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Whilst I am a debunker, I am a paranormal investigator

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at heart. I only want to remove the false from

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a claim. I want the truth, and if I've got to

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tear people apart to get to it, I'll do it. But

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I believe in the paranormal, I want the paranormal

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to be real, and I want to prove it for me. So,

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yeah, it's not about, that's fake, everything's

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fake, that's not what I do. Disproving the normal,

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you can reveal the abnormal. So you look at everything,

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absolutely everything. You've got to take into

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account every variable, every variation. And

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I don't believe you can do it in one visit, which

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is why I'll never say somewhere is or isn't haunted.

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I believe there's a few places I've been to where

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there is something going on. I just don't know

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what that something is. You're listening to Pursuit

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of the Paranormal Podcast with your hosts, Ash

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Ellis and Greg Tomlinson. Good evening, Greg.

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How are you doing? How's it going? Yeah, I'm

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good, thanks. How are you doing? I'm very well,

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I'm very well. So, like the last one, we're doing

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the intro after the episode, which I think works

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a bit better, so we can tell people what to expect.

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And we actually had a debunker on. So this episode

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is us chatting with Beardo. Beardo gets scared,

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so a lot of people, particularly in the UK, will

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have watched his stuff on YouTube. Yeah. He's

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got something like 60 ,000 subscribers on YouTube

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and he does it full time. That's his job. And

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we had a really interesting conversation about

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the paranormal and his own experiences growing

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up and how he got to where he is today. Yeah,

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it's good going back into his life and the man

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behind Beardo, I guess. Yeah. It was a good chat.

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It was a good chat. So, yeah, I thoroughly enjoyed

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it. I really hope everybody else does. Let's

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just get straight into it, I suppose. Yeah, enjoy.

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So, Beardo, welcome along. Thanks for joining

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us today. How are you doing? I'm doing well,

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thank you. It's nice to be here. Nice to be invited

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on. Yeah, it's cool. I'm glad we've got to talk

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to you because we go out as paranormal investigators.

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We do UFO... as well, particularly Ash. Ash has

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got the largest UK UFO current day sighting database.

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All right. Is that right, Ash? That's the one.

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That's the one. And so we flick between UFOs

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and the paranormal in what we do and cryptids

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and everything weird. But we've never had somebody

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on who's a debunker. Reached out. Thank you for

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coming on. Yeah, no worries. But before we get

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into the debunking side, it's a good opportunity

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because I've watched your stuff for years. I

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know my partner is one of the twins and we sit

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and watch your stuff all the time. We even watch

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the paranormal investigations you do, like at

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Priest Cottage when you went there. So it's a

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good opportunity for us to sort of go back a

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bit. and understand where the name Beardo come

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from. I imagine it's quite obvious. Because I'm

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lazy. And really, what got you to where you are

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today, doing YouTube and having tens of thousands

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of subscribers? So how did you get here, basically?

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I suppose if I have to start right at the very

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beginning, it's because I believe that I saw

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a ghost when I was a child. Okay. My parents

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both, I'm an 80s kid and, you know, 80s kids,

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both your parents worked and your grandparents

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kind of took over the parental role Monday to

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Friday because my mum worked nights, my dad worked

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days and dad was a carpenter. My mum did whatever

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she could. Weekends now and again, I'd be in

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my grandparents as well. And my grandparents

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lived near the school and they drove. I had my

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own bedroom there. because my uncle was in the

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forces, so I had his room when he was sort of

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posted out wherever he was. I was in bed. I can

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remember it. I can remember I was watching Return

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of the Jedi, because back when I was a kid, it

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was my favourite Star Wars film. As an adult,

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it's always Empire. And I wasn't sleeping. I

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wasn't getting ready for sleep or anything. I

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remember just having jam and toast, and I looked

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to my right, and there's just a guy stood there.

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And I was very young. four to six years of age.

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And it's a very distinct early memory. And I

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remember screaming, crying, and then my grandfather

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coming in. And my grandfather, he swore a lot.

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He's an ex -sailor, or ex -navy. My grandfather

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comes in, sort of in his pants, all tattooed

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up. Len, Len, bloody hell, he's lost the plot,

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do you have? I'm like, well, there's a man, there's

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a man. And it wasn't like he turned the light

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on and he disappeared. It was like, one minute

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he's there, and I looked. directly into him and

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he was looking at me and then he was gone it

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was sort of as i've let out this scream he's

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gone um when my grandmother asked who i saw and

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i remember saying he was wearing a nice suit

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and that's a green nice suit and that's the only

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way i could describe him so for years after My

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grandparents were like, I know you had a dream.

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And I'm like, no, no, I was watching The Empire

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Strikes Back. I was wide awake. But for years

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and years and years, your family chip away. Because

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I was scared of everything when I was a kid.

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My uncle let me watch Nightmare on Elm Street

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when I was a kid, and it traumatised me. Dreams

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of O 'Freddy and all sorts. But years later,

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my grandparents had a wedding anniversary, and

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all the family got together, and then the Cole

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family went back to my grandparents' house, who

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were a very close -knit family. three aunties,

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my mum and my uncle, all of the kids, we were

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all in the house. And then my uncle starts telling

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a story about when he saw a man in his bedroom.

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And then he describes the exact same experience

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that I had. Now, had I listened to his story

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at some point in my childhood and then remembered

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it as my own, but other people remember me telling

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them that I had seen this guy stood in the bedroom.

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And then my grandmother says, right, I'll come

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back. She comes in, she's got this big dusty

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old photo album, opens it up, and she said, is

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that him? And the hairs on the back of my neck

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stood up. And I was like, yeah. She was like,

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that's your Greek great -grandfather. Now, at

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this point, my Greek grandmother was still alive.

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But my Greek grandfather, he had either died

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just before my nan was born or just after she

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was born. And it was lung conditions due to something

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with the Second World War. And that's what I

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saw. And my uncle was like... That's exactly

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who I saw. The reason my grandmother never showed

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us was, A, I was a very young, sensitive child.

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B, it was the only photograph that she had of

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her dad. So she never brought it up for anyone

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for love nor money in case, you know, younger

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kids spilling drinks or somebody grabbed it or,

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you know, babies in the family and stuff. And

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that's where it started for me. And then it was.

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You'd see TV shows about the paranormal and the

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thing with Jonathan Freaks. I loved Star Trek

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Next Generation. So anything with Commander Riker

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in it, I'd watch it. And he did the strange but

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true and sort of involved into even things like

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UFOs. And I couldn't, you know, unexplained mysteries.

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I'd watch them. And it would be like this, you

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know, DB Cooper. And I'd be like, oh, that's

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boring to me. As soon as there was a UFO or a

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cryptid or a ghost, I'm in. And I fully believed

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in all of it when I was a kid, up until my teens.

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Okay. And what happened in your teens to make

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you, because you said you were fully into it

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until your teens. Yeah, I did. I did a Ouija

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board. There was a group of us. We did a Ouija

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board and we all had a very bad experience with

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it. The quick side of it is we were all between

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15 and 17. My parents had gone away, had a house

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party after being told not to. We were all drinking,

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a few of us were smoking weed and stuff, doing

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a Ouija board. It starts going like crazy and

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we're all blaming each other for pushing it.

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And then the glass, it was that amateur. It was

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a Nutella glass rinsed out that my dad used as

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a whiskey tumbler on the back of a Monopoly board.

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We just drew on it with a marker pen and it sounded

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like somebody had flicked the glass, but it kicked

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up the right way, shot across the room and just

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showered one of the boys in glass. And it was

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sort of him that seemed to be targeted by what

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was being said. And he was like, you boys wouldn't

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have known about my dad. None of us knew that

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he had a dad. It's one of those things you didn't

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ask. Scared the crap out of us. And then for

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a couple, about a year, two years, I thought

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it negatively impacted me. And I may have had

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like this. dark entity attached to me because

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I'd run a bad luck but it wasn't it was just

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me being a dickhead teenager doing stupid things

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you know and then I got a bit older and I wouldn't

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touch reach boards didn't want anything to do

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with them and then every time I was seeing people

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doing them I'm like you're pushing it you're

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pushing it and I was trying to do them on my

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own and nothing ever happened and I'm like ah

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And I was still nervous of them, but I'm like,

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if I'm scared, surely something should be happening.

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And then I kept going out, you know, oh, this

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is a haunted house. It wasn't, it was just an

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abandoned house in villages and whatever. We'd

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go in them pretending to, not pretending, trying

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to catch ghosts, you know, but as sort of 16,

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17, 18 year olds. And then I got a bit old for

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that and it just seemed to just fizzle out. And

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then Most Haunted landed and I was, hook, line,

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sinker. There were elements of it, like Derek's

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stuff. I've never, despite how much I believed,

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I never, ever believed in psychic mediums. I

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always just, it always just seemed like a con

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to me. But then I remember watching James Randi

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busting Uri Geller and things like that. So that

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was always in the back of my mind. And the first

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couple of years, Kieran O 'Keefe of Most Haunted,

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to me, was the villain. He's like, he's just

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this boring guy. They're saying that none of

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it's real. And then I started to go out again.

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I used to go down to Neath Abbey, me and the

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boys. It was like a most haunted watch party,

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not just for the lives, for an episode. All piling

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into two cars down to Neath Abbey, calling out,

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where's the knocks? Where's the bangs? Why is

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nothing getting thrown? Why is it so quiet? Right,

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let's try this place that's supposed to be haunted,

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like Margam. And then we're like, nothing's happening.

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Nothing at all is happening. It's not real. And

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then Kieran sort of... instead of being the villain

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of the piece, then became sort of the guy that

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I modelled myself after, just a bit more sweary

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and ranty. So kind of going back to that original

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kind of Ouija board experience, how do you look

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back on that sort of being older and wiser and

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obviously what you're doing now? So say, for

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example, someone's showing you that video of

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that happening. Yeah. How would you kind of,

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what's your kind of thoughts on that looking

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back now? I wish... I wish there was video evidence

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of it because it sounds so fantastical that I

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don't trust my own memory of it. And then when

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I told that story on my channel, one of the guys

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that was there was watching and I didn't realise.

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And then he messaged me and he was like, why

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are you lying about the date? So what do you

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mean? He said, you said it was on Halloween and

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it wasn't. It was on Valentine's Day. It's like,

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what are you on about? And then he said, oh,

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that was the other one. He said, we weren't watching

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Friday the 13th. We were watching. Oh, it's gone.

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I thought we were watching Friday the 13th. And

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he said we were watching the original Pet Sematary

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before it happened. I was like, I don't know.

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And then we got a hold of three or four. There

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were eight of us around the table and we've spoken

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to three or four of us. We all remember different

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people being there. We all remember different

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movies. There's bits that we all. sort of can

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put together and like well that definitely happened

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because we all remember that but false memory

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is such a bizarre thing and what it can do because

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i assumed that i'd remembered it beat by beat

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exactly what happened and i don't and even as

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skeptical as i am these days i mean i'm still

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a skeptical believer i don't know what caused

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that to me that can't happen and that's the one

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thing we did all agree on that glass sounded

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like somebody flicked it It took off and then

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it burst midday. We all agreed on that. Looking

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back, when people are saying like the poltergeist

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activity around teenagers and stuff, could it

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actually be something to do with teenagers and

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hormones? Well, there's a lot of anger in that

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room. And one of the guys was really upset because

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the Ouija board was talking about his passed

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away father that we, as far as I knew, none of

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us knew anything about. I certainly didn't. So

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I'm wondering if like... It sounds almost as

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ridiculous that we telekinetically made a glass

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explode as a demon jumped on the board with us,

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you know? So I'd love to see something. I wish

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there was sort of, I mean, back then video cameras,

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very expensive, very cumbersome and not, you

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know, on tape. So I don't know. There's part

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of me thinks that what we experienced something

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creepy. But for the most part, it was just drunk,

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stoned teenagers being idiots. It's funny you

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should talk about the telekinesis. I've done

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a couple of talks where I talk about poltergeist

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activity being a result of the manifestation

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of a troubled mind. So I do believe that there

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is something to that. I mean, a lot of the cases

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revolve around that. Would you do a Ouija board

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now? I've done them. I've done them at the Ancient

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Ram Inn. I've done them at the East Drive. A

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couple of abandoned plates. I don't always include

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them in my video because it doesn't move. And

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it's also led me to questioning the ideomotor

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effect because I'm like, well, where's the ideomotor

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effect when me and people I trust are doing it?

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Surely if the ideomotor effect is pushing this

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100 % of the time. we should be getting movement,

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whether we believe it or not. And we're not.

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So even as sceptics, because the ideomotor effect

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is described as, you know, minute movements,

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but your brain is telling you what the next letter

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is. Well, where's our minute movement? Because

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if you tell somebody not to do something, like

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if I say to you, don't think of a red polar bear,

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well, you're either going to think of it or try

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not to think about it, but think about it because

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you're not thinking about it. I don't know. I

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don't know. It's really weird and bizarre. And

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for a long time, I was really nervous of them.

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I wouldn't be around them. I wouldn't have Ouija

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board. It's like people have Ouija board backpacks

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and T -shirts. I wouldn't have those near me.

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I was terrified of them. But now I've got three

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in this room. I mean, my wife wouldn't let me

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have one in the house. But now there's three

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in here. She's not happy about it, but... So

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I was going to say, so... Getting on from there

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to kind of your channel and the kind of debunking

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side of things. Yeah. What sort of made you go

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down that sort of lane? So obviously on your

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videos, you are quite outspoken. You don't put

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any punches. It's probably led to sort of kind

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of your kind of how well known you are. That's

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what sort of made you go down the channel of

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as well doing the Panamigas games, but also kind

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of just calling out these teams that are doing

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these, well, a lot of fake or possibly fake videos.

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The reason I get as aggravated as I do is because

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of what Most Haunted did to the paranormal and

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what the fakers do to the paranormal. Because

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every time I say that I saw a ghost when I was

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a child, the first thing people do is, well,

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like this, and they'll show you Most Haunted

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or Lainey and Ben or Really Haunted or... whoever

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that because that's what's popular and it's so

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over the top dramatic and stupid that it makes

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my experiences look stupid to other people and

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that wasn't a stupid experience to me it was

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real and it scared the shit out of me and it

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impacted my life to a point where I've spent

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since 2003 lurking around abbeys derelict buildings

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and you know in search of more proof, you know,

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because I don't trust my young mind. I trust

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my mind more now. But every time they fake something

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or every time, you know, Carl getting pulled

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up the stairs in 30 East Drive, that and obviously

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the lady flicking coins off the banister and

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stuff, that has made 90 % of people say that

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there is nothing at 30 East Drive. It made me

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say there was nothing at 30 East Drive. I've

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been there seven times, but nine nights in total.

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And I've had two experiences there that I've

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never had anywhere else. I'm like, there may

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be something to 30 East Drive. And it's not the

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knocks on the walls and it's not a violent poltergeist,

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but there's something just strange on occasion

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in that house. People I trust have had strange

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occurrences in that house where people phone

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me from the house, like, can you debunk this?

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I'm like, well, no, I don't know what it is.

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But every time somebody puts a fake video out

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from 30 East Drive, that's what people remember.

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People are not remembering people's experiences

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because they're more mundane than the guys launching

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stuff about or putting knives in sofas. And it's

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ruined, to me, most haunted, ruined the TV paranormal

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for me. I loved taps when I was younger. Obviously,

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I've become really good friends with Jason Hall.

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Some people are like, oh, but they used K2 meters.

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And I'm like, back then, yeah, we didn't know

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any different. Nobody did. My channel, when I

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first started, I was using K2 meters until I

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learned different. It's all about the learning

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process. Weed out what's not real and then latch

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on to something new. My biggest gripe with the

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paranormal right now is there's no new ideas.

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There's no new experiments. It's the same thing.

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And the definition of madness is to keep doing

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the same thing over and over and expect different

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results. I'm a little different because I go

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into haunted locations and I investigate them

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the same as YouTubers do because that's how they

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get their experiences. So I win either way. If

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I get an experience, fantastic. I've had an experience

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and it sort of bolsters this thing to me that

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the paranormal is real. And if I can debunk everything

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or catch fakery or prove fakery, well, I win

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anyway because I'm a debunker as well as an investigator.

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But every investigator should be a debunker.

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Take the falseness out of a clean and then look

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at what's left over. We went to 30th Drive and

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we had some mad stuff happen there. I've been

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a couple of times now. That was Ash's first time.

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It is a strange place. It is a strange place.

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And I don't know whether that's because of the

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hype around it. I say hype because... It's had

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the movie made and all that kind of stuff. So

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people have this impression of what it's like,

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and it is a weird vibe in there, regardless of

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what you like. Yeah, the reputation is kind of,

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it's on a knife edge because some people go there

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and they're like, oh, it's a con because nothing

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happened. And I'm like, well, doesn't that lead

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to more credibility? Because if it happened every

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day. then the paranormal wouldn't be the paranormal.

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It'd be the very normal because you can pay and

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experience it. Same as buildings with CCTV cameras

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and stuff. And they capture the odd thing here

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and there. And it's like, well, what about the

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rest of the time? Well, it's not that normal.

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Otherwise we'd know about it. We'd understand

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it and we could quantify it. Scientists. We put

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more time, effort, money and resources into it

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and they don't. Well, I was quite surprised how

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many universities are actually still putting

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a lot of money into the paranormal and work into

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the paranormal. Yeah, we've had somebody on and

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she was struggling to be taken seriously in the

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paranormal because she was a woman. And she decided

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she would go to university. She studied parapsychology

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and she got a doctorate and part of her thesis

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was EVPs. And that, to her, gave her the credibility.

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But I do think you can actually study parapsychology

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as part of a psychology degree, which is super

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cool. My daughter's actually in her third year

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of psychology. Really? Why didn't you do parapsychology?

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I've got a younger daughter. She's just about

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to go to university in September to do psychology

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as well. And I'm like, please get into the paranormal.

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Please. I mean, Ira, do you think with Uncanny,

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obviously Uncanny's insanely popular. It's like

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the most recent thing with any sort of buzz around

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it in the paranormal. With it being more accepted

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by mainstream audiences and being less insulting

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to everyone's intelligence, because obviously

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you've got Team Skeptic, Team Believer, Danny

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is like us in the situation, just hearing the

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story and asking these two experts. Do you wonder

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if it could... make or influence more people

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doing parapsychology because they're like i could

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make a tv show or an amazon prime or a netflix

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documentary or something because it seems to

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be gaining traction and it's the less ridiculous

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stuff that's gaining traction yeah i think it

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could do absolutely i think people see when it

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starts to be taken a bit more seriously which

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i think over the years, it's becoming normal

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to talk about the paranormal. Yeah. You can go,

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I'll say to people at work, what we do, we do

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the podcast and we go out and they go, I could

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never do that. I said, okay, do you believe in

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it? They go, no, not really. They go, but I did

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have this experience when I was younger. my mum

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or my auntie or my uncle, they've had this weird

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experience. And so like, oh, okay. And I've got

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a guy at work and he's like, I don't believe

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in it. I want solid proof from you, Greg, because

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we go out all the time, me and Ash and the girls.

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And we're just like, I show him stuff. He goes,

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no, not good enough. We've had some really good

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evidence. Look, we believe good evidence. Yeah.

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Or stuff happening. We've had weird stuff happening

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all the time. all at different locations, different

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nights. Sometimes we've not had stuff, which,

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like you said, that's good that stuff doesn't

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happen. Yeah. But he's like, no, don't believe

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it. But he's actually had an experience himself

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that he can't explain. I'm like, well, you don't

00:24:01.829 --> 00:24:03.470
believe in it, but you've just told me you've

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had this weird experience that you can't explain.

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I said, I don't know how I can ever get... Get

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you to believe if you don't even believe the

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experience. Some people will never believe and

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they'll put it down to their own mind playing

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tricks on them, biology or mould or whatever.

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And they're probably more right than we will

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ever be. I just happen to believe that there

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is something else to it all. I don't like the

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idea that we're here for however long our lifespan

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is and then that's just it. It's not even like

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there's darkness after. There is nothing. you

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cease to exist what a horrible thought and it's

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like oh you're living in the cuckoo cloud cuckoo

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land and yeah i'd rather live with my head a

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little bit in cuckoo land and think there may

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be something after yeah what do you what do you

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think happens then what are your thoughts i don't

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know i genuinely don't know um i don't know if

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we level up or we go into a different dimension

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or We just cease. I don't like to think that.

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My head says we just cease to exist, but my heart

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says there's got to be more experiences I've

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had, and it's a more comfortable feeling to me.

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But when we get further into quantum physics

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and dimensions and things, I think that's where

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science may say, actually, all of these experiences,

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not all of them, but a lot of these experiences

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that people... thought they had that were written

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off could have an element of realness to them

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because of some displacement of a dimension or

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some tear in the fabric of something that we

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don't yet know a name for it because it hasn't

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been discovered. Science is always discovering

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new things and maybe one day, hopefully in our

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lifetime, scientists will discover something

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where it proves my experiences as me not being

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a crazy kid and even crazier adult, I guess.

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Have you had any experiences as an adult that's

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come close to the one you had when you were a

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child? Not seeing a full -bodied apparition,

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no. That's the holy grail for me, is to see a

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full -bodied apparition as an adult. I don't

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care if I capture it on camera and I don't care

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if anyone believes me, as long as I know for

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me that it's happened twice, you know. But I

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thought I saw something at 30 East Drive. But

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it wasn't quite corner of the eye. I was almost

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looking direct. It sort of crossed into my direct

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vision. And I didn't assume paranormal. I thought

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Carol was in the house, the cleaner from next

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door. But she wasn't. That was a bit weird. And

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I stupidly completely dismissed it due to high

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EMF under the kitchen strip light. Because I'd

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always been told that high EMF can cause hallucinations.

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And it can't. There's no proof of that. The same

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night, Dean saw something cross at the top of

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the stairs, but his was more of a light anomaly

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that he saw with his eyes than, you know, like

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an orb, because orbs, no. I don't believe in

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orbs. But I was at a care home with a channel

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called Exploring the Entity. We had permission

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to go there. Basically, a door was left open

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for us by somebody who was looking after the

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place. And we're doing the investigation. They

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had stuff there all the time, every time they

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went. pretty much they were capturing stuff and

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I'm like, there's something up with that. Either

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it's really active or my friends have been lying

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to me and I don't want to think that I'm a friend.

00:27:40.440 --> 00:27:43.380
So I went with them and I walked in and they

00:27:43.380 --> 00:27:45.619
were like, isn't it creepy? I was like, no, it

00:27:45.619 --> 00:27:48.160
looks really nice. This could be, you know, it's

00:27:48.160 --> 00:27:51.160
being salvaged. It's being rescued. It'd be a

00:27:51.160 --> 00:27:53.599
fantastic wedding venue with that nice sprawling

00:27:53.599 --> 00:27:56.140
stake. So we're walking around and I'm like,

00:27:56.200 --> 00:27:59.170
I'm not. creeped out by it. There's still power

00:27:59.170 --> 00:28:00.809
there to a degree. You know, not everywhere,

00:28:00.910 --> 00:28:02.589
but there's power. There's certain areas we weren't

00:28:02.589 --> 00:28:06.720
allowed in. We go up the stairs. I'm like, can

00:28:06.720 --> 00:28:08.980
you knock or can you do something? And there's

00:28:08.980 --> 00:28:11.059
a door in front of me and I've just checked this

00:28:11.059 --> 00:28:13.200
room. I've gone in there. It's a little tiny

00:28:13.200 --> 00:28:16.220
bathroom. The toilet's clogged. No windows open.

00:28:16.440 --> 00:28:18.950
I've opened it and gone, oh! Closed the door

00:28:18.950 --> 00:28:21.490
because it reeks in there. And as I'm walking

00:28:21.490 --> 00:28:23.650
away, I'm called out and it sounded like somebody

00:28:23.650 --> 00:28:26.109
just banged on the door behind me. And I'm like...

00:28:26.410 --> 00:28:29.750
Like, did I not shut it? So I spent, in the video,

00:28:29.869 --> 00:28:31.849
I just walk over there and go, no, it's not moving.

00:28:32.069 --> 00:28:35.109
But in real time, I was an hour. Like, did I

00:28:35.109 --> 00:28:37.589
leave it on a latch there that much? And then

00:28:37.589 --> 00:28:39.490
it popped open instead of closing. I'm like,

00:28:39.630 --> 00:28:43.420
I can't recreate that. That on its own was nothing.

00:28:43.559 --> 00:28:45.900
I didn't care about that, but it was still interesting.

00:28:46.640 --> 00:28:48.720
And then we go downstairs and they were like,

00:28:48.839 --> 00:28:50.960
why are you so quiet tonight when we've got a

00:28:50.960 --> 00:28:53.180
friend here? And my brain is going, it's quiet

00:28:53.180 --> 00:28:57.470
because I'm here. It happens all the time. And

00:28:57.470 --> 00:29:00.930
then Lucy says, oh, is it time for bed? Are we

00:29:00.930 --> 00:29:04.069
keeping you up? And I hear this really loud shh

00:29:04.329 --> 00:29:08.490
right in my ear. And it's the only time I've

00:29:08.490 --> 00:29:11.069
ever like proper jumped on investigation, looked

00:29:11.069 --> 00:29:13.130
and been like, and I didn't know what to do.

00:29:13.269 --> 00:29:16.289
I sort of froze, but turned my head. And Carl

00:29:16.289 --> 00:29:18.730
says, what did you hear then? I said, I swear

00:29:18.730 --> 00:29:22.069
I have just heard someone tell me to shush. And

00:29:22.069 --> 00:29:24.250
he went, I heard it as well. And then Lucy said,

00:29:24.329 --> 00:29:27.029
I heard words. Nathan says, I heard words. I

00:29:27.029 --> 00:29:28.849
was like, I just heard a shh, but it was loud.

00:29:29.710 --> 00:29:31.650
Well, I don't think my camera's going to capture

00:29:31.650 --> 00:29:33.829
it because there's a door there where my head

00:29:33.829 --> 00:29:35.910
is, but I've got a camera resting on a banister

00:29:35.910 --> 00:29:38.289
looking up the stairs. So there's a wall in front

00:29:38.289 --> 00:29:41.690
of my directional microphone. So I go into this

00:29:41.690 --> 00:29:43.450
room and I'm like, there's got to be an air freshener,

00:29:43.450 --> 00:29:46.369
you know, electronic air freshener or the timer.

00:29:46.470 --> 00:29:49.450
And that's where I couldn't find the air freshener.

00:29:49.490 --> 00:29:50.730
And I'm like, there's somebody here messing with

00:29:50.730 --> 00:29:53.089
me then. All the doors are locked. I'm like,

00:29:53.230 --> 00:29:58.029
that was really weird. When we played the footage

00:29:58.029 --> 00:30:00.569
back, my camera didn't capture it. Carl's did.

00:30:00.710 --> 00:30:03.349
Lucy's did. Nathan didn't because he was looking

00:30:03.349 --> 00:30:06.849
up the stairs. And they had a Zoom H2 microphone

00:30:06.849 --> 00:30:10.519
on a chair. And what it sounds like it says is

00:30:10.519 --> 00:30:13.539
go to sleep. And it was that sleep bit that I

00:30:13.539 --> 00:30:16.880
thought somebody shushed me. It made me like,

00:30:17.000 --> 00:30:19.880
oh, I really didn't like it. I went upstairs

00:30:19.880 --> 00:30:21.920
and they're like, can you knock? And then we

00:30:21.920 --> 00:30:24.220
were getting knocks back. And I've never, ever

00:30:24.220 --> 00:30:27.339
experienced. that anywhere else. And I was like,

00:30:27.380 --> 00:30:29.480
that's got to be an echo. So I'm walking around

00:30:29.480 --> 00:30:31.900
because the building is basically a big square

00:30:31.900 --> 00:30:35.140
building, but the middle of it is blocked off.

00:30:36.259 --> 00:30:38.140
And I stood further down the corridor, further

00:30:38.140 --> 00:30:39.559
down the corridor, and these knocks are still

00:30:39.559 --> 00:30:41.420
coming. And I'm like, it's an echo from you guys.

00:30:41.680 --> 00:30:44.319
It's coming from this room. And I go in a room,

00:30:44.339 --> 00:30:49.829
right, guys, knock now. Nothing. Oh, that's weird.

00:30:50.190 --> 00:30:52.430
And then nobody knocks. And then it sounds like

00:30:52.430 --> 00:30:54.049
somebody knocked the mirror in the room that

00:30:54.049 --> 00:30:56.470
I was in. And I was like. Now, I'm not saying

00:30:56.470 --> 00:30:59.450
it was a ghost, but I've not experienced that

00:30:59.450 --> 00:31:01.609
before. And I was like, that was really, really

00:31:01.609 --> 00:31:04.349
bizarre. And then it went flat, really quiet.

00:31:05.279 --> 00:31:07.619
And the end of the night, Carl was like, so is

00:31:07.619 --> 00:31:10.019
this place haunted? I said, I don't know. It's

00:31:10.019 --> 00:31:11.900
the only place I've said I don't know, apart

00:31:11.900 --> 00:31:14.299
from East Drive. I'm not going to say it is,

00:31:14.359 --> 00:31:16.259
but I'm certainly not going to say that it isn't,

00:31:16.259 --> 00:31:17.839
because there's certainly something here we need

00:31:17.839 --> 00:31:20.470
to come back and... It's quite a drive for me.

00:31:20.509 --> 00:31:22.670
And as it was, we lost access to there because

00:31:22.670 --> 00:31:25.490
some urbexers had found it. And even though they

00:31:25.490 --> 00:31:27.349
didn't damage the place, they put it back, everything

00:31:27.349 --> 00:31:30.089
as it was. But the staff were like, we can't

00:31:30.089 --> 00:31:31.710
leave a door open because people have got in.

00:31:31.849 --> 00:31:34.170
So massive shame that we couldn't go back and

00:31:34.170 --> 00:31:37.200
investigate it. But the building has been saved.

00:31:37.279 --> 00:31:39.240
This beautiful building is now being transformed

00:31:39.240 --> 00:31:42.059
into a hotel instead of a care home. So at least

00:31:42.059 --> 00:31:45.210
we're not just losing a building of, you know,

00:31:45.210 --> 00:31:52.279
an old, beautiful building. So kind of. So I'll

00:31:52.279 --> 00:31:54.019
go into debunking a little bit. I wanted to ask,

00:31:54.119 --> 00:31:56.420
because the word debunk and debunker can stir

00:31:56.420 --> 00:31:59.619
up emotions in people, let's say. And you've

00:31:59.619 --> 00:32:03.039
had some quite public spats with different people,

00:32:03.079 --> 00:32:04.279
especially in the past couple of weeks. I've

00:32:04.279 --> 00:32:06.299
seen some of the polls you've put on, some of

00:32:06.299 --> 00:32:09.559
the disgusting comments that one particular person

00:32:09.559 --> 00:32:12.140
was making. How does that kind of affect you

00:32:12.140 --> 00:32:15.940
doing this stuff? I mean, obviously you have

00:32:15.940 --> 00:32:18.740
your sort of public sort of face and obviously

00:32:18.740 --> 00:32:21.049
response to it, but how... Does that kind of

00:32:21.049 --> 00:32:22.450
affect you when you're doing this work and getting

00:32:22.450 --> 00:32:24.230
these comments and threats and stuff from people?

00:32:24.430 --> 00:32:26.930
I'm an ex -doorman and an ex -bailiff, so...

00:32:26.930 --> 00:32:33.250
I've dealt with all of it before, but normally

00:32:33.250 --> 00:32:39.339
that far away from my face. So I think because

00:32:39.339 --> 00:32:42.960
it's not to my face, I deal with it worse. Not

00:32:42.960 --> 00:32:46.359
so much I deal with it worse, like I go off afterwards

00:32:46.359 --> 00:32:49.119
and I'm like, oh, my feelings. It's more I deal

00:32:49.119 --> 00:32:52.509
with it worse, like... I don't really de -escalate

00:32:52.509 --> 00:32:54.410
like I would because somebody may punch me in

00:32:54.410 --> 00:32:56.329
the face while I'm stood there. I'm just like,

00:32:56.390 --> 00:32:58.210
I'm just some guy on the internet. You'll have

00:32:58.210 --> 00:33:01.410
your back both barrels. And a lot of people seem

00:33:01.410 --> 00:33:04.890
to think that I wouldn't be the way I am in real

00:33:04.890 --> 00:33:07.730
life. And my wife will tell anyone he's worse.

00:33:08.609 --> 00:33:10.970
Like I'm the type of guy, if somebody spits,

00:33:10.970 --> 00:33:12.750
if I'm walking on the street, somebody spits

00:33:12.750 --> 00:33:15.369
next to me, I can't help it. I'm just like, you

00:33:15.369 --> 00:33:18.369
dirty, what the fuck are you doing? It's disgusting.

00:33:18.970 --> 00:33:21.890
And she's like, come on. I'm like, no, why do

00:33:21.890 --> 00:33:25.150
that? There's a bin there or a tissue or something.

00:33:25.670 --> 00:33:28.589
I've always just been, as a child, I was very

00:33:28.589 --> 00:33:32.309
shy. I was bullied horrendously in school. And

00:33:32.309 --> 00:33:34.990
then I got to my teenage years. College was really

00:33:34.990 --> 00:33:37.430
different for me. I became very popular in college.

00:33:38.190 --> 00:33:41.369
And then I was always the smallest bailiff, the

00:33:41.369 --> 00:33:45.309
smallest doorman. You know, I'm six foot, but

00:33:45.529 --> 00:33:47.690
I was always really slim. I mean, obviously I'm

00:33:47.690 --> 00:33:52.240
not anymore. But I sort of made up for being

00:33:52.240 --> 00:33:54.579
a smaller doorman and a smaller bailiff with

00:33:54.579 --> 00:33:57.359
being overly confident and really gobby. And

00:33:57.359 --> 00:34:00.420
I do have an ability to talk my way out of a

00:34:00.420 --> 00:34:02.519
lot of situations, even if I've got to back down

00:34:02.519 --> 00:34:05.960
and be like, yep, do you know what? Sorry. I

00:34:05.960 --> 00:34:08.559
could have, the recent stuff with those disgusting

00:34:08.559 --> 00:34:11.559
comments, I could have made that so much worse.

00:34:11.739 --> 00:34:15.699
And when I was apologised by one of them, I believe

00:34:15.699 --> 00:34:17.909
genuinely. I could have just said, nah, forget

00:34:17.909 --> 00:34:20.170
that, your channel. And I could have kept going

00:34:20.170 --> 00:34:21.690
at them. But I'm like, nah, if he's going to

00:34:21.690 --> 00:34:23.469
be a man and apologise to me, it's only fair

00:34:23.469 --> 00:34:25.650
that I put out there that he's apologised to

00:34:25.650 --> 00:34:28.269
me, apologised on behalf of the guy that made

00:34:28.269 --> 00:34:31.750
those comments. Some people will see that as

00:34:31.750 --> 00:34:35.349
me pandering. I think it's me just being a human

00:34:35.349 --> 00:34:37.630
being. If somebody's going to take the time to

00:34:37.630 --> 00:34:39.730
private message me over it, then I've got a bit

00:34:39.730 --> 00:34:44.239
of time for them. Yeah, I think the ability to

00:34:44.239 --> 00:34:48.570
admit you're wrong or apologise to someone, I

00:34:49.079 --> 00:34:53.440
think that in itself can be very challenging

00:34:53.440 --> 00:34:57.639
for people to do. Especially publicly. Yeah,

00:34:57.659 --> 00:35:04.760
publicly and across social media where it's there.

00:35:05.460 --> 00:35:08.480
Everyone's seeing it. It's in black and white.

00:35:08.500 --> 00:35:10.039
And if you've written it, you've written it.

00:35:11.300 --> 00:35:14.159
Or if you've apologised privately, yeah, that's...

00:35:14.679 --> 00:35:17.260
That, to me, as well, I would be in a similar

00:35:17.260 --> 00:35:22.849
position. I would accept their apology or go

00:35:22.849 --> 00:35:25.989
to some way of saying, well, that's respectful.

00:35:26.550 --> 00:35:28.429
Regardless of what's happened, that's respectful

00:35:28.429 --> 00:35:32.429
to me. Like you say, you could just carry on

00:35:32.429 --> 00:35:37.730
doing stuff. The fact that he inboxed me privately

00:35:37.730 --> 00:35:42.409
rather than just a public apology for audiences.

00:35:43.309 --> 00:35:47.170
He came to me first. That meant a bit more to

00:35:47.170 --> 00:35:48.349
me. He was like, all right, you haven't done

00:35:48.349 --> 00:35:50.949
this for his fan base. He hasn't done this. Maybe

00:35:50.949 --> 00:35:53.710
he did. I don't know. But I'll take a chance

00:35:53.710 --> 00:35:56.090
on that. He just genuinely didn't know what that

00:35:56.090 --> 00:35:59.190
guy was doing and felt really bad about it. And

00:35:59.190 --> 00:36:00.530
he told me I can make whatever videos I want

00:36:00.530 --> 00:36:03.329
on his channel and ridicule him and ridicule

00:36:03.329 --> 00:36:05.530
the history they go wrong and stuff. And I'm

00:36:05.530 --> 00:36:13.329
like, it's no fun then. It's a mad one because...

00:36:14.300 --> 00:36:18.119
I'm mainly UFO kind of person. Greg mentioned

00:36:18.119 --> 00:36:20.219
the sort of website in the group that I've grown

00:36:20.219 --> 00:36:24.460
over the past six or seven years. So we have

00:36:24.460 --> 00:36:26.500
the database and we investigate UFO sightings

00:36:26.500 --> 00:36:32.019
kind of across the UK. My organisation name is

00:36:32.019 --> 00:36:36.079
UFO Identified. We get these sighting reports

00:36:36.079 --> 00:36:37.659
and we go and investigate them and speak to the

00:36:37.659 --> 00:36:41.019
witness. We'll go to location. We will 99 % of

00:36:41.019 --> 00:36:45.760
the time explain that as... balloons, ISS, whatever

00:36:45.760 --> 00:36:50.340
it is. Swamp gas. Swamp gas, Venus, all these

00:36:50.340 --> 00:36:53.719
things. And even from the witnesses themselves,

00:36:53.980 --> 00:36:55.739
when I saw, we do the case reports, we do it

00:36:55.739 --> 00:36:58.699
all quite formally with case reports and write

00:36:58.699 --> 00:37:00.460
up some reports and everything and give that

00:37:00.460 --> 00:37:04.559
back to the witness. And stuff that I've been

00:37:04.559 --> 00:37:07.500
called just from, because it's their site and

00:37:07.500 --> 00:37:10.539
it's their story they told to people. And I'm

00:37:10.539 --> 00:37:12.800
basically saying, it's nothing unusual. It was

00:37:12.800 --> 00:37:14.840
this, it was that. And they always explain the

00:37:14.840 --> 00:37:16.079
reasons why. And you get some people that are

00:37:16.079 --> 00:37:17.659
like, yeah, cool, they just wanted an answer

00:37:17.659 --> 00:37:19.820
and we give them the answer. You get people that

00:37:19.820 --> 00:37:23.519
just won't accept that it's not an alien spaceship

00:37:23.519 --> 00:37:27.219
that's come to take them or whatever. And I've

00:37:27.219 --> 00:37:31.679
been called the bunker government shill. We've

00:37:31.679 --> 00:37:34.340
been called government shills many times. Also,

00:37:34.440 --> 00:37:37.539
just for... telling the truth. Like say 99 %

00:37:37.539 --> 00:37:39.960
of the science we get, if we get hundreds reported

00:37:39.960 --> 00:37:43.280
every year, we can explain. And we put all the

00:37:43.280 --> 00:37:44.900
reports on the website and then we get the few.

00:37:45.079 --> 00:37:47.579
I think there's three or four over the past six

00:37:47.579 --> 00:37:49.940
years that I cannot explain. And they're the

00:37:49.940 --> 00:37:51.920
ones that, obviously the ones we want, because

00:37:51.920 --> 00:37:53.639
you sort of have to go through the chaff to get

00:37:53.639 --> 00:37:58.059
to the wheat. So we sort of pass off it like

00:37:58.059 --> 00:38:00.320
what you do, where you've got to go through the

00:38:00.320 --> 00:38:02.699
crap, you've got to go through the shit to get

00:38:02.699 --> 00:38:04.800
to the... to the goal to think, I've actually

00:38:04.800 --> 00:38:07.539
got something here. And the thing that, again,

00:38:07.599 --> 00:38:10.019
adds credibility because if every report on our

00:38:10.019 --> 00:38:12.340
website was UFO, UFO, can't explain, can't explain,

00:38:12.420 --> 00:38:14.039
can't explain, then it's like, are we actually

00:38:14.039 --> 00:38:16.420
looking into it properly? Or whereas half of

00:38:16.420 --> 00:38:18.619
motorized ports are, yeah, this was this or whatever.

00:38:19.539 --> 00:38:21.579
But you get the people where, you get the people

00:38:21.579 --> 00:38:23.199
that are always going to believe no matter what.

00:38:23.599 --> 00:38:24.800
And you get the people that are always going

00:38:24.800 --> 00:38:27.300
to not believe no matter what. Which is like

00:38:27.300 --> 00:38:29.280
you said, kind of at the top of the show where...

00:38:29.630 --> 00:38:32.429
It's the ones that are clearly fake or whatever,

00:38:32.469 --> 00:38:35.409
that get these millions of views and these popular

00:38:35.409 --> 00:38:37.389
TikTok accounts and social media accounts where

00:38:37.389 --> 00:38:41.510
it's all fake stuff. So I find it really annoying.

00:38:41.650 --> 00:38:44.769
I've always said from the start, I'm happy to

00:38:44.769 --> 00:38:46.769
have 10 people visit our website or subscribe

00:38:46.769 --> 00:38:50.210
to our channel or our TikTok because it's real.

00:38:50.349 --> 00:38:53.250
I'd rather have 10 people liking our real stuff

00:38:53.250 --> 00:38:55.940
than having a million people that... Following

00:38:55.940 --> 00:38:58.300
us because we're putting fake stuff out. It can

00:38:58.300 --> 00:39:02.219
be a hard line because are people, the millions

00:39:02.219 --> 00:39:04.420
of people watching it because it's entertainment

00:39:04.420 --> 00:39:06.539
and they see it as entertainment or are they

00:39:06.539 --> 00:39:08.780
actually believing it? Where do you think that

00:39:08.780 --> 00:39:13.039
kind of line is with these channels, I guess?

00:39:13.280 --> 00:39:17.119
I'm probably the wrong one to ask because even

00:39:17.119 --> 00:39:20.340
though I'm a debunker, I mean, I never called

00:39:20.340 --> 00:39:23.289
myself a debunker. That's been... bestowed upon

00:39:23.289 --> 00:39:26.829
me by the community i was just my original idea

00:39:26.829 --> 00:39:29.510
was just to do reaction videos to scary videos

00:39:29.510 --> 00:39:33.300
and basically i was going to be a really cheap

00:39:33.300 --> 00:39:37.559
carbon copy of casper site my daughter loves

00:39:37.559 --> 00:39:40.199
casper so i've spoken to ben over the years i

00:39:40.199 --> 00:39:41.920
was initially very cruel to him and he's been

00:39:41.920 --> 00:39:44.079
very forgiving of it and we've you know we've

00:39:44.079 --> 00:39:46.719
had a few very pleasant conversations over the

00:39:46.719 --> 00:39:50.019
years um And that's where I was going. But it

00:39:50.019 --> 00:39:52.039
was like, I'm watching these top five videos.

00:39:52.099 --> 00:39:54.000
And I think my first two, I was like, oh, that's

00:39:54.000 --> 00:39:55.480
creepy. That's cool. I don't know about that.

00:39:56.059 --> 00:39:59.119
And then it was like, bullshit, bullshit. But

00:39:59.119 --> 00:40:02.960
how was people falling for that? And then I was

00:40:02.960 --> 00:40:04.619
like, I'm going to go start looking at channels

00:40:04.619 --> 00:40:07.659
that I used to watch and that I used to enjoy.

00:40:08.159 --> 00:40:12.019
I was like, oh, why was I believing this stuff?

00:40:13.380 --> 00:40:16.630
But then I also went back to channels that. I

00:40:16.630 --> 00:40:18.250
tried to watch and was like, this is boring.

00:40:18.429 --> 00:40:20.869
Nothing's happening. Channels like the Ouija

00:40:20.869 --> 00:40:23.570
Brothers. And then obviously I started watching

00:40:23.570 --> 00:40:28.369
them again three or four years ago. And I pretty

00:40:28.369 --> 00:40:30.489
much watched their entire back catalogue. And

00:40:30.489 --> 00:40:33.449
I'm like, in six years, they've had three things.

00:40:33.769 --> 00:40:36.630
Three things where you could be, that could be

00:40:36.630 --> 00:40:39.429
paranormal, that could be weird. And that's it.

00:40:39.469 --> 00:40:41.690
And I'm like, that's the real life. That's the

00:40:41.690 --> 00:40:44.150
experience that I have when I'm investigating

00:40:44.150 --> 00:40:48.369
or been investigating. Very rare, very few and

00:40:48.369 --> 00:40:51.010
far between. But we all do B -roll on our investigations.

00:40:51.289 --> 00:40:54.530
We all use music in the intros. We all try to

00:40:54.530 --> 00:40:57.010
tell the dramatic story. And then, you know,

00:40:57.030 --> 00:40:59.289
we all blow our load early. We've got this video

00:40:59.289 --> 00:41:02.289
with all these creepy cinematics and, you know,

00:41:02.289 --> 00:41:04.269
bars at the top and bottom of the screen. And

00:41:04.269 --> 00:41:06.449
we've darkened the corners and we've colour graded.

00:41:06.530 --> 00:41:07.829
But then as soon as you go into night vision,

00:41:07.909 --> 00:41:11.670
we just stood around like that, weren't we? Anyone?

00:41:12.050 --> 00:41:17.920
No? Knock. There's that entertainment element

00:41:17.920 --> 00:41:19.860
to all of it. Otherwise, I wouldn't do YouTube.

00:41:20.480 --> 00:41:23.599
Even if I was writing an article, which I'm not

00:41:23.599 --> 00:41:25.679
a writer. I've tried, and I'm terrible at it.

00:41:26.059 --> 00:41:29.099
I'm far better suited to using my voice and my

00:41:29.099 --> 00:41:31.719
personality and joking. I mean, most people,

00:41:31.800 --> 00:41:33.719
I make a joke, and people are offended, and I'm

00:41:33.719 --> 00:41:36.239
like, do you not watch comedians? Because I'm

00:41:36.239 --> 00:41:39.800
tame. But, yeah, there's an element of entertainment

00:41:39.800 --> 00:41:43.769
for anything that's put online that's not. a

00:41:43.769 --> 00:41:47.429
thesis or a paper or something that's been accredited

00:41:47.429 --> 00:41:51.590
or looked at by professionals. So to a degree,

00:41:51.730 --> 00:41:55.329
it's all entertainment. I guess I specialize

00:41:55.329 --> 00:41:59.599
in the entertainment side of the paranormal.

00:41:59.739 --> 00:42:02.880
I'm not a parapsychologist. I've never been to

00:42:02.880 --> 00:42:05.159
university for anything. I went to college, but

00:42:05.159 --> 00:42:08.659
I did music. I did performing arts. So, you know,

00:42:08.659 --> 00:42:11.929
the... The only thing from my real life that

00:42:11.929 --> 00:42:15.070
comes into play with debunking is I was a CCTV

00:42:15.070 --> 00:42:18.150
operator for years. So I know a fair bit about

00:42:18.150 --> 00:42:21.789
CCTV cameras and CCTV footage, which is how I

00:42:21.789 --> 00:42:24.289
started debunking was, that's not a ghost. That's

00:42:24.289 --> 00:42:28.550
a video bleed from an old tape. Look, you can

00:42:28.550 --> 00:42:30.349
see the scan lines there and things like that,

00:42:30.409 --> 00:42:31.949
because these are things I experienced in the

00:42:31.949 --> 00:42:35.329
real world that I can take forward. But it's

00:42:35.329 --> 00:42:38.010
all entertainment, whether it's a podcast, YouTube

00:42:38.010 --> 00:42:43.280
or... um a radio show or something you know uncanny

00:42:43.280 --> 00:42:45.519
it's entertainment there's a scientific element

00:42:45.519 --> 00:42:48.340
to it you know we've got a parapsychologist on

00:42:48.340 --> 00:42:51.579
there that's just like none of it's real but

00:42:51.710 --> 00:42:54.429
it's all entertainment um i don't see the problem

00:42:54.429 --> 00:42:57.210
with entertainment as long as it's labeled as

00:42:57.210 --> 00:43:00.460
such if you're going out and you're faking your

00:43:00.460 --> 00:43:03.699
ghost hunts have at it but let people know what

00:43:03.699 --> 00:43:06.659
you're doing because tim moore is off in russia

00:43:06.659 --> 00:43:09.750
he does fake Things where he shoots demons with

00:43:09.750 --> 00:43:12.150
an assault shotgun and stuff. He's got witches

00:43:12.150 --> 00:43:15.030
bursting out of wardrobes. It's incredible. The

00:43:15.030 --> 00:43:18.090
trickery that he does is so well made. It's like

00:43:18.090 --> 00:43:22.050
a 30 to 40 minute horror movie every week. Really

00:43:22.050 --> 00:43:24.269
well made. But his disclaimer at the beginning

00:43:24.269 --> 00:43:26.429
in Russian says, this is for entertainment. I've

00:43:26.429 --> 00:43:28.630
written this. None of it's based on any real

00:43:28.630 --> 00:43:32.170
life events. Well, I can enjoy that and I can

00:43:32.170 --> 00:43:34.210
enjoy it and try to work out how the hell he's

00:43:34.210 --> 00:43:36.090
doing it because he's really clever with it.

00:43:36.699 --> 00:43:38.199
But then when you watch somebody go somewhere

00:43:38.199 --> 00:43:42.719
like East Drive and make up stuff or worse, the

00:43:42.719 --> 00:43:45.280
ITC channels that are like, oh, I'm talking to

00:43:45.280 --> 00:43:47.760
the dead, and you're not. You're just capitalizing

00:43:47.760 --> 00:43:50.500
on the income of a dead celebrity trending on

00:43:50.500 --> 00:43:54.559
Google. You're just disgusting, you know? Wrong.

00:43:55.099 --> 00:43:58.599
But it's all entertainment. And I make my own

00:43:58.599 --> 00:44:03.619
end of it entertainment by... I record my video.

00:44:03.760 --> 00:44:05.400
I'll put a 20 -minute video out. It's probably

00:44:05.400 --> 00:44:09.969
been an hour, and I've had to chop out 75 % of

00:44:09.969 --> 00:44:13.070
the stuff I've said because I get so aggravated

00:44:13.070 --> 00:44:16.269
by some of them. Some of it, I'm guessing. But

00:44:16.269 --> 00:44:18.389
when it comes to ITC, all the guys are just sitting

00:44:18.389 --> 00:44:19.849
in their houses pretending their house is haunted,

00:44:19.989 --> 00:44:22.050
making an absolute killing. It pisses me off.

00:44:22.989 --> 00:44:30.900
It's lazy, generic bullshit. everybody's having

00:44:30.900 --> 00:44:34.800
a go at me or calling my friends boring because

00:44:34.840 --> 00:44:36.900
this guy is making it look like the paranormal

00:44:36.900 --> 00:44:38.760
can just happen in your house by sitting there

00:44:38.760 --> 00:44:41.639
watching TV. Granted, that's how most people

00:44:41.639 --> 00:44:43.719
have their experiences. They're just doing something

00:44:43.719 --> 00:44:48.460
ordinary, but not every night. I mean, how can

00:44:48.460 --> 00:44:50.579
he put out four or five videos a week and every

00:44:50.579 --> 00:44:52.780
one of them has got paranormal activity? There'd

00:44:52.780 --> 00:44:55.360
be scientists camped in his house. Absolutely.

00:44:55.780 --> 00:44:58.699
Absolutely. I do think, like you, Like you say,

00:44:58.780 --> 00:45:04.860
there is a place in this paranormal thing for

00:45:04.860 --> 00:45:07.360
everybody. You've got the entertainment stuff,

00:45:07.460 --> 00:45:09.639
like you say. You've got people like fucking

00:45:09.960 --> 00:45:17.699
Smug Puppy. That's... You've got lots of others

00:45:17.699 --> 00:45:20.300
over the years. Like, I got banned from Ghost

00:45:20.300 --> 00:45:23.510
of Britain. their facebook pages because i was

00:45:23.510 --> 00:45:25.550
calling them out and they just blocked me he

00:45:25.550 --> 00:45:29.010
loves me i couldn't get i couldn't get on there

00:45:29.010 --> 00:45:32.050
for for love no money to watch their stuff because

00:45:32.050 --> 00:45:35.269
i was calling them out but so you've got back

00:45:35.269 --> 00:45:37.449
in the day sorry to interrupt you but you know

00:45:37.449 --> 00:45:40.610
back in the day lee steer was actually really

00:45:40.610 --> 00:45:43.210
well respected in the community he was actually

00:45:43.210 --> 00:45:47.710
a debunker an on -site debunker yeah my oh he's

00:45:47.710 --> 00:45:52.960
fallen He's a nice guy. He is a nice guy. But

00:45:52.960 --> 00:45:56.059
his videos, fuck me, their clickbait is unreal.

00:45:56.300 --> 00:46:02.239
So there is a spectrum. Like you say, if people

00:46:02.239 --> 00:46:07.360
put out that it's made for entertainment, this

00:46:07.360 --> 00:46:14.219
is essentially, this is not paranormal. I know

00:46:14.219 --> 00:46:16.420
a lot of them won't say that, but they'll say...

00:46:16.849 --> 00:46:18.670
This is made for entertainment purposes only.

00:46:18.969 --> 00:46:22.219
I think that there is a place for all of that.

00:46:22.260 --> 00:46:25.500
And then you've got the fuzzle. We know the guys,

00:46:25.559 --> 00:46:32.219
Mark and Tony at PSI. And they go into it and

00:46:32.219 --> 00:46:35.219
they try and recreate stuff, debunk stuff. We've

00:46:35.219 --> 00:46:38.300
been to talks with them and they've been doing

00:46:38.300 --> 00:46:42.179
all this stuff. And they go into it fully to

00:46:42.179 --> 00:46:45.650
try and explain what's happening. And then you've

00:46:45.650 --> 00:46:51.059
got Smug Puppy. I hate saying that, but there

00:46:51.119 --> 00:46:55.440
is a place for, yeah. I don't see, a lot of people

00:46:55.440 --> 00:46:57.659
are like, Smug Puppy is the worst of the worst.

00:46:57.800 --> 00:46:59.079
And I'm like, he's not. I like watching him.

00:46:59.179 --> 00:47:02.519
I like watching him, but. He's no different to

00:47:02.519 --> 00:47:05.980
Laney and Ben and really haunted. The only difference

00:47:05.980 --> 00:47:09.940
is his editing is not as good. No, no. He's doing

00:47:09.940 --> 00:47:12.800
the same thing as them. But he's only doing the

00:47:12.800 --> 00:47:16.059
same thing. He's just easier to catch. I had

00:47:16.059 --> 00:47:18.000
a channel reach out to me the other day. Look,

00:47:18.019 --> 00:47:20.559
we can't afford all these locations. We're going

00:47:20.559 --> 00:47:22.980
to get into debunking. I've been watching. I'm

00:47:22.980 --> 00:47:24.340
not even going to say their name because you'll

00:47:24.340 --> 00:47:27.739
get shit for it. I've been watching this channel.

00:47:27.800 --> 00:47:30.880
I can't catch them. And I'm like, I've caught

00:47:30.880 --> 00:47:34.400
them once or twice. But they've always got an

00:47:34.400 --> 00:47:36.179
answer for everything. And a small channel like

00:47:36.179 --> 00:47:38.139
yourself, they'll just crush you under their

00:47:38.139 --> 00:47:40.880
boot. So don't bother. I said, look, start small

00:47:40.880 --> 00:47:43.239
and work your way up. I said, what's my puppy?

00:47:43.500 --> 00:47:45.739
If you want to learn how to fake something, what's

00:47:45.739 --> 00:47:48.360
my puppy? Because you can see the mistakes he's

00:47:48.360 --> 00:47:51.380
making, but then you refine that. You learn how

00:47:51.380 --> 00:47:55.039
to do it. I learned really from Really Haunted.

00:47:55.079 --> 00:47:57.440
I used to just replicate what he was doing for

00:47:57.440 --> 00:48:02.300
a laugh. You know, the haunted Alexa. It took

00:48:02.300 --> 00:48:04.639
me ages to work out how he was doing it. And

00:48:04.639 --> 00:48:06.719
it was just as simple as Simon says, and then

00:48:06.719 --> 00:48:10.889
overlay it. But to get the ring, ring the light

00:48:10.889 --> 00:48:13.469
up on there and all the rest. Eventually it was

00:48:13.469 --> 00:48:15.570
a dead pixel that gave him away what he was doing

00:48:15.570 --> 00:48:18.690
with that and the SLS. But it took, it took me

00:48:18.690 --> 00:48:21.010
and another debunker and we were like, that's

00:48:21.010 --> 00:48:23.510
a dead pixel and it's disappeared. And then reappeared

00:48:23.510 --> 00:48:26.710
dead pixels cannot disappear. Even if you put

00:48:26.710 --> 00:48:29.110
white over them, you can still see a dead pixel,

00:48:29.190 --> 00:48:34.079
but. And Smug Puppy is no different to them.

00:48:34.159 --> 00:48:38.079
The only difference is that he is far more rude

00:48:38.079 --> 00:48:41.820
when he deals with criticism. The way he speaks

00:48:41.820 --> 00:48:43.639
to people. At one point, he was going to come

00:48:43.639 --> 00:48:46.000
clean. He told a friend of mine, I'll speak to

00:48:46.000 --> 00:48:48.139
you and I'll speak to Beardo and we'll come out

00:48:48.139 --> 00:48:49.820
and just say it's for entertainment. And I think

00:48:49.820 --> 00:48:53.900
he would have done better for it instead of arguing

00:48:53.900 --> 00:48:56.099
and all the rest. Because now he's a laughingstock

00:48:56.099 --> 00:48:58.800
and a joke of most people. If he had said it's

00:48:58.800 --> 00:49:00.460
for entertainment, he'd have got away with it.

00:49:00.539 --> 00:49:03.639
Same as Yasko have. I went at Jasko a couple

00:49:03.639 --> 00:49:05.619
of times. Jasko emailed me, what have I got to

00:49:05.619 --> 00:49:07.500
do to get you off my back? And I went, just be

00:49:07.500 --> 00:49:11.969
honest. And then he sends me a video link. This

00:49:11.969 --> 00:49:14.210
is my new video, Is This Good Enough? Text at

00:49:14.210 --> 00:49:17.230
the beginning. This is a weekly horror episode

00:49:17.230 --> 00:49:20.090
I hope you enjoy. Not everything in this is paranormal.

00:49:20.809 --> 00:49:25.619
It's a horror show every week. And I looked at

00:49:25.619 --> 00:49:27.099
the description and he's got it in the description

00:49:27.099 --> 00:49:29.500
at the top, not right at the bottom under all

00:49:29.500 --> 00:49:32.280
his subscribers and sponsors and all of that.

00:49:32.340 --> 00:49:33.940
And I'm like, I'm never going to cover Yasco

00:49:33.940 --> 00:49:37.019
again. The second he drops it, I'll do it again.

00:49:37.320 --> 00:49:40.550
But he's, it's not good enough for every debunker

00:49:40.550 --> 00:49:43.159
and that's fine. That's up to them. It's good

00:49:43.159 --> 00:49:45.630
enough for me. If somebody says for entertainment

00:49:45.630 --> 00:49:48.409
purposes only, but it's not at the bottom of

00:49:48.409 --> 00:49:50.969
the description, it's got to be on screen. I'm

00:49:50.969 --> 00:49:52.550
good with it. I'll leave them alone. There's

00:49:52.550 --> 00:49:54.900
no point. I can still debunk them. I can still

00:49:54.900 --> 00:49:57.539
work out what they're doing, but it's a different

00:49:57.539 --> 00:50:00.300
thing. Like there's a channel called Robbie and

00:50:00.300 --> 00:50:03.199
Penny. They've got millions of subscribers and

00:50:03.199 --> 00:50:06.000
the shit they do in their house, Penny's the

00:50:06.000 --> 00:50:08.940
dog. It's incredible. Like I'm going to capture

00:50:08.940 --> 00:50:11.719
a ghost and he's throwing hula hoops down a corridor

00:50:11.719 --> 00:50:13.699
while the ghost is leaving footprints and stuff.

00:50:13.800 --> 00:50:17.400
And I'm like, how has he done that? And then

00:50:17.400 --> 00:50:19.599
I did a debunking video on it. It's all clearly,

00:50:19.619 --> 00:50:21.739
he doesn't save entertainment, but he overacts

00:50:21.739 --> 00:50:24.199
it and winks at the camera. I can forgive that.

00:50:24.989 --> 00:50:26.989
I did this video and I'm like, it's either going

00:50:26.989 --> 00:50:29.190
to be a copyright strike or he'll ignore me.

00:50:29.309 --> 00:50:30.929
And then he came in the comment section and he

00:50:30.929 --> 00:50:33.190
was like, you were so close on so many parts

00:50:33.190 --> 00:50:36.070
of it, but there was no green screen. It's all,

00:50:36.150 --> 00:50:38.590
and there's not two people, it's me on my own.

00:50:38.690 --> 00:50:40.409
I was like, right, so I know you've done it,

00:50:40.469 --> 00:50:42.570
I'm just a little bit off. And he was like, yeah,

00:50:42.590 --> 00:50:44.650
feel free to use any of my content, debunk away

00:50:44.650 --> 00:50:45.730
and I'll tell you whether you got it right or

00:50:45.730 --> 00:50:50.840
wrong. That's fun for me then. And it's better

00:50:50.840 --> 00:50:53.519
made. Tim Moore, all of the guys I see for entertainment

00:50:53.519 --> 00:50:57.460
purposes, they can go further with it. They can

00:50:57.460 --> 00:50:59.699
do so much more incredible stuff because they're

00:50:59.699 --> 00:51:01.239
not trying to convince anyone that it's real.

00:51:01.360 --> 00:51:03.780
Some people still believe it, which blows my

00:51:03.780 --> 00:51:09.550
mind. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. So are there

00:51:09.550 --> 00:51:14.590
channels that you've watched or videos you've

00:51:14.590 --> 00:51:16.989
seen? You mentioned like the top five stuff.

00:51:17.070 --> 00:51:18.489
I've watched some of those and I'm like, how

00:51:18.489 --> 00:51:21.110
the fuck are people even thinking that's a top

00:51:21.110 --> 00:51:24.039
five video? yeah and it's interesting you say

00:51:24.039 --> 00:51:28.429
about the cctv because people use like door um

00:51:28.429 --> 00:51:32.690
ring doorbell footage not knowing how like night

00:51:32.690 --> 00:51:36.260
time or night vision on one of those things works

00:51:36.260 --> 00:51:39.619
so somebody walks past clearly and it becomes

00:51:39.619 --> 00:51:42.679
like this weird shadow figure yeah they've got

00:51:42.679 --> 00:51:46.320
to look at the depth of The field of view, the

00:51:46.320 --> 00:51:48.480
depth of the view. They've got to look at the

00:51:48.480 --> 00:51:50.320
lighting. They've got to look at what settings

00:51:50.320 --> 00:51:52.320
the ring doorbell is on. Because if you've got

00:51:52.320 --> 00:51:55.960
it set down to 720p, you'll have ghosts everywhere.

00:51:56.579 --> 00:51:58.940
We've got ours on 4K and I've never had one of

00:51:58.940 --> 00:52:01.980
those anomalies. So I'm utterly convinced a lot

00:52:01.980 --> 00:52:05.119
of these people are lowering the resolution just

00:52:05.119 --> 00:52:07.960
either to save their battery or because they

00:52:07.960 --> 00:52:09.780
know they'll capture some weird stuff on there.

00:52:10.619 --> 00:52:13.519
I've got CCTV all outside my house and I've got

00:52:13.519 --> 00:52:15.539
the Ring doorbell and we have never, ever captured

00:52:15.539 --> 00:52:18.519
anything that remotely looks like a ghost. So

00:52:18.519 --> 00:52:22.519
why is everyone else doing it? Yeah, I think

00:52:22.519 --> 00:52:28.099
a lot of people don't understand how equipment

00:52:28.099 --> 00:52:32.059
works. No, not at all. What kind of equipment?

00:52:32.400 --> 00:52:34.179
So I mentioned the Ring doorbell. Obviously,

00:52:34.199 --> 00:52:35.900
that's not a piece of equipment, but that is

00:52:35.900 --> 00:52:38.340
something that seems to capture a lot of spirits

00:52:38.340 --> 00:52:46.530
for want of a better. term um what so me and

00:52:46.530 --> 00:52:48.750
ash have talked about apps over the years all

00:52:48.750 --> 00:52:51.010
that kind of thing there's a lot of people use

00:52:51.010 --> 00:52:56.710
apps um spirit talker whatnot an acrometer um

00:52:56.710 --> 00:53:02.389
i don't have those but what piece of equipment

00:53:02.389 --> 00:53:04.670
do you think people use the most that they don't

00:53:04.670 --> 00:53:08.019
understand how it works So by not understanding,

00:53:08.199 --> 00:53:10.219
like the K2, for example, don't understand how

00:53:10.219 --> 00:53:12.559
it works. So it's already lighting up. They're

00:53:12.559 --> 00:53:14.179
in this house, but they don't realise they're

00:53:14.179 --> 00:53:18.559
next to the wall where the washing machine is,

00:53:18.639 --> 00:53:20.420
for example. And every time the washing machine

00:53:20.420 --> 00:53:22.980
seems to go on, the ghosts appear. But even at

00:53:22.980 --> 00:53:25.719
that point, they have already misunderstood that

00:53:25.719 --> 00:53:27.840
piece of equipment because they've taken no baseline

00:53:27.840 --> 00:53:30.679
reading. and they don't realise that that baseline

00:53:30.679 --> 00:53:33.699
reading is no good on specifically the K2 or

00:53:33.699 --> 00:53:36.840
K2 type devices because to get a baseline, you've

00:53:36.840 --> 00:53:40.679
got to spin it 360 on all of its axis. So by

00:53:40.679 --> 00:53:42.559
the time you've moved four metres to do your

00:53:42.559 --> 00:53:45.300
baseline, it's already changed behind you. It's

00:53:45.300 --> 00:53:49.460
something I used for ages and they are just completely

00:53:49.460 --> 00:53:52.519
redundant. My wife will argue that with me till

00:53:52.519 --> 00:53:54.780
the cows come home because we've got a piano

00:53:54.780 --> 00:53:56.360
in the conservatory. One night it sounded like

00:53:56.360 --> 00:53:59.039
somebody played it herself. It played itself.

00:53:59.280 --> 00:54:02.280
And I'm like, heating and cooling. And she was

00:54:02.280 --> 00:54:03.980
like, explain that. And she holds the key two

00:54:03.980 --> 00:54:08.699
out. And she's got a red. And I'm like, all right.

00:54:08.980 --> 00:54:11.880
In line with a piano key. That could be quite

00:54:11.880 --> 00:54:13.920
interesting. But there's a plug socket there.

00:54:14.000 --> 00:54:15.480
There's not even screwed into the wall properly.

00:54:15.639 --> 00:54:18.340
And I'm rationalizing it. And she's like, well,

00:54:18.420 --> 00:54:21.179
no, you're just looking for a way to debunk it

00:54:21.179 --> 00:54:23.340
now, aren't you? You're a fun sponge then, aren't

00:54:23.340 --> 00:54:29.980
you? Yeah. Yeah. The biggest one that people,

00:54:30.199 --> 00:54:34.489
it's got to be the spirit box because people

00:54:34.489 --> 00:54:36.309
are like, oh, but he scans the radio stations

00:54:36.309 --> 00:54:39.710
backwards. No, he doesn't. You're just turning

00:54:39.710 --> 00:54:42.090
the dial. If you turn the dial all the way to

00:54:42.090 --> 00:54:44.550
one end on an old radio, we'll remember them.

00:54:44.690 --> 00:54:46.530
You turn the dial all the way to one end, you've

00:54:46.530 --> 00:54:48.809
gone past all the stations. That's my not. No,

00:54:48.889 --> 00:54:52.869
he looks a bit younger. All it's doing is going

00:54:52.869 --> 00:54:55.539
that way. So you're starting at the right -hand

00:54:55.539 --> 00:54:58.039
side of the band and working left. So nothing

00:54:58.039 --> 00:54:59.699
is coming through there backwards. You haven't

00:54:59.699 --> 00:55:02.119
got to disseminate anything. That's why when

00:55:02.119 --> 00:55:05.380
you hear music, it's the right way. I've heard

00:55:05.380 --> 00:55:07.920
people, I've seen it in videos. People are like,

00:55:07.960 --> 00:55:09.639
oh, the spirit said yes. I'm like, it's Lady

00:55:09.639 --> 00:55:13.579
fucking Gaga. Everybody knows it. Oh, and it

00:55:13.579 --> 00:55:15.719
said the name of this disaster. And I'm like,

00:55:15.760 --> 00:55:18.940
you're in that area. That person has just died.

00:55:19.230 --> 00:55:21.030
Of course it's come out of there. People were

00:55:21.030 --> 00:55:23.650
doing it with Nicola Bullion. I got a lot of

00:55:23.650 --> 00:55:25.789
shit for what I did there. Because I went at

00:55:25.789 --> 00:55:27.329
all of them. And I was like, you're absolutely

00:55:27.329 --> 00:55:29.809
fucking disgusting. Of course your spirit box

00:55:29.809 --> 00:55:32.230
has said Nicola. Because that's all that was

00:55:32.230 --> 00:55:34.769
over all of the radio stations. Not just news

00:55:34.769 --> 00:55:37.610
stations. Every news station, breaking news,

00:55:37.829 --> 00:55:41.750
Nicola Bullion case. And I went so hard at one

00:55:41.750 --> 00:55:44.760
of them specifically. I mean, that's part of

00:55:44.760 --> 00:55:46.539
the reason I had to buy as much CCTV on my house

00:55:46.539 --> 00:55:50.699
as I've got, because he really wasn't happy with

00:55:50.699 --> 00:55:53.119
me. But, you know, people were getting arrested

00:55:53.119 --> 00:55:55.519
over that. They were interfering with crime scenes

00:55:55.519 --> 00:55:58.079
because they were just trampling stuff and going

00:55:58.079 --> 00:56:00.019
in people's houses, or not in their houses, but

00:56:00.019 --> 00:56:01.239
jumping in their backyards, knocking on their

00:56:01.239 --> 00:56:02.880
back doors, like, can I speak to you about Nicola?

00:56:03.480 --> 00:56:06.320
What the fuck? You're ghost hunters. She wasn't

00:56:06.320 --> 00:56:09.079
even dead as far as we knew at that point. Yeah,

00:56:09.119 --> 00:56:12.380
that was a particularly high profile. recent

00:56:12.380 --> 00:56:16.480
case wasn't it that yeah it seemed to attract

00:56:16.480 --> 00:56:18.920
loads of people for some reason like you mentioned

00:56:18.920 --> 00:56:22.039
everybody was going down there but then you you

00:56:22.039 --> 00:56:25.599
do see i've spoken to michael jackson or videos

00:56:25.599 --> 00:56:30.260
that i've spoken to alvis and i just like but

00:56:30.579 --> 00:56:35.230
then you say that about the the um scanning the

00:56:35.230 --> 00:56:37.750
frequency we've actually had some weird experiences

00:56:37.750 --> 00:56:43.380
with those devices in Cannock Chase. Was the

00:56:43.380 --> 00:56:46.980
aerial plugged in? The aerial was plugged in.

00:56:49.420 --> 00:56:51.139
I'll have to send you the video, see what you

00:56:51.139 --> 00:56:54.639
think to it. We've got many videos that I could

00:56:54.639 --> 00:56:57.159
send to you, actually. It would be interesting

00:56:57.159 --> 00:57:00.079
to get your take on a lot of the stuff. Because

00:57:00.079 --> 00:57:03.539
we do try and debunk, me and Ash. We're out in

00:57:03.539 --> 00:57:05.579
the field, things happen, and we go, how the

00:57:05.579 --> 00:57:08.420
fuck did that just happen when it was supposed

00:57:08.420 --> 00:57:13.510
to happen? So we've got like a word bank device.

00:57:14.070 --> 00:57:21.269
Yeah. So I make it, me and my partner, Sarah

00:57:21.269 --> 00:57:25.650
from the twins. We developed, we've coded it

00:57:25.650 --> 00:57:27.869
so I know exactly how it works. Yeah. Exactly

00:57:27.869 --> 00:57:31.250
how it works. The only bit I don't know is why

00:57:31.250 --> 00:57:34.179
that particular word comes through. So I can

00:57:34.179 --> 00:57:37.139
plug it into my Mac. I can show you with the

00:57:37.139 --> 00:57:38.780
movement, with the temperature and everything.

00:57:38.880 --> 00:57:43.320
And it hits certain. Oh, so yours really has

00:57:43.320 --> 00:57:45.099
the scanners in it that the rest of them see

00:57:45.099 --> 00:57:49.440
they do. Not the scanners. Yeah, so ours works

00:57:49.440 --> 00:57:53.440
on movement, temperature, magnetic change. Yeah.

00:57:55.119 --> 00:57:59.440
And if it's a higher temperature of 0 .2 degrees

00:57:59.440 --> 00:58:02.980
change, because we felt that was a big enough

00:58:02.980 --> 00:58:07.659
jump to get a trigger, but in an area you're

00:58:07.789 --> 00:58:10.920
not going to get, you'll get fluctuations, but

00:58:10.920 --> 00:58:12.949
they tend to be a bit more gradual. i've got

00:58:12.949 --> 00:58:15.650
magnetic ones and the movement and i can plug

00:58:15.650 --> 00:58:17.909
it i plug it into the mac i've got the the serial

00:58:17.909 --> 00:58:20.989
monitor for the device and it yeah it goes has

00:58:20.989 --> 00:58:25.130
to hit say five triggers in um eight seconds

00:58:25.130 --> 00:58:28.889
for it to to fire so i can show you exactly how

00:58:28.889 --> 00:58:31.429
it works i can tell you or i can show you the

00:58:31.429 --> 00:58:34.269
code in respect i've spent hours on this coding

00:58:34.269 --> 00:58:38.690
yeah but i can't tell you why that word comes

00:58:38.690 --> 00:58:43.900
out and we've had some mad words come out of

00:58:43.900 --> 00:58:47.480
it i was i've got a video in this house where

00:58:47.480 --> 00:58:50.440
i am now i've got my dad died when i was young

00:58:50.440 --> 00:58:55.400
and i've got his plaque yeah and his i picked

00:58:55.400 --> 00:58:59.099
up the device and his name came through so his

00:58:59.099 --> 00:59:02.420
first name brian yeah which no nobody knows that's

00:59:02.420 --> 00:59:05.920
brian he was always called douglas and then the

00:59:05.920 --> 00:59:10.250
word douglas came through all right How the fuck

00:59:10.250 --> 00:59:12.269
did that work? So it's got two and a half thousand

00:59:12.269 --> 00:59:16.050
words. Yeah. It's got 500 names from the last

00:59:16.050 --> 00:59:18.650
200 years, the top 500 names. I specifically

00:59:18.650 --> 00:59:25.219
put those words on. I'll send you the video.

00:59:25.280 --> 00:59:27.400
It's interesting. It's nothing else. And I'm

00:59:27.400 --> 00:59:31.599
happy to, but we've had weird words come through.

00:59:31.739 --> 00:59:33.619
We were at Cannot Chase. We've got a book out,

00:59:33.639 --> 00:59:38.179
me and Ash, about the United States. And we had

00:59:38.179 --> 00:59:41.059
a series where we went through each. and we come

00:59:41.059 --> 00:59:45.659
up and talked about paranormal happenings in

00:59:45.659 --> 00:59:49.539
each state. And we were in Cannock Chase on a

00:59:49.539 --> 00:59:51.940
live stream on TikTok, just me and Ash in the

00:59:51.940 --> 00:59:56.000
middle of Castle Ring, Cannock, and we were talking

00:59:56.000 --> 00:59:58.119
about the book and the word book comes through

00:59:58.119 --> 01:00:01.440
on the device. It doesn't listen. I haven't programmed

01:00:01.440 --> 01:00:04.940
it to listen because I don't know how to. Fair

01:00:04.940 --> 01:00:09.340
enough. I'm fairly stupid, but I had enough nails

01:00:09.340 --> 01:00:13.420
to do that. And just weird stuff like that comes

01:00:13.420 --> 01:00:16.400
through. We were at the Masonic Lodge, the lodge,

01:00:16.619 --> 01:00:20.400
which you probably heard about, I imagine. I've

01:00:20.400 --> 01:00:23.559
heard of it, yeah. With the tapping on the table.

01:00:26.579 --> 01:00:33.320
Yeah. So I've been there, actually. I have been.

01:00:33.360 --> 01:00:34.980
We're going back tomorrow night, me and Ash.

01:00:35.139 --> 01:00:36.840
Ash is going for the first time. I was a complete

01:00:36.840 --> 01:00:39.480
sceptic, and I was happy to have a conversation

01:00:39.480 --> 01:00:42.599
with Saz and Gibbsy, which I did, and they knew

01:00:42.599 --> 01:00:45.980
I was coming up as a sceptic. What I saw that

01:00:45.980 --> 01:00:49.340
night, I have no explanation for. I cannot explain

01:00:49.340 --> 01:00:52.030
how it happened. Can you do me a fever when you

01:00:52.030 --> 01:00:54.750
go there? Yeah, yeah. Camera under that table.

01:00:55.210 --> 01:00:59.510
I've got a video under the table. I was pointing

01:00:59.510 --> 01:01:04.320
to where the noise was coming from. What I experienced

01:01:04.320 --> 01:01:06.019
that night, it was only a couple of weeks ago.

01:01:06.280 --> 01:01:09.219
We didn't live stream it. I've got video under

01:01:09.219 --> 01:01:10.920
the table because they were like, get under the

01:01:10.920 --> 01:01:12.639
table if you want. We've got no problem with

01:01:12.639 --> 01:01:15.579
that. I've scaled the table. There's a little

01:01:15.579 --> 01:01:19.880
panel there. I put my hand in the panel. I can't

01:01:19.880 --> 01:01:25.250
explain it. Ash tomorrow. We're there to... So

01:01:25.250 --> 01:01:26.849
I was still like, I didn't want to go, so I'm

01:01:26.849 --> 01:01:32.190
like, this is BS. But that's reason to go, though,

01:01:32.230 --> 01:01:36.329
isn't it? The BS. He nearly didn't go. It's after

01:01:36.329 --> 01:01:40.090
I saw how much you changed your mind, kind of,

01:01:40.090 --> 01:01:43.050
because you were quite, again, adamant, no, it

01:01:43.050 --> 01:01:45.190
can't be. That's like real paranormal, the...

01:01:45.820 --> 01:01:49.139
video on it as well and stuff but how you change

01:01:49.139 --> 01:01:53.579
so much honestly okay i trust you yeah and that's

01:01:53.579 --> 01:01:57.690
the thing like emma to investigate emma she came

01:01:57.690 --> 01:01:59.789
back and she's like oh my god it's amazing i'm

01:01:59.789 --> 01:02:01.710
like it's bullshit i watched the videos it's

01:02:01.710 --> 01:02:03.849
bullshit the sat i watched a live stream it's

01:02:03.849 --> 01:02:06.670
bullshit and i called bullshit from the start

01:02:06.670 --> 01:02:10.750
and i'm like no and they knew because i i know

01:02:10.750 --> 01:02:14.420
them that i was Coming up, I was on their live

01:02:14.420 --> 01:02:17.150
stream early in the day, and they're like, hopefully

01:02:17.150 --> 01:02:20.010
you'll understand, Greg, when you get here. We

01:02:20.010 --> 01:02:22.760
know you're sceptical. I had conversations with

01:02:22.760 --> 01:02:24.320
them about it. I said, look, it's too good to

01:02:24.320 --> 01:02:26.860
be true. I said, it's genuinely too good to be

01:02:26.860 --> 01:02:29.159
true. It's happening all the time, like you said,

01:02:29.219 --> 01:02:37.010
Bearday. But what happened... Really fucked in

01:02:37.010 --> 01:02:39.469
my head. And I can't even explain it. And I've

01:02:39.469 --> 01:02:42.550
seen the videos that Real Evidence did. He put

01:02:42.550 --> 01:02:47.190
out a video shortly after they sort of started

01:02:47.190 --> 01:02:50.949
doing stuff, saying, like, Gibson's legs under

01:02:50.949 --> 01:02:55.469
table not moving and whatnot. But I don't know.

01:02:56.329 --> 01:02:59.630
Speaking to the guy as well at the time, we had

01:02:59.630 --> 01:03:02.469
a really good off -camera conversation about...

01:03:02.730 --> 01:03:06.230
essentially the meaning of life, mortality, all

01:03:06.230 --> 01:03:07.949
that kind of stuff. We were trying to get them

01:03:07.949 --> 01:03:10.909
to pull my dad through, which is what I try and

01:03:10.909 --> 01:03:15.090
do at a lot of places. The twins, they lost their

01:03:15.090 --> 01:03:18.429
mum last year, so they were trying to get whatever

01:03:18.429 --> 01:03:21.010
this thing is in the room to see if we could

01:03:21.010 --> 01:03:27.389
get their mum through. And honestly, it's fucking

01:03:27.389 --> 01:03:31.570
nuts. We've got CCTV to put under the tables

01:03:31.570 --> 01:03:34.710
tomorrow. Yeah. We're going to be live streaming

01:03:34.710 --> 01:03:40.710
it. I've just got a little Osmo Pocket 3 that

01:03:40.710 --> 01:03:42.530
we're going to be setting up. So we'll capture

01:03:42.530 --> 01:03:47.489
it in 4K. We're going to be all over the table.

01:03:47.550 --> 01:03:50.070
We're private hiring it, so me, Ash, and the

01:03:50.070 --> 01:03:57.960
girls and AD. And it's just us. So it'll be interesting.

01:03:58.480 --> 01:04:01.380
It's fucking nuts, that place. Are they going

01:04:01.380 --> 01:04:10.860
to be there? Yeah, so it's really difficult to

01:04:10.860 --> 01:04:14.679
explain until you've been. Yeah, obviously for

01:04:14.679 --> 01:04:17.980
me, obviously the knocking and tapping phenomena,

01:04:18.320 --> 01:04:21.900
it went hundreds of years ago. And the way you

01:04:21.900 --> 01:04:25.489
can make it travel. I'm not saying that's what

01:04:25.489 --> 01:04:26.789
they're doing, because I haven't been there,

01:04:26.929 --> 01:04:29.750
and I've not seen definitive proof that it's

01:04:29.750 --> 01:04:31.309
bollocks. There's enough for me to question it,

01:04:31.349 --> 01:04:33.510
same as you. Oh, yeah, absolutely. So, obviously,

01:04:33.530 --> 01:04:36.150
cameras under the table, cameras on the table.

01:04:37.369 --> 01:04:39.269
It's a shame you haven't got, like, a Seismo

01:04:39.269 --> 01:04:43.190
device or something. It basically triggers for

01:04:43.190 --> 01:04:45.510
vibrations, but I wouldn't put it on the table.

01:04:45.630 --> 01:04:47.630
You've got that, haven't you, Ash? Yeah. I've

01:04:47.630 --> 01:04:51.150
got, like, a vibrations sensor. Don't put it

01:04:51.150 --> 01:04:53.070
on the table. because obviously there's sound

01:04:53.070 --> 01:04:54.849
coming from somewhere, you think it's coming

01:04:54.849 --> 01:04:57.110
from the table, put it on the table for a time,

01:04:57.170 --> 01:05:02.099
but then put it on their shoes. Because if they're

01:05:02.099 --> 01:05:05.119
hammer -toeing, because obviously the table legs

01:05:05.119 --> 01:05:07.079
are in contact with the floor, if they are flicking

01:05:07.079 --> 01:05:09.920
that toe to cause that snapping or their ankle

01:05:09.920 --> 01:05:12.539
or something, then you should be able... I mean,

01:05:12.559 --> 01:05:14.940
if it was me, I'd probably be under the table

01:05:14.940 --> 01:05:16.480
with a friend and be like, right, I'll hold his

01:05:16.480 --> 01:05:18.980
feet, you hold his feet, right, now knock. And

01:05:18.980 --> 01:05:20.760
then if he knocks and it still comes from the

01:05:20.760 --> 01:05:26.579
table and I can't see anything knocking... At

01:05:26.579 --> 01:05:27.940
that point, they're going to have to say, right,

01:05:28.019 --> 01:05:30.000
there's something weird that I can't explain.

01:05:30.199 --> 01:05:32.840
It doesn't, for me, make it paranormal, but it

01:05:32.840 --> 01:05:35.960
makes it fucking weird. Yeah, and we came out

01:05:35.960 --> 01:05:38.099
there saying it wasn't paranormal. We don't think

01:05:38.099 --> 01:05:41.039
it's paranormal. It's just fucking weird. That

01:05:41.039 --> 01:05:44.059
was our thing. I wasn't scared. I don't get scared,

01:05:44.340 --> 01:05:46.219
to be fair. We walked around Delamere Forest

01:05:46.219 --> 01:05:48.400
in the middle of the night, and we're not. You

01:05:48.400 --> 01:05:50.559
went to Cannock with all the doggers, so you

01:05:50.559 --> 01:05:54.730
survived that. I'll tell you what. The last time

01:05:54.730 --> 01:05:57.050
you went won it. Oh, God, the Duggars. Fucking

01:05:57.050 --> 01:06:00.989
hell. We've walked up to this car park and there's

01:06:00.989 --> 01:06:05.429
a load of vans there. And we got out and we're

01:06:05.429 --> 01:06:08.329
like, there was like this couple came from behind

01:06:08.329 --> 01:06:13.030
the van. Fucking hell. So we walked off. We were

01:06:13.030 --> 01:06:15.570
on a live stream at this point. We walked off.

01:06:15.630 --> 01:06:17.250
We thought, well, the cars are probably going

01:06:17.250 --> 01:06:19.329
to be safe because they're just going to be fucking

01:06:19.329 --> 01:06:22.530
each other and fishing and whatnot. Anyway. But

01:06:22.530 --> 01:06:26.449
the signal got really crap. So we had to go back.

01:06:27.070 --> 01:06:30.829
And we ended up in this little bit of wooded

01:06:30.829 --> 01:06:34.289
area right near the car park. And they were playing

01:06:34.289 --> 01:06:38.969
like dance music all night. It was the weirdest

01:06:38.969 --> 01:06:40.630
thing. Must have been about 20 cars coming and

01:06:40.630 --> 01:06:42.530
going. This was like middle of the night. It's

01:06:42.530 --> 01:06:45.369
like, what is... I know it's popular for it,

01:06:45.429 --> 01:06:48.269
but this is actually insane. I know. That was

01:06:48.269 --> 01:06:53.179
mad. That was mad. But I don't know where we're

01:06:53.179 --> 01:06:59.300
going now. So it's a super weird place. And we

01:06:59.300 --> 01:07:03.179
got down. So this is the weird thing. This is

01:07:03.179 --> 01:07:06.900
the weird thing. So I purposely, I put the word

01:07:06.900 --> 01:07:13.019
lodge in there, in this little device, just to

01:07:13.019 --> 01:07:18.730
see if it'd come up. Obviously, from an entertainment

01:07:18.730 --> 01:07:21.630
point of view, that's quite good, I think. Yeah.

01:07:21.730 --> 01:07:24.889
If you've got words associated with the, which

01:07:24.889 --> 01:07:27.230
I can do, I don't, because we've just got that

01:07:27.230 --> 01:07:34.210
word bank set of words. And it come up with the

01:07:34.210 --> 01:07:39.559
word Daisy. And the guy there, Ollie, the head

01:07:39.559 --> 01:07:44.960
mason, he was like to the others, look at that.

01:07:45.099 --> 01:07:47.559
And Daisy is the name of one of the spirits that

01:07:47.559 --> 01:07:51.489
is one of whatever it is. yeah we're speaking

01:07:51.489 --> 01:07:53.570
to it come up on the i just had it on the table

01:07:53.570 --> 01:07:56.730
just had it there just in just firing out words

01:07:56.730 --> 01:08:02.159
um and when it's when nothing's happening and

01:08:02.159 --> 01:08:04.679
there's no movement it goes into like an ambient

01:08:04.679 --> 01:08:07.760
mode and it will just fire out a word every i

01:08:07.760 --> 01:08:10.980
think i've programmed it for every 30 to 90 seconds

01:08:10.980 --> 01:08:14.059
just so people just don't have nothing happen

01:08:14.059 --> 01:08:16.720
on it but it still triggers in the same way it

01:08:16.720 --> 01:08:19.310
just pulls out a random word And it came up with

01:08:19.310 --> 01:08:23.819
Daisy. And then the next word was lodge. So it's

01:08:23.819 --> 01:08:28.210
just, it's just weird shit like that. Yeah. Coupled

01:08:28.210 --> 01:08:30.029
with all these knocking that I couldn't even

01:08:30.029 --> 01:08:33.949
explain. I went in there for a bullshit caller

01:08:33.949 --> 01:08:39.109
and I was happy to call them out because I had

01:08:39.109 --> 01:08:42.899
my concerns. But I flipped within 10 minutes

01:08:42.899 --> 01:08:44.920
of being there. I was like, fucking hell, this

01:08:44.920 --> 01:08:48.949
is mad. So Ash. You need to do it tomorrow. So

01:08:48.949 --> 01:08:50.989
by the time this goes out next week, we'll have

01:08:50.989 --> 01:08:52.890
already been. So we'll have to do a follow -up

01:08:52.890 --> 01:08:56.350
just to let everybody know. It's interesting.

01:08:56.590 --> 01:08:59.609
I don't know how to explain it. That's the thing.

01:08:59.770 --> 01:09:03.329
It's one of them places that I was adamant I

01:09:03.329 --> 01:09:04.829
could go in there and figure out what was going

01:09:04.829 --> 01:09:09.579
on. Couldn't. So when you do get, say you're

01:09:09.579 --> 01:09:11.619
watching a video for the first time on YouTube,

01:09:12.100 --> 01:09:13.680
what are kind of the things you're looking for?

01:09:13.760 --> 01:09:20.130
So these red flags. Do you have any certain looking

01:09:20.130 --> 01:09:22.010
for you just kind of anything and everything?

01:09:22.899 --> 01:09:26.420
I suppose I autopilot to a degree. Now it's a

01:09:26.420 --> 01:09:29.420
certain channel name. I'm just autopilot. I know

01:09:29.420 --> 01:09:32.140
what I'm looking for. And those videos, they

01:09:32.140 --> 01:09:34.539
don't excite me as much, but I've got to make

01:09:34.539 --> 01:09:38.439
them because you know, it's my living. I hate

01:09:38.439 --> 01:09:40.859
making twin paranormal videos and Simon Colby

01:09:40.859 --> 01:09:43.560
videos. It's the same shit, but I've got to make

01:09:43.560 --> 01:09:46.630
them. But then. There'll be the odd video come

01:09:46.630 --> 01:09:49.590
through and it's like, oh, can you, like today,

01:09:49.750 --> 01:09:52.010
I got a video and he was like, oh, do you think

01:09:52.010 --> 01:09:54.689
he's faked this? And I'm watching a really well

01:09:54.689 --> 01:09:57.350
-known UK paranormal investigator smack a door

01:09:57.350 --> 01:09:59.930
with his elbow and then run off going, wasn't

01:09:59.930 --> 01:10:02.590
me, wasn't me. And I'm like, really? You called

01:10:02.590 --> 01:10:04.930
us a bully a week ago, like two months ago for

01:10:04.930 --> 01:10:08.109
calling you fake. That's boring. That's easy.

01:10:08.430 --> 01:10:11.890
I know they use draws. fishing wire under a door

01:10:11.890 --> 01:10:14.050
so you don't get a glint and a drawing pin in

01:10:14.050 --> 01:10:15.550
these shoes because one of them told me about

01:10:15.550 --> 01:10:18.130
it when we were almost getting along and I'm

01:10:18.130 --> 01:10:20.010
like the second I catch you I'm outing you for

01:10:20.010 --> 01:10:24.300
it so they all stop doing it it's a double -edged

01:10:24.300 --> 01:10:26.380
sword because they stop doing the things that

01:10:26.380 --> 01:10:28.399
we catch them doing really haunted when I leave

01:10:28.399 --> 01:10:31.539
him alone he stops doing I'll debunk him and

01:10:31.539 --> 01:10:33.579
he'll stop doing that thing for ages. And once

01:10:33.579 --> 01:10:34.859
it's been a couple of months, he'll be like,

01:10:34.939 --> 01:10:38.359
oh, Beardo's fucked off. Let's introduce poltergeist

01:10:38.359 --> 01:10:40.119
activity again. And then I'll catch him again

01:10:40.119 --> 01:10:44.600
and then he'll stop. But I don't go into videos

01:10:44.600 --> 01:10:48.199
for channels that I've never heard of. I don't

01:10:48.199 --> 01:10:50.479
go into them with the express intention of catching

01:10:50.479 --> 01:10:54.399
them. If they see I've captured poltergeist activity,

01:10:54.640 --> 01:10:57.359
a shadow figure or something. I'm looking to

01:10:57.359 --> 01:10:59.939
see if that is poltergeist activity or a shadow

01:10:59.939 --> 01:11:02.800
figure or whatever the claim is. I want to look

01:11:02.800 --> 01:11:05.159
at the claim and see if there's any truth in

01:11:05.159 --> 01:11:07.579
it or if I can, a lot of the time, I'm not looking

01:11:07.579 --> 01:11:10.039
for fakery. I'm looking for logic, common sense,

01:11:10.039 --> 01:11:12.180
and hoping there's something left over that I'm

01:11:12.180 --> 01:11:15.020
like, I don't know. That's the exciting bit for

01:11:15.020 --> 01:11:18.439
me. It's just so rare for me to be like, I don't

01:11:18.439 --> 01:11:24.840
got a clue. But artifacting and things like that.

01:11:26.220 --> 01:11:30.079
editing tricks because the one thing that I have

01:11:30.079 --> 01:11:32.899
really apart from the live streaming and growing

01:11:32.899 --> 01:11:35.859
an audience and a community and all of that the

01:11:35.859 --> 01:11:37.680
thing I've enjoyed more than anything is learning

01:11:37.680 --> 01:11:41.039
to edit because I didn't know how to edit just

01:11:41.039 --> 01:11:44.619
I cut I move on I cut I move on and I do all

01:11:44.619 --> 01:11:47.199
these nobody notices it but like things like

01:11:47.199 --> 01:11:50.039
my camera sliding across the monitor from a full

01:11:50.039 --> 01:11:52.609
screen and then going I didn't do that in OBS,

01:11:52.649 --> 01:11:54.170
even though I could. It was like, I wonder how

01:11:54.170 --> 01:11:56.390
I track that and I make it look a bit cooler,

01:11:56.390 --> 01:11:59.170
put a drop shot. Nobody ever notices it. Sometimes

01:11:59.170 --> 01:12:00.789
somebody will go, oh, I like what you did there.

01:12:01.649 --> 01:12:04.409
That's cool. But it's the editing process, learning

01:12:04.409 --> 01:12:07.010
to edit, and then watching people like SmugPup

01:12:07.010 --> 01:12:09.229
be really haunted. I'm like, how have they done

01:12:09.229 --> 01:12:12.670
that? Learning how to do it and then making my

01:12:12.670 --> 01:12:14.789
own version of it, but really funny, like the

01:12:14.789 --> 01:12:17.750
annual help my house is not haunted and all of

01:12:17.750 --> 01:12:20.810
that sort of stuff. where I can flex a bit of

01:12:20.810 --> 01:12:22.750
editing stuff, but it's always tongue in cheek

01:12:22.750 --> 01:12:25.090
and a bit of a laugh. I've toyed with the idea

01:12:25.090 --> 01:12:29.130
of doing a legitimate investigation and then

01:12:29.130 --> 01:12:32.010
a rug pull just to show how easy it is because

01:12:32.010 --> 01:12:34.229
it's so much easier. I mean, you'll know this.

01:12:34.369 --> 01:12:37.010
You go out and investigate. It's so much easier

01:12:37.010 --> 01:12:39.550
to go out and fake everything. So you go for

01:12:39.550 --> 01:12:42.390
two hours, you fake everything. You've got a

01:12:42.390 --> 01:12:44.270
banger of a video that's only going to be an

01:12:44.270 --> 01:12:46.670
hour long and everything's ready. You know where

01:12:46.670 --> 01:12:47.989
your markers are. You know where your editing

01:12:47.989 --> 01:12:50.600
points are. You go out and you have nothing all

01:12:50.600 --> 01:12:52.699
night and you've still got to put out a video

01:12:52.699 --> 01:12:54.500
where you know nothing has happened and you've

01:12:54.500 --> 01:12:56.319
got to trawl through six to eight hours of footage.

01:12:56.699 --> 01:13:01.569
It's fucking soul destroying. But there's a fun

01:13:01.569 --> 01:13:03.670
element to that. It's like, how do I make the

01:13:03.670 --> 01:13:06.029
video flow better? So you put the B -rolls in,

01:13:06.069 --> 01:13:08.329
the transitions to the B -rolls. That stuff's

01:13:08.329 --> 01:13:11.550
really fun to me. But yeah, I look for editing

01:13:11.550 --> 01:13:15.170
stuff. The days of people pulling wires and stuff,

01:13:15.270 --> 01:13:17.609
they are slowly disappearing. And I think the

01:13:17.609 --> 01:13:20.569
next one is going to be AI. I've seen my first

01:13:20.569 --> 01:13:23.970
AI ghost clip. I was like, holy shit, that's

01:13:23.970 --> 01:13:27.670
good. The way the ghost cast a shadow, there

01:13:27.670 --> 01:13:30.770
was no six or seven fingers. It literally looks

01:13:30.770 --> 01:13:32.949
like an old woman peeks out of a door, casts

01:13:32.949 --> 01:13:34.770
a shadow, and then peeks back in. I was like,

01:13:34.869 --> 01:13:38.770
it's too good to be true. There is no way. But

01:13:38.770 --> 01:13:40.430
there's something that's really good at detecting

01:13:40.430 --> 01:13:46.170
AI, is AI. Because as a debunker, I can't see

01:13:46.170 --> 01:13:50.579
individual pixels. I look for... Like even though

01:13:50.579 --> 01:13:52.960
our cameras are artifacting, you can see little

01:13:52.960 --> 01:13:56.220
dark patches pulsing and like your jumpers doing

01:13:56.220 --> 01:13:58.579
it when you nod your head and stuff. That's natural

01:13:58.579 --> 01:14:00.779
artifacting on the camera because of the light

01:14:00.779 --> 01:14:06.819
or whatever. AI can scan that and can tell what

01:14:06.819 --> 01:14:09.500
artifacting is natural to the camera, natural

01:14:09.500 --> 01:14:12.399
to the light and what has been manipulated and

01:14:12.399 --> 01:14:15.579
how it's been manipulated. I downloaded a 30

01:14:15.579 --> 01:14:18.930
second clip from Smug Puppy. I knew exactly how

01:14:18.930 --> 01:14:22.930
they did it. I dropped it into AI, and AI basically

01:14:22.930 --> 01:14:25.510
said, this is how we did it, and it was shot

01:14:25.510 --> 01:14:29.130
for shot what I said it was. The only thing AI

01:14:29.130 --> 01:14:30.770
couldn't get right was how they fucked up the

01:14:30.770 --> 01:14:33.050
shadow so bad. It was like AI didn't even realise

01:14:33.050 --> 01:14:35.949
how stupid they were with it. Like, that shadow

01:14:35.949 --> 01:14:37.170
shouldn't be there. It's like, yeah, but how

01:14:37.170 --> 01:14:41.369
did they do it? It shouldn't be there. But AI

01:14:41.369 --> 01:14:45.039
is good for detecting AI so far. So there's a

01:14:45.039 --> 01:14:47.699
thing on my editing software specifically called

01:14:47.699 --> 01:14:51.680
a scene detector. So I drop something peaks from

01:14:51.680 --> 01:14:54.079
behind the door. I did it to two guys up north.

01:14:54.539 --> 01:14:57.199
They were, oh yeah, this is really real. They

01:14:57.199 --> 01:14:58.960
were stupid enough to send me their own footage,

01:14:59.119 --> 01:15:02.100
knowing it was fake. I watched it, sent it back

01:15:02.100 --> 01:15:04.960
to them. And I was like, you've poked out a 2D

01:15:04.960 --> 01:15:10.149
image of the grudge bitch. So no, we didn't.

01:15:10.170 --> 01:15:11.909
So you did. And there were eight cuts for you

01:15:11.909 --> 01:15:14.109
to do it. Are you lying? I was like, well, I'm

01:15:14.109 --> 01:15:16.729
not, because an AI scene detector has picked

01:15:16.729 --> 01:15:19.310
up on the eight cuts that I couldn't see. But

01:15:19.310 --> 01:15:22.739
it's because just before it pops out, before

01:15:22.739 --> 01:15:25.880
you turn back, they make sense after AI has told

01:15:25.880 --> 01:15:29.180
me where it is. I said, more to the point, your

01:15:29.180 --> 01:15:30.739
photo was on the mantelpiece. You weren't at

01:15:30.739 --> 01:15:32.640
somebody else's house, or they just really like

01:15:32.640 --> 01:15:38.449
you and your wife. Isn't it funny that some of

01:15:38.449 --> 01:15:40.689
these top five videos, top ten videos, whatever,

01:15:40.909 --> 01:15:49.380
the... Like the girl from The Ring or The Grudge.

01:15:49.500 --> 01:15:53.659
How often that appears as an entity in the back

01:15:53.659 --> 01:15:56.359
of a video. So what the fuck? How's that? Not

01:15:56.359 --> 01:15:59.020
only that, but how is it appearing in the UK?

01:16:00.340 --> 01:16:03.319
People going ghost hunting in UK forests and

01:16:03.319 --> 01:16:05.979
woodlands and stuff, being like hunting a skinwalker.

01:16:06.260 --> 01:16:09.869
It was like, that's Staffordshire. You've got

01:16:09.869 --> 01:16:13.810
to go to the Navajo. You're on the wrong continent,

01:16:13.949 --> 01:16:17.729
you lunatic. Oh, we're going after this cryptid

01:16:17.729 --> 01:16:19.229
or this ghost. It's like you're in the wrong

01:16:19.229 --> 01:16:23.729
region, the wrong part of the world. If you're

01:16:23.729 --> 01:16:25.989
going to bullshit, at least do a little bit of

01:16:25.989 --> 01:16:29.430
research so it's not immediately obvious to everyone

01:16:29.430 --> 01:16:35.560
with a brain cell. So you mentioned 30 East Drive

01:16:35.560 --> 01:16:42.279
as a venue or location. where you've had experience,

01:16:42.680 --> 01:16:46.699
and that care home. You went to Priest Cottage.

01:16:46.779 --> 01:16:49.720
We went to Priest Cottage a couple of weeks after

01:16:49.720 --> 01:16:53.319
it became a public thing. So we went there and

01:16:53.319 --> 01:16:56.300
private hired it, just me and Ash. And there's

01:16:56.300 --> 01:16:59.600
a weird vibe in there when we went. We went back

01:16:59.600 --> 01:17:03.500
with the twins. Yeah. And instead of live streaming

01:17:03.500 --> 01:17:05.479
straight away, because that's what we tend to

01:17:05.479 --> 01:17:09.159
do, we done a kind of seance. We had crystals

01:17:09.159 --> 01:17:12.439
out, we had candles. And we were talking and

01:17:12.439 --> 01:17:17.460
we captured a laugh on camera. We all heard it.

01:17:17.460 --> 01:17:22.180
We got it on camera. The guys, Rhiannon and FX

01:17:22.180 --> 01:17:27.739
Paranormal, got it on their cameras. And it was

01:17:27.739 --> 01:17:34.039
freaky, to say the least. And the weird things

01:17:34.039 --> 01:17:35.739
happened throughout the night, but that was like

01:17:35.739 --> 01:17:38.199
the weirdest thing. When you were at Priest Cottage,

01:17:38.279 --> 01:17:40.420
I saw your video and you were laying down on

01:17:40.420 --> 01:17:42.760
one of the morgue slab. On the slab of my back.

01:17:42.859 --> 01:17:47.529
Yeah. And then you were like, you were on one

01:17:47.529 --> 01:17:49.909
of the tables going, I could sleep here all night.

01:17:50.850 --> 01:17:57.100
How did you find Priest Cottage? I don't want

01:17:57.100 --> 01:18:00.579
to sleep the place because I think the people

01:18:00.579 --> 01:18:02.800
running it are amazing people, what they're doing

01:18:02.800 --> 01:18:05.520
for charity and all of that. It was really flat,

01:18:05.699 --> 01:18:09.859
really flat when I went. But that doesn't mean

01:18:09.859 --> 01:18:11.880
that it's not haunted. It's just my experience

01:18:11.880 --> 01:18:15.640
on that one night. Initially, I found myself

01:18:15.640 --> 01:18:18.579
a bit on edge, which I don't get. It was a bit

01:18:18.579 --> 01:18:21.520
like, oh, I don't know. There's something about

01:18:21.520 --> 01:18:23.239
it. But it wasn't the basement. It was the living

01:18:23.239 --> 01:18:25.079
room. I just didn't like the living room for

01:18:25.079 --> 01:18:28.039
a little bit of time. But then you acclimatize

01:18:28.039 --> 01:18:33.000
and stuff. But they've reached out to me. They

01:18:33.000 --> 01:18:35.100
want me to go back with Mike from Real Evidence

01:18:35.100 --> 01:18:37.859
and do a charity live stream with them. But basically,

01:18:37.939 --> 01:18:40.899
they told me I can go back whenever I want. And

01:18:40.899 --> 01:18:43.479
it's a bit far for me. It took me six hours to

01:18:43.479 --> 01:18:45.220
get there last time because of traffic and stuff.

01:18:45.539 --> 01:18:49.359
Are you in Wales? Yes, I'm south of South Wales.

01:18:49.500 --> 01:18:52.880
I'm borderline on the coast. Okay. But it was

01:18:52.880 --> 01:18:55.140
the traffic. It was snowing on our way up as

01:18:55.140 --> 01:18:57.659
well. And we were like, oh, shit. It took me

01:18:57.659 --> 01:18:59.539
an hour to get to Bristol and then from Bristol

01:18:59.539 --> 01:19:03.109
all the way up there. It was a horrendous drive

01:19:03.109 --> 01:19:05.470
up. Coming back was absolutely fine. But yeah,

01:19:05.529 --> 01:19:08.250
they're lovely people. It's one of those places

01:19:08.250 --> 01:19:10.810
where people I trust have had experiences there.

01:19:11.149 --> 01:19:13.270
So it's not going to be a one and done for me.

01:19:13.329 --> 01:19:15.569
Like, I mean, even the ancient Ramin that I can't

01:19:15.569 --> 01:19:18.170
stand. I've been there twice because I've got

01:19:18.170 --> 01:19:21.390
to try. But the flattest place I've ever been

01:19:21.390 --> 01:19:24.390
was the Ramin. The scariest place I've been is

01:19:24.390 --> 01:19:27.930
Ramin. Is it? It's the one place where I have.

01:19:28.779 --> 01:19:31.359
Literally shit myself. I used to be part of a

01:19:31.359 --> 01:19:35.560
team down in Oxfordshire. I'm in Whitney in Oxfordshire.

01:19:36.340 --> 01:19:39.239
We had a little group and obviously COVID fucked

01:19:39.239 --> 01:19:41.359
everything up for everybody. But before that,

01:19:41.460 --> 01:19:43.779
we went to the Ram Inn. We private hired it for

01:19:43.779 --> 01:19:46.119
the night. There were six of us. We got there.

01:19:46.680 --> 01:19:49.020
One person said, I've just seen a book move in

01:19:49.020 --> 01:19:50.739
the window up there. Could have been anything,

01:19:50.899 --> 01:19:53.569
to be fair. I got in there. We walked around

01:19:53.569 --> 01:19:57.319
and... Me and this guy were in the garage area,

01:19:57.560 --> 01:20:00.680
that sort of like garagey bit. And we heard something

01:20:00.680 --> 01:20:03.079
behind us, like a stone or something, like a

01:20:03.079 --> 01:20:05.770
weird tapping. We both looked at each other and

01:20:05.770 --> 01:20:07.729
was like, did you hear that? And I was like,

01:20:07.810 --> 01:20:11.130
yeah. So we went back to the group. But as we're

01:20:11.130 --> 01:20:13.989
going to the bar area, we both heard a growl.

01:20:14.949 --> 01:20:19.470
And from that moment on, I was on edge all night.

01:20:19.529 --> 01:20:22.470
I wouldn't even go to the loo by myself. I was

01:20:22.470 --> 01:20:24.130
like, somebody needs to stand outside the door.

01:20:25.850 --> 01:20:29.970
It was horrendous. But I'd been before, and it

01:20:29.970 --> 01:20:32.569
was okay. Stuff happened, but it was okay. But

01:20:32.569 --> 01:20:36.430
that night was the scariest. I've never even

01:20:36.430 --> 01:20:39.010
had to debunk anything there, because literally

01:20:39.010 --> 01:20:42.729
the building was just completely silent both

01:20:42.729 --> 01:20:45.329
times I went. And the first time I went, I went

01:20:45.329 --> 01:20:47.510
with Staffies, who, you know, James is a believer,

01:20:47.770 --> 01:20:50.710
Rhian is not. So I was like, you know, that's

01:20:50.710 --> 01:20:53.649
a better mix for me. The second time I went,

01:20:53.710 --> 01:20:56.460
you know, four debunkers. And people are like,

01:20:56.500 --> 01:20:58.020
oh, well, it's not going to happen when you're

01:20:58.020 --> 01:20:59.479
there because you're all four to bunkers. I'm

01:20:59.479 --> 01:21:01.720
like, it's not how the paranormal works, surely.

01:21:02.060 --> 01:21:04.460
Because how many people will tell you, I didn't

01:21:04.460 --> 01:21:07.520
believe in ghosts until, or I don't believe in

01:21:07.520 --> 01:21:10.960
ghosts. But those stories are the incredible

01:21:10.960 --> 01:21:14.640
ones. But that's the only, I've never, I'm not

01:21:14.640 --> 01:21:17.720
psychic. I don't get vibes and all that sort

01:21:17.720 --> 01:21:19.840
of stuff. But 30s Drivers made me have a bit

01:21:19.840 --> 01:21:21.979
of a, oh, I don't know about that. It's done

01:21:21.979 --> 01:21:26.810
it to me twice. The priest's cottage a little

01:21:26.810 --> 01:21:29.250
bit when I first walked in. Ancient Ram Inn,

01:21:29.310 --> 01:21:31.310
I was just like, there it is. Fuck all year.

01:21:31.810 --> 01:21:34.109
And apart from you, everybody else I've spoken

01:21:34.109 --> 01:21:35.850
to that's been there have all said the same thing.

01:21:36.470 --> 01:21:40.050
Nobody, hardly anyone has anything there, which,

01:21:40.170 --> 01:21:43.270
you know, it doesn't mean there's not anything

01:21:43.270 --> 01:21:47.149
there, but it seems to be one of those places

01:21:47.149 --> 01:21:49.550
that's far more missed than any of the others

01:21:49.550 --> 01:21:55.939
for most people. No, I agree. I agree. So, Is

01:21:55.939 --> 01:21:58.800
there any place or any location that you'd really

01:21:58.800 --> 01:22:02.279
like to go to? So it doesn't have to be UK, anywhere

01:22:02.279 --> 01:22:05.680
that you think that will be the location there

01:22:05.680 --> 01:22:07.399
where if anything's going to happen, it's going

01:22:07.399 --> 01:22:10.479
to happen. The big one for me would be Alcatraz.

01:22:11.539 --> 01:22:14.479
And I'm kind of cheating because there's two

01:22:14.479 --> 01:22:17.960
reasons for it. I'd like to go. I'd like to take

01:22:17.960 --> 01:22:20.600
all of the teams that I trust, enjoy and have

01:22:20.600 --> 01:22:23.539
worked with and would work with. All go, they

01:22:23.539 --> 01:22:25.439
just do this massive investigation for like a

01:22:25.439 --> 01:22:28.479
week. Architraze to ourselves, because it's massive.

01:22:29.699 --> 01:22:31.920
Well, then the last day, give everyone paintball

01:22:31.920 --> 01:22:33.720
guns and be like, let's play Call of Duty in

01:22:33.720 --> 01:22:37.479
real time. I know the map inside out from Call

01:22:37.479 --> 01:22:41.479
of Duty. But at the same point, it's like, that

01:22:41.520 --> 01:22:44.920
was one of the most horrendous prisons. And it's,

01:22:44.920 --> 01:22:46.619
you know, there's rumoured hauntings in a lot

01:22:46.619 --> 01:22:49.560
of the buildings there. It's just one of those

01:22:49.560 --> 01:22:51.520
things to have to get a helicopter out. That

01:22:51.520 --> 01:22:56.020
would be amazing. To have Alcatraz Island, it's

01:22:56.020 --> 01:22:58.640
probably the most famous prison in the world

01:22:58.640 --> 01:23:01.779
for most people. And then the little Call of

01:23:01.779 --> 01:23:04.199
Duty aspect of it. And I'm like, can you imagine

01:23:04.199 --> 01:23:06.819
a bunch of 45 -year -old men running, thinking

01:23:06.819 --> 01:23:08.800
they can play Call of Duty, and then you're like...

01:23:08.800 --> 01:23:16.189
Hip goes, hip goes. I can't. Yeah, Alcatraz would

01:23:16.189 --> 01:23:20.420
be the ultimate for me. But depending on who

01:23:20.420 --> 01:23:22.680
owns it, I'd like to do The Conjuring House.

01:23:23.319 --> 01:23:27.039
If Jason gets The Conjuring House and if the

01:23:27.039 --> 01:23:29.720
scientific element starts up where he allows

01:23:29.720 --> 01:23:31.539
the Centre for Inquiry to put something there

01:23:31.539 --> 01:23:33.920
so they can measure the ground and all of that,

01:23:34.000 --> 01:23:35.800
I would love to get involved in that. Jason's

01:23:35.800 --> 01:23:39.220
promised me I can get involved in that. That's

01:23:39.220 --> 01:23:42.579
high up on the list as well. But if that clown

01:23:42.869 --> 01:23:46.189
and the comedian take it... Matt Rife, isn't

01:23:46.189 --> 01:23:49.180
it? Is it Matt Rife? Matt Rife and Elton Casties.

01:23:49.180 --> 01:23:51.739
I'll have nothing to do with it. Yeah. There's

01:23:51.739 --> 01:23:54.159
a great documentary on Amazon Prime about the

01:23:54.159 --> 01:23:56.920
Cundren house that this small team went to to

01:23:56.920 --> 01:23:59.079
do proper investigation out. I can't remember

01:23:59.079 --> 01:24:02.460
what it is for the life of me. It's Entity 7

01:24:02.460 --> 01:24:08.000
Joe Vitale and Matt... I can't remember his name.

01:24:08.319 --> 01:24:10.779
I don't know. They used some light thing in the

01:24:10.779 --> 01:24:15.329
forest and... some device that measures lower

01:24:15.329 --> 01:24:17.829
light frequencies. I can't remember what it's

01:24:17.829 --> 01:24:20.050
called. Hell on Earth? No, that was the song.

01:24:21.069 --> 01:24:23.369
I know you're on about it. It's Joe Vitale. He's

01:24:23.369 --> 01:24:26.949
got a YouTube channel called Entity 7, but he

01:24:26.949 --> 01:24:29.430
works with a guy called Matt something. Me and

01:24:29.430 --> 01:24:32.409
him don't get along so well. But the documentary

01:24:32.409 --> 01:24:35.569
was good. Yeah, I enjoyed that. But he's got

01:24:35.569 --> 01:24:43.020
the weird helmet on. Any other ways of stab vest

01:24:43.020 --> 01:24:45.159
or a helmet investigate. And I'm like, what are

01:24:45.159 --> 01:24:48.199
you doing? Nobody's ever been stabbed by a ghost.

01:24:48.279 --> 01:24:51.819
Stop it. No, no. But he's well prepared just

01:24:51.819 --> 01:24:59.310
in case. So before we sort of wrap up the conversation,

01:24:59.609 --> 01:25:04.460
is there any piece of footage or any channel

01:25:04.460 --> 01:25:07.119
that you've been sent, say, multiple times where

01:25:07.119 --> 01:25:09.640
people have gone, this must be bullshit, that

01:25:09.640 --> 01:25:14.460
you've... watched and you're like i can't i can't

01:25:14.460 --> 01:25:17.560
see either how they've done it or it is actually

01:25:17.560 --> 01:25:22.279
what they say is is there do you get those yeah

01:25:22.279 --> 01:25:27.060
um i can't always tell exactly how things are

01:25:27.060 --> 01:25:28.699
done but you get it you get an idea and you're

01:25:28.699 --> 01:25:31.819
like oh that's clearly bullshit one of my favorite

01:25:31.819 --> 01:25:34.520
ones i was sent was people i made friends with

01:25:34.520 --> 01:25:38.220
after loads of people sent me the same clip Adelaide

01:25:38.220 --> 01:25:40.340
Haunted Horizons, they faked the doll coming

01:25:40.340 --> 01:25:42.380
down the stairs at 30 East Drive. And I was like,

01:25:42.460 --> 01:25:44.699
right, send it to me. So I looked at the clip

01:25:44.699 --> 01:25:49.909
and I was like, it looks sus. Hang on, how old

01:25:49.909 --> 01:25:53.449
is this woman? No disrespect to Alison, but she's

01:25:53.449 --> 01:25:57.579
not in her younger years. And I'm like, but this

01:25:57.579 --> 01:25:59.779
wasn't a pre -recorded video. This was a live

01:25:59.779 --> 01:26:02.180
stream it was taken from. So if she had set up

01:26:02.180 --> 01:26:04.720
wires, there is no way could she have avoided

01:26:04.720 --> 01:26:07.359
them because I've tried. I've tried all of the

01:26:07.359 --> 01:26:10.689
fake. to see how they've done it. I can't call

01:26:10.689 --> 01:26:13.380
it fake if I can't do it. I was like, there's

01:26:13.380 --> 01:26:15.779
no way she's done that. As it is, I think it's

01:26:15.779 --> 01:26:18.300
probably just the doll is top heavy and gravity's

01:26:18.300 --> 01:26:20.340
done its thing. Those stays, things come down

01:26:20.340 --> 01:26:23.130
them all the time. But back then, 30s drive to

01:26:23.130 --> 01:26:26.029
stays were fucking creepy to me. And I got excited

01:26:26.029 --> 01:26:28.310
when the pram came down when I was there. And

01:26:28.310 --> 01:26:31.399
I still, other debunkers will tell me it's vibration,

01:26:31.659 --> 01:26:33.800
it's micro movement. And I'm like, I don't know.

01:26:33.859 --> 01:26:35.560
It seemed to go up a little bit for me. Like

01:26:35.560 --> 01:26:39.199
it was slapped. It is what it is. I'm not telling

01:26:39.199 --> 01:26:41.479
people it's paranormal, but I'm certainly not

01:26:41.479 --> 01:26:44.699
going to write it off as the carpet sprung because

01:26:44.699 --> 01:26:48.500
that carpet is fucked. Yeah. But yeah, loads

01:26:48.500 --> 01:26:50.039
of people. She's faked it. She's faked it. She's

01:26:50.039 --> 01:26:51.479
faked it. I'm like, you're looking at a clip.

01:26:51.539 --> 01:26:53.079
You're not looking at the entire video, which

01:26:53.079 --> 01:26:55.479
is something people don't realize I do. I don't

01:26:55.479 --> 01:26:57.020
just look at the clip. I look at the entire video

01:26:57.020 --> 01:26:59.659
to get a feel for them. And I'm like, this is

01:26:59.659 --> 01:27:03.579
a woman in her 60s on her own in 30s drive. with

01:27:03.579 --> 01:27:06.119
a video camera in one hand for a recorded video

01:27:06.119 --> 01:27:08.180
and a phone in the other hand for a live stream,

01:27:08.319 --> 01:27:11.319
and she's pulled a string how. Oh, she's got

01:27:11.319 --> 01:27:14.260
a friend there. Cag is with her. Cag's in Australia.

01:27:15.420 --> 01:27:18.000
So I look at her and I look at her and I'm like,

01:27:18.060 --> 01:27:20.800
I can't tell you it's a ghost, but I can tell

01:27:20.800 --> 01:27:23.439
you with certainty she did not fake it. There

01:27:23.439 --> 01:27:26.939
is no evidence at all for me to suggest that

01:27:26.939 --> 01:27:29.760
she has faked that in any way. And then when

01:27:29.760 --> 01:27:32.460
I've spoken to them loads and then I met up with

01:27:32.460 --> 01:27:35.029
them, worked with them, And I'm like, she is

01:27:35.029 --> 01:27:37.329
the clumsiest woman I have ever met in my life.

01:27:37.489 --> 01:27:39.170
She just falls over everything. And I was like,

01:27:39.210 --> 01:27:42.090
there's no way, absolutely no way did she rig

01:27:42.090 --> 01:27:44.270
up wires and avoid them all on a live stream

01:27:44.270 --> 01:27:47.010
without breaking her own neck. She's far too

01:27:47.010 --> 01:27:50.550
clumsy. And the other one is, again, 30s Drive,

01:27:50.689 --> 01:27:54.909
was Griff with the chest push. I've seen people

01:27:54.909 --> 01:27:57.170
say it's just the quilt moving and artifacting,

01:27:57.210 --> 01:28:01.310
which I don't believe it is. To me, the bed almost

01:28:01.310 --> 01:28:06.960
bows a little under him. It freaked me out. Obviously,

01:28:07.159 --> 01:28:09.699
they went months before I went. I think it was

01:28:09.699 --> 01:28:13.789
my third time. But the video came out the week

01:28:13.789 --> 01:28:16.930
before I went, and I was in that house, and I

01:28:16.930 --> 01:28:19.229
was calling Fred everything you can. I'm like,

01:28:19.329 --> 01:28:21.869
I want to get a violent reaction, so let's proper

01:28:21.869 --> 01:28:24.609
go for it. I had to cut most of my video. I went

01:28:24.609 --> 01:28:28.319
that hard at it, calling him everything. Everything

01:28:28.319 --> 01:28:29.840
you can think of that would really anger a man.

01:28:30.380 --> 01:28:33.899
I went that far with it. I sat on the sofa about

01:28:33.899 --> 01:28:35.659
three o 'clock in the morning. The couple I was

01:28:35.659 --> 01:28:37.020
there with, they were like, oh, we only live

01:28:37.020 --> 01:28:39.119
like eight miles away, so we're off. And I went,

01:28:39.159 --> 01:28:42.500
all right, cool. And I went, what? I've just

01:28:42.500 --> 01:28:44.600
been shit -talking Fred for nine hours. What

01:28:44.600 --> 01:28:47.000
do you mean you're going? And it wasn't quite

01:28:47.000 --> 01:28:49.279
that. That's more of a comedic take on it. But

01:28:49.279 --> 01:28:51.119
they left and they were like, just post the keys

01:28:51.119 --> 01:28:52.619
to Carol's letterbox. I was like, all right.

01:28:52.960 --> 01:28:55.460
I sat there for an hour. I heard a little bang

01:28:55.460 --> 01:28:58.399
upstairs, which was probably Carol or Carol farting

01:28:58.399 --> 01:29:02.670
or something. And I went, I can't stay. And I

01:29:02.670 --> 01:29:04.810
walked out of there. I posted the keys to the

01:29:04.810 --> 01:29:07.329
letterbox. I got in my car. It's a four and a

01:29:07.329 --> 01:29:09.630
half, five hour drive for me with, you know,

01:29:09.630 --> 01:29:13.489
no traffic. And I'm driving home. I got the Birmingham

01:29:13.489 --> 01:29:16.489
sort of area. I was like, oh, Steve will be awake

01:29:16.489 --> 01:29:18.329
now. And I rang him. He said, something happened.

01:29:18.569 --> 01:29:21.149
And I went, no. He said, is that your car egg

01:29:21.149 --> 01:29:23.170
in the air? He said, it just set off of you.

01:29:23.229 --> 01:29:25.130
I was like, no, I'm halfway home. He said, what

01:29:25.130 --> 01:29:27.529
happened? I said, I've been calling out all night.

01:29:27.850 --> 01:29:30.130
I'm sat on this sofa. And then I just had this

01:29:30.130 --> 01:29:32.560
image of the chest pushed for a griff. And it

01:29:32.560 --> 01:29:34.300
freaked me the fuck out. And I was like, I can't

01:29:34.300 --> 01:29:36.819
stay. And I was kicking myself all the way home.

01:29:36.880 --> 01:29:39.199
Like, why did you leave when you're scared? If

01:29:39.199 --> 01:29:41.520
you're scared, something may happen. And I left

01:29:41.520 --> 01:29:44.720
like a right coward. I was like, I shouldn't,

01:29:44.720 --> 01:29:47.520
I regret it. But at the same point, it's the

01:29:47.520 --> 01:29:50.939
power of that video. It freaked me the fuck,

01:29:51.000 --> 01:29:53.359
it scared Griff. That's the bit other people

01:29:53.359 --> 01:29:55.739
don't realize is we all talk behind the scenes.

01:29:56.500 --> 01:29:59.039
And for Griff to be that worried about it, not

01:29:59.039 --> 01:30:02.079
that it was a ghost. that he's a large man and

01:30:02.079 --> 01:30:05.220
it may have been a heart issue. So he went to

01:30:05.220 --> 01:30:08.260
the doctor. Griff is a very... Every bit as bolsterous

01:30:08.260 --> 01:30:09.880
as you see on camera, that's how he is in real

01:30:09.880 --> 01:30:12.199
life, goes to the doctor, throws his phone on

01:30:12.199 --> 01:30:15.060
the table and goes, what the fuck is that? Because

01:30:15.060 --> 01:30:18.000
he was concerned that it was something to do

01:30:18.000 --> 01:30:20.399
with his heart angina or his lungs because he's

01:30:20.399 --> 01:30:23.439
got sleep apnea. He was genuinely concerned from

01:30:23.439 --> 01:30:26.409
a health concern. The doctor went, I don't know.

01:30:27.869 --> 01:30:31.210
And that... That has stuck with me that potentially

01:30:31.210 --> 01:30:33.609
something could have put this weight on him in

01:30:33.609 --> 01:30:35.949
a bedroom in there. And that's the bedroom I

01:30:35.949 --> 01:30:38.659
always sleep in because it's the scary one. But

01:30:38.659 --> 01:30:41.239
yeah, I couldn't debunk it. Other people have

01:30:41.239 --> 01:30:43.520
said it could be this. Nobody's definitively

01:30:43.520 --> 01:30:46.159
said that's exactly what it is. Lots of ideas.

01:30:46.399 --> 01:30:48.840
None of them are wrong. Well, maybe they're all

01:30:48.840 --> 01:30:50.859
wrong, but that's the whole point of it. But

01:30:50.859 --> 01:30:52.760
yeah, that freaked me out. And that's the one

01:30:52.760 --> 01:30:56.119
where I'm like, didn't like that whatsoever.

01:30:58.000 --> 01:31:01.300
Weird. Weird. I think we need to go back to 30s

01:31:01.300 --> 01:31:04.939
drive again. Yeah, definitely would. Definitely

01:31:04.939 --> 01:31:09.079
would. So thank you so much for tonight. So for

01:31:09.079 --> 01:31:13.180
people who don't know your channel, there can't

01:31:13.180 --> 01:31:14.739
be that many that don't know you, especially

01:31:14.739 --> 01:31:17.319
in the paranormal community in the UK. Most people

01:31:17.319 --> 01:31:23.779
know who you are. But we have 60 % of our listeners

01:31:23.779 --> 01:31:26.699
are in America. So there might be some that don't.

01:31:26.949 --> 01:31:29.130
Don't know where to find you. So where can people

01:31:29.130 --> 01:31:34.270
find you? What platforms? We're in the show notes

01:31:34.270 --> 01:31:37.949
as well. Yeah. Right. So it's Beardo Gascade

01:31:37.949 --> 01:31:40.689
on YouTube. I've also got a second channel, but

01:31:40.689 --> 01:31:42.250
it's nothing to do with the paranormal. It's

01:31:42.250 --> 01:31:45.710
just all my geeky stuff and fun stuff. And it's

01:31:45.710 --> 01:31:49.970
a more lighthearted version of me. That's called

01:31:49.970 --> 01:31:53.109
Beardo's Man Cave. I'm on Facebook as Beardo

01:31:53.109 --> 01:31:56.100
Gascade, where I let rip. a bit more than my

01:31:56.100 --> 01:32:00.510
YouTube, just with funny memes and stuff. I've

01:32:00.510 --> 01:32:02.850
just gone to Rumble as well with Beardo Gets

01:32:02.850 --> 01:32:06.840
the Truth. But I'm just re -uploading stuff there

01:32:06.840 --> 01:32:08.840
because I'm worried about the future of YouTube

01:32:08.840 --> 01:32:11.520
with the way it's going with the monetizing and

01:32:11.520 --> 01:32:14.680
everyone's views decreasing by 50 % in four months.

01:32:15.239 --> 01:32:18.060
It seems silly to put all my eggs in one basket.

01:32:18.180 --> 01:32:20.260
But yeah, Beardo Gets Scared pretty much everywhere.

01:32:20.739 --> 01:32:24.930
But Rumble, Beardo Gets the Truth. One thing

01:32:24.930 --> 01:32:27.329
I would like to put out there, though, is that

01:32:27.329 --> 01:32:30.989
whilst I am a debunker, I am a paranormal investigator

01:32:30.989 --> 01:32:35.470
at heart. I only want to remove the false from

01:32:35.470 --> 01:32:38.729
a claim. I want the truth. And if I've got to

01:32:38.729 --> 01:32:41.489
tear people apart to get to it, I'll do it. But

01:32:41.489 --> 01:32:43.770
I believe in the paranormal. I want the paranormal

01:32:43.770 --> 01:32:47.590
to be real. And I want to prove it for me. So,

01:32:47.649 --> 01:32:51.430
yeah, it's not about that's fake. Everything's

01:32:51.430 --> 01:32:56.699
fake. That's not what I do. Yeah. Okay. And beforehand,

01:32:57.039 --> 01:32:59.680
me and Ash were saying that I think we're going

01:32:59.680 --> 01:33:01.560
to have a good conversation with you because

01:33:01.560 --> 01:33:05.000
you're a debunker, but you're also a paranormal

01:33:05.000 --> 01:33:09.180
investigator. And like you said, you're here

01:33:09.180 --> 01:33:12.220
to remove the bullshit and call out the fake

01:33:12.220 --> 01:33:14.180
and try and prove the power. And that's what

01:33:14.180 --> 01:33:15.920
we're all in it for. We're trying to find that

01:33:15.920 --> 01:33:19.560
holy grail for ourselves. We've spoken to a lot

01:33:19.560 --> 01:33:21.880
of people who have had paranormal experiences.

01:33:22.710 --> 01:33:25.409
and sometimes it you mentioned it as well it's

01:33:25.409 --> 01:33:28.750
not people don't really get it until it happens

01:33:28.750 --> 01:33:32.880
to them and then they go oh people have a paranormal

01:33:32.880 --> 01:33:35.600
experience and it can be completely personal

01:33:35.600 --> 01:33:38.600
to them like you see in that spirit when you're

01:33:38.600 --> 01:33:41.020
younger that that's the kind of stuff that will

01:33:41.020 --> 01:33:44.600
stay with you yeah it's life -changing it's life

01:33:44.600 --> 01:33:48.520
-changing for people my mum was a staunch skeptic

01:33:48.520 --> 01:33:51.880
all of her life Two years ago, she came into

01:33:51.880 --> 01:33:53.579
the living room. I will never, ever tell her

01:33:53.579 --> 01:33:58.220
story because it's hers. She told me what happened

01:33:58.220 --> 01:34:00.619
and said, I need you to debunk that. I went,

01:34:00.699 --> 01:34:03.859
I can't. Why? I said, number one, I wasn't there.

01:34:03.920 --> 01:34:05.779
Number two, I'm a video analyst, if anything.

01:34:06.520 --> 01:34:09.409
Number three, I don't want to take that from

01:34:09.409 --> 01:34:11.729
you, even if I could, because you needed that.

01:34:13.630 --> 01:34:15.390
Believe it. By all means, believe it. And my

01:34:15.390 --> 01:34:17.569
mum believes she saw a ghost, a full -bodied

01:34:17.569 --> 01:34:19.869
apparition that meant something to her. And I'm

01:34:19.869 --> 01:34:21.489
like, I'll never take that. I don't take that

01:34:21.489 --> 01:34:23.670
from anyone. I don't debunk people's personal

01:34:23.670 --> 01:34:26.109
experiences. If somebody comes to me and says,

01:34:26.210 --> 01:34:28.829
I'm scared, I'll get them the help they need.

01:34:29.789 --> 01:34:33.189
There was a guy in America, a well -known, a

01:34:33.189 --> 01:34:35.449
very famous paranormal channel, went to his house,

01:34:35.630 --> 01:34:37.550
scared the shit out of him, convinced him he

01:34:37.550 --> 01:34:40.489
had a demon. Obviously, I can't go there and

01:34:40.489 --> 01:34:42.590
help him. I'm not mentally health -chained. I'll

01:34:42.590 --> 01:34:46.510
never do a private residence. I'll never do it

01:34:46.510 --> 01:34:48.529
because I've got to understand the impact of

01:34:48.529 --> 01:34:50.409
saying it is or isn't haunted on somebody's mental

01:34:50.409 --> 01:34:53.270
health. So I put him in touch with somebody that

01:34:53.270 --> 01:34:55.569
does understand that, that went to his home,

01:34:55.649 --> 01:34:57.869
convinced him that it, in fact, wasn't haunted.

01:34:57.949 --> 01:35:00.090
It was all to do with infrasound because of railway

01:35:00.090 --> 01:35:03.029
lines. And we potentially saved that guy's life

01:35:03.029 --> 01:35:05.789
because he was at his wit's end. It cost him

01:35:05.789 --> 01:35:07.510
his marriage. His marriage is back on track.

01:35:08.380 --> 01:35:10.319
And the other one was a guy in the UK. I'm getting

01:35:10.319 --> 01:35:12.699
all these experiences and I'm like, have you

01:35:12.699 --> 01:35:15.380
ever had your boiler checked? No. That's the

01:35:15.380 --> 01:35:17.640
first thing I tell everyone. Get a carbon monoxide

01:35:17.640 --> 01:35:20.079
detector. The reason his pets wouldn't go in

01:35:20.079 --> 01:35:22.079
this bedroom and the reason his daughter was

01:35:22.079 --> 01:35:23.680
having sleepless nights was carbon monoxide.

01:35:24.159 --> 01:35:26.260
And he's like, you've saved my daughter's life.

01:35:26.640 --> 01:35:29.359
No, I just gave you advice. You saved your daughter's

01:35:29.359 --> 01:35:33.930
life by asking and not just assuming it's a ghost.

01:35:36.010 --> 01:35:40.050
Yeah. That's really cool that you did that. and

01:35:40.050 --> 01:35:43.369
give him that advice, to be fair. And it's a

01:35:43.369 --> 01:35:49.760
shame that people will want to believe so much

01:35:49.760 --> 01:35:52.560
that they thought it was a spirit rather than

01:35:52.560 --> 01:35:55.680
anything else. And I think that's one good thing

01:35:55.680 --> 01:35:57.960
about being a debunker or being a paranormal

01:35:57.960 --> 01:36:02.239
investigator, that something will happen, and

01:36:02.239 --> 01:36:05.579
I know we're like, oh, how did that happen? Can

01:36:05.579 --> 01:36:08.539
we replicate that again? Because if we can replicate

01:36:08.539 --> 01:36:12.010
it, chances are, especially in the moment, chances

01:36:12.010 --> 01:36:15.350
are it's normal. If we can't replicate it, then

01:36:15.350 --> 01:36:19.250
first of all, okay, something has happened. Whatever

01:36:19.250 --> 01:36:22.270
it is, it's happened. And then we'll have a look

01:36:22.270 --> 01:36:26.390
and we'll, like at the lodge, I was under the

01:36:26.390 --> 01:36:29.710
table. Yeah. Touching the table, I've got videos

01:36:29.710 --> 01:36:32.250
of when the sound's going off, I've got videos

01:36:32.250 --> 01:36:34.510
of me pointing on the table as to where it is.

01:36:35.909 --> 01:36:38.130
We're changing seats, all that kind of stuff

01:36:38.130 --> 01:36:44.779
to try and not necessarily disprove, but to prove

01:36:44.779 --> 01:36:46.920
that what was happening was paranormal as well.

01:36:47.060 --> 01:36:52.399
By disproving the normal, you can reveal the

01:36:52.399 --> 01:36:56.859
abnormal. So you look at... Absolutely everything.

01:36:57.159 --> 01:36:59.699
You've got to take into account every variable,

01:36:59.859 --> 01:37:02.199
every variation. And I don't believe you can

01:37:02.199 --> 01:37:04.239
do it in one visit, which is why I'll never say

01:37:04.239 --> 01:37:07.500
somewhere is or isn't haunted. I believe there's

01:37:07.500 --> 01:37:09.699
a few places I've been to where there is something

01:37:09.699 --> 01:37:11.840
going on. I just don't know what that something

01:37:11.840 --> 01:37:14.619
is. I'd love to know. I mean, I'd love to get

01:37:14.619 --> 01:37:17.460
under that table and have seismos on everyone's

01:37:17.460 --> 01:37:19.920
shoes and stuff. I reckon they'd probably let

01:37:19.920 --> 01:37:22.939
me in all because they seem. quite open to it.

01:37:23.039 --> 01:37:25.859
Oh, 100 % they were. Then that's the other bit.

01:37:26.119 --> 01:37:28.439
They're absolutely happy for you to do whatever.

01:37:28.659 --> 01:37:30.500
We've got a microphone. We've got some small

01:37:30.500 --> 01:37:33.199
microphones that we've just ordered. So we're

01:37:33.199 --> 01:37:35.819
going to put them on the table to see if we can

01:37:35.819 --> 01:37:39.619
sort of triangulate sound or we've got cameras

01:37:39.619 --> 01:37:41.439
going to be put. How many have you got? How many

01:37:41.439 --> 01:37:45.020
microphones have you got? Well, between us, we'll

01:37:45.020 --> 01:37:49.890
have maybe four or five. I've got a few as well.

01:37:50.250 --> 01:37:53.750
Yeah. So then we can start to, if we position

01:37:53.750 --> 01:37:56.189
them around the room, we can obviously try and

01:37:56.189 --> 01:37:58.770
understand from the loudness of each one and

01:37:58.770 --> 01:38:01.149
where it happens. We're pointing at the shoes.

01:38:02.350 --> 01:38:07.590
Yeah. Not just catch them out, but to discount

01:38:07.590 --> 01:38:09.729
it. If you get a knock and it's not coming from

01:38:09.729 --> 01:38:12.289
the shoes, we can write that off, move on to

01:38:12.289 --> 01:38:16.090
the next. And they're open for that. That's the

01:38:16.090 --> 01:38:19.229
mad thing, is that they'll come and do whatever

01:38:19.229 --> 01:38:21.090
you want to do. Yeah, I've got time for people

01:38:21.090 --> 01:38:25.069
like that. Which is great. And I know, Ash, I

01:38:25.069 --> 01:38:28.949
was complete sceptic. But once you've been there,

01:38:29.050 --> 01:38:32.130
Ash, we'll see. We'll see next time. This time

01:38:32.130 --> 01:38:34.949
tomorrow. This time tomorrow. I'll send you an

01:38:34.949 --> 01:38:38.260
email, Beardo, saying he's converted. Yeah, I

01:38:38.260 --> 01:38:41.119
want to hear either he's converted or, oh, bollocks.

01:38:41.819 --> 01:38:45.840
Yeah, yeah, we've called it. But, yeah, no, really

01:38:45.840 --> 01:38:47.560
appreciate your time tonight. It's been great

01:38:47.560 --> 01:38:52.140
to get to know the person other than the mass

01:38:52.140 --> 01:38:55.279
debunker that we see on the YouTube channel.

01:38:55.420 --> 01:38:57.319
So I do appreciate you taking the time to come

01:38:57.319 --> 01:39:00.760
and speak to us. It's been good. I enjoyed it.

01:39:01.020 --> 01:39:02.500
Yeah, well, you'll have to come back on again.

01:39:03.399 --> 01:39:05.659
We like to have people on for like a second.

01:39:06.300 --> 01:39:08.279
interview because then we've we've done all that

01:39:08.279 --> 01:39:11.500
the intro bit we can get into more more conversational

01:39:11.500 --> 01:39:17.689
about the paranormal and like the the extra dimensional

01:39:17.689 --> 01:39:21.229
stuff we're massively into that as proponents

01:39:21.229 --> 01:39:27.569
of of stuff time slips time um you'll see tomorrow

01:39:27.569 --> 01:39:31.390
ash when we talk about time it's it's wild there

01:39:31.390 --> 01:39:35.729
we got down to believe that we were speaking

01:39:35.729 --> 01:39:40.050
to somebody from 1936 Don't ask me how we got

01:39:40.050 --> 01:39:41.569
there, but you'll see tomorrow how we got there.

01:39:43.109 --> 01:39:45.670
That they were actually communicating with us

01:39:45.670 --> 01:39:47.670
and thought we were the dead ones and they were

01:39:47.670 --> 01:39:50.409
alive. And they were using a Ouija board to communicate

01:39:50.409 --> 01:39:53.850
with us. See, that's one of those mad ones, isn't

01:39:53.850 --> 01:39:56.350
it? It's fucked up. I've had those conversations

01:39:56.350 --> 01:39:58.369
with people. Do you think that we are the ghosts?

01:39:58.890 --> 01:40:01.390
Yeah, and they were coming out saying they were

01:40:01.390 --> 01:40:05.859
alive and that we were dead. So we changed our

01:40:05.859 --> 01:40:09.670
questions. as though we were the ghosts asking

01:40:09.670 --> 01:40:13.149
questions. It was fucked. Honestly, that's blew

01:40:13.149 --> 01:40:15.630
my fucking mind. I'm not going to lie. I wonder

01:40:15.630 --> 01:40:18.090
how many times, if it's something to do with

01:40:18.090 --> 01:40:20.390
time, where you go, can you copy me? And you

01:40:20.390 --> 01:40:23.329
go, and then somebody's in the living room like,

01:40:23.829 --> 01:40:28.270
it's done it again. Fuck, we need to get a paranormal

01:40:28.270 --> 01:40:31.300
team in. But, yeah, no, really do appreciate

01:40:31.300 --> 01:40:34.619
your time. It's been great. I wish you all continued

01:40:34.619 --> 01:40:37.000
success on your channel because I've watched

01:40:37.000 --> 01:40:39.779
it grow over the years, and it's great to see

01:40:39.779 --> 01:40:44.000
the paranormal get in recognition because it

01:40:44.000 --> 01:40:46.380
is still fairly niche. People don't like to talk

01:40:46.380 --> 01:40:48.460
about it. Although it's more mainstream now,

01:40:48.699 --> 01:40:52.840
people still a bit. It's one of them topics that

01:40:52.840 --> 01:40:55.600
scares a lot of people. So, yeah, good work,

01:40:55.680 --> 01:40:58.560
and hopefully we'll speak soon. Yeah, will do.

01:40:58.800 --> 01:41:01.439
Thanks for having me on. Cheers, Ash.