Episode 356
Mind Control and Military UFO Secrets: Fighter Pilot Tells All
Today’s discourse navigates the intricate intersections of military experience and the enigmatic realm of unidentified aerial phenomena (UAPs). Our distinguished guest, Michael Selig, a decorated former U.S. Marine Corps combat jet attack pilot, shares his profound insights regarding the covert operations he encountered during Operation Desert Storm. He elucidates the dissonance between the intelligence he received as the squadron intelligence officer and the narratives presented to the public, igniting a critical examination of governmental transparency and the manipulation of information. This episode delves into the broader implications of such experiences, suggesting a looming contact event with extraterrestrial entities by 2027, a prospect that beckons both curiosity and apprehension. As we unravel these complex themes, we invite our listeners to contemplate the profound ramifications of these revelations for humanity and our understanding of our place within the cosmos.
Transcript
I was the squadron intelligence officer, which means that I'm flying missions every night of the war in the A6 and I'm attacking targets.
Speaker A:So that's one antenna.
Speaker A:But then I'm coming back and I'm going to the secure room and I'm reading briefs.
Speaker A:Top secret traffic that's coming through from across the world and some of it is directed for our squadron.
Speaker A:So I'm supposed to look for things for my squadron of whatever it is.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker A:So that's my second antenna.
Speaker A:And those two weren't making sense because the top secret traffic had nothing to do with what I was attacking on my missions.
Speaker A:You're listening to Pursuit of the Paranormal podcast with your hosts, Ash Ellis and Greg Tomlinson.
Speaker B:Hey, Ash, how are you doing?
Speaker C:I'm very well.
Speaker C:I'm very well.
Speaker C:I had a great Christmas and New Year.
Speaker C:How was yours?
Speaker B:Yeah, wonderful Christmas.
Speaker B:Spent up very close to you.
Speaker B:I actually spent Christmas Day in Manchester.
Speaker C:So you didn't come see him.
Speaker B:I know about Manchester's massive place.
Speaker B:It'll probably take me just as long to get to your house as it would do to get back down to my house, as I found out.
Speaker C:I'll let you off.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:You know, it's true.
Speaker B:Listeners did.
Speaker B:So what you been up to since we last spoke?
Speaker C:Not what.
Speaker C:Work is very, very busy over Christmas, so it's been jam packed.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Working in hospitality industry.
Speaker C:It's very, very busy.
Speaker C: But we are ready to hit: Speaker B:Yes, yes, we are, we are.
Speaker B:We've got loads of plans and anybody who's following us on social media, we've.
Speaker B:We've been talking about.
Speaker B:We've got some big stuff coming this year, so we're gonna start off with a bang.
Speaker B:Like you say, we've got big plans for social media as well, so.
Speaker B:And we're starting off at the end of this month with 30 East Drive.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Which is gonna be super cool.
Speaker B:Which I've been to before.
Speaker B:Have you been before?
Speaker C:Nope, never looking forward to it.
Speaker B:And the girls were going with the girls and they've been a couple of times and they've had some weird stuff happening.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah, looking forward to that.
Speaker B:Tick that off.
Speaker C:And we're going to be going on tour this year.
Speaker B:Yes, we are.
Speaker B:We've already got one booked in.
Speaker B:Haven't we got.
Speaker C:We've got more than one.
Speaker C:Hello.
Speaker C:We've got at least three booked in.
Speaker C:How.
Speaker C:We'll fill you in.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Okay, I'm looking forward to that.
Speaker B:And that's our talk around the, The Parallels between UAP investigations and paranormal investigations.
Speaker B:And building on our talk from Parachat last year.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:In Muscle Cave in in Hull.
Speaker B:So that.
Speaker B:Which was awesome and I love doing that.
Speaker B:So that was a really good talk.
Speaker B:So to start off the year, we've got a very exciting guest with us tonight.
Speaker C:Very interesting, very interesting.
Speaker B:So I, I've, I've got a little intro written down so I'm going to read it.
Speaker B:So do not cut this up because I want to make sure I get this right.
Speaker B:So tonight's guest doesn't speculate about secrecy.
Speaker B:He's lived inside it.
Speaker B:So before becoming a filmmaker and a best selling author, Michael Selig was a decorated U. S. Marine corps combat jet attack pilot.
Speaker B:Our first pilot attack pilot and fighter pilot and squadron intelligence officer flying missions during Desert Storm.
Speaker B:So that's going back and operating environments where information wasn't shared freely and as we know through some of the disclosure stuff that's happening that the, the military and the governments control the information release regardless.
Speaker B:So being part of that, after leaving the military, Michael went on to write and direct projects that have been seen on Netflix, Showtime and Amazon Prime.
Speaker B:But it's his international best selling novel Hush that we'll talk about a little bit later on in the podcast truly blurs the line between fiction and something more uncomfortable.
Speaker B:Exploring alien manipulation, deep state deception and the quiet weaponization of the human mind.
Speaker B:So this isn't going to be a conversation about little green men, offline sources.
Speaker B:It's about silence, control and what happens when reality is shaped by forces that never announce themselves.
Speaker B:We're going to ask dangerous questions, hopefully.
Speaker B:And hopefully we'll get some dangerous answers.
Speaker B:So tonight on Pursuit of the Paranormal podcast we've got Michael Selig.
Speaker B:Thanks for joining us.
Speaker B:I hope I've done that justice.
Speaker A:That was great, Greg.
Speaker A:And both you and Ash, it's a real honor to be here.
Speaker B:Honors ours to, to speak to a decorated U.S. military veteran.
Speaker B:That's super cool.
Speaker B:And I know from going to America that the difference between the US and the UK with military veterans over in the US Military veterans are held in a much higher esteem.
Speaker B:Quite right.
Speaker C:The UK doesn't care.
Speaker B:UK doesn't really care.
Speaker B:No, no, unfortunately not.
Speaker A:But you, but you guys also have kind of like in my opinion, your, your SAs they're, they're the equivalent of the best that we have.
Speaker A:In my opinion.
Speaker A:They're, they're, they're unbelievable.
Speaker A:I don't if they're not, you know, kind of put on high ground over there, those Guys, in my book, I'm like, whoa, sas.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:And without getting too political over here at the moment, and it has been for a long time that obviously combat the war environment in.
Speaker B:In the theater of war.
Speaker B:I'm aware that things are not quite the same as our.
Speaker B:In civilian life.
Speaker B:I get that.
Speaker B:And emotions change people's reactions to things.
Speaker B:I get that.
Speaker B:And I know this isn't what we do on the podcast, but from a.
Speaker B:The military side in the uk, the government are pursuing active and veteran soldiers for things that happen during the theater of war.
Speaker B:So if any.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I don't even know.
Speaker B:We're not.
Speaker B:We're not.
Speaker B:But basically.
Speaker B:Basically, yeah.
Speaker B:So they pursue actions taken by our veterans during the theater of war.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker B:Then that.
Speaker B:They shouldn't have done these things.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:I don't.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:I wasn't there.
Speaker A:Right, right.
Speaker A:Super complicated.
Speaker B:Super complicated.
Speaker B:But these people, even from like 30, 40, 50 years ago, are still being pursued for stuff that they did.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So we.
Speaker A:I had no idea.
Speaker B:We don't treat our veterans quite the same as.
Speaker B:As they do in.
Speaker B:In the US And I. I've witnessed.
Speaker B:I've been over to Florida, for example, and it was amazing to see that.
Speaker B:I went over to Disney World.
Speaker B:It.
Speaker B:Yeah, Disney World in Orlando, of course, a few times.
Speaker B:And go over on the boat from the car park, and there'd be a guy or a woman with like a military hat on or a top with a badge from where they were.
Speaker B:And the guy on the boat would be going, thank you for your service, sir.
Speaker B:And then everybody would be thanked for their service over here.
Speaker B:They don't give a really.
Speaker B:I've got a lot of people that I know.
Speaker B:I dread to think what.
Speaker B:What they've been through.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker B:But yeah, we.
Speaker A:And you know, politics.
Speaker A:Politics flow like a river over time and things will change.
Speaker A:And maybe 10 years from now that'll flip again in England.
Speaker A:And who knows, maybe in America they'll be pursuing past war crimes.
Speaker A:Who knows?
Speaker A:You know?
Speaker A:But I know what you mean.
Speaker A:It can be complicated.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Sorry to start that off on quite a Sunday.
Speaker A:I actually.
Speaker A:I actually learned something right there that's really.
Speaker A:I mean, you know, we don't unders.
Speaker A:I don't.
Speaker A:There's no place that I would look that up unless I read daily British newspapers, which obviously I don't.
Speaker A:So it's kind of interesting to know that.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker A:I had no idea that was going on.
Speaker A:It'll just be.
Speaker A:I'll now kind of keep my ear to the ground.
Speaker A:So to speak over time.
Speaker C:And it's crazy because, like, we have such a close relationship with the US and the UK military.
Speaker C:There's lots of, so US bases over here run by the US Air Force and stuff like that.
Speaker C:And my uncle was in the Navy for 30 years and he worked in New York.
Speaker C:Hook on the US Navy Nuclear.
Speaker C:Honest comment for like three years.
Speaker C:They're over there as well.
Speaker C:It's like when, like, like Greg said, we go to like winter SeaWorld in Orlando when they do like before the show, do a big thing, like all our veterans stand up and everyone's cheering and stuff.
Speaker C:It's like, what's happening?
Speaker C:Like, it's just, just none of that in the UK at all.
Speaker A:So different.
Speaker C:But we're so similar in a lot of other things as countries, but that side of it is just completely, just non existent in the UK for some reason.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, it really is.
Speaker B:It's mad.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm sure that the, the folks who care about the folks in the military there, you know, give them calls behind the scenes to say, hey, we got your back.
Speaker A:You know, the public, the public eye might right now might not be so good, but we love you.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:Yeah, you know, yeah, we appreciate everybody that's done service for, for the countries.
Speaker C:Sure.
Speaker B:Yeah, absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker B:So, right, let's get back, let's get, let's get into it properly.
Speaker B:But it's important, important to say that to be fair.
Speaker B:And one of my most favorite books is actually about one of the SAS guys that was captured during Desert Storm.
Speaker B:So that was.
Speaker B:That's quite cool and quite.
Speaker A:Wait, let me just tell you what it is.
Speaker A:The one that got away.
Speaker A:No, no, the other one is my favorite SAS dude.
Speaker A:Goes in with his team of eight, they get compromised, three of them get thrown, three.
Speaker A:Here's the great story.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Because we're going to go to Desert Storm anyway in this talk.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:My roommate gets shot down in a Harrier.
Speaker A:Now, I don't want to tell you too much, but if you haven't read the one that Got Away, it's an awesome book.
Speaker A:It's an SAS dude, I think he goes in with a team of eight British soldiers, right?
Speaker A:They're the lead trying to figure out targets for NATO.
Speaker A:Basically, what are we going to get with Sodom's military?
Speaker A:They get compromised, only three.
Speaker A:Several are killed and then three are sent to the Iraqi prison.
Speaker A:This one guy ends up traveling 300 miles on foot.
Speaker A:And it's an amazing story.
Speaker A:I Won't tell you any more other than at the end of the story when he mentions the one American raising hell in the Iraqi prison.
Speaker A:That's not only my roommate, but it is the only guy I know in all of the Marines in all of my Marine training that not only made it to general, but made it to, I think, major or Lieutenant General.
Speaker A:I'll just say this.
Speaker A:His name is Russell Sanborn and he was a total shit starter with me.
Speaker A:Go.
Speaker A:Like, I would have never guessed Russell would not only finish out being a POW and then be obviously liberated at the end of Desert Storm, but then goes on.
Speaker A:He just retired like a year ago.
Speaker A:Kind of an interesting story, but the one that Got Away is an amazing book written by an SAS Chris Ryan guy.
Speaker A:And I, I loved it.
Speaker A:Yeah, I, I recommend it to a bunch of different people.
Speaker B:The, the book I'm talking about is the guy that was running in the same team as him.
Speaker B:And the book's called Bravo Two zero by Andy McNabb.
Speaker B:And it's.
Speaker B:I've read it so many times and it's okay.
Speaker B:NAB was in.
Speaker B:He was one of the guys that got captured and tortured and.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:And it's interesting.
Speaker B:It's such a cool.
Speaker A:I'll have to pick that one up too.
Speaker B:Honestly, it is amazing because Andy is.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I think he was the team leader of the.
Speaker B:The team.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Chris Ryan was in.
Speaker B:So as soon as you said the one that got away, that's like almost like the same.
Speaker B:It's the same, right?
Speaker A:It's the same team.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:It'll be two different perspectives, so it'll be interesting to read the other one as well.
Speaker B:Such a cool book.
Speaker B:Such a cool book.
Speaker B:So I don't even know where we got to there.
Speaker C:Your military history, Michael, I guess.
Speaker C:Where kind of your bit.
Speaker C:Bit of backstory into your kind of service history, I guess.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker A: ut Me I got out of College in: Speaker A:That is a state next to Texas, if you don't know where that is in the uk.
Speaker A:And I then went into flight training for the Marines.
Speaker A:But that basically means I go through United States Navy flight training because the Navy runs all the flight training schools.
Speaker A:I was selected for jets.
Speaker A:I then learned to do the aircraft carrier landings day and night.
Speaker A:I was then selected for a Six Intruders, which is an all weather attack jet.
Speaker A:It's a Vietnam era bird that's no longer flown.
Speaker A:It's been now mothballed.
Speaker A:But it's the new jet that came out in place of it was the two seat F18.
Speaker A:But the A6 Intruder was made to go in.
Speaker A:When you can't see out of your cockpit or go through mountains in, in really heavy weather, it basically paints a picture of the target, kind of like, like Luke Skywalker, where I can see a visual in front of me that's all a video game.
Speaker A:And then it shows me where the target is.
Speaker A:And I'm flying between mountains and I literally can't see out of the cockpit.
Speaker A:I'm relying on that painted picture in front of me, which is digital, obviously, and then we attack the target and get out.
Speaker A:But I say that to say that my A6 Intruder Squadron was based out of Cherry Point, North Carolina, which is on the east coast of America.
Speaker A: hen right when I got there in: Speaker A: And at the end of: Speaker A:We were then sent to the island of Bahrain on the southern tip.
Speaker A:There was a expeditionary airfield there called Sheikh Ezequiel.
Speaker A:It was top secret at the time, it's no longer top secret.
Speaker A:And it was a huge NATO base.
Speaker A:So Air Force, Army, Marines of America, but also British, everything was there at that base.
Speaker A:And so we got there.
Speaker A: th of: Speaker A:You'll have to look me up if I'm a day or so off.
Speaker A:But pretty close to that was when we took bombs over the fence and we didn't bring them back.
Speaker A:And during that time I was the intelligence officer for my squadron, which means that anytime you're a pilot in an American squadron, you also have a kind of a squadron billet.
Speaker A:So you can be the maintenance officer for six months, or you can be the intelligence officer, or you can be the logistics officer for six months.
Speaker A:And what you're doing is you're kind of learning the other parts of your squadron and how it really functions.
Speaker A:So that if eventually you want to become, say, a squadron commander, you know all parts of how the squadron works.
Speaker A:That's how they train you.
Speaker A:So it just so happens that when I got to Operation Desert Storm, I was the squadron intelligence officer, which means that I'm flying missions every night of the war in the A6 and I'm attacking targets.
Speaker A:So that's one antenna.
Speaker A:But then I'm coming back and I'm going to the secure room and I'm reading briefs.
Speaker A:Top secret traffic that's coming through from across the world.
Speaker A:And some of it is directed for our squadron.
Speaker A:So I'm supposed to look for things for my squadron of whatever it is.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker A:So that's my second antenna.
Speaker A:And those two weren't making sense because the top secret traffic had nothing to do with what I was attacking on my missions.
Speaker A:So I thought, well, that's weird.
Speaker A:They're not mentioning anything about Saddam Hussein's potentially nuclear weapon cache somewhere or.
Speaker A:And then I'm going to the squadrons.
Speaker A:Well, it's not the squadron.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A: l eating and of all things in: Speaker A:They have a huge CNN television screen.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So I'm eating with my squadron mates watching cnn, going, that's not making sense with what my missions are doing and with what the top secret traffic.
Speaker A:And at that moment in time I just realized there's some kind of bigger mechanism working here.
Speaker A:This is not the American military running this.
Speaker A:It's certainly not.
Speaker A:It just felt like it was above all governments.
Speaker A:It.
Speaker A:It didn't.
Speaker A:CNN wasn't corresponding.
Speaker A:And all I can say is at that moment in time I thought, all right, there, something is just not adding up here.
Speaker A:But I didn't know what.
Speaker A:I was busy flying missions.
Speaker A:So that's the beginning of my military career.
Speaker A:The concise version of how I got to become a writer is after eight years in the military flying.
Speaker A:That's one tour for a pilot.
Speaker A:They spend a little more money on you as a pilot.
Speaker A:So you can't just stay in for three years and get out.
Speaker A:You have to commit to eight.
Speaker A:So I committed to eight.
Speaker A:I got out, I went right to LA to begin writing screenplays.
Speaker A:Not only to produce on my own, but also for other production companies.
Speaker A:So I'm a storyteller at heart.
Speaker A:And then eventually that led to writing Hush and.
Speaker A:And here we are.
Speaker C:Wow, that's one hell of a.
Speaker C:An intro, I guess to your kind of history.
Speaker C:So I mean we'll come more onto I sort of the more you UAP stuff.
Speaker C:But I guess if you're training that you had, you kind of touching it a little bit.
Speaker C:You're kind of watching what the narrative was and thinking that's not what's happening.
Speaker C:That's what first got started, the cogs turning.
Speaker C:And so I guess with your training that you've had about obviously being observant and looking for patterns, stuff like this, how does that sort of turn into where do we get to UFOs, I guess from here?
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker C:Where did that kind of come in we'll go.
Speaker C:We.
Speaker C:Welcome back to this stuff, but sort of kind of just link it initially.
Speaker C:Where did that.
Speaker A:No, that's a great.
Speaker A:That's a great question, Ash.
Speaker A:That's a good question.
Speaker A:So where it led to for me was obviously when I got out of the military, I still had that perplexed feeling of something's.
Speaker A:Something's bigger.
Speaker A:There's a bigger mechanism working here.
Speaker A:But I, you know, you can't dwell on something that you haven't researched yet or figure out.
Speaker A:So I. I began writing stories, and during the years of working on, you know, fictional screenplays of all types, I began to look into my covert history.
Speaker A:Just because I was fascinated with Roswell and all the stuff that was supposedly hidden.
Speaker A:Just different things led me to starting to research Roswell.
Speaker A:And very quickly I realized, oh, no, this event did happen, and there's a lot buried here.
Speaker A:But by the time I started researching, there had been so many deathbed confessions.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A: people who had been warned in: Speaker A:And several did disappear.
Speaker A:So the individuals that were giving deathbed confessions were literally saying, like, I didn't.
Speaker A:I wanted to talk about this my whole life, but I. I was too afraid.
Speaker A:And I'm just going to tell you what I saw.
Speaker A:I don't care if you believe me.
Speaker A:This is what occurred.
Speaker A:There is.
Speaker A:It became apparent to me that there were volumes and volumes of witness testimony.
Speaker A:And looking into that, as well as some sources that I had at the time, I just realized, oh, my goodness, I've been deceived.
Speaker A:I've bitten on this mind control hook, line and sinker.
Speaker A:The whole it was just a weather balloon thing was completely part of that same mechanism where I could tell somebody bigger than the American military was controlling it.
Speaker A:Bigger than any, like, not British, not Canadian.
Speaker A:This was.
Speaker A:I just had a sense that the entity that was controlling how I could be hoodwinked like that had to be smarter, almost smarter than human.
Speaker A:So then I started, you know, researching everything to do with aliens, abductions, UAPs, anything to do with where something has been denied.
Speaker A:I started going down those rabbit holes to see, well, let's just see how much information is really out here.
Speaker A:And so that's.
Speaker A:That's what led me to eventually writing hush, because I.
Speaker A:And hush is basically, it's your covert history.
Speaker A: rt history beginning in about: Speaker A:And I won't tell you too much about what's in the book, but you kind of get a sense of like, okay, wow, this all began just before Roswell.
Speaker A: ath, is just remember that in: Speaker A:So if you wonder why aliens may have crashed there, we're going to get to that.
Speaker A:But that's the main reason.
Speaker B:I was gonna say it's.
Speaker B:The whole reptilian thing is interesting because I've, I've been into certain authors and people who research this for a long time and it isn't something we've really touched on on the podcast, but it's interesting.
Speaker B:No, it's interesting.
Speaker B:You mentioned.
Speaker B:I, I was also as part of sort of doing a bit research earlier the, the reviews on Amazon for your book.
Speaker B:There are several reviews on there that say, although this is presented as a work of like sci fi or whatever, I know the majority of this is true.
Speaker B:So have you written it as a work of fiction or is it your way of telling the truth?
Speaker A:Okay, so it's a little bit of both.
Speaker A:That's a perfect question.
Speaker A:And, and here's what I've learned about if I.
Speaker A:And everybody's experienced this that has studied alien events.
Speaker A:If you read a book with a bunch of footnotes where the author is trying to prove their case, it can get pretty dry.
Speaker A:Now I love those books because the author is trying to prove their points.
Speaker A:And so you can kind of vet how well did the author do their research.
Speaker A:But as a storyteller, from being in Hollywood, I've learned that more people will absorb your story if you make the story king.
Speaker A:The story has to be first.
Speaker A:It has to be a badass story.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:A really kind of butt kicking story.
Speaker A:Maybe I'm using the wrong language for your British show.
Speaker A:Should I not say those words?
Speaker B:No, no, we don't.
Speaker A:So it has to, it has to be really good story.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:First and then whatever you put in there.
Speaker A:If they want to do more research, they might realize, oh dang, this might be your actual history.
Speaker A:So yes, if you're reading in Hush about Eisenhower going to Roswell and he's in an armed convoy, that may be factual.
Speaker A:If you're reading about Draco Reptilians kicking things off with the Nazis because the Nazis were Trying to conjure the devil.
Speaker A:They were getting into everything because they kind of knew at the end of the day here, we're not going to beat gigantic America and Britain and the Russians.
Speaker A:We're not.
Speaker A:We're going to get smoked.
Speaker A:So what can we do?
Speaker A:Let's conjure the devil.
Speaker A:They were conjuring the devil.
Speaker A: That Himmler in: Speaker A:Well, guess who shows up.
Speaker A:Guess who is waiting for that day.
Speaker A:The Draco Reptilian.
Speaker A:I want to say something about the Draco.
Speaker A:All of us humans.
Speaker A:If I'm going to mention to you about, and the reason I'm bringing this up is the Draco Reptilians of all aliens are hard to for humans to take as real.
Speaker A:And I'll tell you why that occurs.
Speaker A:If all of us were to meet an alien today, if the alien looks a lot like human, but maybe just has some freaky eyes or ears like Spock, we might go, okay, cool, that's an alien.
Speaker A:Okay, I can handle this.
Speaker A:But if I present an alien to you that's eight feet tall, looks like a friggin gigantic muscular lizard, and I tell you that mofo is not only psychopathic, he is a genetic genius.
Speaker A:He has traveled here across the galaxy, meaning he's far more brilliant than you and me.
Speaker A:He's telepathically talking to you and he can friggin control you.
Speaker A:He can also enter your body and take your soul out.
Speaker A:Then it becomes.
Speaker A:Oh my God.
Speaker A:That's a whole lot.
Speaker A:I'm telling you.
Speaker A:Try to picture the worst of the worst.
Speaker A:The malevolent thugs of the multiverse are known as the Draco Reptilian.
Speaker A:I want to tell you something else about the Reptilians.
Speaker A:Just remember, like with humans, we have a faction, let's say the Nazis, that we could say is maybe not the best representation of humanity, right?
Speaker A:We all try to do the right thing, but we have a faction that might be rough.
Speaker A:All right, so of the Reptilian species in the multiverse, there are probably thousands of them.
Speaker A:Some have been here on the planet, super peaceful, they want humanity to thrive, etc.
Speaker A:Etc.
Speaker A:They are not the Draco Reptilians.
Speaker A:I just want to ensure that people understand that it's only the Draco of the Reptilian species that are known as the Thugs.
Speaker B:So before we, we go into the Reptilians, the aliens, the manipulation and who's controlling us, Because I definitely want to go there because there's something that I've been, I've been into for a long time.
Speaker B:I want to go briefly back to your time around Desert Storm and the fighter pilot stuff.
Speaker B:So over the last couple of years they've had the US Congressional hearings and they've had the fighter pilots like Commander fr.
Speaker B:You've also had Ryan, Ryan Graves come on and talk about their experiences.
Speaker B:So again, I don't know how much you can say and that's absolutely cool, but you talked about these advanced systems that you've got and they're able to basically give you the full picture of what you're seeing when you can't see anything and I mean, God knows how many hundred miles an hour during mountains and stuff.
Speaker B:That must be interesting to say the least, to have full faith in technology.
Speaker B: , because we're talking what,: Speaker B:So is around what, 35 years ago now, which is mad.
Speaker B:Did your sensors pick up stuff that you physically couldn't see?
Speaker B:Whether that be during Desert Storm or practice?
Speaker B:Like Ryan Graves said, they had the, the systems upgrades on their, their fighter, fighter jets and then all of a sudden they were able to spot these objects that they couldn't see before.
Speaker B:Were you party to any of that kind of experience whilst training theater of war wherever you were stationed?
Speaker B:Is that something that happened to you?
Speaker A:So the answer for me is no.
Speaker A:But I will speak to your UAP encounters.
Speaker A:That, and I'm familiar with everything that you're talking about there.
Speaker A:I will give, I will give you a hint that never in a military jet would you have footage that's that, is that blurred.
Speaker A:So when you're watching those UAPs, you notice they're not clear.
Speaker A:I can promise you those were altered.
Speaker A:Those videos that you got to see were altered before they were released to the public.
Speaker A: A jet in: Speaker A:So what I'm hinting at is not only were you fed that information, it was accurate.
Speaker A:That's a real UAP that you are seeing.
Speaker A:I'm just telling you that the folks, and I call them the Cabal, above the American government, above the British government, above all governments.
Speaker A:This is a very small elitist group who have literally manipulated and control the planet.
Speaker A:Think Royal family, they're involved at the very, very top, have manipulated and controlled world events for 70 years.
Speaker A:That's the group.
Speaker A:And again, I'll just call them the Cabal.
Speaker A:That has been dealing in alien traded technologies.
Speaker A:And what I'm getting at is they play both sides of the fence.
Speaker A:Why?
Speaker A:To keep you spinning.
Speaker A:So just look at it.
Speaker A:Remember how excited everybody was when the UAP stuff started talking, oh, Congress is going to talk about, oh, we're going to get disclosure.
Speaker A:And then what happens?
Speaker A:Three years later, you don't even know what happened.
Speaker A:You never got to see any clear footage.
Speaker A:You never really got any more details.
Speaker A:Welcome to the mind control.
Speaker A:How well it's played since the 40s.
Speaker A:I'm just telling you that everything that you're seeing on cnn, all the stuff you're looking for, congressional disclosure, that's all a spin for you to go away from this.
Speaker A:And this is where I'll get a little woo woo for you as a former combat pilot, what's going to occur in the next couple of years?
Speaker A: By: Speaker A:But what I want to get at is get out of going outside of yourself to figure this out.
Speaker A:Your superpower is here, your heart quit.
Speaker A:Starting from here.
Speaker A:This is something I had to learn.
Speaker A:The alien races that are now here, that are around us, that are watching this unfold, the reason I'm on your show is to let you know, start from here, open this thing up, you have all the information that you need is going to be here.
Speaker A:Let your brain be the decoder of your heart.
Speaker A:Even when you're vetting people, when you're watching something, if it doesn't feel right from your heart, it's probably spin.
Speaker A:And I just wanted to clear that up that all the UAP stuff is spin.
Speaker A:It's to keep you just without having real information.
Speaker A:It's to keep you kind of in the mess, so to speak, of not having any verified anything.
Speaker A:And they will continue to do that all the way up until a particular event that I believe is coming pretty quickly here, which is exciting.
Speaker C:So we'll, we'll circle back around to this.
Speaker C:But I just wanted to ask with this kind of the, the, the bigger the cabal people that are controlling everything, right?
Speaker C:You're back in, in Desert Storm in Iraq and yours kind of these cogs start to turn me thinking this isn't what's actually happening.
Speaker C:Did it ever make you sort of question your role and what you were being asked to do?
Speaker C:I was thinking I maybe imagine the right thing or is what this truth?
Speaker C:Did you ever question your, your kind of what you were being told today?
Speaker A:Well, certainly, I think you know Any person who's in the military, especially if you're watching CNN and they're, you know, saying, oh, you're.
Speaker A:You're going after Saddam Hussein's nuclear weapons.
Speaker A:But I'm reading the top secret traffic.
Speaker A:There's nothing to do with nuclear weapons in the top secret traffic.
Speaker A:We're not bombing sites being told in advance that may be a nuclear site.
Speaker A: to do with nuclear weapons in: Speaker A:So I'm realizing in that moment, like, all right, I have a job to do as an attack pilot.
Speaker A:I'm going to do the job to the best of my ability.
Speaker A:I know that nobody here has any idea what's really going on.
Speaker A:We're just doing our jobs.
Speaker A:And that's what you're paid to do.
Speaker A:That's what you've got to do.
Speaker A:And I'm all for signing up for something to go, and this is what I'm going to do.
Speaker A:Even if I get partway through and I realize, okay, something's not quite right here, but I'm.
Speaker A:I'm going to do what I said I was going to do, and then I'll get out.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:I can promise you that.
Speaker A:Anybody in war, especially when you're.
Speaker A:Especially when you have the firepower.
Speaker A: bases all around Baghdad, in: Speaker A:Just think about that.
Speaker A:2,000 aircraft over Iraq with nothing to stop us except some SAMs and some ground fire.
Speaker A:We had destroyed all their radar, all their AWACs, all their fighters within the first 30 minutes, like they were.
Speaker A:It was over in 30 minutes on the first night, like January 11th.
Speaker A:They have nothing to stop us.
Speaker A:2,000 sorties of bombs, rockets, missiles, going downhill for 43 days.
Speaker A:You have a sense.
Speaker A:And if you guys have.
Speaker A:Look up, you know, I think the highway to Hell is what we call it, going to Basra, something like that.
Speaker A:And I think it was called the highway to Hell.
Speaker A:You know, it's.
Speaker A:It's basically a massacre.
Speaker A:But, you know, those forces were coming south toward Basra.
Speaker A:They were a line of jeeps and tanks and artillery and everything else, you know, maybe a thousand yards wide moving south, and it was like 20 miles long.
Speaker A:Well, obviously, once we take out the first line, everybody's stopped, and then it's just.
Speaker A:They're just being bombed, right?
Speaker A:So, yes, you.
Speaker A:You kind of go, all right, well, these are just, you know, conscripts who are 20 years old, and they're gonna, they're gonna die tonight.
Speaker A:That's it.
Speaker A:It's over.
Speaker A:Like, this is, this is a big graveyard.
Speaker A:But that's part of war.
Speaker A:It's the awful part.
Speaker A:But you still have to do your job.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:They're still shooting stuff at you.
Speaker A:I mean, my roommate got shot down, guys got shot down.
Speaker A:So I don't, I don't want to make it that it's without return fire.
Speaker A:I'm just saying that they're hosing off guns at any sound.
Speaker A:They can't visually see us, except if for the jets that we're flying in the daytime.
Speaker A:And we lost quite a few jets.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And military aircraft and we lost personnel as well.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:But overall, yes to your question, Ash, you certainly have a, a part of you that goes, God, is this the right thing?
Speaker A:But you know, you're, you're trying to support your particular squadron that you're with and you don't want to be, you know, you just want to do your job.
Speaker A:So that's what I was trying to do.
Speaker B:So what you mentioned that you were, you were coming back, you're watching cnn, you were seeing a different narrative to what seemed to be playing out.
Speaker B:What did you, at that point?
Speaker B:What did you think your mission was actually trying to accomplish?
Speaker B:So why, why did you.
Speaker B:Apart from these weapons of mass destructions which didn't apparently exist anyway.
Speaker B:And we locally to where I am, weirdly, one of the guys, one of the main guys there was a government, I can't think of the word now advisor, Dr. David Kelly in the UK.
Speaker B:He went missing and was found.
Speaker B:His body was found literally just around the corner from where I am now with.
Speaker B:Which is odd with self inflicted wounds apparently, but nothing added up.
Speaker B:But he was held as a scapegoat for the UK side of going into war with, with Saddam.
Speaker B:And Dr. David Kelly was the government advisor for Tony Blair, the UK Prime Minister at the time.
Speaker A:Right, right.
Speaker B:Who said that Saddam has got weapons of mass destruction.
Speaker B:So that's when the UK side.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker B:And they used him as a scapegoat after it came out about the fact that there was no weapons of mass destruction.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:And he was found locally.
Speaker B:And I personally aware of a police officer who wasn't on.
Speaker B:He wasn't part of the investigation, but was senior enough that he was aware of what was going on, that the injuries that he was.
Speaker B:Dr. David Kelly was found with were not consistent with him unaliving himself.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:We call that death by suicide.
Speaker B:Yeah, he was suicided for definite.
Speaker B:Right, right.
Speaker B:But to the pre in the press now, he, his body was found and he'd committed suicide, but he was the guy that they put it on, basically.
Speaker B:So to get back to my, my question again is what do you think if you, if you're aware, what were your thoughts going into this after you're seeing the different narrative as to what you were doing there and why you were there, Right.
Speaker A:So in the moment, you know, let's just say that on night one, I'm, I'm told to go bomb a basically a big, a big Iraqi base that supposedly has an armory down low and that there were chemical weapons, that type of thing perhaps on the base.
Speaker A:So I go with my bombardier navigator on a midnight flight, we, we drop some bombs on that base and the entire base explodes.
Speaker A:And it turns out that, you know, it's not only an armory with all kinds of, you know, it's conventional weapons like bombs, rockets.
Speaker A: if you guys remember, but in: Speaker A:We've hit every oil well there is, right?
Speaker A:So there's black smoke everywhere.
Speaker A:You've got chemical weapons being, you know, obviously we find out later that the Iraqis are using chemical weapons and it not only affected the Americans, but obviously their own people.
Speaker A:But I guess to answer your question, Greg, in the moment, you know, I am flying, I see surface to air missiles coming up at my jet.
Speaker A:I know other people have been shot down.
Speaker A:I'm just thinking in the moment, like, how do I survive the next minute?
Speaker A:And I, you know, we dropped some bombs in this base thinking we're just going to hit one of the buildings and all of a sudden the entire base explodes and we're like, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Speaker A:And it's just going bigger and bigger and bigger because it's exploding below ground, right?
Speaker A:So what goes through my mind in that moment is, okay, I'm turning off target, I'm looking for surface to air missiles, I want to get home.
Speaker A:But I'm also realizing, okay, well there was a lot more at that particular base than we were expecting.
Speaker A:So in my mind it's just conventional warfare stuff's being fired at me.
Speaker A:I'm trying to take out who's firing at me.
Speaker A:I know we've got seals and British SAS on the ground up there in harm's way, trying to call us in.
Speaker A:Like they're the ones, those are the, what I call the badasses.
Speaker A:SAS, Navy SEALs, you know, special forces of all services from all NATO.
Speaker A:Those guys are friggin up there in the stuff with the smoke and the chemical.
Speaker A:And I, my job is I want to save those dudes, right?
Speaker A:Like I want this to end so those dudes get out.
Speaker A:Because in my opinion that's who's kicking ass, right?
Speaker A:Like I can fly in my air conditioned jet and come down and bomb something and I'm most likely going to get away.
Speaker A:But those guys might not and a lot of them don't.
Speaker A:And a lot of them, like if you saw Soul Survivor, you know, they're willing to call in an airstrike right on their own position to save one guy that may get away.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So I always look at it like, well, you know, we always talk about, in the Marines, as a pilot you are there to support ground force marines.
Speaker A:But in this case there were no ground force marines in the area.
Speaker A:But there were SAS, Navy SEALs, forward air controllers, they're called forward air controllers in the military for the US it's basically a dude who has snuck through enemy lines and said, I'm gonna put a pepper on this target over here.
Speaker A:It's a building.
Speaker A:Any air, any air power come in and take this pepper and we'll track that Pipper and we'll find it and we'll destroy whatever that dude is holding his pepper on.
Speaker A:So you're just like, I'll do anything to help that and then I'm getting out.
Speaker A:So to answer your question, Greg, it's a roundabout question, but I'm only concerned with getting back to the base right alive.
Speaker A:And then the next mission might be you're going to bomb a line of tanks that is now coming south.
Speaker A:So to me it was just like conventional warfare.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I'm there to stop Saddam Hussein's forces from coming into Kuwait.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So that, that's the answer to your question is I just look at it like, okay, whatever is going on with cnn, it's not nuclear.
Speaker A:Whatever's going on with the top secret traffic has nothing to do with what I'm doing.
Speaker A:But what I am doing seems to be stopping conventional forces from coming south.
Speaker A:I'm down with that.
Speaker A:They're shooting stuff at me.
Speaker A:Screw them, I'm bombing.
Speaker A:Yeah, that was my, that was, you know, it's just survival following.
Speaker B:So now you sort of get out and you, you started looking into and going down the rabbit hole of the Cabal, we'll call them the Cabal.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker B:And all the deception, the manipulation of information.
Speaker B:What do you think was the reason for the weapons of mass destruction story?
Speaker B:Why were we going into Iraq.
Speaker B:Why were we trying to stop Saddam?
Speaker B:Because I know anybody of a certain age will know, like the Desert Storm thing and, and whatnot.
Speaker B:But I just wonder what, why they.
Speaker B:These people or the.
Speaker B:These entities that are controlling us and controlling information and controlling what's happening.
Speaker B:What, what was the purpose of Desert Storm for that part of their.
Speaker B:And their narrative?
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Good question.
Speaker A:So I think it was two.
Speaker A:A twofold thing.
Speaker A:One is the Cabal wanted the alien traded technologies that, that of all people, Sodom had in his museum.
Speaker A:Now, I have to distinguish.
Speaker A:Generally, an alien traded technology is when humans, the cabal meets with an alien group and says, look, if you'll give us a, we'll give you humans or whatever you want.
Speaker A:Generally, it's humans.
Speaker A:And I'll.
Speaker A:More of that dark topic you can read about in the book.
Speaker A:But Saddam Hussein was known to have literally ancient alien artifacts that had been found and brought to him.
Speaker A:And I believe one part of the twofold reason for the Iraq war is the Cabal wanted to get in there.
Speaker A:But Saddam Hussein is kind of.
Speaker A:He was lethal from the standpoint of protecting that stuff.
Speaker A:It was difficult to get in there to recover that stuff.
Speaker A:But if, but if the Cabal could start a war and get ground forces in there.
Speaker A:So that's number one.
Speaker A:And we didn't even take that thing that, whatever it was, museum and to find all these artifacts till, you remember we went for round two with, with Fallujah and all that.
Speaker A:That's where ground forces went in.
Speaker A:But the second part of your question, Greg, about why we would have gone in, the Cabal literally can create that.
Speaker A:Just like 9, 11, just like the MH370 thing that I'll talk about later, The Cabal can literally twist things to get what they want.
Speaker A:The other thing that they wanted that I understand was to establish that we could go anywhere and take anything from anybody if we wanted to.
Speaker A:So, you know, prior to that, we hadn't gone into Afghanistan, we hadn't gone into, say, Iraq, we hadn't gone into Iran.
Speaker A:And because we're so far away, my sense was the Cabal wanted to establish, we just want you all to know over here that we are capable of taking any country we want.
Speaker A:And what that does for the Cabal is if through back channels, they threaten a country, even Israel, that they want something from now you're going to sit up and take notice because you realize, oh, America will come into Iraq knowing there's no nuclear weapons.
Speaker A:They'll just come in and they'll bring NATO with them, who's really running that is the cabal.
Speaker A:So if you're Iraq, if you're Iran, if you're Afghanistan, if you are Hamas, right, you, you're going to think twice about doing certain things, including Israel.
Speaker A:Like we don't always, you know, I won't get into the Israel, Arab thing.
Speaker A:I will just say I like, I like both sides equally and I don't like what's going on at all.
Speaker A:I like both sides equally.
Speaker A:But I will tell you this.
Speaker A:Obviously one side has not only technologies, but alien traded technologies that sometimes pisses off the cabal because they trade on their own.
Speaker A:And they need to understand that at the end of the day, yes, we will hammer anyone, meaning the cabal will hammer anyone that gets in their way.
Speaker A:As far as alien traded technologies, that's how powerful the alien traded technologies are, are.
Speaker A:And you'll learn more about that in hush.
Speaker A:As far as the reason the blue bloods will literally, they don't care about losses.
Speaker A:If it means getting alien traded technologies, they could care less about humanity.
Speaker A:It's that bad.
Speaker C:So obviously a lot of the stuff that you sort of just mentioned, even that past couple of minutes, a lot of people probably have quite a hard time kind of believe in this sort of stuff.
Speaker C:And that obviously comes down to psychological aspects of things, the mind control sort of stuff.
Speaker C:Why do you think that people are quite easily controlled?
Speaker C:What is it that makes the general public as a whole this easy to control?
Speaker C:Do you think.
Speaker A:So?
Speaker A:Okay, so it's a good question.
Speaker A:And I'm saying I'm going to ask you.
Speaker A:You're saying why is it so easy to control or why would they want to control us?
Speaker A:What is your exact why is it so easy?
Speaker C:Could we see it on a small scale where there'd be a Facebook post by a certain newspaper and everyone blindly believes that without even believing the headline, without even reading the article, stuff like that, people just tend to just believe what they're told.
Speaker C:I guess we guess maybe that maybe.
Speaker C:Answers question a little bit is that people don't really look into things too much.
Speaker C:I guess the question is why are people so easy to control people?
Speaker C:Why people so blindly willing to believe what they've been told?
Speaker C:Basically.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So to answer that, a lot of that has to do with feeling safe in the universe, right?
Speaker A:So you want to believe that what you're reading about on the news or what you're listening to on the news regarding what the newscasters say about good people and bad people, you want to believe that that's the real story because it makes you feel safe.
Speaker A:You don't want to read that your prime minister has done something behind the scenes that makes you feel unsafe.
Speaker A:So to answer the question of why is it easy that to mind control people from the standpoint of they'll just read something and not research it and just believe it?
Speaker A:Because I would say the majority of humanity, we all want to feel safe, and especially people who don't have time to research anything.
Speaker A:They've got a hard job, they work hard, they've got kids, they're tired.
Speaker A:They want to look at the news and roughly feel like, all right.
Speaker A:Our politicians are kind of trying to do the right thing.
Speaker A:And it's not perfect, but I'm going with it.
Speaker A:That's to me what I want.
Speaker A:I want, you know, I want to believe my government, your government, all governments are trying to do the right thing.
Speaker A:Do they always know, do I still love my government?
Speaker A:I do.
Speaker A:I want to believe that the heart of my government and the heart of the British government is good.
Speaker A:When I do my research, I realize parts of all of our governments work for the cabal.
Speaker A:There are mouthpieces for the cabal, within the government, within my government, your government, all governments who say the right things to twist and manipulate and control us.
Speaker A:And that's where it gets hard for me.
Speaker A:But, but to answer your question, yes, most people just want to feel safe.
Speaker A:They don't want to look any deeper.
Speaker A:They just want to be told that everything's all right.
Speaker A:And to me, that's kind of humanity in general, including me.
Speaker A:I. I want somebody to tell me the truth and that, okay, the good person is here and the bad person is here, but that's not the way it really is.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:We learn that.
Speaker A:But, but most people don't want to go there.
Speaker A:They've got a, you know, they've got a full life, they've got kids.
Speaker A:They just need a break.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker C:I mean, and from, I guess from like a, maybe a military or intelligence standpoint, in terms of kind of this control narrative, what do you think is more effective?
Speaker C:Is it silencing information or discrediting information?
Speaker C:You mentioned about, like with favor.
Speaker C:And Graves needs this disclosure that's happening.
Speaker C:Disclosure in speech bubbles, is it better to discredit putting face out there and be able to discredit it or to more stay silent or what's what.
Speaker C:What's in your experience sort of the best way to, to control people?
Speaker A:Okay, so.
Speaker A:So I'm going to kind of flip this on you, Ash.
Speaker A:It's not important for you to spin on what's the best way to control people.
Speaker A:Is it going to serve you to know that answer?
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:What will serve you that I can tell you is if you're watching cnn, you're being spun.
Speaker A:And if you're watching somebody who's saying there's aliens and then you're watching the next person who's saying there's no such thing as aliens, you're being spun.
Speaker A:The mind control that's occurring to you and and to all of us has a lot to do.
Speaker A:And the end the cabal plays both sides.
Speaker A:Remember, they want to keep you in the male you of not looking here because your superpower what's about to arrive.
Speaker A:Humans are about to step into who we are, which is multi dimensional beings.
Speaker A: evolution is occurring now by: Speaker A:And I'm going to go a little woo on you, but I'm telling you from my sources, not only on the planet, but with addresses otherware, including in the planet.
Speaker A: What's going to occur by: Speaker A:And I'm telling you, turn your technology off tomorrow morning for five minutes, just five minutes.
Speaker A:Go inside, light your little piece of sage, block that space and protect it.
Speaker A:This is for you.
Speaker A:Let your heart open.
Speaker A:Don't, don't worry about monkey mind.
Speaker A:You're going to have that.
Speaker A:Just don't worry about it.
Speaker A:Open your heart, see what's there.
Speaker A:And I will promise you only five minutes a day.
Speaker A:Just block it out and protect it.
Speaker A:The molecular changes that will occur will literally change your path.
Speaker A:And the final thing I'll say about that is the ones that are trying to communicate with all humanity right now, communicate via this, not via this.
Speaker A:We came in as humans evolving on this planet with this, our superpower, love.
Speaker A:Not with this.
Speaker A:Let this be the extension of your heart.
Speaker A:So I flipped that question on you a little bit because is it better to mind control people with this or that?
Speaker A:That's not really important, right?
Speaker A:You could spin on that all day and there's no real answer to it.
Speaker A:What you do know positively is that there's mind control.
Speaker A:And if you're watching cnn, you're in mind control.
Speaker A:If you're watching Facebook for news, you're in mind control.
Speaker A:If you're watching Instagram, you're in mind control.
Speaker A:I'm saying turn it off.
Speaker A:Try just for five minutes a day.
Speaker A:Remember, we all sit on the toilet for five minutes a day.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:We can do this.
Speaker A:It's not that hard, right?
Speaker A:Five minutes, watch what happens.
Speaker B:I'm going to sage myself in the toilet later.
Speaker B:But on a serious note, sorry.
Speaker B:So we talk, and you talked about us becoming multi dimensional.
Speaker B:And it's something that me and Ash, over the years, because we, We've just.
Speaker B:We're just coming in.
Speaker B:We're on our sixth year of the podcast.
Speaker B:We've just celebrated five years.
Speaker A:Congratulations.
Speaker B:Thank you.
Speaker B:And we've talked about, certainly recent years about interdimensional beings and such like, who or what are these objects that we are seeing?
Speaker B:So the military pilots are seeing them.
Speaker B:You.
Speaker B:You suggested that you hadn't seen anything yourself.
Speaker B:I wonder if any of your colleagues had seen anything.
Speaker B:But what do you think they are?
Speaker B:Or what do you understand them to be?
Speaker B:And where are they from?
Speaker B:What are they?
Speaker A:Okay, so.
Speaker A:And remember, you asked me if I saw anything in the war.
Speaker A:But I will tell you this.
Speaker A:When I was in my senior year of high school, my one and only UFO encounter, I was watching the Seattle skyline from about 20 miles away.
Speaker A:I lived just outside of Seattle, so I had a.
Speaker A:Just a total skyline view, like 20 miles across the city.
Speaker A:I was listening to a rock radio station.
Speaker A: y senior year in High School,: Speaker A:And I'm seeing this light dance across the Seattle skyline.
Speaker A:Way too fast, right angle turns, just traveling way too fast.
Speaker A:And I knew every aircraft in our inventory because I was already a private pilot by the time I was a senior in high school, right?
Speaker A:I was just into aviation.
Speaker A:I knew everything related.
Speaker A:I knew aerodynamics and blah, blah, blah.
Speaker A:I was just into it.
Speaker A:It was my thing.
Speaker A:And I knew that the thing on top of the city at that moment was not from Earth.
Speaker A:I. I just knew it.
Speaker A:And the next thing I know, I'm thinking, am I the only person seeing this?
Speaker A:Okay, I'm going to call in.
Speaker A:And what was great was right then Steve Slayton, who was the big DJ at the time for KISR Radio in Seattle, the big rock station.
Speaker A:He's like, okay, music off.
Speaker A:We are being deluged with phone calls.
Speaker A:People are saying there's something over the city.
Speaker A:And I was like, so that was my big first sighting of something otherworldly.
Speaker A:Uap, it doesn't matter.
Speaker A:But to answer your question, Greg, what are the UAPs?
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:So let's think multiple levels here.
Speaker A:There are literally, as with on Earth, thousands of.
Speaker A:Of factions and races on the planet, right?
Speaker A:Any one of those races can come to America and be on a motorcycle or driving or this, and they can do a run by of your house.
Speaker A:And you're like, that was a dude on a motorcycle, but that dude was from somewhere else.
Speaker A:And then the next day it's a woman going by and she's from somewhere else.
Speaker A:And I'm just saying take it to the, just, just to the galaxy level.
Speaker A:You're talking about thousands of advanced races.
Speaker A:And this leads, this leads to a much bigger picture.
Speaker A:I told you guys I was going to give you both barrels.
Speaker A:I will tell you this.
Speaker A:There are literally hundreds of races around you right now, benevolent and malevolent, that are here, have been here from before we evolved on the planet Earth is literally considered a Disney world of the galaxy.
Speaker A:And you can talk to any of the secret space program personnel.
Speaker A:There's many interviews online from across the world.
Speaker A:Jean Charles, Moy in Rebecca Rose, Tony Rodrigues, Randy Kramer, Corey Goode, the list.
Speaker A:There's so many now coming forward that have been out in space working for the Cabal.
Speaker A:Not for the British, the Americans.
Speaker A:They may be in the American secret space force.
Speaker A:The Navy secret space program.
Speaker A:Trust me, it's all run by the Cabal.
Speaker A:It's not the US Navy.
Speaker A:I mean they do now run it.
Speaker A:I don't want to get into the details of that.
Speaker A:You can read more about it.
Speaker A:But what I'm saying is what's around you, what's in the planet Honeycombed, what's in the moon, it's not what you think it is.
Speaker A:Every planet, every planet around you is habit.
Speaker A:There's.
Speaker A:There's life throughout our galaxy, throughout the multiverse, and they're within us now, meaning they walk amongst you.
Speaker A:And the reason they're not revealing themselves in this moment is just because the chaos that it would occur.
Speaker A:But that time is coming quickly now for a number of reasons.
Speaker A:We are being welcomed into the galactic community.
Speaker A:It's coming fast.
Speaker A:So to answer your UAP question, some of it is most likely military aircraft that are anti gravity, that have been now been developed that they may be working on.
Speaker A:Some of it is alien races who can do whatever the hell they want.
Speaker A:They can be cloaked and uncloaked.
Speaker A:We have that technology.
Speaker A:We've been flying the TR3B since the mid-70s.
Speaker A:Built by Lockheed Martin, delivered by Northrop Grumman.
Speaker A:It flies daily out of McCord to the lunar Operations Command on the backside of the moon.
Speaker A:Talk to any secret space program personnel.
Speaker A:They're like, we're all brought back to the Lunar Operations Command before we're age regressed and before we're mind wiped.
Speaker A:That mind wipe technology is now glitching across the world, People are coming forward, going, I, I had this other life.
Speaker A:And all of their stories overlap.
Speaker A:The same alien races, the same spaceports, the same ships.
Speaker A:They're all working.
Speaker A:They didn't know each other in the secret space programs.
Speaker A:But what I'm trying to say back to the UAP thing is on any given night, if there are cloaked ships around you, if for whatever reasons they uncloak for their own particular reason, and a UAP is seen, I can't positively say that's a Venusian ship or that's a Draco reptilianship unless it's triangular and black.
Speaker A:That's a TR3B, which is triangular and black, but very small and not a living conveyance, meaning the ship's not alive like some of the ancient alien races think.
Speaker A:Years evolved, like thousands of years evolved beyond our technology.
Speaker A:They have the capability to come here and do stuff and have been here before we evolved.
Speaker A:So to answer your question, Greg, it could be anyone.
Speaker A:But I'm telling you, the bigger question and the bigger fun for both of you is what in the hell is happening Overall?
Speaker A:Not just UAPs, but what's occurring with the planet?
Speaker A:The vibrational frequency of the planet rising, it's literally like cars going by on the highway.
Speaker A:And then you suddenly see a Tesla or you see a Lamborghini and you think, oh, that's different.
Speaker A:Yes, it is different.
Speaker A:A UAP is anti gravity, generally.
Speaker A:And even the American, even the British ships can cloak themselves.
Speaker A:That technology has been there literally traded for through the Cabal since the late 60s.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:So to answer your question, it could be anything.
Speaker A:But keep your eye on the bigger prize of what's coming.
Speaker A:What's happening right now is some amazing stuff coming right now.
Speaker C: that's going to be coming by: Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker A:And there's, I will tell you this, there's absolutely nothing to fear.
Speaker A:This is literally us being welcomed into the galactic community.
Speaker A:For whatever reasons, humanity has jumped far ahead technologically.
Speaker A:It has a lot to do with the Cabal, where the alien races who will not break the Prime Directive.
Speaker A:So you remember, the Prime Directive is we will not go to a planet where there's a primitive race than humans and evolve them faster than their natural evolution.
Speaker A:That is the Prime Directive.
Speaker A:All alien races, malevolent and benevolent in the multiverse, have to sign that agreement.
Speaker A:However, if you're a malevolent alien mafia thug, Draco Reptilian, you're Willing to break that because you want certain things.
Speaker A:Not a problem if you're a Gray.
Speaker A:If you're a Mitra, you might break the Prime Directive and make contact with humans.
Speaker A: like in the Greater Treaty of: Speaker A:So now we're getting into the history of it, but I'm coming back to what is, you know, the general contact event that's coming.
Speaker A:To make it super concise, we have gotten to the point that the bad guys are now on the run, the ones that have been breaking the Prime Directive.
Speaker A:A number of events have occurred.
Speaker A:And to give you a hint, Draco Reptilians who reside in the lower fourth density, meaning we're in the third density.
Speaker A:We can see each other, we can participate.
Speaker A:There's a space in the third density that we're operating in right now.
Speaker A:But as you know, Nordics can come out of the seventh density and appear before us.
Speaker A:They have that technology.
Speaker A:Draco Reptilian can come out of the lower fourth density if they wanted to, and appear to us.
Speaker A:What's occurring with the planet?
Speaker A:With the rising of a frequency and this.
Speaker A:There's a bigger picture to this, but I'll just say that the frequency of our planet, of Sophia, or Gaia, whatever you want to call her, she's rising and we're going with her.
Speaker A:It's like the mother bear taking the cubs.
Speaker A:What that's doing is it's literally physically forcing the Draco Reptilians and the other malevolent energies who work in.
Speaker A:In a.
Speaker A:In a.
Speaker A:In a malevolent realm is all I'll say.
Speaker A:They can't physically stay on the planet.
Speaker A:A lot of those entities are who have infiltrated the cabal that controls the planet.
Speaker A:So even the blue bloods of England, King and queen, may be reptilians.
Speaker A:They physically can't stay on the planet.
Speaker A: As this is occurring by: Speaker A: been talked about since about: Speaker A:And what's going to happen?
Speaker A:They're good.
Speaker A:They're then going to re cloak.
Speaker A:Why would they do that?
Speaker A:What do humans do when that occurs?
Speaker A:You get On a podcast.
Speaker A:And you go, you guys, I know you're not going to believe this, but over Oxford There were six ships.
Speaker A:We just saw him yesterday for 30 minutes.
Speaker A:And then Manchester people are going to be like, no, we saw them right here in Manchester.
Speaker A:And then you're going to realize that it was worldwide.
Speaker A:It was worldwide for 30 minutes.
Speaker A:What do humans do?
Speaker A:They talk about it.
Speaker A:What does that do for all of us?
Speaker A:It makes us pump the brakes and go, okay, I guess there's aliens here.
Speaker A:We now have to start to digest that, right?
Speaker A:And three days later, maybe we have another 30 minute sighting.
Speaker A:Well, now the whole world's talking about, including the religious groups who are trying not to freak out.
Speaker A:And then finally we're going to have a landing where beings will come out of the ships.
Speaker A:Will those beings have the technology to make you feel good if you are near the ship?
Speaker A:Yes, they will.
Speaker A:I'm saying use your heart before you go with them.
Speaker A:If they say, hey, if you want to come with us, we can take you to a planet where you won't have all this chaos like on CNN and all this hatred and gunfire and you know, this violent thing that humans are.
Speaker A:And you can go, yeah, I'm just saying before you make any choices, use your heart.
Speaker A:They may not be in your best interests, meaning it may be a human harvest of the people who are now on the run, the malevolent groups on the run trying to get grab as many humans as they can as their last ditch operation.
Speaker A:But the good news is this is your superpower as we step into who we are, and it's coming.
Speaker A:All the, all the, all the alien races, malevolent and benevolent, will flat out tell you humans are royalty.
Speaker A:It's not, it's not because of our technology, because obviously alien races have much more technology than us.
Speaker A:It's because of our potential.
Speaker A:When we bring love, it's literally unstoppable in the universe.
Speaker A:Our space force now fights, goes through training to bring up their love.
Speaker A:Before they pursue a group, say that draco, reptilian on a particular planet, they will literally arrive like, we're bringing love.
Speaker A:But if you want to mess with this, we'll take you down.
Speaker A:And they literally have groups surrendering to them because they, because frequency is in.
Speaker A:All alien groups that are advanced, they kind of work on frequency like, okay, these guys are coming with something we don't have.
Speaker A:Maybe we just want to just chill.
Speaker A:All of this is coming in roughly 20, 27, all of us humans.
Speaker A:There's no hierarchy here.
Speaker A:I'm not above any of you.
Speaker A:Nobody else is.
Speaker A: inside, watch what happens by: Speaker A:It's going to get a little rough before everything settles down, but we will all be fine.
Speaker A:We're being welcomed to the galactic community.
Speaker A:It's a pretty amazing time to be alive, so.
Speaker B:Well, I'm definitely looking forward to it.
Speaker B:I'll tell you what, that sounds a bit more interesting than everything that's been going on the last couple of years on this planet.
Speaker B:So Ash mentioned and, and you did, Michael, about disclosure.
Speaker B:We do it in air quotes, right.
Speaker B: rything that's happened since: Speaker B: his part of the disclosure of: Speaker B:It's just going to happen.
Speaker A:So really good question.
Speaker A:So remember, disclosure is an individual experience for each one of us.
Speaker A:For you learning about something Bob Lazar says, and I love that guy, he's put up with a lot and he's the real deal.
Speaker B:Foreign.
Speaker A:It's going to be different for you, Greg, or different for you, Ash.
Speaker A:Disclosure is.
Speaker A:But I'll tell you this, there is not going to be, you know, congressperson coming forward and going, you know, on 3rd street right now we're opening the alien museum and we're going to let you now come in and see all the old alien ships that we've had forever that are thousands of years older than our technology and they're alive.
Speaker A:And you're going to see live and dead aliens in the museum.
Speaker A:And here we go.
Speaker A:So disclosure is you're not going to get that.
Speaker A:There's no agenda for companies like Lockheed Martin to suddenly step forward and go, hey, you know what, we've been kind of lying to you.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:We've been doing reverse engineering for 70 years on all these different alien traded technologies.
Speaker A:They don't have any agenda.
Speaker A:They are making trillions of dollars not only on this planet, on other planets via the cabal.
Speaker A:They're handed military contracts.
Speaker A:Our Congress people, they come and go every two years.
Speaker A:Our president come and goes every four years.
Speaker A:They don't know squat about what's been going on for over 70 years.
Speaker A:They have no idea all of the unacknowledged special Access programs that are handed to military contractors throughout the world, throughout the planet, who may be working on a small compartmentalized piece of an aircraft and that they know is going to space.
Speaker A:But they don't say anything because they're being paid well.
Speaker A:They're just told, hey, we want you to reverse engineer this little thing we got from somebody.
Speaker A:And they're like, well, what is this?
Speaker A:We're not going to tell you.
Speaker A:And you're going to keep your mouth shut.
Speaker A:And you do when you're being paid trillions.
Speaker A:That's the way it works, right?
Speaker A:So my point is about disclosure.
Speaker A:It has now come to the point where even the benevolent races are realizing, okay, humanity, for whatever reasons, is finally ready.
Speaker A:And some of it has to do, Greg, with what you said, which is, you know, we're now seeing it on Joe Rogan where people are coming forward and they're kind of saying, I've been involved with alien.
Speaker A:Traded stuff from hal.
Speaker A:Put off talking about it to Bob Lazar and everybody else.
Speaker A:But I'll tell you this, as much as you have this amazing podcast and you're asking all the right questions, the three of us are, you know, maybe we're 2 to 3% of the world population, right?
Speaker A:Billions, right?
Speaker A:What is it, 8 billion?
Speaker A:Remember that 65% of that is probably religious, right?
Speaker A:From east and west, it's probably religious.
Speaker A:They're not even going to hear a Joe Rogan show, right?
Speaker A:The point being is that because the welcoming is happening and coming, what's basically been agreed to is we'll have a contact event, we'll display ships throughout the world, and we will slowly kind of pulse it.
Speaker A:And then at some point, humanity will have talked enough to say, okay, we can have a landing now.
Speaker A:And pretty much overnight, people are going to go, all right, wow.
Speaker A:I guess there's anti gravity ships that don't make any noise, that can hover and cloak themselves.
Speaker A:And dang, it's not just American ships, it's British ships, it's Canadian, it's French, it's Brazilian ships.
Speaker A:It's also alien, or I should say ET ships.
Speaker A:The correct phrase is et.
Speaker A:We're not supposed to use alien.
Speaker A:I'm being reminded because that means apart.
Speaker A:It's ET's extraterrestrials, right?
Speaker A:So if I say it again, correct me, but if you think about it, it kind of makes sense.
Speaker A:There's been so much, what I call both the cabal playing both sides, but now the benevolent races are basically saying, everything is compressing now.
Speaker A:And that's why?
Speaker A: By: Speaker C:Yeah, I mean, I mean, I guess when you talk about like these ships appearing and then eventually landing and beings will come out and not to be like stereotypical, but countries like Russia and like America quite trigger happy, let's say, compared to like the uk, especially in terms of people can have guns and stuff in.
Speaker C:In the us There'd probably be a lot of people that would, let's just say, not take kindly to this, these ET appearing in front of them.
Speaker C:So is there a risk there of, let's say, fire or some type of reaction from like, sort of people that are a bit more trigger happy?
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:So I will tell you that certainly that's a consideration, and it's always going to be a consideration because you can't just have UFOs over a city without a little bit of a freak out.
Speaker A:But that's why they're going to do it in pulses.
Speaker A:They're going to allow humans to talk, they're going to allow the right folks to step forward.
Speaker A:Folks like you and me on podcast going, everybody relax.
Speaker A:If they wanted to shoot us or burn us or burn down our cities, do you think they could have already?
Speaker A:Yeah, right.
Speaker A:They had the technology to just arrive silently and cloaked, obviously, and then re cloaked when they left.
Speaker A:Do you think they could have destroyed our cities and the planet by now?
Speaker A:Certainly they could have.
Speaker A:So then that word goes around between humans on Facebook and everything else.
Speaker A:Every major platform is going, wait a minute, no.
Speaker A:If they wanted to harm us, they would have harmed us.
Speaker A:And then the next Pulse event is just something simple again and no shots are fired.
Speaker A:And if someone fires from the ground, maybe other humans are like, dude, don't you think that they could have hosed us down if they wanted to?
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker A:Can you put your gun down, bro?
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:There's going to be common sense that steps forward.
Speaker A:There just is.
Speaker A:And then there's going to be a landing and then, you know, individuals who may look kind of like you and me may evolve from the ships.
Speaker A:And I'm just saying at that point, no matter how murthy you feel like, oh, these are the gods returning, use this part and you'll be fine.
Speaker A:There'll be nothing to fear.
Speaker B:So much information and so much I want to ask.
Speaker B: idently about this contact in: Speaker A: clear, somewhere approaching: Speaker A:I'm not saying it can't occur next week.
Speaker A: ng between now and the end of: Speaker A:Benevolent.
Speaker B:What is your information?
Speaker B:I know you mentioned that there's different sources telling you or giving you this information.
Speaker B:What kind of sources are there?
Speaker B:Because there will be people listening to the podcast and to be sure, sure, we've got, we've got captive audience on disclosure, you bet.
Speaker B:People who listen to the podcast and that we interact with regularly online believe.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:I'm pretty, pretty sure that we don't have many.
Speaker B:We have skeptics obviously, and it's, it's healthy to be skeptic.
Speaker B:But ultimately a lot of our listeners are already invested in this.
Speaker B:They sure, they're aware of all the shit that's going down.
Speaker B:They're aware that we're not being told everything.
Speaker B:They're all aware of special access programs, all these kind of things people are for.
Speaker B:We, we've had past life regression.
Speaker B:We've had people claiming to be gateway wardens to, to heaven.
Speaker B:So we, we've, we have an audience of people that are fully invested in this and I think they would probably welcome this, this contact event or maybe not, depending on what, what, what entities are going to come out.
Speaker B:How well placed are your sources to give you that information to make you confident enough to say there is something going to be happening at some point shortly.
Speaker B:And I say yeah, next couple of years.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So I'm going to give you sources that are, for instance, you know, you've mentioned Bob Lazar.
Speaker A:I'm going to give you sources that you're listeners can go to right away and their message all the way.
Speaker A:So, so I'll just start with this.
Speaker A:Go to Gaia tv.
Speaker A:Watch, watch literally every episode of Cosmic Disclosure, whether you believe it or not.
Speaker A:When you get to Randy Kramer who is currently in the Marine Corps Special Service, meaning the Secret Space Force and has been all of his life when he's speaking about a contact event coming up.
Speaker A:When you get to the German in Cosmic Disclosure on Gaia who goes by we have got tactical Tim here, he is a German guy working for the German government who they bring him in to deal with interdimensional beings and grays and other species who the German government is in contact with.
Speaker A: ber those interviews are from: Speaker A:And I'm just saying if you listen and you can even listen at high speed, like once you hear the introduction of Randy Kramer, listen to him for two or three minutes so you kind of get a sense of him and then turn him up to 2, 2 times normal speed.
Speaker A:Because there's hours of him being interviewed, hours of Tactical Tim, hours.
Speaker A:Even David Adair talking about being on Area 51 in the 60s, dealing with the Nazis.
Speaker A:And then Randy Kramer is dealing with the Nazis on Mars.
Speaker A:And then Tactical Tim is talking about the Draco who are dealing with the Nazis who are dealing with it.
Speaker A:Once you start to go through cosmic disclosure, just that, I'm amazed how many people have never watched it.
Speaker A:Watch every interview, just put it on high speed drive, go work out, keep it on.
Speaker A:At various points in all those interviews, Tactical Tim will say, well as best we can tell, it looks like around.
Speaker A: saying six years from now, in: Speaker A:It looks like the compression is occurring now we're going to have a contact event.
Speaker A:And here's one of the main reasons why.
Speaker A:Let's say you run an aircraft carrier or British aircraft carrier, but let's just say you run it in space and what you've been doing to fill that carrier because you're.
Speaker A:The cabal is literally stealing individuals, cloning them where they don't know they've been cloned.
Speaker A:Using that person in space for 20 year tour on that spaceship, on that aircraft carrier, age regressing them at the Lunar Operations Command and mind wiping them.
Speaker A:They go back to their regular life and they don't even know.
Speaker A:They just start to have weird freaky dreams and they have eventually go to therapy because they, it becomes really difficult for them to realize they've, they've had this other life and it's so clear.
Speaker A:So if you're running that spaceship for the British Cabal in space, the British version of the Cabal in space, what do you need?
Speaker A:If you're going into constant battles or you're having to go out in space, you need personnel and you.
Speaker A:And it's come to the point now that the world is aware enough now that you just can't steal people forever and you don't have the personnel because you do a 20 and back and now you need more and you just can't steal people anymore.
Speaker A:There's too much technology around for people to go, okay, somebody, there's bad stuff happening.
Speaker A:So Even the Cabal realizes, all right, we are ranging so far out in space with all of these battle groups and I'll tell you, there's at least 16 battle groups that have been in space since the 60s that now they've got seats to fill.
Speaker A:We have bigger missions.
Speaker A:We are now human.
Speaker A:Humanity is now ranging so far out in space, our technology has evolved so much because of alien traded technologies being used in space and on the planet that now we need literally a draft of humanity, the entire world to say, all right guys, we're in space and anybody who would like to go to space, we're not going to tell you how we got there and that we've been there forever, but we need you.
Speaker A:Now does anyone want to go to space?
Speaker A: g reasons that it's coming by: Speaker A:We have needs and seats that have to be filled on your British aircraft carrier that's a mile long in space that's been out there for 20 years.
Speaker A:Yeah, common sense.
Speaker C:Yeah, no, definitely, definitely.
Speaker C:You make me think because we've got an interesting film coming up from Steven Spielberg later this year called Disclosure and obviously his films and historically have especially around the sort of UFO subject Close Encounters and ET have kind of add nods of truth in.
Speaker C:In them obviously dress as a fictional story, but there's a lot of truth in these films.
Speaker C:I'm guessing this clothes is going to be very, very similar to.
Speaker C:So that unlike your book Kosh, like.
Speaker C:Like I said earlier, there's a lot of things now which may be true, may have happened and it's kind of obviously portraying as a.
Speaker C:As.
Speaker C:As a thriller story.
Speaker C:So don't just kind of to finish off to wrap up tell us a bit about the book and where people can find that and kind of the motive behind.
Speaker C:Behind this book in particular.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker A:It's been a pleasure Greg and Ash to be on your show.
Speaker A:Certainly they can find the book@mdcleague.com all the links are there and the audible as well.
Speaker A:I will put out a punch for.
Speaker A:If you do read it or listen to it, please give us a review because my job is to kind of get this message out and it certainly helps in the Amazon algorithms if you give a review.
Speaker A:And the final thing I'll say is it is a very exciting future for all of us just ahead.
Speaker A:It's going to get a little rough.
Speaker A:Hang in there.
Speaker A:It's going to be really amazing.
Speaker C:Great message.
Speaker C:And yeah, thank you.
Speaker C:It's been kind of a podcast of two halves.
Speaker C:This, this one all down the.
Speaker C:On the military stuff and then we've gone with the, with the disclosures and the contact stuff.
Speaker C:But it's been.
Speaker C:Yeah, it's been great.
Speaker C:It's been really.
Speaker C:Thank you for sharing your.
Speaker C:Your experience and your thoughts on, on everything.
Speaker B:Yeah, thanks.
Speaker A:Been my honor.
Speaker B:I'm.
Speaker B:As soon as this finishes, I'm going straight on Amazon.
Speaker B:I'm gonna buy the book.
Speaker A:You might enjoy the.
Speaker A:You might enjoy the Audible, because I do, you know, all the British voices, so it's kind of fun too.
Speaker A:Plus you can ride your bike.
Speaker A:You can ride your bike while you're doing it.
Speaker B:Yeah, cool.
Speaker B:Cool.
Speaker B:I can't wait to read it now.
Speaker B:But yeah, thank you so much.
Speaker B: Happy: Speaker A:Anytime, you guys.
Speaker A:You guys know how to get a hold of me and I'd be happy to come back and.
Speaker A:And it's just gonna get more and more fun for all of us.
Speaker A:So hang in there and look forward to seeing you again.
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