that I
00:37:23.449 --> 00:37:25.550
go to now. It's a place that I go to relax, which
00:37:25.550 --> 00:37:28.849
is Chillingham Castle in Northumberland, which
00:37:28.849 --> 00:37:31.449
again is another one of those bucket list venues.
00:37:31.530 --> 00:37:33.269
And when people go to spend the night there,
00:37:33.510 --> 00:37:35.409
I think they can go in with the expectation of
00:37:35.409 --> 00:37:37.829
30 years drive, like what's going to happen?
00:37:38.190 --> 00:37:41.809
Is it going to... And 99 % of the time you're
00:37:41.809 --> 00:37:45.730
just going to have a... and a night there and
00:37:45.730 --> 00:37:47.449
not much is going to happen. And then people
00:37:47.449 --> 00:37:49.690
come away disappointed. And it's like, yeah,
00:37:49.769 --> 00:37:54.929
you can't. It's not ghost train. But Chillingham,
00:37:55.130 --> 00:37:57.750
when Chillingham's it's weird with Chillingham.
00:37:57.909 --> 00:38:00.860
It's it's like it's almost like there's not one
00:38:00.860 --> 00:38:03.440
ghost. It's it's like the whole castle is alive.
00:38:03.780 --> 00:38:05.699
It's like there's like an energy runs through
00:38:05.699 --> 00:38:09.460
the very brickwork of it. And and so Humphrey,
00:38:09.460 --> 00:38:12.320
who owns it, he summed it up perfectly to me
00:38:12.320 --> 00:38:15.039
once he said. He said, when this castle has got
00:38:15.039 --> 00:38:18.460
people in and when it's got his family and then
00:38:18.460 --> 00:38:21.440
guests staying. And he said, when it's alive,
00:38:21.699 --> 00:38:24.659
it's it's happy and there's a joyousness goes
00:38:24.659 --> 00:38:28.239
through it. But when it's on its own, it sulks
00:38:28.239 --> 00:38:31.380
and it sits in the dark and it sulks. And that's
00:38:31.380 --> 00:38:34.000
when you'll get things happening when it's not
00:38:34.000 --> 00:38:36.679
got. I don't necessarily think there's negative
00:38:36.679 --> 00:38:40.389
energies in Chillingham. I think it's. I do think
00:38:40.389 --> 00:38:43.250
it's a place that thrives on having people in
00:38:43.250 --> 00:38:47.099
it. It's a home. And it's one of those. Yeah,
00:38:47.099 --> 00:38:50.559
I love going there. And just because I feel completely
00:38:50.559 --> 00:38:53.539
at peace and relaxed there. But there'll be a
00:38:53.539 --> 00:38:56.719
time when I'll just be walking around and I like
00:38:56.719 --> 00:38:58.920
go to walk across the courtyard or something.
00:38:59.400 --> 00:39:01.880
And you just get this little feeling of, oh,
00:39:01.880 --> 00:39:04.829
I don't feel very welcome here. Like, you know,
00:39:04.829 --> 00:39:06.829
if you walk into a room and there's been an argument,
00:39:07.070 --> 00:39:09.659
you can sense it. It's it's that sort of feeling
00:39:09.659 --> 00:39:13.519
like always doesn't this feels off right now.
00:39:13.860 --> 00:39:15.840
It doesn't always feel like that. So now and
00:39:15.840 --> 00:39:19.179
again, it does. And I love children for that.
00:39:19.199 --> 00:39:23.130
And have you ever been up there? A bit too far
00:39:23.130 --> 00:39:27.639
north for me to hell of a trek. It's a hell of
00:39:27.639 --> 00:39:33.150
a trek. Have you ever been to the Ram Inn? I
00:39:33.150 --> 00:39:37.050
have. I have. I found it. It was quite an odd
00:39:37.050 --> 00:39:41.179
thing because we went when it was. when we're
00:39:41.179 --> 00:39:46.960
doing the filament and it's obviously like an
00:39:46.960 --> 00:39:51.139
iconic sort of location that everybody wants
00:39:51.139 --> 00:39:53.719
to go in. It's got some amazing stories to it.
00:39:53.800 --> 00:39:59.019
And of course, the guy who owned it, again, he
00:39:59.019 --> 00:40:02.780
was sort of part of the furniture. I can't remember
00:40:02.780 --> 00:40:07.599
his name. John. John. Is it John Humphreys? Yes.
00:40:07.820 --> 00:40:13.739
Yeah. He so, you know, he was very much part
00:40:13.739 --> 00:40:16.139
of it. And we would get and it was his daughter,
00:40:16.139 --> 00:40:19.380
Caroline, who sort of looked after it. I think
00:40:19.380 --> 00:40:22.139
he was I think he'd very recently could be put
00:40:22.139 --> 00:40:25.420
into a home or something like that. And we were
00:40:25.420 --> 00:40:27.719
getting ready to go there and film getting ready
00:40:27.719 --> 00:40:29.639
to sort of driving. And Caroline rang up and
00:40:29.639 --> 00:40:33.650
said, I'm just letting you know. And dad's passed
00:40:33.650 --> 00:40:37.829
away this morning. i'm still happy for you to
00:40:37.829 --> 00:40:39.710
go in i still want you to go ahead want you to
00:40:39.710 --> 00:40:41.329
go in there and do it but i'm not going to be
00:40:41.329 --> 00:40:45.269
there because of course and when we went it's
00:40:45.269 --> 00:40:48.389
obviously it's really creepy and it's got a lot
00:40:48.389 --> 00:40:51.789
of you know stuff like the open grave and stuff
00:40:51.789 --> 00:40:53.710
like that in there there's a lot to unsettle
00:40:53.710 --> 00:40:57.349
you but when we went in it was like like his
00:40:57.349 --> 00:41:02.099
jackets were like hanging up and it was i don't
00:41:02.099 --> 00:41:05.000
know it didn't feel creepy it felt like felt
00:41:05.000 --> 00:41:06.800
like, oh, this place should be having a bit of
00:41:06.800 --> 00:41:09.559
stillness now, that this this this place should
00:41:09.559 --> 00:41:14.000
be resting. And, you know, because he was a very,
00:41:14.340 --> 00:41:19.369
very religious man, you know, and yeah, there
00:41:19.369 --> 00:41:22.610
was just like this this feeling of sadness and
00:41:22.610 --> 00:41:24.449
the crew. It was one of those ones where the
00:41:24.449 --> 00:41:27.489
crew found it terrifying. And we were just like,
00:41:27.610 --> 00:41:30.110
no, just feel sad. Whereas like the vaults, the
00:41:30.110 --> 00:41:33.590
crew were like fine. And I was. Don't want to
00:41:33.590 --> 00:41:37.289
be shitting myself. Where's the best place you
00:41:37.289 --> 00:41:40.489
guys have been to then? Oh, that's a good question.
00:41:40.750 --> 00:41:44.570
So just to add on, the Ram Inn is one of the
00:41:44.570 --> 00:41:47.250
few places that has absolutely terrified me.
00:41:47.969 --> 00:41:50.789
Again, five of us went, we had the whole place
00:41:50.789 --> 00:41:53.489
to ourselves and within five minutes I was petrified.
00:41:53.510 --> 00:41:55.489
I wouldn't go to the toilet on my own. Somebody
00:41:55.489 --> 00:41:58.070
had to come and follow me and stand outside.
00:41:58.409 --> 00:42:00.889
Wow. We got in there and we heard a noise, me
00:42:00.889 --> 00:42:03.869
and this guy I was with. And I was like, I looked
00:42:03.869 --> 00:42:06.260
at him and said, did you hear that? And he was
00:42:06.260 --> 00:42:08.599
like, yeah, we're just doing a little recce at
00:42:08.599 --> 00:42:10.420
the start. So we walked back through, because
00:42:10.420 --> 00:42:12.420
that was in the barn area, we walked back through
00:42:12.420 --> 00:42:15.940
towards the bar area and it was all curtained
00:42:15.940 --> 00:42:19.340
off. And so we pulled the curtain across, went
00:42:19.340 --> 00:42:22.340
into the bar area, pulled the curtain behind
00:42:22.340 --> 00:42:24.980
us. And he looked at me and he goes, did you
00:42:24.980 --> 00:42:28.130
just hear that? I was like, absolutely I did.
00:42:28.269 --> 00:42:32.730
It was a growl. And from that moment on, For
00:42:32.730 --> 00:42:34.989
the rest of the night, I was shitting myself,
00:42:36.099 --> 00:42:39.179
so terrified. So that's that's another one that
00:42:39.179 --> 00:42:41.840
we're all going to we're all going to go to.
00:42:42.800 --> 00:42:46.559
But if you ever want someone to come and tag
00:42:46.559 --> 00:42:51.460
along to that, I happily come blag my way onto
00:42:51.460 --> 00:42:54.480
that. Like it's that's that's that's a great
00:42:54.480 --> 00:42:57.000
one. Not born as well. It was I mean, it was
00:42:57.000 --> 00:43:00.449
full of junk and stuff, but it felt like. like
00:43:00.449 --> 00:43:02.329
when you went in, you were like walking on doors
00:43:02.329 --> 00:43:04.130
and stuff that had been like put down to make
00:43:04.130 --> 00:43:06.489
a sort of walkway into it. But you just felt
00:43:06.489 --> 00:43:09.670
like you'd been watched in there. Horrible feeling.
00:43:10.130 --> 00:43:12.610
It's a horrible place. Horrible place. In the
00:43:12.610 --> 00:43:16.280
other place, I think Ash is going to say. So
00:43:16.280 --> 00:43:19.500
the house that cries. I know you heard of that
00:43:19.500 --> 00:43:24.860
in Wolverhampton. I've spent, I used to, I used
00:43:24.860 --> 00:43:28.440
to write for a magazine. I was the resident paranormal.
00:43:29.349 --> 00:43:36.489
It was this scientific journal called Chat. Sounds
00:43:36.489 --> 00:43:41.110
scientific. Yeah. It was called Chat. It's Fate.
00:43:41.170 --> 00:43:42.750
It was one of those magazines you get in the
00:43:42.750 --> 00:43:45.550
dentist that's got like... Oh, Chat magazine.
00:43:45.789 --> 00:43:49.670
Okay. You know what I mean? All the mental stories.
00:43:50.889 --> 00:43:53.590
My husband hit me with a hammer, but I still
00:43:53.590 --> 00:43:57.090
love him. It's all that sort of shit. And they'd
00:43:57.090 --> 00:43:58.769
have like the ghost feature and it was called
00:43:58.769 --> 00:44:00.789
Haunted Britain and every month I'd go and stay
00:44:00.789 --> 00:44:02.650
somewhere haunted. And one of the places was
00:44:02.650 --> 00:44:06.829
the house that cries. And I've got to be honest,
00:44:06.849 --> 00:44:11.869
I found it really underwhelming. Apart from the
00:44:11.869 --> 00:44:15.769
basement, when I was walking out, I heard something
00:44:15.769 --> 00:44:19.510
walking behind me and I thought it was Hazel
00:44:19.510 --> 00:44:22.050
from Haunted Happenings behind me until I turned
00:44:22.050 --> 00:44:23.550
and looked up the stairs and she was still at
00:44:23.550 --> 00:44:25.969
the top of the stairs and I was like... Then
00:44:25.969 --> 00:44:29.880
what the fuck is behind me? That was weird. What
00:44:29.880 --> 00:44:34.039
happened to you? So for me is literally we've
00:44:34.039 --> 00:44:36.340
been since as well because we've been twice this
00:44:36.340 --> 00:44:38.719
year, but that first time I can honestly say
00:44:38.719 --> 00:44:41.199
that the most terrifying night I've ever had
00:44:41.199 --> 00:44:44.039
in like any haunted location any sort of forest
00:44:44.039 --> 00:44:46.400
or graveyard or anywhere else. It was just one.
00:44:46.460 --> 00:44:49.829
It was kind of non -stop. It was just stuff had
00:44:49.829 --> 00:44:52.539
to stop happening and There's definitely something
00:44:52.539 --> 00:44:55.079
above us when we were in the big dining room
00:44:55.079 --> 00:45:00.719
area. At one point, we checked the front doors.
00:45:00.860 --> 00:45:02.159
There has to be someone in the house with us
00:45:02.159 --> 00:45:04.500
because we could hear people in the hallway in
00:45:04.500 --> 00:45:07.739
the main lobby by the stairs. Greg, at least,
00:45:07.860 --> 00:45:09.880
you've grabbed cameras and money around the house.
00:45:10.059 --> 00:45:11.639
There has to be someone, because we did a live
00:45:11.639 --> 00:45:13.539
stream and stuff, and we sometimes let people
00:45:13.539 --> 00:45:15.940
know where we're going. Someone could have come
00:45:15.940 --> 00:45:18.539
and is actually playing with us. It's like, did
00:45:18.539 --> 00:45:19.960
we actually lock the front door properly? Did
00:45:19.960 --> 00:45:21.900
we put the catch across? It's like, there has
00:45:21.900 --> 00:45:24.420
to be someone in this house. We literally run
00:45:24.420 --> 00:45:25.659
around the house thinking there's got to be someone
00:45:25.659 --> 00:45:28.079
in here. Obviously there wasn't. It was just
00:45:28.079 --> 00:45:30.860
like the bangs, the noise. It was like people
00:45:30.860 --> 00:45:34.780
talking. We could hear, but we could hear it
00:45:34.780 --> 00:45:38.500
going off. It's just, again, the basement. It's
00:45:38.500 --> 00:45:41.510
just like, it just wasn't, it was sort of nonstop.
00:45:41.789 --> 00:45:43.929
And again, we were in the kitchen having a bit
00:45:43.929 --> 00:45:47.260
of a debrief. And we had the same cameras that
00:45:47.260 --> 00:45:49.639
motion and sound activated. And it activated
00:45:49.639 --> 00:45:52.159
again while we're in the kitchen. So Emma's got
00:45:52.159 --> 00:45:55.860
a phone. Oh my God. So it sounds like, it's hard
00:45:55.860 --> 00:45:57.420
to know what it's saying, but it gets activated
00:45:57.449 --> 00:46:00.429
in the dining room area. And all you can hear
00:46:00.429 --> 00:46:04.750
is it's something like, help me. Like right next
00:46:04.750 --> 00:46:07.130
to the camera in the room. So we're like, what
00:46:07.130 --> 00:46:08.750
the fuck? Cause we've got it all in, cause we
00:46:08.750 --> 00:46:10.369
film for like YouTube and stuff as well and for
00:46:10.369 --> 00:46:12.809
TikTok. It's like, Oh my God, like film, like
00:46:12.809 --> 00:46:14.329
what the fuck is happening? Like that's happening.
00:46:14.829 --> 00:46:18.329
in the room, like, and just through the lobby
00:46:18.329 --> 00:46:23.730
from us this, help me, like awful, demonic voice
00:46:23.730 --> 00:46:28.230
whisper. It's like, fucking hell. It's very active.
00:46:28.389 --> 00:46:30.130
The second time we went, it wasn't as active.
00:46:31.150 --> 00:46:33.570
So the second time, after that first experience,
00:46:33.750 --> 00:46:34.929
it was a little underwhelming. It was like, oh
00:46:34.929 --> 00:46:36.510
my God, I've got to go back. And nothing was
00:46:36.510 --> 00:46:38.730
happening again, but I, a hundred percent go
00:46:38.730 --> 00:46:42.710
back, fucking any night. Yeah, there's a place.
00:46:42.929 --> 00:46:46.610
There's a place called Little Dean Jail in the
00:46:46.610 --> 00:46:49.190
Forrester Dean that is well worth having a look
00:46:49.190 --> 00:46:51.469
into. The guy who owns it is a guy called Andy.
00:46:52.469 --> 00:46:56.090
And so it's an old prison and he's converted
00:46:56.090 --> 00:47:00.010
it into a museum of the macabre. And there was
00:47:00.010 --> 00:47:03.250
a Netflix documentary called The Dark Tourist.
00:47:03.989 --> 00:47:06.869
And he went to it and he's got like each of the
00:47:06.869 --> 00:47:10.170
cells is like themed. So like there's the, there's
00:47:10.170 --> 00:47:12.590
the Fred West cell, which is full of lots of
00:47:12.590 --> 00:47:15.690
the bricks from Cromwell street and a lot of
00:47:15.690 --> 00:47:23.420
Fred's tools. Honestly, there's an ISIS room
00:47:23.510 --> 00:47:29.010
with videos constantly playing. It's dark. It's
00:47:29.010 --> 00:47:32.820
dark. And he's got like a diorama of a world
00:47:32.820 --> 00:47:37.880
war two scene. It's controversial. But that place
00:47:37.880 --> 00:47:42.480
is, that's freaky. That's again an odd energy.
00:47:43.039 --> 00:47:45.480
A thing of having all these things from around
00:47:45.480 --> 00:47:48.260
the world, if you believe that things hold on
00:47:48.260 --> 00:47:51.039
to energy and stuff, you know, the bricks from
00:47:51.039 --> 00:47:56.070
Cromwell Street and, you know, a lot of the literally
00:47:56.070 --> 00:47:57.869
stuff that I can't describe because it would
00:47:57.869 --> 00:48:01.800
get you demonetized to whatever it is on YouTube.
00:48:03.139 --> 00:48:07.670
Yeah, like dark energies in there. Ash, that's
00:48:07.670 --> 00:48:09.449
only about an hour from my house as far as the
00:48:09.449 --> 00:48:15.480
Dean. Even just go during the day, just have
00:48:15.480 --> 00:48:17.380
a look around it as an exhibit and you'll spend
00:48:17.380 --> 00:48:19.539
all day there and you'll still never see everything.
00:48:20.199 --> 00:48:29.039
It is really unique. I've just written that down.
00:48:32.139 --> 00:48:36.400
Brace yourself and leave your moral compass at
00:48:36.400 --> 00:48:38.989
the door is what I'd say. I leave that usually
00:48:38.989 --> 00:48:49.139
when I go out the store. Wow. Okay. I mean, I
00:48:49.139 --> 00:48:53.739
don't know. Yeah. Why not? Why not? I think we're
00:48:53.739 --> 00:48:57.579
open. We're open to sorts of anything at this
00:48:57.579 --> 00:49:02.340
point. Yeah. Yeah. At this point. Yeah. Yeah.
00:49:02.500 --> 00:49:06.380
Wow. I don't know what else to say really on
00:49:06.380 --> 00:49:10.360
that. Sorry, I'm going to put in the kibosh on
00:49:10.360 --> 00:49:12.300
things. I'm going to end in conversations and
00:49:12.300 --> 00:49:14.460
people walking off shuffling, looking at the
00:49:14.460 --> 00:49:23.789
code. What other sort of aspects of the paranormal
00:49:23.789 --> 00:49:27.230
are you into? So like, what are your thoughts
00:49:27.230 --> 00:49:32.369
on cryptids and Bigfoot and UAP and whatnot?
00:49:33.070 --> 00:49:37.510
I've sort of never been that sort of... Like
00:49:37.510 --> 00:49:39.349
if they found the Loch Ness Monster, I don't
00:49:39.349 --> 00:49:42.170
think I'd be that blown away because it's like
00:49:42.170 --> 00:49:45.449
we find a new spider every week. Do you know?
00:49:45.949 --> 00:49:49.409
For me, I don't think there's anything that shocking
00:49:49.409 --> 00:49:52.010
about, oh, there's a creature that we just haven't
00:49:52.010 --> 00:49:54.710
found yet. It's like, of course, like we haven't,
00:49:54.750 --> 00:49:56.889
we know more about space than we do the ocean.
00:49:57.389 --> 00:49:59.829
You know, of course, there's fucking weird creatures.
00:50:00.090 --> 00:50:03.070
I just, I've never found them sort of. It's like
00:50:03.070 --> 00:50:06.170
if there is a tuber cabra, it's like. I know
00:50:06.170 --> 00:50:09.650
it's like mythical and scary but you know if
00:50:09.650 --> 00:50:11.650
there was more of them they'd just be a pest
00:50:11.650 --> 00:50:14.610
there'd be a bloke whose job it is to shoot them
00:50:14.610 --> 00:50:17.030
do you know what I mean it's it's like if there
00:50:17.030 --> 00:50:20.349
was just more there'd be a problem like killing
00:50:20.349 --> 00:50:25.530
goats and yeah so I don't like I find them normal
00:50:25.530 --> 00:50:29.590
to the point of like not exciting because I'm
00:50:29.590 --> 00:50:34.929
like yeah probably quite likely does exist, you
00:50:34.929 --> 00:50:38.630
know. I think science and nature will throw weird
00:50:38.630 --> 00:50:41.510
things up all the time. There's things that get
00:50:41.510 --> 00:50:44.030
me that get me interested, like the Gelatov Pass
00:50:44.030 --> 00:50:49.429
incident just, you know. I read somebody told
00:50:49.429 --> 00:50:52.349
me probably the most convincing explanation for
00:50:52.349 --> 00:50:55.190
it. But even then, there's a lot of things the
00:50:55.190 --> 00:50:57.409
explanations don't cover, like, you know, the
00:50:57.409 --> 00:50:59.710
amount of radiation, some of the burn marks on
00:50:59.710 --> 00:51:02.429
the trees, the lights that were seen over the
00:51:02.429 --> 00:51:06.150
Ural Mountains at the time. And yet that's that
00:51:06.150 --> 00:51:09.289
to me is just a dark story that we just never
00:51:09.289 --> 00:51:15.610
know the truth to. Yeah, I agree. I wanted to
00:51:15.610 --> 00:51:18.730
sort of ask. What's it like amongst your peers
00:51:18.730 --> 00:51:22.010
with sort of this whole, the whole, there's a
00:51:22.010 --> 00:51:23.849
lot of obviously piss taken between comedians
00:51:23.849 --> 00:51:25.829
anyway. And like Steve Harris on the show, he
00:51:25.829 --> 00:51:28.349
was big into more into aliens and stuff. Obviously
00:51:28.349 --> 00:51:30.489
there's a lot of shows sort of funded by comedians
00:51:30.489 --> 00:51:33.010
and stuff. Yeah. In the past, like Craig Charles
00:51:33.010 --> 00:51:34.469
does or John Thompson has done stuff. There's
00:51:34.469 --> 00:51:36.889
all these different kinds of things. What's it,
00:51:36.929 --> 00:51:38.889
what is it, is it more of a big interest sort
00:51:38.889 --> 00:51:40.949
of professionally or personally, or is it more.
00:51:41.039 --> 00:51:43.739
the piss taking that you come across. I think
00:51:43.739 --> 00:51:46.880
the piss taking is more relentless than that.
00:51:47.000 --> 00:51:50.239
In a group, everybody will get stuck in. When
00:51:50.239 --> 00:51:52.300
you get people one on one, people have always
00:51:52.300 --> 00:51:54.480
got a story that they'll whisper to you, but
00:51:54.480 --> 00:51:56.360
they don't want to say in front of everyone else
00:51:56.360 --> 00:52:00.139
because they don't want to lose their cool. And
00:52:00.139 --> 00:52:04.199
like, you know, I took a load of comedians into
00:52:04.199 --> 00:52:07.699
30 East Drive a few years ago and it was amazing
00:52:07.699 --> 00:52:11.380
how quick the bravado disappears when It's like,
00:52:11.440 --> 00:52:13.920
OK, well, we split up. Now you go in that room,
00:52:14.039 --> 00:52:16.199
you go in that room. People are like, no, I'm
00:52:16.199 --> 00:52:19.219
just going to stay down here with everyone. It's
00:52:19.219 --> 00:52:22.119
like, oh, but I thought it was all nonsense.
00:52:23.260 --> 00:52:28.199
Phil Ellis. Sorry to throw Phil under the bus.
00:52:30.360 --> 00:52:35.219
Brilliant. So, yeah, yeah, it's it's it's pristine.
00:52:35.400 --> 00:52:39.639
But you know what? It depends on it. If you take
00:52:39.639 --> 00:52:45.090
things to heart. or not, and it never, you know,
00:52:45.090 --> 00:52:48.690
I just think, oh, well, if you, I'm never bothered.
00:52:49.050 --> 00:52:51.329
And I always just think, why don't you do this
00:52:51.329 --> 00:52:54.409
with other people's belief in afterlifes? Why
00:52:54.409 --> 00:52:56.449
are we not getting stuck into some of the religious
00:52:56.449 --> 00:53:00.210
people on the circuit? Why is my belief and faith
00:53:00.210 --> 00:53:03.730
fine to rip the piss out of? Because there's
00:53:03.730 --> 00:53:07.730
lots of other people who, you know, you know,
00:53:07.789 --> 00:53:10.829
that's a nice hypocrisy that everyone lives by.
00:53:13.519 --> 00:53:16.900
So do you have any theories on what a ghost is?
00:53:17.239 --> 00:53:19.179
Like these experiences you've had or you've read
00:53:19.179 --> 00:53:21.239
about in research or these places you've been
00:53:21.239 --> 00:53:23.639
to, any sort of theory that you sort of like
00:53:23.639 --> 00:53:27.380
to go to, to what is a ghost? I'm so conflicted.
00:53:27.719 --> 00:53:30.039
I really like, from a scientific point of view,
00:53:30.139 --> 00:53:32.880
I really like the stone tape theory because it's,
00:53:32.880 --> 00:53:35.699
it feels like one day science might be able to
00:53:35.699 --> 00:53:39.760
explain it that way, but that doesn't. answer
00:53:39.760 --> 00:53:42.780
for consciousness. It doesn't answer for whatever
00:53:42.780 --> 00:53:47.929
it was that I saw. The truth is, I don't think
00:53:47.929 --> 00:53:52.269
I've got any theories. I think I'm just, I just
00:53:52.269 --> 00:53:56.590
don't know. Like, pre -seeing something, I would
00:53:56.590 --> 00:54:00.389
have said stone -tape theory as an easy get -out
00:54:00.389 --> 00:54:05.250
answer to that sort of thing. But now, I think
00:54:05.250 --> 00:54:08.280
energy hangs around. I think you can... If you
00:54:08.280 --> 00:54:10.239
can walk in somewhere and know whether it's a
00:54:10.239 --> 00:54:13.159
good, I'm a big believer in happy houses and
00:54:13.159 --> 00:54:16.019
unhappy houses. I think when you walk into somewhere,
00:54:16.880 --> 00:54:20.719
you just know if it's been a place of joy or
00:54:20.719 --> 00:54:24.980
a place of sadness. And I think the foundations
00:54:24.980 --> 00:54:27.059
and the brickwork and the ground, I think it
00:54:27.059 --> 00:54:30.460
hangs on to all those energies. So yeah, probably
00:54:30.460 --> 00:54:34.289
something along those lines. Nice one. I think
00:54:34.289 --> 00:54:36.409
final question for me as we sort of come to the
00:54:36.409 --> 00:54:39.699
hour mark is If you could go anywhere in the
00:54:39.699 --> 00:54:41.460
world, start a production company says, we're
00:54:41.460 --> 00:54:42.500
going to send you anywhere in the world. You
00:54:42.500 --> 00:54:45.039
could put up a TV show. Where would you want
00:54:45.039 --> 00:54:51.150
to go to? Pavilion Island. Okay. That island
00:54:51.150 --> 00:54:56.050
just off, just off the coast of, is it Venice?
00:54:57.110 --> 00:55:00.449
It's yeah, the place that was where they took
00:55:00.449 --> 00:55:02.909
all the plague victims. And just cause it wasn't
00:55:02.909 --> 00:55:05.110
creepy enough, they built an asylum there as
00:55:05.110 --> 00:55:08.869
well and put a mad doctor in it. Just. You know
00:55:08.869 --> 00:55:15.070
that that place just looks intense Yeah, I really
00:55:15.070 --> 00:55:20.989
like sort of old Hospitals and asylums. I'm a
00:55:20.989 --> 00:55:24.010
big foot. There's a series of games called Silent
00:55:24.010 --> 00:55:30.250
Hill and I look that sort of decaying Like, you
00:55:30.250 --> 00:55:32.489
know, and you know when paint peels off walls
00:55:32.489 --> 00:55:36.469
when it's just left It's it's it's own there's
00:55:36.469 --> 00:55:39.949
almost a beauty to it this Rotting decay and
00:55:39.949 --> 00:55:43.130
yeah buildings like that. I really likes it's
00:55:43.130 --> 00:55:45.570
Not only is it creepy you can feel the history
00:55:45.570 --> 00:55:48.449
and yeah, I think someone like Pavilion would
00:55:48.449 --> 00:55:51.829
be yeah, that's up there. How about you out of
00:55:51.829 --> 00:56:02.909
curiosity? So for me, I would love to go to Stardust
00:56:02.909 --> 00:56:09.449
Ranch. Oh Yeah, so you've got area 51 You've
00:56:09.449 --> 00:56:11.849
got Skinwalker Ranch, but you've got Stardust
00:56:11.849 --> 00:56:15.130
Ranch. And we interviewed the guy that owned
00:56:15.130 --> 00:56:19.949
it. And it's one of the few interviews that we've
00:56:19.949 --> 00:56:23.960
sort of come off of and gone, what happened there?
00:56:24.099 --> 00:56:27.559
What conversation did we just have with this
00:56:27.559 --> 00:56:30.639
guy? It was a nightmare to sort out. He didn't
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have the internet. We had to ring a mobile in
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America. A landline. A landline, sorry. And we
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were on Skype. And it was just the weirdest conversation.
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And I think I'd want to go there. That would
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be the place for me, based on what I know about
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his experiences there. Out of everywhere, that's
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the one, I think. Yeah. How about you, Ash? I
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think for me, probably a bit of a boring one,
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I don't know, is the Paris Catacombs. but not
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the sort of one you can go to. I've seen videos
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of people like, have to go to sort of insiders
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and sort of all these areas that you can't normally
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go to. When they go off, off piste. Yeah. So
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that's literally wading through like waste high
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water to get to these, this part of the catacombs
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and stuff. And the police always block up the
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entrances and exits so you can sort of get in
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and then can't get out because you're just sort
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of. where you're not supposed to be in the part
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of the catacombs. And some of the videos I've
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seen from that is just, you're literally crawling
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through tons of bones to get to where you need
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to get to go in there and stuff. And as for watching
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videos, I would love to be crawling over these
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bones. I don't know why, but it's not too far
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away. It's probably a lot cheaper to get to Paris
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than Arizona. It's on fire at the minute. So
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probably the best time. Probably some more bones
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going down there, I think. Well, yeah, thank
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you, Barry. No worries. Thanks for having me
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on. And yeah, I'll stay on when you stop recording.
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So I can say bye properly. But yeah, thank you
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for having me. Really appreciate your time. Thank
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you. No worries.