Can Consciousness Summon UFOs? | Patrick Scott Armstrong | Psionics
The UFO conversation has changed dramatically in recent years. Whistleblowers, military encounters and government disclosures have pushed the phenomenon into the mainstream—but what if the biggest mystery isn't in the sky... but in the human mind?We noticed some small quality issues after the recording and…
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The UFO conversation has changed dramatically in recent years. Whistleblowers, military encounters and government disclosures have pushed the phenomenon into the mainstream—but what if the biggest mystery isn’t in the sky… but in the human mind?
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In this fascinating episode of Pursuit of the Paranormal, Greg is joined by Psionics: The Minds That Summon UFOs’ Patrick Scott Armstrong, presenter of the documentary and host of the hugely popular Vetted podcast.
Together, they discuss the making of the film, which follows people who believe consciousness itself may play a role in UFO encounters. Over the course of a year, the filmmakers documented contact experiments across the United States and the UK, approaching the subject with open minds and no predetermined conclusions.
We explore:
- Could consciousness be connected to the UFO phenomenon?
- What really happened during the filming of Psionics?
- The controversy surrounding CE-5 and consciousness-based contact.
- How Patrick’s own views evolved throughout the project.
- The overlap between UFOs, high strangeness and the wider paranormal.
Whether you’re a sceptic, a believer, or simply fascinated by the unknown, this is a conversation that asks some of the biggest questions surrounding the UFO mystery today.
👽 Is the phenomenon purely physical… or could the mind itself be part of the equation?
Let us know your thoughts in the comments.
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Hey y 'all, it's just Greg tonight on Pursuit
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of the Paranormal podcast where I have just finished
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an absolutely amazing conversation with Patrick
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Scott Armstrong. He's one of the creative team
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behind Psionics, the mind that summons UFOs.
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He's also host of the Vetted podcast which you
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can catch on YouTube where they have over a hundred
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thousand subscribers. We talk about Where he
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started in his paranormal and UFO and UAP journey
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what got him in to the c5 heist and summoning
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UFOs Which has now been called psionics by a
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lot of people And we also talked about the journey
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that he went on when he came forward with the
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idea of making this documentary So strap in if
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episode. But if it's a good one, thank you so
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much and we should appreciate everybody's support.
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So for now, sit back and have a listen. Hey Patrick,
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how are you doing? Great, Greg. Thank you so
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much for having me on. No, welcome. Welcome.
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Um, I've been wanting to get you on since we,
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we exchanged first emails. So thank you for,
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for taking the time. And I know we've had to
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move it around a little bit as is the, uh, the
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world nowadays. So I do appreciate that. Thank
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you. So we're going to talk a little bit about
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psionics, but before we get onto the documentary.
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It'd be good to get a little bit of history about
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you, because I know you do a podcast, you've
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got a YouTube channel, a very successful YouTube
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channel. So let's go back a little bit and just
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sort of get your sort of origin story into how
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you got to today, really. Yeah, it's called Vetted.
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And I started it three years ago, essentially,
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this summer is about three years. Yeah. And Yeah,
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I mean, it's kind of been a crazy ride for sure.
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I I've always been interested in the topic sort
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of tangentially, just kind of not at the main
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part of, you know, my life or the main focus
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of my life. But just, you know, see a good movie,
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see a documentary, you know, always interested.
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But I had a podcast before that it called The
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Lone Star Play, and on it, I interviewed James
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Fox for his film. moment of contact, which was
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about the 1996 Vargenia incident. And I was kind
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of blown away by that documentary. I was like,
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really good. This is this is it felt grounded
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and it felt like it felt like the dark night
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of UFO documentaries. You know, it just felt
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like, oh, this grounded, you know, they take
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something fantastical and sort of grounded it.
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And I felt very just interested in that. And
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so. when I was ready to start a new project because
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that other podcast just wasn't working. I mean,
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you get it. Just things if they're not rolling,
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you know, you kind of got to move on to something
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else. So I just said, you know, well, I really
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like UFOs right now. That seems to be something
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people are talking about. I've always been interested
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in it, but never known too much about it. So
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let's dive in and see what happens. And it's
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been a whirlwind journey ever since. So. With
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regards to the UFO topic, you mentioned the Varginha
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incident, which is fascinating. And that moment
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of contact film is brilliant. I really enjoyed
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that. And whilst I knew a little bit about what
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happened, I think James Fox was really good at
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telling the story. Is there any other films,
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not necessarily like a documentary style, but
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actually films that have peaked your interest?
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Because there's There's loads that I've enjoyed
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over the years that really got me into the subject.
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But it'd be interesting to hear what, what films
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or what, even what cases that have piqued your
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interest over the years. I mean, you know, I
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don't, you know, I was born in 1979 and I definitely
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grew up with like ET and, you know, some similar
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explorers or that might be a deep cut for people.
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I remember that. That was brilliant. Yeah. I
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was born in 77. OK, right on. Yeah. Flight of
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the Navigator. You know, I was just like, wow,
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this is these are cool. But then Fire in the
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Sky came out and I thought that was still one
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of my favorite moves. I mean, it's just it still
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holds up to this day. I watched it very recently
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and I was still blown away by how they told that
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story. Again, they took something fantastical
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and grounded it. And that's really hard to do.
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And that story, that film in particular, yeah,
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it really stuck with me. I've always been fascinated
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by that. And then once the X -Files came out,
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I was all into that. For sure like a lot of people
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for sure the x -files. I know it's TV show but
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and then other movies have come out You know
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arrival. I really like arrival for how it Filters
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the topic again in a grounded way about you know
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communication with ET what what that would look
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like and Oh God, now I'm trying to think really
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hard. What else? I mean, those are a few. I'm
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sure those are choices a lot of people would
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make. I will say I was disappointed by Disclosure
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Day. I know that was a big one people were excited
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for. I particularly just did not like the movie
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at all. I enjoyed what the topic's about, but
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I thought the movie was horrible. And I'm a huge
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Spielberg man. I think he's the greatest American
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film director ever. maybe behind, well, that's
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another discussion, another podcast. But yeah,
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I think it's also ripe now for some new films
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to come out as well to sort of inspire the next
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generation. Yeah, I agree. And all those films
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that you've covered off, I wholeheartedly agree.
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Fire in the Sky was incredible. Like The Navigator.
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as well there's a lot of people that will not
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have been and I think now if if not more than
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ever that seems to be almost could be taken as
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a real a real thing now like the the type of
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I'd say the skin on the the ufo was like melted
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mounted or metal liquid metal I think it's probably
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quite realistic in terms of what people see I
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really enjoyed that film myself It is a kid's
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film. Moving on from that, how could you get
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into this project for Psyonix? Well, I mean,
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so I've heard about Psyonix last year, I want
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to say January 2025 when Sky Watcher came out.
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company called Sky Watcher with Jake Barber,
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and I heard the term psionics for the first time.
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I might have heard it before, I can't really
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remember, but that's when it really stuck with
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me. But the idea behind it I'd heard before of
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people being able to summon UFOs with, you know,
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your mind. And I'd actually been very adamant
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about never trying something like that because
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I just thought, well, I don't, I really think
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it's kind of bullshit, but I thought, well. If
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it's not, what am I, why would I open my mind
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up to some entity? I have no idea who it is,
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you know, to fry my brain, you know, whatever.
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I, you know, just didn't, just didn't whatever.
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And, but then I hooked up with this production
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company out of London called Alamo pictures.
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And they had a meeting with me just like to talk
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to me about UFOs in general, because they were
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interested in maybe making a UFO documentary.
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And I just happened to bring up psionics as something
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interesting, something new that was kind of people
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were talking about. And the person on the call
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who ended up being the director on psionics,
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our movie, Glenn Barden, based there in London
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said, oh, that, you know, Patrick, that sounds
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really interesting. Hey, what do you think about,
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you know, we make a documentary about you looking
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into psionics? How do you think about it? Well,
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then I had to think back. Well, shit, I've always
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said I won't try this. So I really had to think
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hard actually about it. So let me get back to
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you. And I thought, you know what? I'm gonna,
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I'm gonna weather this. I'm gonna, enough armchair
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quarterbacking. Let's get out in the field. Let's,
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let's go visit with a bunch of people who claim
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to have this ability and turns out other abilities.
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And let's see what it's all about. Let's stay
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open -minded. Let's get out there and. And just
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be a mirror. I just wanted to be a mirror. Reflect
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back what I saw. No agenda. No filter. And that's
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kind of how it started. It was a pretty quick
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elevator pitch. Patrick looks into psionics.
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Follow Patrick on his journey into psionics.
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It was a very easy sort of simple thing. We had
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a rough sketch of what the film was going to
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be. as you're filming the journey took on a life
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of its own and hopefully people agree we got
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this wonderful, you know, film afterwards. So
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you mentioned going into it with no agenda. Was
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there any moments during filming that you genuinely
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questioned your own assumptions? Because you
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said, right, just before they get the webs of
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bullshit. Did anything happen that made you go,
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this is real? I didn't cross the finish line
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like that, like you're saying. I didn't say,
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oh shit, this is real. I did have a few, oh shit,
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this is interesting. Maybe there is more to this
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than I thought. But I never crossed the finish
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line. And I did experience some things that I
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couldn't explain, but it's just that I couldn't
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explain it. So if I say, I couldn't explain it.
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And then I explain it. I just don't see how that
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works, right? People are like, I saw an unidentified
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flying object. It was alien. But wait a second.
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You just said it was unidentified. Like now you're
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explaining the thing you just said was unexplained.
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So I'm OK living in the land of I don't know.
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I pitch a flag there. I got a house. My mail
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gets delivered. Welcome to I don't know land.
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I'm OK with that till I find out. So but I definitely
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I definitely you know, it broadened my perspective
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of things. Like, I did go in thinking this is
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bullshit and I didn't leave thinking it's bullshit.
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I left thinking, you know what, maybe there is
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something to this, you know, I need to do more
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work, essentially. Yeah, I met so many wonderful
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people, you know, filming this, Tavares. So many
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wonderful people. So, you've got Salonix, but
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you've also got CE5. Now, I'm not entirely sure
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what the difference is. We've been out and we
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filmed a documentary about CE5. We took a paranormal
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investigator with us because he wanted to experience
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CE5. So we did some CE5 meditation and all this
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kind of stuff. How is that different to the way
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these guys do it with psionics? It's not. It's
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about the same. It's the same thing. In fact,
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in the film we'll say... People will say c5.
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It's I don't you know, we kind of find those
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terms Now somebody could get technical. It's
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a no no, you know semantic, you know No, it's
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this and that even if it has a different definition.
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That's not how people use it You know people
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use it as ce5 or heist. I've heard it called
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as well right like it's it's you know, it's it's
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it's the same thing now in the documentary we
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do have a a segment in the film where we go through
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the history of the term psionics, where it comes
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from, leading up basically from a science fiction
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author from the 1950s leading up to today, right?
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So we kind of take you through the journey of
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where psionics has gone and then blam, where
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it ends up in today's UFO culture. Have you experienced
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any sort of paranormal investigations? This is
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just a side note, and you'll become obvious why
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and why. Have you had any paranormal experiences
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in your life? You know, it's interesting because
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I guess when people say paranormal, they are
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inferring sort of ghost or something, but it
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may not mean that, right? I'm with you. That's
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why I ask. You know, so yes, I've definitely
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experienced again. I've experienced things I
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couldn't Explain before bedded, you know, I think
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everyone I know in my life has some sort of ghost
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story or so something in something moved I heard
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something, you know, whatever the thing may be
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even evil my father who is like is square as
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anybody RIP my dad Um, he, you know, he used
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to tell me this story. He grew up on a farm in
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Missouri and, um, their house was allegedly built
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over, you know, Indian land. And, uh, he used
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to tell me when they were kids, they would be
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down in the basement and they, well, nobody else
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was home. They could hear footsteps walking up
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top. And my, again, my dad is so, doesn't think
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anything about this sort of stuff. Um, and he
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just said, I don't know what it was. I'm just
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telling you what. we would just hear footsteps
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and nobody was home. So does that mean it was
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all Native Americans walking? I mean, I don't
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know. Right. But again, point is, yeah, I've
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I've I've definitely heard some things or seen
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some that, you know, and have known lots of people
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to tell me things that they've seen, which is
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quite extraordinary. Yeah. And with the guys
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that would do even doing the Psyonix when they
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had any kind of power, always different. just
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kind of this C5 stuff, this UFO stuff. Oh, no,
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no, no, no. Everyone I film with had a multitude
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of, you know, like a paranormal tool belt. They
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just had all kinds of things going on. They had
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other abilities. They could do this, they do
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this, they do that, you know. And we explore
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some of that in the film. But yeah, they've had
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all kinds of experiences. paranormal, supernatural,
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whatever, all kinds of different things. Yeah,
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a lot. I would say everybody. Yeah, the reason
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I say that is we over the years are doing the
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podcast. We've interviewed loads of people and
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there's always seems to be the people have UFO
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experience with you experiences or whatever experiences
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started off having our normal experiences when
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they were younger and it seems to have sort of
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escalated. But me and Ash, we do a talk where
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we discuss the parallels of paranormal investigations
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and uniform investigations whereby you you do
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the CE5 and you're calling out and you meditate
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you're asking them to show themselves and what
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not and it's the same with the paranormal it's
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we go into a darkened room me and my partner
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we would go into a room go is there anyone there
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can you let us know you're here and do just sort
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of we even set up like the saiyans or we'll put
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on crystals and and try to invoke some kind of
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spirit and I just wondered if you had been through
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that kind of journey yourself and you mentioned
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about the paranormal stuff in your family house
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and these other people the psionics people having
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other experiences so it's interesting that whilst
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they're seen as two separate things in the paranormal
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world paranormal people don't really go for the
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UFOs. UFOs don't really go from the paranormal.
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I think they're very well aligned and a lot of
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experiences have UFO and paranormal experiences
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sometimes at the same time. Now I wondered if
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that had come across with any of these psionics
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people that whilst they were talking and trying
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to summon UFOs, whether other phenomena was happening
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at the same time. I mean, yes. Yeah. Well, the
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thing is that I learned is that, one, every single
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person that I hung out with and asked them to
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demonstrate their ability had a different protocol
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or different methods of even getting it going.
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Two, they also each had an individual explanation
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for what they were seeing or what was happening.
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Right, so nobody said the same thing about one
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guy, you know one father and son I met with in
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the film out of Miami I went filmed in their
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backyard with them. They think it's God They
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think some sort of you know, whatever angels
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be something but it's it's biblical It's it's
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you know, they're they're Christian faith other
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people said it, you know, this one guy Carl Crusher
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out of Utah He said He thinks it's a manifestation
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of yourself, is what's coming up. Other people
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I spoke to thought it was extraterrestrial, right?
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Other people I spoke to said, don't say that
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word. It could be interdimensional. They were
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like, I don't know what it is, but something's
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happening. So there was all these different explanations.
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I mean, if I'm being honest, to me, spirits ghost.
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you know, aliens, UFO, like, it's all the same
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thing in the sense that they're just all unexplained
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things. So it's like food. Then underneath food,
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there's Korean food, Chinese food, American food.
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I just think it's all, you know, the phenomena,
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unexplained stuff that humanity's been dealing
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with for a long time, and it takes on different
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forms. And it could help explain the afterlife
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or life outside of earth, or life outside our
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time, or life outside our dimension, or life
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outside the parameters of what we think is earth,
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like crypto -terrestrials, right? So some beings
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that have been here hidden from us. But I think
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it's all related. What do you think UFOs are,
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or UAP, or whatever you want to call them? What
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do you think? I've got my own opinions. I'm not
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interested in you. I have no idea. They're unidentified,
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you know? I have no idea. I will say, you know,
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I cover this topic a lot, and it's a little discon...
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Like, I'm not interested in the unidentified
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or unexplained. I'm really not interested in
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that. What I'm interested in is the explained
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and identified. The stuff people have said, this
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is alien. We got alien craft, we got alien bodies.
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That's what I wanna see. Why am I looking at
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videos that people are going, we don't know what
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it is. But if one of the explanations of the
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video you're looking at could be it's a bird
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or a balloon, yes, it could also be alien, but
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if one of the possibilities is a balloon or a
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bird, that doesn't interest me. So. As fascinating
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as it is to see things that are unexplained or
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even hear a story of people, I love hearing people's
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experiences, to be honest. Part of my favorite
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thing in the topic is just real people telling
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their real stories. I really love that. But at
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the same time, again, what do I do with it going
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past that? So as great as unexplained things
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is, like, that's the whole point. It's unexplained.
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It's unidentified. Like, I have no idea. what
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it is, what I hope it could be is something that
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changes my view of my, you know, the view I have
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of what the grounded reality is. So aliens or
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extraterrestrial, that sounds awesome. Yes, I
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do believe we're not alone in the universe just
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by probability, but it would be pretty cool to
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have that for certain and to cross that finish
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line for certain. And, you know, the whole world
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is aware of it and people are studying it and
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this, that. Yeah. I mean, I just what a cool
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world to live in. Do you think the general public
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could handle disclosure in terms of Trump Anzal
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says we know what it is. If aliens had been here
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for thousands of years, they're actually the
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apex predator on Earth, as essentially they would
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be. I don't know whether there'd be a predator
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there. I mean, if they were. would probably know
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by now. Do you think the general public would
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be up for hearing that? Or do you think it would,
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like everybody suggests? There'd be global meltdown,
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there'd be chaos everywhere. I'm pretty sure
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people could handle it, just they'd come out
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and said UFOs are real, just years ago, and everybody's
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gone, yeah, fair enough. We've got more important
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things going on in the world right now than aliens.
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It's just... Please think we could hand in the
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drink. Happy. Yeah, I mean, it's it's very nuanced.
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So I would say ideally, you know, it depends
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what disclosure looks like. It depends how disruptive
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it is in your daily life. If it's just an announcement
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on the news and you're looking outside, nothing's
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really changed. You know, you're like, OK, well,
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I got to keep going. But that's cool. But if
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it's like, if part of the announcement of the
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speech from Trump is, we've not alone on this
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planet, you know, we've got all these people,
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they're abducting people left and right. Watch
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out for yourselves when you go outside and, you
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know, you see spaceships shooting laser beams
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at you. That's a different story. That's again,
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it's how disruptive is it for my daily life?
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But the second thing I would say, and I think
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COVID's I hate to say, you know, I'm not bringing
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up conspiracy. That's not why I bring up COVID.
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But how the world responded to COVID, a pretty
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good indication of if there was something disrupted
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and we had to deal with it as a planet, it would
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not go well. We couldn't even handle toilet paper.
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I remember where I live in Austin. So I don't
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know. I worry about humanity. But at the same
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time, I have faith in humanity because at the
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end of the day, we did get through it. So to
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be fair, we did get through it where there's
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some rough patches, yes. But I don't, with all
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that said, I don't think it really matters because
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no entity on earth should be allowed to keep
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a reality -breaking truth from the rest of humanity.
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So it doesn't matter how the world reacts to
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it. We deserve to know. If we perish, that's
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just how it goes. If we survive and implement,
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then that's how it goes. Freedom is dirty. It's
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going to be a messy thing. But that's OK. At
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the end of the day, that's better than people
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trying to control for you what would be better,
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this or that. That's just a slippery slope. And
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where does that go? It doesn't matter if humanity
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could handle it or not. It really just doesn't
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matter. We deserve to know. And if we can't handle
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it, we'll find out. And if we can't handle it,
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great. I'm with you on the sense that I think
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we'd be fine. I think we would. Because I don't
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think it's not adversarial tech, so they can't
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blame, so the Western governments can't blame
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China or Russia, because if it was their tech,
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they would have used it. They would have shut
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down the nukes, and they rather than just switching
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them off, or they would be taking out our infrastructure
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because the state of the world at the moment,
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I don't think... those loose cannons and these
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bad agents that are out there at the moment.
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I don't think it's China or Russia or any of
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those, Korean or anyone like that. I do think
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it's advanced tech, probably stuff we know about,
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stuff we don't know about. But I think the world
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can handle it, like you said. Even COVID, we
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got through it after about... two or three months,
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no toilet paper, no pasta, no rice in the shop.
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You certainly know which products people don't
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like because they were still on the shelf. We
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all did come together. Once we got over the gas
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masks walking around the supermarket. It was
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a wild time. It became the norm and everybody
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was cool with it. I say cool, I'm not, we weren't
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cool with it, but it became part of daily life
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and it was what it was. I think the fact that
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If they come out and say that aliens are real,
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you would touch on the main point for me is that
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at what point then do they say that they are
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taking people as well? They are abducting people.
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You won't even know it half the time. You'll
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just end up in your bed. You'll be taken in your
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sleep. You might wake up. We've told you sleep
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paralysis for years. It's experiments. We've
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had to do deals with them. They don't deploy
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us. whatever it might be it could be as wild
00:28:34.069 --> 00:28:37.569
as that and actually you can take one percent
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of the population if you just leave everybody
00:28:40.230 --> 00:28:45.519
else fine um so i think it it opens a map it
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can so i think disclosure will never fully happen
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because there's a long stretch from saying those
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things in the sky are aliens they're taking people
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and then paranormal there are places like skinwalker
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roger's uncle have all this phenomena happening
00:29:05.799 --> 00:29:11.029
at the same time UFOs or ghost activity and then
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to the government Allah and it's it's just a
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wild wild concept disclosure that whilst i think
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it will happen i think it'll be the nuts and
00:29:21.140 --> 00:29:23.099
bolts stuff everything else they'll just blame
00:29:23.420 --> 00:29:28.910
on drunk or making weed or or drugs or whatever
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i think it's then there's going to be levels
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of disclosure and i think we're only going to
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get The minimum they need to tell us is what
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they'll give away with. Sorry, I went off on
00:29:42.410 --> 00:29:44.670
there. No, please, I'm listening. That's all
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good. So many researchers talking about UFOs
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eventually lead it to everything being called
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high strangeness. When making a film, did it
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take you to anywhere that you weren't expecting
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in terms of content, experiences, experiences?
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Did you go down any routes that you were not?
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I'm not expecting that at all. Yeah, that's actually
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a great question. Yes, yes, yes. You know, I
00:30:16.599 --> 00:30:23.619
ended up trying remote viewing, specifically
00:30:23.619 --> 00:30:29.950
spoon bending, some other, what I had, what was
00:30:29.950 --> 00:30:33.250
described to me as a Jedi training day by this
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woman named Zenka Caro out of Sedona, Arizona.
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Shout out to Zenka. great woman, she was like,
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Patrick, before we do some sky watching, as they
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call it, right, before we go out and try psionics,
00:30:47.240 --> 00:30:50.099
I need to get a sense of what your abilities
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are. So I spent a whole day with her before we
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went out, you know, at night to do the psionics.
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And during that, she put me through all kinds
00:31:03.789 --> 00:31:07.119
of different... things to sort of test my abilities
00:31:07.119 --> 00:31:09.240
and skills. And that was actually a lot of fun
00:31:09.240 --> 00:31:14.339
and interesting. And the next thing I would say
00:31:14.339 --> 00:31:17.759
is, you know, I went out to try to, you know,
00:31:18.430 --> 00:31:22.059
experience psionics with people. But and I saw
00:31:22.059 --> 00:31:23.759
a couple of things in the sky that I couldn't
00:31:23.759 --> 00:31:26.299
explain in one particular that I talk about in
00:31:26.299 --> 00:31:28.740
the film and everything. But one thing that did
00:31:28.740 --> 00:31:33.019
surprise me. I wasn't expecting is I was on the
00:31:33.019 --> 00:31:36.980
Anastasi Trail. It's in Utah in the Mojave Desert,
00:31:37.440 --> 00:31:42.990
just on the edge of the Mojave Desert. And Carl
00:31:42.990 --> 00:31:45.950
Crusher from Utah. Shout out to Carl. He took
00:31:45.950 --> 00:31:49.470
me and Gino. Gino was from The Y -Files. It's
00:31:49.470 --> 00:31:53.509
a show on YouTube. He was with me for a good
00:31:53.509 --> 00:31:55.769
chunk of the film, and he's also an associate
00:31:55.769 --> 00:31:59.019
producer on the film. So Gina and I were out
00:31:59.019 --> 00:32:03.799
there with Carl and we came across something
00:32:03.799 --> 00:32:09.059
that Carl, you know, described as what he deemed
00:32:09.059 --> 00:32:12.200
the shaman seat. And there was essentially this
00:32:12.200 --> 00:32:17.180
rock little area that you could sit on. And I
00:32:17.180 --> 00:32:18.880
guess so many people had sat on it, kind of had
00:32:18.880 --> 00:32:21.740
the indention of like a chair that you could
00:32:21.740 --> 00:32:24.960
sit on. And it was on this cliff face like overlooking
00:32:24.960 --> 00:32:28.460
this whole mesa. And it was beautiful. and he
00:32:28.460 --> 00:32:30.819
said, you know, people sit here and sort of meditate
00:32:30.819 --> 00:32:33.980
and, you know, see what happens, right? And he
00:32:33.980 --> 00:32:35.599
said, why don't you try psionics right here,
00:32:35.960 --> 00:32:37.980
right? We'll leave you, we'll set up the camera,
00:32:38.279 --> 00:32:41.180
we'll, Gino and I'll leave, Carl said that, and
00:32:41.180 --> 00:32:45.019
just see what happens. So I did that, and I,
00:32:45.019 --> 00:32:46.700
you know, opened my eye, kind of look around,
00:32:46.859 --> 00:32:49.799
I didn't see anything in the sky, like that I'd
00:32:49.799 --> 00:32:52.160
summoned anything, but what struck me as odd
00:32:52.160 --> 00:32:55.470
is, I did feel something in my body that was
00:32:55.470 --> 00:32:58.369
quite unusual that I never really felt before.
00:32:58.450 --> 00:33:01.130
And I describe it in the film and I just wasn't
00:33:01.130 --> 00:33:03.109
expecting that. I mean, that's exactly the question
00:33:03.109 --> 00:33:05.910
you're asking, right? Like I just, I went in
00:33:05.910 --> 00:33:07.970
to try to summon UFOs. The next thing you know,
00:33:08.069 --> 00:33:09.890
I'm feeling something here. I'm just like, whoa,
00:33:09.930 --> 00:33:15.259
this is, this is really strange. So, but again,
00:33:15.279 --> 00:33:18.140
I don't know. I don't know what was going on,
00:33:18.140 --> 00:33:22.309
but it was different. And it was something I
00:33:22.309 --> 00:33:27.880
wasn't expecting. And, you know, it stuck with
00:33:27.880 --> 00:33:30.519
me in the sense that I'll always remember that,
00:33:30.519 --> 00:33:34.829
you know, that experience for sure. That's really
00:33:34.829 --> 00:33:36.910
cool. That's really cool. I like the fact that
00:33:36.910 --> 00:33:43.640
you, where you talk about the unexplained side
00:33:43.640 --> 00:33:47.200
of it. We go out and we do panel investigations.
00:33:47.420 --> 00:33:50.660
We go out into haunted woods or woods in the
00:33:50.660 --> 00:33:56.319
UK where they've had. UFOs, quick -tiered sightings
00:33:56.319 --> 00:34:02.160
and we get weird stuff. One part of anything
00:34:02.160 --> 00:34:05.660
where we claim it's anything or like that was
00:34:05.660 --> 00:34:09.360
weird, that was unexplained, I can't explain
00:34:09.360 --> 00:34:15.099
what it was and we believe it at that and I think
00:34:15.099 --> 00:34:18.480
that's quite healthy because as soon as you start
00:34:18.480 --> 00:34:21.199
to go well actually it could be it, it could
00:34:21.199 --> 00:34:24.630
be this. You could literally be, send yourself
00:34:24.630 --> 00:34:28.789
crazy. Um, trying to understand what it could
00:34:28.789 --> 00:34:31.650
be when you're better off not knowing to a certain
00:34:31.650 --> 00:34:34.610
extent and accepting that there's just stuff
00:34:34.610 --> 00:34:38.469
out there that we don't know. Nobody knows this
00:34:38.469 --> 00:34:44.789
whole thing. Science doesn't really know there's
00:34:44.789 --> 00:34:48.900
no scientific sort of way of doing all this stuff.
00:34:49.360 --> 00:34:52.000
We try and control stuff. Like with the CE5,
00:34:52.099 --> 00:34:57.110
you're doing a set process to try and summon
00:34:57.110 --> 00:34:59.329
whatever it may be. And it could be anything,
00:34:59.469 --> 00:35:02.030
but we know, like you said, it literally could
00:35:02.030 --> 00:35:07.010
be aliens, but it could be a God. They mentioned
00:35:07.010 --> 00:35:09.889
that some of the people boy was God. We've spoken
00:35:09.889 --> 00:35:13.250
to people, spoken to a demonologist who believed
00:35:13.250 --> 00:35:17.650
that fallen angels were the gray aliens and that
00:35:17.550 --> 00:35:21.989
everything's just all combined. Yeah, I've heard
00:35:21.989 --> 00:35:28.260
that too. Yeah, in the UK, we have a very unique
00:35:29.510 --> 00:35:33.550
landscape, where we've got beaches, we've got
00:35:33.550 --> 00:35:36.969
mountains, all within about half an hour. It's
00:35:36.969 --> 00:35:41.519
raining. But we have a fascinating amount of
00:35:41.519 --> 00:35:49.219
UFO reports. And it's just fascinating that people
00:35:49.219 --> 00:35:54.369
see stuff. When you saw the unexplained things,
00:35:54.369 --> 00:35:57.170
how did that make you feel? Did it change you
00:35:57.170 --> 00:36:01.210
in any way? Did you think there may be something
00:36:01.210 --> 00:36:06.989
out there? Yeah, definitely. I definitely did.
00:36:08.010 --> 00:36:13.670
What I can cross the finish line on saying is
00:36:14.690 --> 00:36:18.150
there's weird shit that happens. And it's like,
00:36:18.170 --> 00:36:21.949
what is that? I don't know. Could it be something
00:36:21.949 --> 00:36:26.079
very prosaic? totally explainable by science
00:36:26.079 --> 00:36:31.730
and whatever. Yes, but I don't know if that's
00:36:31.730 --> 00:36:34.510
the answer. So I'm not gonna try to put that
00:36:34.510 --> 00:36:37.050
as the answer. Again, like you said, I just leave
00:36:37.050 --> 00:36:40.150
it as there's some weird shit that's happened
00:36:40.150 --> 00:36:45.789
and it's not just me saying that. This is going
00:36:45.789 --> 00:36:50.769
back millennia and stories through oldest time.
00:36:50.949 --> 00:36:54.230
of all kinds of interesting things happening
00:36:54.230 --> 00:36:58.210
to people across so many cultures and classes
00:36:58.210 --> 00:37:02.449
of people and religions and, you know, languages
00:37:02.449 --> 00:37:05.469
and, right, just all this, it's like, is everybody
00:37:05.469 --> 00:37:10.150
just lying and making shit up? No. No. Do people
00:37:10.150 --> 00:37:13.750
do that? Yes. I've met a lot of people. My saying,
00:37:13.949 --> 00:37:16.510
unbedded, my slogan is, I want to believe, not
00:37:16.510 --> 00:37:22.320
be deceived. I can't stand. when people want
00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:27.380
to outright deceive you on something unexplainable.
00:37:27.480 --> 00:37:30.280
That really pisses me off because I think there
00:37:30.280 --> 00:37:34.030
is something unexplained going on. Could be,
00:37:34.150 --> 00:37:36.769
it's probably a multitude of answers, which is
00:37:36.769 --> 00:37:39.409
why the kind of work you do is pretty cool, kind
00:37:39.409 --> 00:37:44.110
of important too, you know. And I wanna know
00:37:44.110 --> 00:37:47.769
that, I wanna know that for real. And having
00:37:47.769 --> 00:37:51.510
people throw more hay on the haystack so that
00:37:51.510 --> 00:37:55.389
I can't find the needle is like, dude, I mean,
00:37:55.409 --> 00:37:57.449
it'd be like just scooping through the haystack.
00:37:57.570 --> 00:37:58.769
You're looking for the needle and there's just
00:37:58.769 --> 00:38:00.530
a couple of dudes on each side just throw more
00:38:00.530 --> 00:38:04.539
hay in and you're like, just let me in here.
00:38:05.820 --> 00:38:09.599
But yeah, that definitely is things that just
00:38:09.599 --> 00:38:13.380
can't be explained. And again, I'm as skeptical
00:38:13.380 --> 00:38:16.199
as anybody. I get accused of that all the time.
00:38:16.219 --> 00:38:19.269
I am, I'm very skeptical. I need a lot. I need
00:38:19.269 --> 00:38:22.670
a huge burden of proof to get past something
00:38:22.670 --> 00:38:25.809
that breaks my reality. It can't just be a cool
00:38:25.809 --> 00:38:30.550
story. I heard a guy on TV say something. You
00:38:30.550 --> 00:38:34.269
want me to change my whole view of reality on
00:38:34.269 --> 00:38:36.530
that? No, no, no. I need more. That way, when
00:38:36.530 --> 00:38:39.750
I do cross the finish line, it's gonna be a celebration
00:38:39.750 --> 00:38:44.190
for me. But I know people, just normal people
00:38:44.190 --> 00:38:49.849
in my life who... again, aren't really into anything
00:38:49.849 --> 00:38:52.670
paranormal or fantastic or supernatural, who
00:38:52.670 --> 00:38:54.849
have had crazy experiences. I just think it's
00:38:54.849 --> 00:38:59.349
something very common that like the emotion of
00:38:59.349 --> 00:39:02.969
love or laughter is sort of a universal language
00:39:02.969 --> 00:39:06.429
across the globe. I also think unexplained events
00:39:06.429 --> 00:39:09.269
is this universal language across the globe.
00:39:09.550 --> 00:39:12.030
It doesn't matter how rich you are, how poor
00:39:12.030 --> 00:39:15.230
you are, what you have, what you believe in,
00:39:15.230 --> 00:39:18.889
what you don't believe in. Shit happens. What
00:39:18.889 --> 00:39:22.349
is that shit? I want to know so it's I'm fascinated
00:39:22.349 --> 00:39:28.179
by it It's wild out there I know a lot of people
00:39:28.179 --> 00:39:30.360
and you you touched on it when you said about
00:39:30.360 --> 00:39:34.250
the family Yeah, there's a lot of people when
00:39:34.250 --> 00:39:37.210
I speak to about what I do and we get ghost in
00:39:37.210 --> 00:39:42.090
the weekend. We're in two circles Locally those
00:39:42.090 --> 00:39:45.980
two pops up. We're in there find live streaming
00:39:45.980 --> 00:39:49.000
from this cop circle trying to show people what
00:39:49.000 --> 00:39:52.460
we do and weird shit we can't see and then there's
00:39:52.460 --> 00:39:55.139
other people just sit on their on their couch
00:39:55.139 --> 00:39:59.219
in their sort of lounge area of the house just
00:39:59.219 --> 00:40:01.960
watching the tv just doing their in their lane
00:40:01.960 --> 00:40:05.570
and that's cool when you say to somebody i'm
00:40:05.570 --> 00:40:08.889
into the paranormal i into ufos they'll go i
00:40:08.889 --> 00:40:11.250
don't believe that nonsense don't believe that
00:40:11.250 --> 00:40:15.800
but then When you go okay fair enough they gave
00:40:15.800 --> 00:40:20.539
I did have this weird experience once or My now
00:40:20.539 --> 00:40:24.460
saw a ghost or my uncle said he saw a weird shadow
00:40:24.460 --> 00:40:29.150
figure Everybody has got a story Even though
00:40:29.150 --> 00:40:31.349
they don't believe in it. I've got a Jai where
00:40:31.349 --> 00:40:33.809
I work and he said I absolutely don't believe
00:40:33.809 --> 00:40:38.530
in it Craig He said come and show me some conclusive
00:40:38.530 --> 00:40:40.670
evidence. I said well I can't give you conclusive
00:40:40.670 --> 00:40:45.250
evidence because no But I can show you stuff
00:40:45.250 --> 00:40:47.949
that's happened. I said, I've got stuff moving
00:40:47.949 --> 00:40:51.750
in front of me. I can't explain. I've got weird
00:40:51.750 --> 00:40:54.690
noises, voices, all sorts of stuff happening.
00:40:55.949 --> 00:40:58.670
He goes, but I did have this one experience that
00:40:58.670 --> 00:41:02.090
I can't explain. You just said you don't believe
00:41:02.090 --> 00:41:04.610
in it. He goes, I don't. I don't believe in ghosts.
00:41:04.969 --> 00:41:07.030
I don't believe in all that. I did have this
00:41:07.030 --> 00:41:09.090
weird experience. I can't explain where this
00:41:09.090 --> 00:41:12.590
weird shadow moved. I was like, do you realize
00:41:12.590 --> 00:41:16.300
how contradictory you sound but you don't believe
00:41:16.300 --> 00:41:18.320
in it but you've seen something you can't explain
00:41:18.710 --> 00:41:24.809
so I do find that this the population that's
00:41:24.809 --> 00:41:27.309
got fascination in all things weird a lot of
00:41:27.309 --> 00:41:31.619
people are not open their minds to it we've been
00:41:31.619 --> 00:41:34.440
we've spoken to hundreds and hundreds of people
00:41:34.789 --> 00:41:38.510
and like you said people do try and bullshit
00:41:38.510 --> 00:41:42.230
we've had people bullshit us We've been that
00:41:42.230 --> 00:41:44.769
close to putting a podcast episode out. We need
00:41:44.769 --> 00:41:47.849
to sit on this for a bit longer. We need to delve
00:41:47.849 --> 00:41:51.150
into it. We need to do a bit of Google image
00:41:51.179 --> 00:41:55.219
searching, reverse image searching. We need to
00:41:55.219 --> 00:41:58.320
delve into this a bit further. And then we've
00:41:58.320 --> 00:42:01.960
ended up just not putting the podcast out because
00:42:01.960 --> 00:42:07.309
we don't want to be feasting people. But then
00:42:07.309 --> 00:42:11.690
we have people with the most outlandish story.
00:42:11.739 --> 00:42:14.480
This guy claimed he was taken by aliens every
00:42:14.480 --> 00:42:16.800
night, from our very stand at the campground
00:42:16.800 --> 00:42:19.469
every night. We were on a Zoom call with him,
00:42:19.690 --> 00:42:22.030
like, look at me and you are now. And you could
00:42:22.030 --> 00:42:27.530
see the anguish in his face. And I'm like, do
00:42:27.530 --> 00:42:32.429
I believe you? I think you believe what's happened
00:42:32.429 --> 00:42:35.369
to you is happening. So who am I? And I wasn't
00:42:35.369 --> 00:42:39.130
there. I don't know. Who am I to say that his
00:42:39.130 --> 00:42:43.429
experience is not real when she sat there? face
00:42:43.429 --> 00:42:47.090
to face with me, telling me this bizarre account
00:42:47.090 --> 00:42:52.190
of being taken every night. So I think it's difficult
00:42:52.190 --> 00:42:56.260
to weed out the people that are lying. People
00:42:56.260 --> 00:42:59.500
that believe what they're saying. They might
00:42:59.500 --> 00:43:01.500
be lying, but they believe what they're saying.
00:43:02.610 --> 00:43:05.889
They've gaslit themselves so much that they believed
00:43:05.889 --> 00:43:09.070
it. This weird shit is just happening to a lot
00:43:09.070 --> 00:43:13.289
of people. The real truth is somewhere in between
00:43:13.289 --> 00:43:15.809
that thing. I mean, weird stuff does happen,
00:43:16.269 --> 00:43:21.170
and to your friend that you were saying, not
00:43:21.170 --> 00:43:23.989
to push back on it, but I don't know if it's
00:43:23.989 --> 00:43:27.320
that contradictory what he's saying. I think
00:43:27.320 --> 00:43:31.039
this is what I would say. To me, it's easy to
00:43:31.039 --> 00:43:35.809
prove the unexplained. Yeah, there's things that
00:43:35.809 --> 00:43:37.070
happen, and we don't know where it is. Again,
00:43:37.289 --> 00:43:39.349
one of the explanations could be prosaic, but
00:43:39.349 --> 00:43:41.360
there's definitely things We don't know. Everything
00:43:41.360 --> 00:43:44.280
is not that you see with your own eyes, or we
00:43:44.280 --> 00:43:47.480
capture on video, or data is captured, can't
00:43:47.480 --> 00:43:50.679
be explained. But again, it doesn't mean it's
00:43:50.679 --> 00:43:53.340
something else. So to me, proving the unexplained
00:43:53.340 --> 00:43:57.440
is easy. It's explaining the unexplained that
00:43:57.440 --> 00:44:00.840
has yet to be done. So I can see how someone
00:44:00.840 --> 00:44:03.039
says, I don't believe in that, but I did have
00:44:03.039 --> 00:44:05.380
an experience I couldn't explain. But they're
00:44:05.380 --> 00:44:07.400
saying, I haven't crossed the finish line into
00:44:07.400 --> 00:44:12.440
this thing is real. Now, you know, that's what
00:44:12.440 --> 00:44:15.119
I think. I mean, I don't know. It's an interesting
00:44:15.119 --> 00:44:21.880
conversation. Yeah. To be fair, I think I just
00:44:21.880 --> 00:44:23.940
go into defensive mode. What do you mean you
00:44:23.940 --> 00:44:25.780
don't believe in the paranormal? Well, there's
00:44:25.780 --> 00:44:27.980
nothing wrong with that. I get it. You know,
00:44:28.099 --> 00:44:41.519
that's the... Trust me. Trust me. I get it. We
00:44:41.519 --> 00:44:45.440
have an armadillo out every weekend. We go into
00:44:45.440 --> 00:44:48.639
a haunted forest this weekend. We came in cross
00:44:48.639 --> 00:44:53.420
circles, hunting for ghosts. We try and see five.
00:44:53.639 --> 00:44:57.400
We do all this stuff. We go to haunted locations,
00:44:57.780 --> 00:45:02.860
filming. And I think, oh my God, people must
00:45:02.860 --> 00:45:05.239
think I'm a bird sheep place leader. Really must
00:45:05.239 --> 00:45:08.920
think I'm a fucking loser. Who cares? You're
00:45:08.920 --> 00:45:11.769
having adventures, right? Yeah. Hey, yeah, I
00:45:11.769 --> 00:45:14.900
had the wildest kind, had the wildest kind. So
00:45:14.900 --> 00:45:17.960
just going back to the documentary, sorry, we
00:45:17.960 --> 00:45:23.420
went off. This, I'll go. See by the police, as
00:45:23.420 --> 00:45:26.440
you mentioned, it's also called, and psionics
00:45:26.440 --> 00:45:30.679
now, ends to divide the UFO team. Well, we've
00:45:30.679 --> 00:45:34.369
got people that staunchly just give nuts and
00:45:34.369 --> 00:45:37.730
bolts. That's all it is. We see them, they see
00:45:37.730 --> 00:45:42.110
us. That's it. Why do you think the idea of sort
00:45:42.110 --> 00:45:46.980
of consciousness base generates those kind of
00:45:46.980 --> 00:45:49.880
reactions from other people in the UFO community?
00:45:52.409 --> 00:45:57.610
Sure, that's a good question You know, I don't
00:45:57.610 --> 00:45:59.670
know and you know I've always been fascinated
00:45:59.670 --> 00:46:03.170
by when I first came into the topic and I start
00:46:03.170 --> 00:46:06.010
you know learning all this new things I would
00:46:06.010 --> 00:46:09.920
see people be like Oh, you know, remote viewing
00:46:09.920 --> 00:46:13.119
or C5. This is such bullshit. And then they'd
00:46:13.119 --> 00:46:15.739
be like, so interdimensional time traveling beings.
00:46:16.159 --> 00:46:19.019
And I'm like, wait a second, that's OK. That
00:46:19.019 --> 00:46:22.159
sounds not crazy to you, but this sounds crazy
00:46:22.159 --> 00:46:25.320
to you. I mean, it's all crazy. And I mean, crazy,
00:46:25.380 --> 00:46:28.800
not in a bad way. Like, it all sounds nuts. But
00:46:28.960 --> 00:46:31.960
why is one more nuts than the other? I've never
00:46:31.960 --> 00:46:35.739
understood that. You know, we don't. If anything,
00:46:35.780 --> 00:46:39.670
I could argue. You know the idea of c5 or sonic
00:46:39.670 --> 00:46:42.969
sounds more reasonable in the sense that we all
00:46:42.969 --> 00:46:46.130
have a mind We all have consciousness and we
00:46:46.130 --> 00:46:48.789
don't know what that is science cannot explain
00:46:48.789 --> 00:46:52.619
the mind or consciousness so You know, maybe
00:46:52.619 --> 00:46:55.949
there's something there, you know, like I just
00:46:55.949 --> 00:46:59.949
I find that Fascinating. So yeah, you know, I
00:46:59.949 --> 00:47:03.500
don't know why people will turn down one thing
00:47:03.500 --> 00:47:06.519
over another. Now I can see why people don't
00:47:06.519 --> 00:47:08.800
believe a certain witness or a certain case,
00:47:09.539 --> 00:47:14.260
but the idea, I think dismissing an idea is interesting.
00:47:14.360 --> 00:47:16.360
Again, I'm super skeptical, but I don't dismiss
00:47:16.360 --> 00:47:21.079
things. I'm open -minded. I just have a high
00:47:21.079 --> 00:47:25.039
bar for belief. And in fact, I don't even look
00:47:25.039 --> 00:47:28.480
at it as belief. It will be believed. I don't
00:47:28.480 --> 00:47:30.750
need... Nobody asked, do you believe in the sun?
00:47:32.110 --> 00:47:35.909
No, it's not a question of belief, it's true.
00:47:37.070 --> 00:47:39.230
That's what I want the phenomena to be, it's
00:47:39.230 --> 00:47:41.530
just a question of truth, you don't have to believe
00:47:41.530 --> 00:47:46.010
in it. I think belief is before we get, quote,
00:47:46.269 --> 00:47:49.409
disclosure. And I think those conversations are
00:47:49.409 --> 00:47:54.730
fine, I think they're interesting. It's just
00:47:54.730 --> 00:47:57.570
such a hard balance, just life in general, but
00:47:57.570 --> 00:48:00.210
in this and the topic that you deal with and
00:48:00.210 --> 00:48:02.170
the topic I deal with, and again, I think they're
00:48:02.170 --> 00:48:03.650
all connected, you know, what you do and what
00:48:03.650 --> 00:48:06.989
I do, and I think it's tough to keep a balance
00:48:06.989 --> 00:48:10.349
of being open -minded about some ideas that maybe
00:48:10.349 --> 00:48:13.800
you've never thought, but at the same time, you
00:48:13.800 --> 00:48:16.920
know, making sure your head isn't, you're not
00:48:16.920 --> 00:48:19.239
so open -minded that your head falls out, right?
00:48:19.280 --> 00:48:22.380
You wanna be grounded in some way as well, and
00:48:22.380 --> 00:48:24.599
that's a high -wire act for anybody. It's not
00:48:24.599 --> 00:48:28.300
easy for anybody. And we're all... it's mountains
00:48:28.300 --> 00:48:30.500
and valleys on this journey. So we're all at
00:48:30.500 --> 00:48:33.920
different points. We've all taken in information
00:48:33.920 --> 00:48:36.320
differently than someone else and blah, blah,
00:48:36.500 --> 00:48:40.699
blah. I just try to be sympathetic to people
00:48:40.699 --> 00:48:46.300
and empathetic and listen as much as I can. Like
00:48:46.300 --> 00:48:48.860
the one interview you said, you were talking
00:48:48.860 --> 00:48:51.159
with a guy who had been abducted a lot and you
00:48:51.159 --> 00:48:53.519
could see the angle showing his face. And you
00:48:53.519 --> 00:48:55.539
say, well, is he telling the truth or not? It's
00:48:55.539 --> 00:48:57.519
like, that's not probably willing to know that.
00:48:57.639 --> 00:49:00.219
You know, like, he, it seems like he believes
00:49:00.219 --> 00:49:03.039
what happened and that's it. It just stays there.
00:49:03.239 --> 00:49:06.960
It just like nothing else I can do. It's really,
00:49:07.139 --> 00:49:09.719
if you, if you want people to believe your story,
00:49:10.199 --> 00:49:12.659
you got to provide proof. The onus is on you.
00:49:12.780 --> 00:49:14.420
You're the one making the claim. You're the one
00:49:14.420 --> 00:49:17.380
telling the story. That's not my job to prove
00:49:17.380 --> 00:49:20.320
your story. That's on you. But with that said,
00:49:20.320 --> 00:49:22.360
if you don't provide any proof, whatever. I'm
00:49:22.360 --> 00:49:25.079
okay to listen and take it in and it's data point
00:49:25.079 --> 00:49:29.420
and it can be interesting and you know I yeah
00:49:29.420 --> 00:49:32.710
I think just again I I wish more people lived
00:49:32.710 --> 00:49:35.829
in the land of I don't know with me I wish it
00:49:35.829 --> 00:49:38.250
was a set of such a solitary place sometimes
00:49:38.250 --> 00:49:41.840
uh people always try to get you to go one way
00:49:41.840 --> 00:49:44.699
or the other you know like come on tell me which
00:49:44.699 --> 00:49:49.360
is like oh man I don't you know we talked about
00:49:49.360 --> 00:49:52.420
disclosure and it was just thinking just then
00:49:52.420 --> 00:49:59.030
that disclosure for people like us. Disclosure
00:49:59.030 --> 00:50:01.929
doesn't matter, because we all believe that something
00:50:01.929 --> 00:50:05.550
weird is happening. Whatever it might be, it
00:50:05.550 --> 00:50:08.550
could be egg ends, it could be interdimensional
00:50:08.550 --> 00:50:11.630
beings, it could be future humans, it could be
00:50:11.630 --> 00:50:14.530
any of that, all of it, none of it, will have
00:50:14.530 --> 00:50:17.739
some. It doesn't matter to me, because I know
00:50:17.739 --> 00:50:20.019
there's some weird shit going on just from all
00:50:20.019 --> 00:50:24.210
this stuff. We were on nearly 400 episodes and
00:50:24.210 --> 00:50:30.260
we just, we interview the biggest spectrum of
00:50:30.260 --> 00:50:34.539
people across the globe. Yeah, yeah. If none
00:50:34.539 --> 00:50:37.699
of it's real, then how many, why have so many
00:50:37.699 --> 00:50:40.739
people got stories about your own abductions?
00:50:41.900 --> 00:50:45.800
The paranormal, Bigfoot plates. We've interviewed
00:50:45.800 --> 00:50:52.590
people who've been Bigfoot alongside dwarfs and
00:50:52.659 --> 00:50:55.579
all sorts of creatures though. really shouldn't
00:50:55.579 --> 00:51:00.179
be this but somewhere do possibly maybe not I
00:51:00.179 --> 00:51:02.199
don't know it's not for me to judge like you
00:51:02.199 --> 00:51:05.000
said does it matter that they can't provide much
00:51:05.000 --> 00:51:08.780
brief? no I like listening to the stories I like
00:51:08.780 --> 00:51:12.039
talking to people I like talking to people they're
00:51:12.039 --> 00:51:16.280
like -minded and it's just fascinating to meet
00:51:16.280 --> 00:51:22.269
people that have got an experience to tell so
00:51:22.559 --> 00:51:25.440
talking about the phenomena itself and what what
00:51:25.440 --> 00:51:27.820
these people are summoning, whether it's UFO,
00:51:27.960 --> 00:51:32.760
UAV, God, whatever. Do you think that the phenomena
00:51:32.760 --> 00:51:38.519
is responding to us? Or are we somehow now becoming
00:51:38.519 --> 00:51:47.210
aware of something that's always been? Well,
00:51:47.210 --> 00:51:54.440
I guess both possibilities are possible. Yeah,
00:51:54.440 --> 00:51:58.570
that's a tough one. I don't know. I've heard
00:51:58.570 --> 00:52:02.389
so many different things, and they all seem,
00:52:02.510 --> 00:52:04.889
to me, all possibilities are on the table till
00:52:04.889 --> 00:52:08.530
they're not. So I don't really know. I've kind
00:52:08.530 --> 00:52:10.710
of heard everything. I've never had such a personal
00:52:10.710 --> 00:52:14.070
experience that left me with such definitive
00:52:14.070 --> 00:52:15.829
answers that I hear from some people. I talk
00:52:15.829 --> 00:52:18.829
to so many people that, quote, have it figured
00:52:18.829 --> 00:52:22.170
out. No, no, it's this Patrick. This is it. That's
00:52:22.170 --> 00:52:25.019
the thing. This is what's going on. I communicate
00:52:25.019 --> 00:52:26.900
with them every night, and they're telling me
00:52:26.900 --> 00:52:30.969
this, and I don't know. It's like, I just don't
00:52:30.969 --> 00:52:33.530
think anyone has the answer, but I don't know.
00:52:34.210 --> 00:52:37.989
It's more like, what do I hope it is? More than
00:52:37.989 --> 00:52:43.210
anything. And I just hope, again, I know it's
00:52:43.210 --> 00:52:46.730
a messy thing, whatever, there starts to be this
00:52:46.730 --> 00:52:53.139
open interaction with whatever's going on. humanity
00:52:53.139 --> 00:53:00.210
makes it out alive from it. You know, a lion
00:53:00.210 --> 00:53:03.010
interacting with the butterfly. It's not really
00:53:03.010 --> 00:53:05.369
going to attack that butterfly, but it could
00:53:05.369 --> 00:53:09.449
accidentally fucking step on it. And, you know,
00:53:09.730 --> 00:53:12.730
it's like it's not necessarily that the lion
00:53:12.730 --> 00:53:15.710
is a predator to that butterfly, but it's not
00:53:15.710 --> 00:53:19.190
also looking out to make sure it survives. You
00:53:19.190 --> 00:53:25.019
know, so. I just hope, you know, we've persevered
00:53:25.019 --> 00:53:29.679
this long on Earth and, you know, they say in
00:53:29.679 --> 00:53:33.659
history we were down to a few thousand and we're
00:53:33.659 --> 00:53:36.280
in the billions now, right? Like, I just hope
00:53:36.280 --> 00:53:40.059
we can, you know, persevere through, you know,
00:53:40.219 --> 00:53:45.630
whatever it is and if the whatever it is starts
00:53:45.630 --> 00:53:49.690
interacting with us that, you know, it can be
00:53:49.690 --> 00:53:55.579
beneficial for us too, not just for them. So
00:53:56.099 --> 00:53:59.579
if you were to walk away from psionics and watching
00:53:59.579 --> 00:54:01.880
a question, just one thing that they probably
00:54:01.880 --> 00:54:09.050
knew about UFOs or UAP would be, is there something
00:54:09.050 --> 00:54:12.389
that you would be going to take from the documentary?
00:54:14.019 --> 00:54:16.599
Yeah, that's a great question. Well, first I'm
00:54:16.599 --> 00:54:19.539
wearing my shirt. This is from the poster. So
00:54:19.539 --> 00:54:22.420
that's me. That's me right there summoning a
00:54:22.420 --> 00:54:26.489
UFO. Yes, so if you go to psionics .film, you
00:54:26.489 --> 00:54:28.530
can see it there exclusively. It is coming out
00:54:28.530 --> 00:54:30.750
on streaming in September, so it'll be available
00:54:30.750 --> 00:54:34.730
on Apple and wherever the fuck it goes for streaming.
00:54:35.030 --> 00:54:38.550
I can't remember, Amazon, all those places. But
00:54:38.550 --> 00:54:42.190
you can get it at the website. And yes, what
00:54:42.190 --> 00:54:46.670
I hope people take away from the film is wherever
00:54:46.670 --> 00:54:50.789
you sit on the topic. I actually think it's a
00:54:50.789 --> 00:54:52.610
great film to share with people who are very
00:54:52.610 --> 00:54:55.840
skeptical. about the thing. Now, this is bullshit.
00:54:56.039 --> 00:54:58.400
No, no, watch this guy. This guy just thinks
00:54:58.400 --> 00:54:59.960
just like, you know, he thinks it's bullshit,
00:55:00.059 --> 00:55:02.820
but just watch what happens. You know, I think
00:55:02.820 --> 00:55:06.179
just remain open to things we haven't figured
00:55:06.179 --> 00:55:08.599
out. If we say, well, we haven't figured that
00:55:08.599 --> 00:55:11.840
out, and then you go, it can't be possible, well,
00:55:11.960 --> 00:55:14.519
then you just figured it out. You just tried
00:55:14.519 --> 00:55:17.480
to figure it out, right? So it's gotta be both
00:55:17.480 --> 00:55:21.150
ways. You know, I wanna be fair. So that's where
00:55:21.150 --> 00:55:22.869
I hope people take away from the film to just
00:55:22.869 --> 00:55:25.869
be open -minded. And at the very least, go try
00:55:25.869 --> 00:55:28.369
it. This is something you can go try. That's
00:55:28.369 --> 00:55:31.570
what interests me about Psyonix, too, was you
00:55:31.570 --> 00:55:35.039
hear great UFO cases, events that have happened
00:55:35.039 --> 00:55:37.539
over the years, but guess what? I can't go see
00:55:37.539 --> 00:55:40.000
that UFO in a museum. I can't go see the bodies,
00:55:40.000 --> 00:55:42.179
they say, that got recovered in it. I can't see
00:55:42.179 --> 00:55:44.119
shit. I've been to Roswell. You go to Roswell,
00:55:44.159 --> 00:55:47.380
you see fucking dirt. I've been to Area 51. There's
00:55:47.380 --> 00:55:50.239
a big fucking military gate. You're not seeing
00:55:50.239 --> 00:55:52.719
anything, you know? But psionics, it's like,
00:55:52.800 --> 00:55:55.199
oh shit, you're saying I could go out to this
00:55:55.199 --> 00:55:58.099
thing and try to do the meditation, you know?
00:55:58.480 --> 00:56:00.960
Yeah, at the very least, you'll have some fun
00:56:00.960 --> 00:56:04.300
with your friends, and you'll probably have a
00:56:04.300 --> 00:56:06.280
bunch of conversations that night that'll just
00:56:06.280 --> 00:56:10.099
be very fulfilling philosophically, spiritually,
00:56:10.420 --> 00:56:14.019
emotionally for you. Maybe that's the win, right?
00:56:14.079 --> 00:56:17.460
So like, yeah, I just hope people remain open
00:56:17.460 --> 00:56:20.159
to it. whether you're skeptical or you already
00:56:20.159 --> 00:56:24.239
believe it, that you go try it for yourself.
00:56:26.329 --> 00:56:29.090
That's cool. I think, yeah, some of the best
00:56:29.090 --> 00:56:31.929
conversations I've ever had are out with like
00:56:31.929 --> 00:56:35.769
-minded people when we're discussing what could
00:56:35.769 --> 00:56:38.789
be, what couldn't be, what we think it is, what
00:56:38.789 --> 00:56:43.000
we think it isn't. And it just, it snowballs
00:56:43.000 --> 00:56:48.440
into existential conversation about the meaning
00:56:48.440 --> 00:56:53.619
of life. If I was to get taken, would I try and
00:56:53.619 --> 00:57:05.199
fight him? No, I didn't. Me too, bro. Me too.
00:57:05.400 --> 00:57:09.260
You mentioned that people can see this at Siamics
00:57:09.260 --> 00:57:12.920
.fil. We'll put a link up in there. I'll also
00:57:12.920 --> 00:57:15.280
put a link to the trailer as well, because the
00:57:15.280 --> 00:57:19.500
trailer's mad and I like that. Where can people
00:57:19.500 --> 00:57:23.809
find your YouTube podcast? Well, that kind of
00:57:23.809 --> 00:57:27.900
thing. Yeah, you just search vetted on YouTube.
00:57:27.980 --> 00:57:31.440
You'll find it. D .E .T .T .D. or you can go
00:57:31.440 --> 00:57:33.940
to our website. I'll lead you to everything vetted
00:57:33.940 --> 00:57:37.960
show. Really, really easy. I see people searching
00:57:37.960 --> 00:57:40.159
for us all the time. Yeah, you just search vetted.
00:57:40.400 --> 00:57:41.980
It'll it'll all come up. You just put in Google.
00:57:42.059 --> 00:57:45.360
It'll come up. And one thing about the film,
00:57:45.380 --> 00:57:47.619
if you if you purchase the film on our website,
00:57:48.159 --> 00:57:50.679
it's basically we're an independent production.
00:57:50.980 --> 00:57:53.500
You know, I mean, you get that like we're we're
00:57:53.409 --> 00:57:56.789
You know, we made this ourselves, you know, vetted
00:57:56.789 --> 00:58:00.969
in conjunction with Alamo Pictures. And, you
00:58:00.969 --> 00:58:02.369
know, again, I want to give a big shout out to
00:58:02.369 --> 00:58:05.360
Glenn Barden, who directed the film. It is my
00:58:05.360 --> 00:58:09.849
journey and I filmed most of it, but I didn't
00:58:09.849 --> 00:58:12.469
edit the film. I didn't direct it. I didn't do
00:58:12.469 --> 00:58:14.469
the sound or music or anything, you know. So
00:58:14.469 --> 00:58:16.250
I just want to give a shout out to the team that
00:58:16.250 --> 00:58:19.110
that brought the madness that I brought to them
00:58:19.110 --> 00:58:21.750
in video clips. And they somehow, you know, made
00:58:21.750 --> 00:58:26.250
something happen coherently. So, big shout out
00:58:26.250 --> 00:58:29.510
to them. But I will say, if you get the film
00:58:29.510 --> 00:58:32.510
on our website, saranx .film, we're actually
00:58:32.510 --> 00:58:35.949
offering, in addition to the film, you also get
00:58:35.949 --> 00:58:38.809
almost three hours of additional interviews that
00:58:38.809 --> 00:58:42.909
we didn't include in the film. So it's kind of
00:58:42.909 --> 00:58:46.869
an extra bonus that comes with it. Because when
00:58:46.869 --> 00:58:49.110
it comes out on streaming, it'll just be the
00:58:49.110 --> 00:58:52.050
film. So this is kind of an extra thing to sort
00:58:52.050 --> 00:58:56.539
of help. Thank you very much. I've really enjoyed
00:58:56.539 --> 00:58:58.860
the last hour Patrick. It's been fascinating.
00:58:59.000 --> 00:59:02.000
It's always great to meet new people, like -minded
00:59:02.000 --> 00:59:06.920
people and also documentary filmmakers, the people
00:59:06.920 --> 00:59:11.400
who go above and beyond the normal just going
00:59:11.400 --> 00:59:19.110
out and the passion comes across. Thank you very
00:59:19.110 --> 00:59:21.469
much and I really appreciate the time you've
00:59:21.469 --> 00:59:24.170
taken. We got there in the end, we got the interview
00:59:24.170 --> 00:59:26.590
sorted and I really do appreciate it. Thank you
00:59:26.590 --> 00:59:30.039
so much. Thank you, Greg. Thank you to the pursuit
00:59:30.039 --> 00:59:32.320
of the paranormal really appreciate you guys.
00:59:32.539 --> 00:59:35.480
And yeah, it was an honor to come on. Thank you
00:59:35.480 --> 00:59:37.980
so much and I'll speak to you soon. Awesome.