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I thought Most Haunted was great. You know, it

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did. I think when Most Haunted started, maybe

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for the first three or four series, I think they

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had good intentions. I think they were trying

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to do it properly. And then the last one that

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I watched was when they were live in 30 East

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Drive with Paul O 'Grady and Ryland. I enjoyed

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that. I enjoyed that. It was just, it was too,

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it was too much. The subtlety had gone and you

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could, and then, cause I know the guy who owns

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the house and he was like, yeah, they did this,

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this and this. And it was like, he, so it was

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really disappointing. Cause it was like, I'd

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much rather just watch a show where nothing happens.

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And I know that one tiny thing might be real

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as opposed to it being action packed and just

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thinking, well, this is clearly all nonsense,

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you know? But they did that in the early most

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home. It's nothing would happen. They'd walk

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around going, well, we didn't say anything tonight,

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but it was nice having a look around Applehampton

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Hall. Welcome Barry Dodds to Pursuit the Power

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Normal. Thank you very much for taking time to

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talk to us. How are you doing? Hi, I'm very well.

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Thank you. I'm very well. I'm in a, in a weird

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bit of a sort of crisis about my internet connection

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because I live next to next to a big river. And

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if we get the prerequisite amount of English

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rainfall, then everything floods and the internet

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goes off. So I'm currently tethered to the internet

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by 80s finger, it feels like. So if the sound

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goes weird, tell me and I'll fix it. Nice one.

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Nice one. So we're going to start talking paranormal

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ghosts and stuff. But before that, you got to

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sort of just intro yourself as a person who is,

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who is Barry Dodds in your bit of background

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for the people that might not know who you are.

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So I'm. primarily a stand -up comedian, working

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the comedy circuit for about 24 years now. And

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my sort of side interest or side job, like my

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little, my little, I can't remember what it's

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called, side hustle, as I think the government

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like to call it. um is uh the paranormal and

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ghosts and ghost hunting but not not as a sort

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of like business but it's like a passion project

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so i've been ghost hunting since i was 13 i think

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i did my first first one and i'm 45 now so it's

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uh it's been in my life a long time longer than

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i've been doing it as well and i'm older than

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you is but um so wow so what got you into The

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paranormal then. It was so, I think I'm, I think

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I'm drawn in my life to things that scare me.

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Like I get, like as a kid, I was really, really

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shy and quiet. And like the last thing I would

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ever have done would be doing a job that's first

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of all, public speaking. And then secondly, probably

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the hardest form of that, which is stand up where

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people can actually make it difficult for you.

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but I always got, but I get a rush from it. And

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it's the same with the ghost thing in that I

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got told ghost stories when I was when I was

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like nine or 10 by my cousin up in a place called

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Amblin in Northumberland. I used to say at bananas

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in the summer holidays and I used to love hearing

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the ghost stories. And then the second the lights

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went off at the end of the day, pure terror,

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just absolutely just terrified of it, found it

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so intensely frightening. And then the next day

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after being exhausted, it was like, I can't wait

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to do that again. I can't wait to hear more ghost

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stories. And so it's like that rush. Fundamentally,

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it terrifies me. It absolutely terrifies me.

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And then going and doing my first ever ghost

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hunts with a radio station in the Northeast just

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hooked me for life. It was like utterly terrifying,

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but like really addictive, that fear and that

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adrenaline. So yeah, it's just, yeah, just an

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interest in it really, just being interested

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in the idea of it all. It's quite a weird way

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to try and describe that kind of adrenaline.

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So people are like, why, when I talk about it

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at work and people are like, you're mental, you

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go into graveyards at two in the morning on your

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own and stuff. It's like, I can't explain that

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feeling when you're there. And you want to be

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scared, but you don't. It's like, I want something

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to happen, but that's like, do I want something

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to happen? Cause I'm on my own. It's that weird,

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like say that adrenaline. Yeah. I've, I've sort

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of had that because it's always, it's always

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fun. It's like going on, it's like going on a

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roller coaster. You know, it's potentially terrifying.

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You know, there's going to be adrenaline because

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the thing's going to flip you and spin you around

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and everything. But so you're going to be scared,

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but in the back of your mind, you're like, I

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know I'm safe. you know, I know I'm strapped

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in and this thing's safe and it's been checked

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and it's going to be all right. And I'm definitely

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going to get off at the end of it. And then,

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you know, I had one experience in my life where

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all of a sudden I was looking for ghosts on this

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metaphorical roller coaster and all of a sudden

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the lap bar came up and it's like, no, here's

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that thing that you're looking for. And it's

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like, oh, that's not what I expected. And it

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scared the shit out of me. So, yeah, be careful

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what you wish for. What was that experience?

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It was when I was making a film a few years ago

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and I was in a vault in the underground streets

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in Edinburgh. And we were like shooting a scene

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and, you know, it wasn't scripted or anything.

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It was sort of me trying to, you know, get evidence

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of a ghost with a skeptic. And, and we told,

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we were like mucking around because it was comedy.

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And, and what it felt like, so we'd come to the

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natural end of the scene that we were filming

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and it sort of felt a bit like, yeah, we're done.

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And I can remember just turning to look at the

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crew was kind of like, oh, we finished and, and

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just behind them in this vault, there was something

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stood in the corner. And don't know what it was.

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I mean, I'm hesitant to call it a ghost because

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I just don't know what it was, but it was really

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tall and it had some, it was either like long

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hair or some sort of hood or something coming

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down and it had like sort of slimmed in sort

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of ovalish face. And I could say like dark recesses

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where some eyes were. And it was just like, just

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stood in the corner. I remember looking at it

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and instantly like, that like breath in and then

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reaching to point for it. And then in that second,

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it moving forward. And and that was that was

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enough to send me moving in the other direction

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really, really fast. And it was. Yeah. You know,

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like when people talk about saying ghosts and

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getting, you know, like, oh, you know, so my

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grandmother or I got this thing or even when

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it's like I woke up and there was a dark shadow

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at the end of the bed or. whatever, it's like,

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this felt really unwelcoming. It felt unpleasant.

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And I don't, I just don't know what it was. And

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yeah, it asks more questions than it answers.

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Definitely. So like you sort of said, you had

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this interest since you were a teenager, pretty

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much. How, like sort of, so growing up, did it

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kind of influence sort of your hobbies and stuff?

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Cause I, I've had UFOs since I was like 10. and

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I was always the weird kid at school. I was the

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one that was into aliens and stuff as a 10 year

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old in the 90s. It was always the weird kid.

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Was that kind of similar for you or was it more

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something you've done more as an adult, you know,

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you had that interest? I was always the weird

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kid at school. You know, I was always like the

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one who believed in ghosts, the one who liked

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ghost stories and horror films essentially, you

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know, that, you know, like I was the... You know,

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there was a stigma, and I think there still is

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a stigma, really, like, if you like horror films,

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then you are just a little Fred West in waiting.

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You know, it's like, if you like horror, then

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you definitely... And I've got to say, in reality,

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I think most people who I've met who are like

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hardcore horror fans tend to be the gentlest

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people going, and they tend to be very passionate

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about... I think they're more dedicated to the

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art of cinema than somebody who goes and watches,

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I don't know, like a rom -com in the cinema or

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some Richard Curtis thing. I think horror fans

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are passionate. But at school, if you're into

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horror, you're the weird kid. And my favorite

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band is and was Erasure. So that just... Yeah,

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there's lots of red flags there. There's a lot

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for the bullies to pick from. So it's like the

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heavy metal community, like in the heavy metal

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community. get looked on as like the scary, must

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be so scary when it's the nicest group of people.

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You will be so safe in a heavy metal crowd than

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any other type of concert crowd. I've got to

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say I've done download festival a few times as

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a performer and as an audience, like I'd much

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rather have that tent full of like 500 metalers

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than I would like 500 people at like, I don't

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know what they saw or what would have been Leeds

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and Reading, you know, or Tea in the Park, you

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know, that sort of that's more frightening than

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download because there's an odd, it feels like

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there's almost like a code of respect amongst

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amongst people who are into that because, you

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know, it's passionate. Although having said that,

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I did the comedy tent once and I saw somebody

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on stage having a really miserable time. And

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just out of nowhere, someone threw a mouse trap.

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just this mousetrap just came through the hair

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and it hit him in the chest and that went and

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he picked it up and he did the worst thing he

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could have done was he picked it up got annoyed

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and threw it back oh god and then carried on

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then all of a sudden like four mousetraps came

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flying somebody somebody brought a pack of mousetraps

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into download to lob at the axe the door like

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so it's quite quite inventive i suppose Yeah,

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I've never heard that before. Because they check

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you for any serious weapons. If you turn up,

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they're just saying, probably just doesn't want

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any mice around his tent, but no. I'm trying

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to think what could be worse than 500 reading

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goers. Let's think about maybe 500 Swifties.

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They hear quite vicious stories of Swift fans.

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Or 100 latitude festival goers. Oh God, that

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would be tedious. Just, oh my God, like, not

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even drinking, not even drinking. At least, at

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least download, like, I'd rather have them on

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drugs than I would have them on a Starbucks.

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You know what I mean? I'd rather it was a bit

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more, a bit more fun. But yeah, I think when

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you get communities like that who are sort of

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pushed to the sideline and written off, I think

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there is a sort of, I think it's the same with

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the paranormal. community I suppose you kind

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of just go all right you think we're weird right

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that's fine we'll just go and do our own thing

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and literally just leave you to it and they exist

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in a happier non -judgmental world just doing

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what makes them happy really. It's interesting

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you mention about like horror films and I think

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I get a similar feeling when I'm watching a horror

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film as I do when I'm walking around Delamere

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Forest. midnight, 1am, thinking all the films

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I've been watching over those years, please do

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and don't come out of the woodwork right now.

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Because A, it'd be great for content if nothing

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else. But B, that would just freak me out because

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I can, I know how horror films generally end,

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and they don't generally end in a very good way.

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Certainly for the sort of the protagonist of

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the film is usually a friend of theirs that gets

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taken in the woods or or something like that.

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So, yeah, sorry. I just say those films like

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the Blair Witch and stuff, it just because they're

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so realistic, they get in your head. And, you

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know, if the Blair Witch was some demon running

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along, ripping trees down, it wouldn't be scary.

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It's the fact that it's it's what your own mind

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creates. You know, when you're alone in the woods

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and you hear a noise, you fill in the gaps yourself.

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And that's always more frightening. Yeah, it

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is. And I think horror films unlock that part

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of your senses, like a paranormal investigation

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does. There's that unknown bit. And in a horror

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film, they always build the tension. You get

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that sinking feeling because you know something

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bad is going to happen. Whereas on a rom -com,

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you kind of know right from the start exactly

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how it's going to pan out. They're going to fall

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in love and they're going to be happily ever

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after. In a horror film, it can go... anybody

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can get taken at any time that that dread that

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sort of feeling that exhilaration you can get

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from a horror film. Yeah, there's no safety net.

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There is no safety net and found footage as well.

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That's another that's my favorite sort of style

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or genre of horror film, because it puts you

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right, right in there as well. So you're part

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right in the part of that investigation. So have

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you seen I'm aware it's a controversial one for

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some obvious reasons, but have you seen like

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Cannibal Holocaust? I haven't. I haven't seen

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that one. It's a classic film. That's the original

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found footage and there's something about the

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rawness and intensity of that that is unmatched

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in any sort of film that I've seen. It's hard

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going. It's hard going, but in terms of found

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footage, I mean, I think I think the one horror

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film that's that wrong that removes the safety

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net completely is it's a British film called

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Eden Lake, which is Michael Fassbender and Maggie

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Riley just staying in the woods in the Midlands,

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just by a lake having one. He's getting ready

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to propose just some chavs turn up, decide to

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make their life. a nightmare in the woods. And

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I've never come away from a film feeling like

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I'd been beaten up and like it actually like

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affected me for about a week. I came away from

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it feeling real despair. I think I don't know

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if I say the name rings a bell. So I'm going

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to have to check that out. Eden Lake's incredible.

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One of the most effective horror. I think there's

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something about that, about when people are taken

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out of like what you presume is safe becomes

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unsafe. Like there's a French film called Inside,

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which is like a home invasion movie, which is,

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you know, anything in your house, anything in

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your safe place, you know, where everything becomes

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a threat and everything becomes a weapon. It's,

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yes, frightening, frightening. And I think, you

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know, with those found footage ones, it's like,

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did you see one called Host that was made in

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the pandemic? Yeah. Oh, God, that probably the

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most I've jumped like the scene where she throws

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the sheet in behind her. And there's something.

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Oh, my God. That really scared me. That is the

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one for me is Blair Witch. I saw that at the

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cinema. That shows how old I was. I saw it in

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the cinema as well. And this and It was weird

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with that, because everyone was kind of walking

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out going, what was that? But I came out shaking.

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I think it depends whether you let it get to

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you or not. But the other one, the other one

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is the McPherson tapes. I don't know if you've

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seen that. Do you know what? I've got it on.

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It's like a Blu -ray double thing. It's the McPherson

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tapes and is it called the Stone Tapes or something?

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I've got it. I've got it to watch. I still haven't

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got around to watching it. It's the one that

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terrifies me worse than some of the horror films,

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like classic horror films, like ghosts and stuff,

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because the whole alien thing just freaks me

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out. The ghosts and that, I seem to have made

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peace with the fact that we go ghost. hunting.

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Me and Ash go out all the time. We go out with

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my partner and a sister. We go out all the time

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to all these places doing all this weird stuff.

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But the alien thing gets me. I don't know why.

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I think it's maybe because we speak to people

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and they've had these interactions where things

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have come into their house while they're asleep

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and taking them out of the house. And I'm like,

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what the fuck? I mean, that you're not actually

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in it. you've got a ghost and you can kind of

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go, wow, you never really hear of a ghost hurt

00:18:01.769 --> 00:18:06.349
in anybody. But people we've spoken to with alien

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interactions doesn't appear to be pleasant. And

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I'm thinking, what the fuck am I? How do you,

00:18:13.309 --> 00:18:15.349
you can't even defend yourself. You can't do

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anything. So I think that touched on me as being

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absolutely horrific. And I hate watching that

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film from that aspect. I'm going to have to watch

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this. There was something on, I can't remember

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how I stumbled across it. It was just like, just

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putting random things on, on the telly one night.

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And it was, I didn't even see the title of it.

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It just had the actress in it going, I can't

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remember who it was. It was like, she was like,

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hi, my name's Kate Blanchett and I play this

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character in this movie. This story is true.

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And I. and nothing's been made up and I watched

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it and it was like found footage of what happened

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to this and they were like these are the in the

00:19:05.779 --> 00:19:08.559
scenes that I made these are acted in the scenes

00:19:08.559 --> 00:19:10.640
with the tapes those are the genuine footage

00:19:10.640 --> 00:19:15.579
now and it jesus christ it scared me and it wasn't

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it was only until after I found out it was fake

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I think it was called the fourth kind I was like

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watching it going, there's the evidence. How

00:19:25.119 --> 00:19:27.799
is there any debate about this? How is there

00:19:27.799 --> 00:19:30.500
any debate about this whatsoever? And then I

00:19:30.500 --> 00:19:32.039
only got tricked into another one where they

00:19:32.039 --> 00:19:35.619
found a mermaid, but I checked the IMDB on that

00:19:35.619 --> 00:19:43.779
before I went to four. By any chance. Ash is

00:19:43.779 --> 00:19:46.819
probably too young to know what that is. I quite

00:19:46.819 --> 00:19:49.140
fancied her in that, but it really does leave

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you in a moral dilemma. It does. Absolutely.

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Absolutely. H2O, I think that's the... Far as

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I know. H2O. I don't even know what that is.

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Is that Friday the 13th? That's Halloween, isn't

00:20:04.230 --> 00:20:08.630
it? Yeah. H2O? No, it's water. I don't know.

00:20:09.109 --> 00:20:15.369
What? H2O is water. Yeah, I know that. Oh, God,

00:20:15.690 --> 00:20:17.869
Ash. We're showing our age. No, it's us showing

00:20:17.869 --> 00:20:21.609
our age and remembering what age 2 -0 was. I

00:20:21.609 --> 00:20:24.109
remember when Halloween was only 20 years old.

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It's crazy. Like Aliens has just had its 40th

00:20:28.069 --> 00:20:32.009
anniversary release. That's mental. 40. Yeah.

00:20:32.769 --> 00:20:35.069
Well, I remember Star Wars coming out. Well,

00:20:35.069 --> 00:20:36.750
I don't remember Star Wars coming out. Just clarify.

00:20:36.970 --> 00:20:39.589
It came out the year I was born. So I don't remember

00:20:39.589 --> 00:20:42.470
it coming out. I've never seen that. That will

00:20:42.470 --> 00:20:47.450
age me. The original Star Wars. Yeah. Yeah. I

00:20:47.450 --> 00:20:49.450
always avoided that when you know when something's

00:20:49.450 --> 00:20:52.210
too in pop culture and you just think it's kind

00:20:52.210 --> 00:20:54.170
of ruined. It's a bit like, I don't think anyone

00:20:54.170 --> 00:20:56.190
could sit and watch The Exorcist now and find

00:20:56.190 --> 00:21:00.170
it scary because you've seen it parodied too

00:21:00.170 --> 00:21:02.329
much. You're like, you know her head's going

00:21:02.329 --> 00:21:05.420
to spin around, you know she's going to throw

00:21:05.420 --> 00:21:08.700
up pea soup and so it's not scary. But I remember

00:21:08.700 --> 00:21:11.400
at one point it was frightening. But then you've

00:21:11.400 --> 00:21:15.140
got films now. So paranormal activity. That's

00:21:15.140 --> 00:21:18.099
another one for me. It's done so well and so

00:21:18.099 --> 00:21:24.119
subtle that I feel that is that to me is more

00:21:24.119 --> 00:21:28.220
what I would expect a poltergeist to be like

00:21:28.220 --> 00:21:33.099
in my house. If I had that really terrified me

00:21:33.099 --> 00:21:34.980
as well. For me, it was the bit when she goes

00:21:34.980 --> 00:21:38.140
up into the loft and you just see like half a

00:21:38.140 --> 00:21:42.579
burnt picture and it's like, Oh God. It's those

00:21:42.579 --> 00:21:44.759
little things, a little bit of sound design and

00:21:44.759 --> 00:21:48.359
just it really is less is more. Like, you know,

00:21:48.380 --> 00:21:51.119
if it came in, you know, breathing fire with

00:21:51.119 --> 00:21:54.759
red eyes, you'd be like, this is shite. But just

00:21:54.759 --> 00:21:56.279
the little things, just seeing the footsteps

00:21:56.279 --> 00:22:00.279
and the flower is just enough. I think like ghost

00:22:00.279 --> 00:22:03.359
watch, you know, you only saw pipes a few times.

00:22:03.839 --> 00:22:08.500
Changed my life that. That was probably one of

00:22:08.500 --> 00:22:10.859
the big things that got me into ghosts. That

00:22:10.859 --> 00:22:16.579
was horrific. I was 11 when I saw that. And I

00:22:17.000 --> 00:22:18.940
think there's a lot of people, I think there's

00:22:18.940 --> 00:22:21.460
a lot of ghost hunting companies who are still

00:22:21.460 --> 00:22:24.640
doing very well on a business front. Thanks to

00:22:24.640 --> 00:22:30.220
Sarah Green and Parky. Have you seen that Ash?

00:22:30.640 --> 00:22:32.000
Have you seen Ghostbusters? I've still not watched

00:22:32.000 --> 00:22:33.500
it. You've talked about it so much, I've still

00:22:33.500 --> 00:22:36.579
not watched it. I don't know if it will still

00:22:36.579 --> 00:22:39.799
hold up. Based on what we do now and I'm not

00:22:39.799 --> 00:22:44.180
entirely sure but other time It's so it sort

00:22:44.180 --> 00:22:47.539
of doesn't the problem is is and I feel bad saying

00:22:47.539 --> 00:22:50.859
this but the acting is really bad and But they

00:22:50.859 --> 00:22:53.400
do act like there's at the time there was no

00:22:53.400 --> 00:22:57.079
way that they did it was so well researched and

00:22:57.079 --> 00:22:59.400
done It was like what happens when you do a live

00:22:59.400 --> 00:23:02.619
outside broadcast light. Oh, you know, it's not

00:23:02.619 --> 00:23:04.859
perfect You'll see the crew the boom will come

00:23:04.859 --> 00:23:10.579
into shot. Yeah It does all the little things

00:23:10.579 --> 00:23:13.400
wrong that happen in a live broadcast that make

00:23:13.400 --> 00:23:17.559
you kind of go, oh, this is legit, you know?

00:23:17.720 --> 00:23:20.259
And, you know, the BBC are sort of embarrassed

00:23:20.259 --> 00:23:23.279
by it. They've swept it under the carpet, which

00:23:23.279 --> 00:23:30.299
the BBC are very good at. But BFI have put it

00:23:30.299 --> 00:23:33.180
out and 88 Films have given it a really nice

00:23:33.180 --> 00:23:37.230
release as well. It's worth seeing. part of British

00:23:37.230 --> 00:23:39.869
TV history. Yeah, no, I need to. I've been saying,

00:23:39.990 --> 00:23:41.369
I've been saying for months they're going to

00:23:41.369 --> 00:23:42.730
watch, well, years probably they're going to

00:23:42.730 --> 00:23:45.430
watch it, as Greg always talks about it. But

00:23:45.430 --> 00:23:47.450
as I grew up watching, obviously like Most Haunted,

00:23:48.670 --> 00:23:50.150
and like when they would do like the Most Haunted

00:23:50.150 --> 00:23:51.829
live and then they'd have to live stream on the

00:23:51.829 --> 00:23:54.410
internet. So it's like got in the telly, I'm

00:23:54.410 --> 00:23:56.109
sat on my computer watching the live, just staring

00:23:56.109 --> 00:23:58.970
for hours at these empty rooms, like hoping something

00:23:58.970 --> 00:24:01.710
happens and watching these cameras in these rooms

00:24:01.710 --> 00:24:03.190
and seeing other comments come up and stuff.

00:24:03.269 --> 00:24:04.869
It's really got to interact with the telly, sort

00:24:04.869 --> 00:24:08.339
of. I thought most haunted was great. You know,

00:24:08.519 --> 00:24:12.849
it, it did. I think when most haunted started,

00:24:12.890 --> 00:24:15.710
maybe for the first three or four series, I think

00:24:15.710 --> 00:24:18.990
they had good intentions. I think they were trying

00:24:18.990 --> 00:24:21.869
to do it properly. And then the last one that

00:24:21.869 --> 00:24:24.470
I watched was when they were live in 30 East

00:24:24.470 --> 00:24:28.190
drive with Paul O 'Grady and Rylan. I enjoyed

00:24:28.190 --> 00:24:32.150
that. I enjoyed that. It was just, it was too,

00:24:32.150 --> 00:24:34.849
it was too much. The subtlety had gone and you

00:24:34.849 --> 00:24:36.789
could, and then, cause I know the guy who owns

00:24:36.789 --> 00:24:39.130
the house and he was like, yeah, they did this,

00:24:39.170 --> 00:24:42.130
this and this. And it was like, so it was really

00:24:42.130 --> 00:24:44.250
disappointing. Cause it was like, I'd much rather

00:24:44.250 --> 00:24:46.789
just watch a show where nothing happens. And

00:24:46.789 --> 00:24:49.349
I know that one tiny thing might be real as opposed

00:24:49.349 --> 00:24:51.690
to it being action packed and just thinking,

00:24:51.809 --> 00:24:54.309
well, this is clearly all nonsense, you know.

00:24:54.480 --> 00:24:56.519
But they did that in the early most home. It's

00:24:56.519 --> 00:24:57.940
nothing would happen. They'd walk around going,

00:24:58.039 --> 00:24:59.779
well, we didn't say anything tonight, but it

00:24:59.779 --> 00:25:03.339
was nice having a look around Applehampton Hall,

00:25:03.519 --> 00:25:08.309
you know. So 30 days drive, that's somewhere

00:25:08.309 --> 00:25:10.690
you've been. Obviously, Bill Bungay is the guy

00:25:10.690 --> 00:25:14.970
that owns. Yeah, Bill owns it. I've spent like,

00:25:15.130 --> 00:25:17.190
I'm surprised it hasn't had me paying council

00:25:17.190 --> 00:25:24.069
tax. Spent in that house. It's it's really unique.

00:25:25.089 --> 00:25:28.900
Like it's. I don't know what's in there. I don't

00:25:28.900 --> 00:25:33.900
think it's a ghost called Fred. I think it's,

00:25:34.390 --> 00:25:37.930
or I think that maybe there was once upon a time

00:25:37.930 --> 00:25:42.910
haunting there from some individual or one singular

00:25:42.910 --> 00:25:46.750
spirit. And now it's been, you know, it's got

00:25:46.750 --> 00:25:50.690
people in 365 days. People are in that house.

00:25:50.990 --> 00:25:54.490
And I know it says there's a rule on no Ouija

00:25:54.490 --> 00:25:57.140
boards and things like that. without a doubt,

00:25:57.140 --> 00:26:00.420
it goes on. And I think once you've got somewhere

00:26:00.420 --> 00:26:03.299
like that where you've got enough people every

00:26:03.299 --> 00:26:05.220
night going, is there someone there? Is there

00:26:05.220 --> 00:26:07.319
someone there? You know, you've got enough people

00:26:07.319 --> 00:26:10.200
sort of kicking the wasps nest constantly. I

00:26:10.200 --> 00:26:13.359
feel like it's, you know, that energy building

00:26:13.359 --> 00:26:16.359
up into something and sort of creating its own

00:26:16.359 --> 00:26:18.460
thing. So because I think you can feel it in

00:26:18.460 --> 00:26:20.960
there. Like the air feels thick, you know, and

00:26:20.960 --> 00:26:25.559
it's not black mold. It's it. You can just feel

00:26:25.559 --> 00:26:29.490
it. Things have happened to you. You know, have

00:26:29.490 --> 00:26:33.549
you been in it? Yeah. Yeah. So the last time

00:26:33.549 --> 00:26:40.650
we went, we went January or February, one of

00:26:40.650 --> 00:26:45.140
them did anything happen? I had some weird stuff

00:26:45.140 --> 00:26:49.619
happen. Yeah. I won't lie. It was what happened.

00:26:50.140 --> 00:26:53.839
So we, so, um, so there's four of us that go

00:26:53.839 --> 00:26:57.700
out, me and Ash let's pursue. and then we go

00:26:57.700 --> 00:27:02.019
out with my partner and her sister to investigate.

00:27:03.279 --> 00:27:05.640
So a lot of the time if it's like an expensive

00:27:05.640 --> 00:27:09.119
place to go, we'll go as a four because we can

00:27:09.119 --> 00:27:14.000
split the costs and we can. It's a bit more approachable

00:27:14.000 --> 00:27:16.400
for normal people if you can split the cost a

00:27:16.400 --> 00:27:20.720
bit. We don't necessarily like going out with

00:27:20.720 --> 00:27:22.680
loads of people on a public night where there's

00:27:22.680 --> 00:27:25.380
like 10 or 15 people to go, I don't trust any

00:27:25.380 --> 00:27:29.829
of you. Any of you, yeah, joking, lying, like

00:27:29.829 --> 00:27:34.779
the four of us, we're a tight knit. And if one,

00:27:34.859 --> 00:27:38.609
if one person says that happened to me, I believe

00:27:38.609 --> 00:27:43.029
it. If they say dinner, whether everybody plays

00:27:43.029 --> 00:27:46.930
their part in validating or debunking what's

00:27:46.930 --> 00:27:49.710
happened. So me, me and Sarah got up there a

00:27:49.710 --> 00:27:54.990
little bit earlier and we could hear stuff. upstairs.

00:27:55.029 --> 00:27:57.390
We're in the kitchen. I could hear what appeared

00:27:57.390 --> 00:27:59.450
to be the only way I can describe it is some

00:27:59.450 --> 00:28:03.029
something being dragged across the floor upstairs.

00:28:03.289 --> 00:28:06.490
Don't know what it is. I wasn't going up there

00:28:06.490 --> 00:28:08.130
to check out either because we were the only

00:28:08.130 --> 00:28:10.690
two in the building at the time. So I can't,

00:28:10.769 --> 00:28:13.450
I can't wear that. But then then the four of

00:28:13.450 --> 00:28:16.309
us were there. And then there was a fifth person.

00:28:17.009 --> 00:28:18.410
Sean came with us as well. So in the end, there

00:28:18.410 --> 00:28:24.480
was five of us. And yeah, we we had a very weird

00:28:24.480 --> 00:28:28.710
night. we were doing the Estes method, where

00:28:28.710 --> 00:28:31.710
we do the spirit box and the headphone. I think

00:28:31.710 --> 00:28:34.890
that's such a good method, you know. I think

00:28:34.890 --> 00:28:39.400
it's such a good idea. Yeah, we've had loads

00:28:39.400 --> 00:28:41.900
of weird shit happen that night on that. Ash,

00:28:42.039 --> 00:28:43.880
like, threw his headphones off, he's like, no,

00:28:43.980 --> 00:28:47.180
no, no. I felt someone to stand by, like, literally

00:28:47.180 --> 00:28:49.759
tower all the way. I literally just jumped up,

00:28:49.920 --> 00:28:51.940
trying to never have done that. I literally stood

00:28:51.940 --> 00:28:53.819
up and threw the headphones, didn't care that

00:28:53.819 --> 00:28:55.640
they could damage anything. Just literally was

00:28:55.640 --> 00:28:57.920
like, no, I'm done. I felt like someone was pressing.

00:28:58.920 --> 00:29:00.680
I was sat on the bed in the main bedroom, second

00:29:00.680 --> 00:29:03.359
bedroom. I could feel like it was hair pushing

00:29:03.359 --> 00:29:05.480
on me, getting closer and closer and heavier

00:29:05.480 --> 00:29:08.660
on me. I was like, no, I'm done. In the nursery

00:29:08.660 --> 00:29:11.480
room, I was just standing there on my own. I

00:29:11.480 --> 00:29:13.509
was stood up sort of near the door. And you have

00:29:13.509 --> 00:29:15.750
like, it's like the weird blue prison mattresses

00:29:15.750 --> 00:29:18.289
on the, on the beds. Yeah. Like with material.

00:29:18.490 --> 00:29:20.890
And I heard, like when you sort of shuffle back

00:29:20.890 --> 00:29:23.049
on the sort of plastic key, that sort of noise,

00:29:23.410 --> 00:29:25.470
it's like I heard someone push himself back onto

00:29:25.470 --> 00:29:27.529
the bed. I was like, fuck me. I know I'm out

00:29:27.529 --> 00:29:29.910
of here as well. But I think the one we had that

00:29:29.910 --> 00:29:31.430
was all of us together because we were upstairs.

00:29:31.670 --> 00:29:35.509
We do, we do TikTok live streams. Yeah. So we

00:29:35.509 --> 00:29:43.859
were on our. Oh. Cool, yeah. Was that me? Was

00:29:43.859 --> 00:29:48.099
that my internet lagging? I don't know. Yeah,

00:29:48.940 --> 00:29:51.039
so we do TikTok live streams. And so we're on

00:29:51.039 --> 00:29:53.599
our account, girls are on their account. And

00:29:53.599 --> 00:29:57.240
we have, one of the girls has like these cameras,

00:29:57.599 --> 00:29:59.619
CCTV cameras, like set up in different rooms

00:29:59.619 --> 00:30:01.500
that are motion activated. And when they go off,

00:30:02.000 --> 00:30:03.200
they get a notification on their phone saying,

00:30:03.259 --> 00:30:05.559
oh, this one's just been activated. And we were,

00:30:05.619 --> 00:30:07.900
the noise and sound, the noise and movement activated.

00:30:08.140 --> 00:30:10.079
We were all five of us in the bedroom upstairs.

00:30:10.579 --> 00:30:12.279
And they got a notification that it had been

00:30:12.279 --> 00:30:14.519
activated in the lounge. So when they played

00:30:14.519 --> 00:30:17.299
notification of like a ring doorbell thing, it

00:30:17.299 --> 00:30:21.279
just says, bang, bang, bang, like in the lounge.

00:30:21.420 --> 00:30:23.000
And it's like, well, it's like, this is happening

00:30:23.000 --> 00:30:25.160
right now. Like literally 10 seconds ago, there

00:30:25.160 --> 00:30:27.079
was just this bang, bang, bang that activated

00:30:27.079 --> 00:30:29.099
the cameras. So it's like fucking, it's like

00:30:29.099 --> 00:30:31.279
right below us. There's some, something in the

00:30:31.279 --> 00:30:33.900
fucking. Oh my God. So there's, we had a few.

00:30:34.549 --> 00:30:36.450
Uh, things I, it's one of them where there's

00:30:36.450 --> 00:30:39.470
a lot of skepticism with that venue as well,

00:30:39.609 --> 00:30:41.670
but people say about the neighbor and causing

00:30:41.670 --> 00:30:43.269
noises. So I was always thinking, cause he, cause

00:30:43.269 --> 00:30:44.849
the cost, I was like, it's a lot of money. It's

00:30:44.849 --> 00:30:48.950
a bit of a drive to potentially be a bullshit

00:30:48.950 --> 00:30:51.349
venue. But I've having been, I was like, yeah,

00:30:51.349 --> 00:30:54.430
that was, that was a free key. I don't think

00:30:54.430 --> 00:31:01.089
I roll the neighbor does get a lot of, um, a

00:31:01.089 --> 00:31:06.640
lot of critique, critiquing, um, And look, she

00:31:06.640 --> 00:31:10.000
she's a character. It's it's fair to say. And

00:31:10.000 --> 00:31:14.599
she does like a moment in the spotlight and it

00:31:14.599 --> 00:31:19.180
can be interesting. It can be it can be funny.

00:31:19.259 --> 00:31:24.490
It can be really inappropriate. It can it can

00:31:24.490 --> 00:31:26.589
be lots of things, but I don't think she goes

00:31:26.589 --> 00:31:29.809
next door and starts doing things. I just don't

00:31:29.809 --> 00:31:32.349
think she's that arsed. I think she likes being

00:31:32.349 --> 00:31:35.490
in there and likes being the celebrity. and gets

00:31:35.490 --> 00:31:37.670
a moment. I'm saying that, I sound like I can

00:31:37.670 --> 00:31:40.609
be really negative about her. I don't, I do like

00:31:40.609 --> 00:31:43.930
Carol. But when she goes next, so I don't think

00:31:43.930 --> 00:31:46.309
she's banging on walls and stuff. I don't think

00:31:46.309 --> 00:31:48.930
she's that interested in doing that. She probably

00:31:48.930 --> 00:31:53.490
goes every night as well. Yeah. Yeah. You know,

00:31:53.569 --> 00:31:56.210
and her health isn't the best. She's not staying

00:31:56.210 --> 00:31:59.470
up till one in the morning to try and chip people

00:31:59.470 --> 00:32:02.430
up. But she's got, she had a parrot for a while.

00:32:02.789 --> 00:32:05.549
And you used to be able to hear the parrot. But

00:32:05.549 --> 00:32:07.930
the parrot, of course, had heard so many people.

00:32:08.190 --> 00:32:10.930
Like, can you throw something? Can you? Yeah,

00:32:15.190 --> 00:32:29.740
it is a weird place. I think the it's got its

00:32:29.740 --> 00:32:35.410
own kind of. because of the backstory and the

00:32:35.410 --> 00:32:38.890
history and people will have seen when the lights

00:32:38.890 --> 00:32:41.049
went out as well as a film and a lot of people

00:32:41.049 --> 00:32:44.569
will watch it before they go. I think there's

00:32:44.569 --> 00:32:46.670
probably that kind of nervous energy because

00:32:46.670 --> 00:32:52.750
it's so up there in terms of... It's iconic.

00:32:53.529 --> 00:32:57.170
Yeah, it's an iconic location for paranormal

00:32:57.170 --> 00:33:00.529
enthusiasts. It's a bucket list place. Yeah,

00:33:00.569 --> 00:33:03.769
it's a bucket list place, definitely. And I think

00:33:03.920 --> 00:33:07.180
going in there if you don't if you go in there

00:33:07.180 --> 00:33:10.740
and you're not got that that little hair on the

00:33:10.740 --> 00:33:13.140
back of your neck standing up on end when you

00:33:13.140 --> 00:33:17.200
first work walk through or a noise gets made

00:33:17.200 --> 00:33:20.579
that you're not really too sure what's made it

00:33:20.990 --> 00:33:24.309
i think if you don't have that i i don't think

00:33:24.309 --> 00:33:26.109
it's done its job properly i think it's one of

00:33:26.109 --> 00:33:30.470
them locations that nothing happening is almost

00:33:30.470 --> 00:33:35.470
a godsend because you go fuck I've seen the film,

00:33:35.670 --> 00:33:38.650
I know the history and we've done an episode

00:33:38.650 --> 00:33:41.890
on 30 East Drive and there was a family before

00:33:41.890 --> 00:33:45.769
the Pritchards that had paranormal experiences

00:33:45.769 --> 00:33:51.289
as well. I interviewed the guy who was the first

00:33:51.289 --> 00:33:53.890
person to live in there, I can't remember his

00:33:53.890 --> 00:33:57.309
name, was it Bill something? He was a really

00:33:57.309 --> 00:34:01.829
old fella, I think he was a World War Two pilot

00:34:01.829 --> 00:34:06.549
and he was blind. And it was so weird because

00:34:06.549 --> 00:34:11.190
everybody knows the Pritchard story. But hearing

00:34:11.190 --> 00:34:14.369
his story of when he was in there, when it was

00:34:14.369 --> 00:34:16.489
him and his wife, because they did a house swap

00:34:16.489 --> 00:34:21.489
with the Pritchards and it was there were certain

00:34:21.489 --> 00:34:23.690
things he wouldn't go into and talk about that

00:34:23.690 --> 00:34:26.949
gave it a real darkness, like the change in his

00:34:26.949 --> 00:34:29.230
wife when they were in there and some of the

00:34:29.230 --> 00:34:31.750
things that happened with his daughter. And it

00:34:31.750 --> 00:34:35.300
was like and this was this was pre yeah i know

00:34:35.300 --> 00:34:37.139
everybody says oh it's a money -making thing

00:34:37.139 --> 00:34:40.099
everybody watched amityville and you know got

00:34:40.099 --> 00:34:43.179
their pen and paper out you know this was pre

00:34:43.179 --> 00:34:47.679
all of that and this was a you know this is somebody

00:34:47.679 --> 00:34:51.699
fought the nazis and he had to leave that house

00:34:51.699 --> 00:34:54.739
because of what was going on in there so i think

00:34:54.739 --> 00:34:58.480
it's it must be what it's built on it must be

00:34:58.480 --> 00:35:02.489
the the land it's got to be Did you have anything

00:35:02.489 --> 00:35:04.550
happen when you, well, all the times you've been

00:35:04.550 --> 00:35:07.929
there, anything sort of notable? With that, with

00:35:07.929 --> 00:35:10.869
that place, I always think it happens when you

00:35:10.869 --> 00:35:13.750
don't look for it. I think if you sit there in

00:35:13.750 --> 00:35:18.829
the dark with the K2 meter, I think you can be

00:35:18.829 --> 00:35:21.130
on a hiding to nothing. The only, the times I've

00:35:21.130 --> 00:35:22.949
had things happen there, there's one time I was

00:35:22.949 --> 00:35:25.150
in there with a comedian called Bethany Black,

00:35:25.710 --> 00:35:30.000
and it was, it was a lovely summer's afternoon

00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:32.380
and we were like a little bit kind of like, oh,

00:35:32.400 --> 00:35:34.780
we fucked up here. We're staying in this house

00:35:34.780 --> 00:35:36.440
and it's the height of summer. It's not going

00:35:36.440 --> 00:35:38.840
to get dark till half 11. It's going to be light

00:35:38.840 --> 00:35:41.780
at four. You know, and I know there's the argument,

00:35:41.920 --> 00:35:43.579
well, if it's haunted in the light, it's haunted

00:35:43.579 --> 00:35:46.860
in the dark. I get it. But you want it dark.

00:35:47.260 --> 00:35:50.820
You want the full experience. And so it's this

00:35:50.820 --> 00:35:55.389
lovely sunny afternoon and we were stood in You

00:35:55.389 --> 00:35:57.989
know, you've got the kitchen and there's like

00:35:57.989 --> 00:36:01.230
a fireplace in there next to the dining room

00:36:01.230 --> 00:36:03.789
where there's like some keys hanging on the wall.

00:36:03.969 --> 00:36:05.949
We just stood there chatting mean bath and just

00:36:05.949 --> 00:36:11.010
this stone just dropped between us, like in between

00:36:11.010 --> 00:36:13.889
us, and just like hit the floor. I went down,

00:36:14.070 --> 00:36:16.489
picked it up and was like, fuck it. We're locked

00:36:16.489 --> 00:36:18.929
open because it's just the ceiling. I'm like,

00:36:19.349 --> 00:36:23.849
where has this stone just come from? And it literally...

00:36:23.550 --> 00:36:28.900
we sort of fall in between us and it was it wasn't

00:36:28.900 --> 00:36:31.719
scary because like I say it was it's a gorgeous

00:36:31.719 --> 00:36:34.820
day and you know there's no thunder claps and

00:36:34.820 --> 00:36:37.039
you know there's no lightning it's it was just

00:36:37.039 --> 00:36:39.760
this kind of here's something that you just really

00:36:39.760 --> 00:36:43.739
can't explain and yeah so whenever I've had things

00:36:43.739 --> 00:36:46.960
happen in there it's been stuff like that that's

00:36:46.960 --> 00:36:49.940
mad now that's yeah that's I know Bill had a

00:36:49.940 --> 00:36:52.219
domino thrown at him when he was walking around

00:36:52.219 --> 00:36:54.480
there once, because Bill genuinely won't stay

00:36:54.480 --> 00:36:56.179
the night there. I know some people think that's

00:36:56.179 --> 00:37:00.739
a publicity thing, but Bill really doesn't like

00:37:00.739 --> 00:37:04.199
the vibes of that place. That's the money, though.

00:37:05.760 --> 00:37:10.019
That's a decent investment from backing. Yeah,

00:37:10.340 --> 00:37:13.559
yeah. As well, any other places? What sort of

00:37:13.559 --> 00:37:15.480
obviously they do quite a bit of panel investigation

00:37:15.480 --> 00:37:21.210
at the minute. in the past. My go -to place is

00:37:21.210 --> 00:37:23.449
sort of almost not a ghost -hunt place that I

00:37:23.449 --> 00:37:25.550
go to now. It's a place that I go to relax, which

00:37:25.550 --> 00:37:28.849
is Chillingham Castle in Northumberland, which

00:37:28.849 --> 00:37:31.449
again is another one of those bucket list venues.

00:37:31.530 --> 00:37:33.269
And when people go to spend the night there,

00:37:33.510 --> 00:37:35.409
I think they can go in with the expectation of

00:37:35.409 --> 00:37:37.829
30 years drive, like what's going to happen?

00:37:38.190 --> 00:37:41.809
Is it going to... And 99 % of the time you're

00:37:41.809 --> 00:37:45.730
just going to have a... and a night there and

00:37:45.730 --> 00:37:47.449
not much is going to happen. And then people

00:37:47.449 --> 00:37:49.690
come away disappointed. And it's like, yeah,

00:37:49.769 --> 00:37:54.929
you can't. It's not ghost train. But Chillingham,

00:37:55.130 --> 00:37:57.750
when Chillingham's it's weird with Chillingham.

00:37:57.909 --> 00:38:00.860
It's it's like it's almost like there's not one

00:38:00.860 --> 00:38:03.440
ghost. It's it's like the whole castle is alive.

00:38:03.780 --> 00:38:05.699
It's like there's like an energy runs through

00:38:05.699 --> 00:38:09.460
the very brickwork of it. And and so Humphrey,

00:38:09.460 --> 00:38:12.320
who owns it, he summed it up perfectly to me

00:38:12.320 --> 00:38:15.039
once he said. He said, when this castle has got

00:38:15.039 --> 00:38:18.460
people in and when it's got his family and then

00:38:18.460 --> 00:38:21.440
guests staying. And he said, when it's alive,

00:38:21.699 --> 00:38:24.659
it's it's happy and there's a joyousness goes

00:38:24.659 --> 00:38:28.239
through it. But when it's on its own, it sulks

00:38:28.239 --> 00:38:31.380
and it sits in the dark and it sulks. And that's

00:38:31.380 --> 00:38:34.000
when you'll get things happening when it's not

00:38:34.000 --> 00:38:36.679
got. I don't necessarily think there's negative

00:38:36.679 --> 00:38:40.389
energies in Chillingham. I think it's. I do think

00:38:40.389 --> 00:38:43.250
it's a place that thrives on having people in

00:38:43.250 --> 00:38:47.099
it. It's a home. And it's one of those. Yeah,

00:38:47.099 --> 00:38:50.559
I love going there. And just because I feel completely

00:38:50.559 --> 00:38:53.539
at peace and relaxed there. But there'll be a

00:38:53.539 --> 00:38:56.719
time when I'll just be walking around and I like

00:38:56.719 --> 00:38:58.920
go to walk across the courtyard or something.

00:38:59.400 --> 00:39:01.880
And you just get this little feeling of, oh,

00:39:01.880 --> 00:39:04.829
I don't feel very welcome here. Like, you know,

00:39:04.829 --> 00:39:06.829
if you walk into a room and there's been an argument,

00:39:07.070 --> 00:39:09.659
you can sense it. It's it's that sort of feeling

00:39:09.659 --> 00:39:13.519
like always doesn't this feels off right now.

00:39:13.860 --> 00:39:15.840
It doesn't always feel like that. So now and

00:39:15.840 --> 00:39:19.179
again, it does. And I love children for that.

00:39:19.199 --> 00:39:23.130
And have you ever been up there? A bit too far

00:39:23.130 --> 00:39:27.639
north for me to hell of a trek. It's a hell of

00:39:27.639 --> 00:39:33.150
a trek. Have you ever been to the Ram Inn? I

00:39:33.150 --> 00:39:37.050
have. I have. I found it. It was quite an odd

00:39:37.050 --> 00:39:41.179
thing because we went when it was. when we're

00:39:41.179 --> 00:39:46.960
doing the filament and it's obviously like an

00:39:46.960 --> 00:39:51.139
iconic sort of location that everybody wants

00:39:51.139 --> 00:39:53.719
to go in. It's got some amazing stories to it.

00:39:53.800 --> 00:39:59.019
And of course, the guy who owned it, again, he

00:39:59.019 --> 00:40:02.780
was sort of part of the furniture. I can't remember

00:40:02.780 --> 00:40:07.599
his name. John. John. Is it John Humphreys? Yes.

00:40:07.820 --> 00:40:13.739
Yeah. He so, you know, he was very much part

00:40:13.739 --> 00:40:16.139
of it. And we would get and it was his daughter,

00:40:16.139 --> 00:40:19.380
Caroline, who sort of looked after it. I think

00:40:19.380 --> 00:40:22.139
he was I think he'd very recently could be put

00:40:22.139 --> 00:40:25.420
into a home or something like that. And we were

00:40:25.420 --> 00:40:27.719
getting ready to go there and film getting ready

00:40:27.719 --> 00:40:29.639
to sort of driving. And Caroline rang up and

00:40:29.639 --> 00:40:33.650
said, I'm just letting you know. And dad's passed

00:40:33.650 --> 00:40:37.829
away this morning. i'm still happy for you to

00:40:37.829 --> 00:40:39.710
go in i still want you to go ahead want you to

00:40:39.710 --> 00:40:41.329
go in there and do it but i'm not going to be

00:40:41.329 --> 00:40:45.269
there because of course and when we went it's

00:40:45.269 --> 00:40:48.389
obviously it's really creepy and it's got a lot

00:40:48.389 --> 00:40:51.789
of you know stuff like the open grave and stuff

00:40:51.789 --> 00:40:53.710
like that in there there's a lot to unsettle

00:40:53.710 --> 00:40:57.349
you but when we went in it was like like his

00:40:57.349 --> 00:41:02.099
jackets were like hanging up and it was i don't

00:41:02.099 --> 00:41:05.000
know it didn't feel creepy it felt like felt

00:41:05.000 --> 00:41:06.800
like, oh, this place should be having a bit of

00:41:06.800 --> 00:41:09.559
stillness now, that this this this place should

00:41:09.559 --> 00:41:14.000
be resting. And, you know, because he was a very,

00:41:14.340 --> 00:41:19.369
very religious man, you know, and yeah, there

00:41:19.369 --> 00:41:22.610
was just like this this feeling of sadness and

00:41:22.610 --> 00:41:24.449
the crew. It was one of those ones where the

00:41:24.449 --> 00:41:27.489
crew found it terrifying. And we were just like,

00:41:27.610 --> 00:41:30.110
no, just feel sad. Whereas like the vaults, the

00:41:30.110 --> 00:41:33.590
crew were like fine. And I was. Don't want to

00:41:33.590 --> 00:41:37.289
be shitting myself. Where's the best place you

00:41:37.289 --> 00:41:40.489
guys have been to then? Oh, that's a good question.

00:41:40.750 --> 00:41:44.570
So just to add on, the Ram Inn is one of the

00:41:44.570 --> 00:41:47.250
few places that has absolutely terrified me.

00:41:47.969 --> 00:41:50.789
Again, five of us went, we had the whole place

00:41:50.789 --> 00:41:53.489
to ourselves and within five minutes I was petrified.

00:41:53.510 --> 00:41:55.489
I wouldn't go to the toilet on my own. Somebody

00:41:55.489 --> 00:41:58.070
had to come and follow me and stand outside.

00:41:58.409 --> 00:42:00.889
Wow. We got in there and we heard a noise, me

00:42:00.889 --> 00:42:03.869
and this guy I was with. And I was like, I looked

00:42:03.869 --> 00:42:06.260
at him and said, did you hear that? And he was

00:42:06.260 --> 00:42:08.599
like, yeah, we're just doing a little recce at

00:42:08.599 --> 00:42:10.420
the start. So we walked back through, because

00:42:10.420 --> 00:42:12.420
that was in the barn area, we walked back through

00:42:12.420 --> 00:42:15.940
towards the bar area and it was all curtained

00:42:15.940 --> 00:42:19.340
off. And so we pulled the curtain across, went

00:42:19.340 --> 00:42:22.340
into the bar area, pulled the curtain behind

00:42:22.340 --> 00:42:24.980
us. And he looked at me and he goes, did you

00:42:24.980 --> 00:42:28.130
just hear that? I was like, absolutely I did.

00:42:28.269 --> 00:42:32.730
It was a growl. And from that moment on, For

00:42:32.730 --> 00:42:34.989
the rest of the night, I was shitting myself,

00:42:36.099 --> 00:42:39.179
so terrified. So that's that's another one that

00:42:39.179 --> 00:42:41.840
we're all going to we're all going to go to.

00:42:42.800 --> 00:42:46.559
But if you ever want someone to come and tag

00:42:46.559 --> 00:42:51.460
along to that, I happily come blag my way onto

00:42:51.460 --> 00:42:54.480
that. Like it's that's that's that's a great

00:42:54.480 --> 00:42:57.000
one. Not born as well. It was I mean, it was

00:42:57.000 --> 00:43:00.449
full of junk and stuff, but it felt like. like

00:43:00.449 --> 00:43:02.329
when you went in, you were like walking on doors

00:43:02.329 --> 00:43:04.130
and stuff that had been like put down to make

00:43:04.130 --> 00:43:06.489
a sort of walkway into it. But you just felt

00:43:06.489 --> 00:43:09.670
like you'd been watched in there. Horrible feeling.

00:43:10.130 --> 00:43:12.610
It's a horrible place. Horrible place. In the

00:43:12.610 --> 00:43:16.280
other place, I think Ash is going to say. So

00:43:16.280 --> 00:43:19.500
the house that cries. I know you heard of that

00:43:19.500 --> 00:43:24.860
in Wolverhampton. I've spent, I used to, I used

00:43:24.860 --> 00:43:28.440
to write for a magazine. I was the resident paranormal.

00:43:29.349 --> 00:43:36.489
It was this scientific journal called Chat. Sounds

00:43:36.489 --> 00:43:41.110
scientific. Yeah. It was called Chat. It's Fate.

00:43:41.170 --> 00:43:42.750
It was one of those magazines you get in the

00:43:42.750 --> 00:43:45.550
dentist that's got like... Oh, Chat magazine.

00:43:45.789 --> 00:43:49.670
Okay. You know what I mean? All the mental stories.

00:43:50.889 --> 00:43:53.590
My husband hit me with a hammer, but I still

00:43:53.590 --> 00:43:57.090
love him. It's all that sort of shit. And they'd

00:43:57.090 --> 00:43:58.769
have like the ghost feature and it was called

00:43:58.769 --> 00:44:00.789
Haunted Britain and every month I'd go and stay

00:44:00.789 --> 00:44:02.650
somewhere haunted. And one of the places was

00:44:02.650 --> 00:44:06.829
the house that cries. And I've got to be honest,

00:44:06.849 --> 00:44:11.869
I found it really underwhelming. Apart from the

00:44:11.869 --> 00:44:15.769
basement, when I was walking out, I heard something

00:44:15.769 --> 00:44:19.510
walking behind me and I thought it was Hazel

00:44:19.510 --> 00:44:22.050
from Haunted Happenings behind me until I turned

00:44:22.050 --> 00:44:23.550
and looked up the stairs and she was still at

00:44:23.550 --> 00:44:25.969
the top of the stairs and I was like... Then

00:44:25.969 --> 00:44:29.880
what the fuck is behind me? That was weird. What

00:44:29.880 --> 00:44:34.039
happened to you? So for me is literally we've

00:44:34.039 --> 00:44:36.340
been since as well because we've been twice this

00:44:36.340 --> 00:44:38.719
year, but that first time I can honestly say

00:44:38.719 --> 00:44:41.199
that the most terrifying night I've ever had

00:44:41.199 --> 00:44:44.039
in like any haunted location any sort of forest

00:44:44.039 --> 00:44:46.400
or graveyard or anywhere else. It was just one.

00:44:46.460 --> 00:44:49.829
It was kind of non -stop. It was just stuff had

00:44:49.829 --> 00:44:52.539
to stop happening and There's definitely something

00:44:52.539 --> 00:44:55.079
above us when we were in the big dining room

00:44:55.079 --> 00:45:00.719
area. At one point, we checked the front doors.

00:45:00.860 --> 00:45:02.159
There has to be someone in the house with us

00:45:02.159 --> 00:45:04.500
because we could hear people in the hallway in

00:45:04.500 --> 00:45:07.739
the main lobby by the stairs. Greg, at least,

00:45:07.860 --> 00:45:09.880
you've grabbed cameras and money around the house.

00:45:10.059 --> 00:45:11.639
There has to be someone, because we did a live

00:45:11.639 --> 00:45:13.539
stream and stuff, and we sometimes let people

00:45:13.539 --> 00:45:15.940
know where we're going. Someone could have come

00:45:15.940 --> 00:45:18.539
and is actually playing with us. It's like, did

00:45:18.539 --> 00:45:19.960
we actually lock the front door properly? Did

00:45:19.960 --> 00:45:21.900
we put the catch across? It's like, there has

00:45:21.900 --> 00:45:24.420
to be someone in this house. We literally run

00:45:24.420 --> 00:45:25.659
around the house thinking there's got to be someone

00:45:25.659 --> 00:45:28.079
in here. Obviously there wasn't. It was just

00:45:28.079 --> 00:45:30.860
like the bangs, the noise. It was like people

00:45:30.860 --> 00:45:34.780
talking. We could hear, but we could hear it

00:45:34.780 --> 00:45:38.500
going off. It's just, again, the basement. It's

00:45:38.500 --> 00:45:41.510
just like, it just wasn't, it was sort of nonstop.

00:45:41.789 --> 00:45:43.929
And again, we were in the kitchen having a bit

00:45:43.929 --> 00:45:47.260
of a debrief. And we had the same cameras that

00:45:47.260 --> 00:45:49.639
motion and sound activated. And it activated

00:45:49.639 --> 00:45:52.159
again while we're in the kitchen. So Emma's got

00:45:52.159 --> 00:45:55.860
a phone. Oh my God. So it sounds like, it's hard

00:45:55.860 --> 00:45:57.420
to know what it's saying, but it gets activated

00:45:57.449 --> 00:46:00.429
in the dining room area. And all you can hear

00:46:00.429 --> 00:46:04.750
is it's something like, help me. Like right next

00:46:04.750 --> 00:46:07.130
to the camera in the room. So we're like, what

00:46:07.130 --> 00:46:08.750
the fuck? Cause we've got it all in, cause we

00:46:08.750 --> 00:46:10.369
film for like YouTube and stuff as well and for

00:46:10.369 --> 00:46:12.809
TikTok. It's like, Oh my God, like film, like

00:46:12.809 --> 00:46:14.329
what the fuck is happening? Like that's happening.

00:46:14.829 --> 00:46:18.329
in the room, like, and just through the lobby

00:46:18.329 --> 00:46:23.730
from us this, help me, like awful, demonic voice

00:46:23.730 --> 00:46:28.230
whisper. It's like, fucking hell. It's very active.

00:46:28.389 --> 00:46:30.130
The second time we went, it wasn't as active.

00:46:31.150 --> 00:46:33.570
So the second time, after that first experience,

00:46:33.750 --> 00:46:34.929
it was a little underwhelming. It was like, oh

00:46:34.929 --> 00:46:36.510
my God, I've got to go back. And nothing was

00:46:36.510 --> 00:46:38.730
happening again, but I, a hundred percent go

00:46:38.730 --> 00:46:42.710
back, fucking any night. Yeah, there's a place.

00:46:42.929 --> 00:46:46.610
There's a place called Little Dean Jail in the

00:46:46.610 --> 00:46:49.190
Forrester Dean that is well worth having a look

00:46:49.190 --> 00:46:51.469
into. The guy who owns it is a guy called Andy.

00:46:52.469 --> 00:46:56.090
And so it's an old prison and he's converted

00:46:56.090 --> 00:47:00.010
it into a museum of the macabre. And there was

00:47:00.010 --> 00:47:03.250
a Netflix documentary called The Dark Tourist.

00:47:03.989 --> 00:47:06.869
And he went to it and he's got like each of the

00:47:06.869 --> 00:47:10.170
cells is like themed. So like there's the, there's

00:47:10.170 --> 00:47:12.590
the Fred West cell, which is full of lots of

00:47:12.590 --> 00:47:15.690
the bricks from Cromwell street and a lot of

00:47:15.690 --> 00:47:23.420
Fred's tools. Honestly, there's an ISIS room

00:47:23.510 --> 00:47:29.010
with videos constantly playing. It's dark. It's

00:47:29.010 --> 00:47:32.820
dark. And he's got like a diorama of a world

00:47:32.820 --> 00:47:37.880
war two scene. It's controversial. But that place

00:47:37.880 --> 00:47:42.480
is, that's freaky. That's again an odd energy.

00:47:43.039 --> 00:47:45.480
A thing of having all these things from around

00:47:45.480 --> 00:47:48.260
the world, if you believe that things hold on

00:47:48.260 --> 00:47:51.039
to energy and stuff, you know, the bricks from

00:47:51.039 --> 00:47:56.070
Cromwell Street and, you know, a lot of the literally

00:47:56.070 --> 00:47:57.869
stuff that I can't describe because it would

00:47:57.869 --> 00:48:01.800
get you demonetized to whatever it is on YouTube.

00:48:03.139 --> 00:48:07.670
Yeah, like dark energies in there. Ash, that's

00:48:07.670 --> 00:48:09.449
only about an hour from my house as far as the

00:48:09.449 --> 00:48:15.480
Dean. Even just go during the day, just have

00:48:15.480 --> 00:48:17.380
a look around it as an exhibit and you'll spend

00:48:17.380 --> 00:48:19.539
all day there and you'll still never see everything.

00:48:20.199 --> 00:48:29.039
It is really unique. I've just written that down.

00:48:32.139 --> 00:48:36.400
Brace yourself and leave your moral compass at

00:48:36.400 --> 00:48:38.989
the door is what I'd say. I leave that usually

00:48:38.989 --> 00:48:49.139
when I go out the store. Wow. Okay. I mean, I

00:48:49.139 --> 00:48:53.739
don't know. Yeah. Why not? Why not? I think we're

00:48:53.739 --> 00:48:57.579
open. We're open to sorts of anything at this

00:48:57.579 --> 00:49:02.340
point. Yeah. Yeah. At this point. Yeah. Yeah.

00:49:02.500 --> 00:49:06.380
Wow. I don't know what else to say really on

00:49:06.380 --> 00:49:10.360
that. Sorry, I'm going to put in the kibosh on

00:49:10.360 --> 00:49:12.300
things. I'm going to end in conversations and

00:49:12.300 --> 00:49:14.460
people walking off shuffling, looking at the

00:49:14.460 --> 00:49:23.789
code. What other sort of aspects of the paranormal

00:49:23.789 --> 00:49:27.230
are you into? So like, what are your thoughts

00:49:27.230 --> 00:49:32.369
on cryptids and Bigfoot and UAP and whatnot?

00:49:33.070 --> 00:49:37.510
I've sort of never been that sort of... Like

00:49:37.510 --> 00:49:39.349
if they found the Loch Ness Monster, I don't

00:49:39.349 --> 00:49:42.170
think I'd be that blown away because it's like

00:49:42.170 --> 00:49:45.449
we find a new spider every week. Do you know?

00:49:45.949 --> 00:49:49.409
For me, I don't think there's anything that shocking

00:49:49.409 --> 00:49:52.010
about, oh, there's a creature that we just haven't

00:49:52.010 --> 00:49:54.710
found yet. It's like, of course, like we haven't,

00:49:54.750 --> 00:49:56.889
we know more about space than we do the ocean.

00:49:57.389 --> 00:49:59.829
You know, of course, there's fucking weird creatures.

00:50:00.090 --> 00:50:03.070
I just, I've never found them sort of. It's like

00:50:03.070 --> 00:50:06.170
if there is a tuber cabra, it's like. I know

00:50:06.170 --> 00:50:09.650
it's like mythical and scary but you know if

00:50:09.650 --> 00:50:11.650
there was more of them they'd just be a pest

00:50:11.650 --> 00:50:14.610
there'd be a bloke whose job it is to shoot them

00:50:14.610 --> 00:50:17.030
do you know what I mean it's it's like if there

00:50:17.030 --> 00:50:20.349
was just more there'd be a problem like killing

00:50:20.349 --> 00:50:25.530
goats and yeah so I don't like I find them normal

00:50:25.530 --> 00:50:29.590
to the point of like not exciting because I'm

00:50:29.590 --> 00:50:34.929
like yeah probably quite likely does exist, you

00:50:34.929 --> 00:50:38.630
know. I think science and nature will throw weird

00:50:38.630 --> 00:50:41.510
things up all the time. There's things that get

00:50:41.510 --> 00:50:44.030
me that get me interested, like the Gelatov Pass

00:50:44.030 --> 00:50:49.429
incident just, you know. I read somebody told

00:50:49.429 --> 00:50:52.349
me probably the most convincing explanation for

00:50:52.349 --> 00:50:55.190
it. But even then, there's a lot of things the

00:50:55.190 --> 00:50:57.409
explanations don't cover, like, you know, the

00:50:57.409 --> 00:50:59.710
amount of radiation, some of the burn marks on

00:50:59.710 --> 00:51:02.429
the trees, the lights that were seen over the

00:51:02.429 --> 00:51:06.150
Ural Mountains at the time. And yet that's that

00:51:06.150 --> 00:51:09.289
to me is just a dark story that we just never

00:51:09.289 --> 00:51:15.610
know the truth to. Yeah, I agree. I wanted to

00:51:15.610 --> 00:51:18.730
sort of ask. What's it like amongst your peers

00:51:18.730 --> 00:51:22.010
with sort of this whole, the whole, there's a

00:51:22.010 --> 00:51:23.849
lot of obviously piss taken between comedians

00:51:23.849 --> 00:51:25.829
anyway. And like Steve Harris on the show, he

00:51:25.829 --> 00:51:28.349
was big into more into aliens and stuff. Obviously

00:51:28.349 --> 00:51:30.489
there's a lot of shows sort of funded by comedians

00:51:30.489 --> 00:51:33.010
and stuff. Yeah. In the past, like Craig Charles

00:51:33.010 --> 00:51:34.469
does or John Thompson has done stuff. There's

00:51:34.469 --> 00:51:36.889
all these different kinds of things. What's it,

00:51:36.929 --> 00:51:38.889
what is it, is it more of a big interest sort

00:51:38.889 --> 00:51:40.949
of professionally or personally, or is it more.

00:51:41.039 --> 00:51:43.739
the piss taking that you come across. I think

00:51:43.739 --> 00:51:46.880
the piss taking is more relentless than that.

00:51:47.000 --> 00:51:50.239
In a group, everybody will get stuck in. When

00:51:50.239 --> 00:51:52.300
you get people one on one, people have always

00:51:52.300 --> 00:51:54.480
got a story that they'll whisper to you, but

00:51:54.480 --> 00:51:56.360
they don't want to say in front of everyone else

00:51:56.360 --> 00:52:00.139
because they don't want to lose their cool. And

00:52:00.139 --> 00:52:04.199
like, you know, I took a load of comedians into

00:52:04.199 --> 00:52:07.699
30 East Drive a few years ago and it was amazing

00:52:07.699 --> 00:52:11.380
how quick the bravado disappears when It's like,

00:52:11.440 --> 00:52:13.920
OK, well, we split up. Now you go in that room,

00:52:14.039 --> 00:52:16.199
you go in that room. People are like, no, I'm

00:52:16.199 --> 00:52:19.219
just going to stay down here with everyone. It's

00:52:19.219 --> 00:52:22.119
like, oh, but I thought it was all nonsense.

00:52:23.260 --> 00:52:28.199
Phil Ellis. Sorry to throw Phil under the bus.

00:52:30.360 --> 00:52:35.219
Brilliant. So, yeah, yeah, it's it's it's pristine.

00:52:35.400 --> 00:52:39.639
But you know what? It depends on it. If you take

00:52:39.639 --> 00:52:45.090
things to heart. or not, and it never, you know,

00:52:45.090 --> 00:52:48.690
I just think, oh, well, if you, I'm never bothered.

00:52:49.050 --> 00:52:51.329
And I always just think, why don't you do this

00:52:51.329 --> 00:52:54.409
with other people's belief in afterlifes? Why

00:52:54.409 --> 00:52:56.449
are we not getting stuck into some of the religious

00:52:56.449 --> 00:53:00.210
people on the circuit? Why is my belief and faith

00:53:00.210 --> 00:53:03.730
fine to rip the piss out of? Because there's

00:53:03.730 --> 00:53:07.730
lots of other people who, you know, you know,

00:53:07.789 --> 00:53:10.829
that's a nice hypocrisy that everyone lives by.

00:53:13.519 --> 00:53:16.900
So do you have any theories on what a ghost is?

00:53:17.239 --> 00:53:19.179
Like these experiences you've had or you've read

00:53:19.179 --> 00:53:21.239
about in research or these places you've been

00:53:21.239 --> 00:53:23.639
to, any sort of theory that you sort of like

00:53:23.639 --> 00:53:27.380
to go to, to what is a ghost? I'm so conflicted.

00:53:27.719 --> 00:53:30.039
I really like, from a scientific point of view,

00:53:30.139 --> 00:53:32.880
I really like the stone tape theory because it's,

00:53:32.880 --> 00:53:35.699
it feels like one day science might be able to

00:53:35.699 --> 00:53:39.760
explain it that way, but that doesn't. answer

00:53:39.760 --> 00:53:42.780
for consciousness. It doesn't answer for whatever

00:53:42.780 --> 00:53:47.929
it was that I saw. The truth is, I don't think

00:53:47.929 --> 00:53:52.269
I've got any theories. I think I'm just, I just

00:53:52.269 --> 00:53:56.590
don't know. Like, pre -seeing something, I would

00:53:56.590 --> 00:54:00.389
have said stone -tape theory as an easy get -out

00:54:00.389 --> 00:54:05.250
answer to that sort of thing. But now, I think

00:54:05.250 --> 00:54:08.280
energy hangs around. I think you can... If you

00:54:08.280 --> 00:54:10.239
can walk in somewhere and know whether it's a

00:54:10.239 --> 00:54:13.159
good, I'm a big believer in happy houses and

00:54:13.159 --> 00:54:16.019
unhappy houses. I think when you walk into somewhere,

00:54:16.880 --> 00:54:20.719
you just know if it's been a place of joy or

00:54:20.719 --> 00:54:24.980
a place of sadness. And I think the foundations

00:54:24.980 --> 00:54:27.059
and the brickwork and the ground, I think it

00:54:27.059 --> 00:54:30.460
hangs on to all those energies. So yeah, probably

00:54:30.460 --> 00:54:34.289
something along those lines. Nice one. I think

00:54:34.289 --> 00:54:36.409
final question for me as we sort of come to the

00:54:36.409 --> 00:54:39.699
hour mark is If you could go anywhere in the

00:54:39.699 --> 00:54:41.460
world, start a production company says, we're

00:54:41.460 --> 00:54:42.500
going to send you anywhere in the world. You

00:54:42.500 --> 00:54:45.039
could put up a TV show. Where would you want

00:54:45.039 --> 00:54:51.150
to go to? Pavilion Island. Okay. That island

00:54:51.150 --> 00:54:56.050
just off, just off the coast of, is it Venice?

00:54:57.110 --> 00:55:00.449
It's yeah, the place that was where they took

00:55:00.449 --> 00:55:02.909
all the plague victims. And just cause it wasn't

00:55:02.909 --> 00:55:05.110
creepy enough, they built an asylum there as

00:55:05.110 --> 00:55:08.869
well and put a mad doctor in it. Just. You know

00:55:08.869 --> 00:55:15.070
that that place just looks intense Yeah, I really

00:55:15.070 --> 00:55:20.989
like sort of old Hospitals and asylums. I'm a

00:55:20.989 --> 00:55:24.010
big foot. There's a series of games called Silent

00:55:24.010 --> 00:55:30.250
Hill and I look that sort of decaying Like, you

00:55:30.250 --> 00:55:32.489
know, and you know when paint peels off walls

00:55:32.489 --> 00:55:36.469
when it's just left It's it's it's own there's

00:55:36.469 --> 00:55:39.949
almost a beauty to it this Rotting decay and

00:55:39.949 --> 00:55:43.130
yeah buildings like that. I really likes it's

00:55:43.130 --> 00:55:45.570
Not only is it creepy you can feel the history

00:55:45.570 --> 00:55:48.449
and yeah, I think someone like Pavilion would

00:55:48.449 --> 00:55:51.829
be yeah, that's up there. How about you out of

00:55:51.829 --> 00:56:02.909
curiosity? So for me, I would love to go to Stardust

00:56:02.909 --> 00:56:09.449
Ranch. Oh Yeah, so you've got area 51 You've

00:56:09.449 --> 00:56:11.849
got Skinwalker Ranch, but you've got Stardust

00:56:11.849 --> 00:56:15.130
Ranch. And we interviewed the guy that owned

00:56:15.130 --> 00:56:19.949
it. And it's one of the few interviews that we've

00:56:19.949 --> 00:56:23.960
sort of come off of and gone, what happened there?

00:56:24.099 --> 00:56:27.559
What conversation did we just have with this

00:56:27.559 --> 00:56:30.639
guy? It was a nightmare to sort out. He didn't

00:56:30.639 --> 00:56:32.940
have the internet. We had to ring a mobile in

00:56:32.940 --> 00:56:37.659
America. A landline. A landline, sorry. And we

00:56:37.659 --> 00:56:42.969
were on Skype. And it was just the weirdest conversation.

00:56:44.050 --> 00:56:48.570
And I think I'd want to go there. That would

00:56:48.570 --> 00:56:52.550
be the place for me, based on what I know about

00:56:52.579 --> 00:56:58.719
his experiences there. Out of everywhere, that's

00:56:58.719 --> 00:57:03.730
the one, I think. Yeah. How about you, Ash? I

00:57:03.730 --> 00:57:05.949
think for me, probably a bit of a boring one,

00:57:05.949 --> 00:57:09.670
I don't know, is the Paris Catacombs. but not

00:57:09.670 --> 00:57:12.110
the sort of one you can go to. I've seen videos

00:57:12.110 --> 00:57:15.829
of people like, have to go to sort of insiders

00:57:15.829 --> 00:57:17.469
and sort of all these areas that you can't normally

00:57:17.469 --> 00:57:20.269
go to. When they go off, off piste. Yeah. So

00:57:20.269 --> 00:57:23.289
that's literally wading through like waste high

00:57:23.289 --> 00:57:25.329
water to get to these, this part of the catacombs

00:57:25.329 --> 00:57:26.829
and stuff. And the police always block up the

00:57:26.829 --> 00:57:28.710
entrances and exits so you can sort of get in

00:57:28.710 --> 00:57:30.010
and then can't get out because you're just sort

00:57:30.010 --> 00:57:31.579
of. where you're not supposed to be in the part

00:57:31.579 --> 00:57:33.260
of the catacombs. And some of the videos I've

00:57:33.260 --> 00:57:35.320
seen from that is just, you're literally crawling

00:57:35.320 --> 00:57:37.260
through tons of bones to get to where you need

00:57:37.260 --> 00:57:39.800
to get to go in there and stuff. And as for watching

00:57:39.800 --> 00:57:41.519
videos, I would love to be crawling over these

00:57:41.519 --> 00:57:47.320
bones. I don't know why, but it's not too far

00:57:47.320 --> 00:57:50.139
away. It's probably a lot cheaper to get to Paris

00:57:50.139 --> 00:57:55.360
than Arizona. It's on fire at the minute. So

00:57:55.360 --> 00:57:58.380
probably the best time. Probably some more bones

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going down there, I think. Well, yeah, thank

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you, Barry. No worries. Thanks for having me

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on. And yeah, I'll stay on when you stop recording.

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So I can say bye properly. But yeah, thank you

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for having me. Really appreciate your time. Thank

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you. No worries.