Episode 358
Mr. Nobody or the Black Monk? Unravelling the Mystery of 30 East Drive
The haunting at 30 East Drive, a semi-detached council house in Pontefract, West Yorkshire, commenced shortly after the Pritchard family moved in during August 1966. This episode delves into the unsettling experiences the family encountered, attributed to an unseen force which they referred to as Fred, while media dubbed it Mr. Nobody. The narrative escalates with increasingly disturbing incidents, particularly focusing on the youngest child, Diane, who was allegedly dragged up the stairs by this malevolent entity, leaving her with visible marks. The notoriety of this case has rendered 30 East Drive one of the most renowned poltergeist hauntings in England, inspiring literature and various media adaptations, including the horror film "When the Lights Went Out." As we explore the timeline and complexities of this haunting, we invite you to join us in uncovering the mysteries that surround this infamous location.
Takeaways:
- The haunting at 30 East Drive in Pontefract began shortly after the Pritchard family moved in, with strange occurrences escalating quickly from minor disturbances to alarming physical manifestations.
- Over time, the haunting was associated with the legend of the Black Monk of Pontefract, a 16th-century figure said to have been executed for murder, which added a historical context to the family's experiences.
- Diane Pritchard, the youngest child, became the focus of the haunting, experiencing incidents such as being dragged up the stairs by an unseen force, leaving her with visible marks on her throat.
- The 30 East Drive case gained national attention, inspiring books, documentaries, and a horror film, culminating in the property becoming a popular destination for paranormal enthusiasts and investigations.
- Despite the compelling nature of the events, there are numerous inconsistencies and contradictions in the timeline of occurrences, leading to skepticism regarding the authenticity of the haunting.
- The current owner of 30 East Drive, Bill Bungay, has reported renewed paranormal activity since purchasing the house, suggesting that the location continues to be a site of interest for both believers and skeptics.
Transcript
Almost immediately strange incidents were being experienced by the family, believed to have been caused by an unseen force, which was first nicknamed Mr. Nobody by the press.
Speaker A:While the family referred to it as Fred, some later accounts link the activity to a darker local legend, the spirit of a 16th century monk, the so called black monk of Pontefract, who was reportedly executed for murder on or near the site.
Speaker B:Over time the activity became more intense with the haunting seeming to focus particularly on the youngest child, Diane.
Speaker B:In the most disturbing incident, Diane was allegedly grabbed by an unseen force and dragged up the stairs, leaving visible marks on her throat.
Speaker B:These claims made 30's drive one of the most famous poltergeist cases.
Speaker B: and inspiring a book and the: Speaker B: he activity quietened by late: Speaker B:Over the decades, the property stood largely empty, but it's now an attraction for ghost hunters and paranormal investigators.
Speaker B:In this episode of Pursuit of Paranormal, we're going to be DEEEPING Dive into 30 East Drive.
Speaker A:You're listening to Pursuit of the Paranormal podcast with your hosts Ash Ellis and Greg Tomlinson.
Speaker A:Hey Ash, how's it going?
Speaker B:Hey Greg.
Speaker B:Very, very, very well.
Speaker B:Very excited for what we got coming up in this episode and also in less than a week's time from when we're recording this.
Speaker A:I know, I can't wait.
Speaker A:I can't wait.
Speaker A:I've been there before.
Speaker A:The girls have been there.
Speaker B:Jealous.
Speaker A:But you haven't, have you?
Speaker B:Nope.
Speaker B:Even someone at my work's been there before and they're like, I have not been to 30 drivers.
Speaker B:Like I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go.
Speaker B:And now we are, we are going.
Speaker A:In a few days.
Speaker A:It's a bit like one of those attract, not I say attractions.
Speaker A:It's one of those bucket list items for a paranormal investigator is 30s drive.
Speaker A:Whether you believe anything happens there now or not.
Speaker A:I think it's one of those places, it's up there with like the ancient ramen 30s drive.
Speaker A:You've got these, these particular places in the UK that you just, people just go to.
Speaker B:And we are going there on our own pretty much.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Well, it's us and the girls want to investigate.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:And we private hired it next week.
Speaker B:So we were staying the night.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:To find out whether there's anything to it or not.
Speaker B:Once and for all, hopefully.
Speaker A:Now I've seen the lives that the girls have done and they've had some weird stuff and previous videos that they've done and they've had some weird stuff.
Speaker A:They've been a couple of times now.
Speaker A:But yeah, I've been before and I'll be honest, nothing groundbreaking happened for me.
Speaker A:Some weird bits, but nothing where I would hand on heart go.
Speaker A:That's poltergeist activity.
Speaker A:As you know, Pole guys activity is one of them things.
Speaker A:I'm really fascinated in Enfield being the massive one for me.
Speaker A:So to have an opportunity to go back to this location with you and also the girls and essentially the four of us having what can only be described as gonna be a wild night.
Speaker A:We had Priest Cottage and it all popped off at Priest Cottage once we got there.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:And on one of the.
Speaker A:I put a post up today on social media so you'll see when we've recorded this saying that when we go as a four or as a group of us, things seem to happen and.
Speaker B:The Priest coach stuff happens.
Speaker A:We got the laugh and that was horrid.
Speaker A:So I'm hoping for.
Speaker A:Yes, epic.
Speaker A:An epic night because you, you put it out.
Speaker A:It's interesting.
Speaker A:It's a very divisive location.
Speaker A:You put it out there and some people on, on like social media go really scary.
Speaker A:Loads happened.
Speaker A:And then somebody else will go, I went there, nothing happened.
Speaker A:So I think a combination of us going with the girls, who with their energy as well, I think we're in for a good night.
Speaker B:I've always been skeptical of 30's drive.
Speaker B:It's always been one of them where there has always been not stories.
Speaker B:There's a lot of inconsistencies in the story which, which we'll come on to in this episode.
Speaker B:There's a lot of questions, there's a lot of different reports and that, that contradict each other.
Speaker B:And like when, like when I mentioned Girl at Work Spin, I said, oh great.
Speaker B:I. I'd love to go.
Speaker B:But I was always like, I don't believe that one.
Speaker B:I don't, I don't really believe that one.
Speaker B:But now I'm actually going, that's putting all that aside because I've done this deep dive, so learned a lot more about it than I knew in doing the research, this episode.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then we'll be experiencing ourselves.
Speaker B:So that'll be.
Speaker B:That hopefully would be the kind of the deal breaker for me personally on this one.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I'm hoping we get a great experience and a great night.
Speaker A:It's quite an ominous building when you, when you pull up to it.
Speaker A:It's sort of like on this weird sort of corner by a roundabout on the housing stakes.
Speaker A:So you sort of pull up and it's like, oh hello, here we are.
Speaker A:It's like one of them same.
Speaker A:Like when you go to.
Speaker A:We've been to Priest Cottage, you sort of get to the building itself and it's quite, it's quite a weird looking building from the outside and it's got that sort of sort of almost sort of sets the tone for the.
Speaker A:The vibe.
Speaker A:So I'm hoping and putting together some of the clips and like you said, going into the story a little bit more over the last few days of looking into it, bit more kind of getting a bit of a.
Speaker A:And I, I look at the pictures and the picture from the bottom of the stairs is quite an ominous picture with the clock at the top of the stairs.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's weird.
Speaker B:The clock that was thrown down the stairs at one point and that's the.
Speaker A:Same stairs that Carl Beaton is the Most Haunted got pulled up during Most Haunted Live on Halloween that year that we have discussed on this, on this episode or on this podcast before.
Speaker B:So, and I believe if I'm not mistaken that because obviously that was one of the.
Speaker B:When did the live streams.
Speaker B:It was Most Haunted Live and stuff.
Speaker B:That was the last one they did because it caused quite a lot of controversy and stuff.
Speaker B:A lot of people questioning the authenticity around that episode that became.
Speaker B: came the last one they did in: Speaker A:Yeah, I think it was, you know, because they had like a knife appear in the settee on the sofa.
Speaker A:A knife went missing.
Speaker A:They were getting people out of the building and it was, it was.
Speaker A:I watched it back.
Speaker A:Me and Sarah actually watched it back before Christmas or early towards the end of last year to just revisit just to, to watch Most Haunted because Most Haunted is where it all started for a lot of people.
Speaker A:And look in the back here and you go, you can see why it got a few complaints.
Speaker A:And just from the whole vibe, it was quite a.
Speaker A:If you go into open minded and you believe everything that you saw that night on that live, it's quite a disturbing piece of footage for a couple of hours.
Speaker A:So yeah, I'M looking forward to going into the story a bit because I imagine there's a lot of people that haven't necessarily sort of looked into the story much more than just seeing on social media.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:Yeah, and so like I mentioned, there's a lot of contradictory stories and people may have only heard one.
Speaker B:And so I believe that.
Speaker B:That that's what happened.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:But as.
Speaker B:As we'll find out, so what we do is we'll start off with a quick.
Speaker B:We'll sort of run through a quick timeline.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Of like sort of events from when the family moved in and sort of up to now.
Speaker B:And then we sort of go.
Speaker B:Then go back and concentrate on the different aspects in.
Speaker B:In more detail.
Speaker B:And even doing the timeline where you.
Speaker B:Where to get your information from, the timeline changes.
Speaker B: that the activity started in: Speaker B: t's quiet for two years until: Speaker B:That's just one of the kind of inconsistencies that you will find depending on what source you read in what videos you're watching.
Speaker B:It's this.
Speaker B:So it's so muddled.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So it has been hard to kind of get this to the point people that will listen to this.
Speaker B:I'm like, that's wrong, that's wrong.
Speaker B:And it's like we just got this from multiple different sources because a lot of people, because of the book by Colin Wilson, I think his name is, wrote Poltergeist around it.
Speaker B:That's kind of like the holy Grail of it.
Speaker B:But there's a lot of people, a lot of people that do concentrate that the events are in that book.
Speaker B:So it's been a bit of a difficult one to try and cement it into a strict timeline and information that we've got for this episode.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's interesting because when I was starting to do a bit of a deep dive to pull up timelines and such like and said about the Colin Wilson book, and up until that point it wasn't really a story, it wasn't really a thing.
Speaker A:And no, his book come out and like you just said, it became a bit of a holy grail and the gold standard for what happened.
Speaker A:But then it's not necessarily the truth or diversion of events do slightly differ.
Speaker A:So, yeah, let's go for it.
Speaker B: So, August: Speaker B:There's dad Joe, mother Jean and the kids Philip, who's 15 at the time.
Speaker B:And Diane who was 12, say within to 30s drive.
Speaker B:Obviously like we mentioned, it was a kind of social housing estate, council house in, in West Yorkshire and just typical kind of semi detached.
Speaker B:You see them all over the country.
Speaker B:These types of estates, they just pop up.
Speaker B: Especially if I built in the: Speaker B:If you see sort of the picture in the front of the house that's just so many people lived in houses just like that.
Speaker B:So kind of all built to the same kind of pattern and stuff.
Speaker B:And within days, strange occurrences began.
Speaker B:Starting with chalk, like powder falling from the air, which was like.
Speaker B:It kind of started at kind of below head high, head high level.
Speaker B:And this sort of chalk like substance was just kind of dripping.
Speaker B:And then when they went into the kitchen, you have these wet pillows on the floor, even though there was any water on.
Speaker B:And they're getting lots of cold spots and odd smells.
Speaker B: Late: Speaker B:You got furniture pointedly being moved on its own.
Speaker B:Lights flicking on and off.
Speaker B:The strange one, a green foam coming out of the taps, A very Ghostbusters esque activity going on.
Speaker B:And then the phenomenon gets a bit of local attention from neighbors and local press.
Speaker B:And the entity is called Mr. Nobody Bad a media for the first time, the local paper.
Speaker B:So again, like I mentioned, the timeline.
Speaker B: tops here and reverts back in: Speaker B:We're just going to sort of follow this timeline that we've got.
Speaker B: So in: Speaker B:A pattern that's common in Portuguese cases, which we'll also be coming on to.
Speaker B:Numerous exorcisms are attempted after family got in touch with a priest, but with no success.
Speaker B:Some of the activity that was reported include objects being thrown across rooms, pictures being slashed while they're still on the wall, loud banging and footsteps on the family.
Speaker B:The press called it Missing Nobody.
Speaker B:The family referred to the ghost as Fred or the spirit as Fred to kind of be.
Speaker B:Be a bit more friendly, try and make it a bit more human and not as scary.
Speaker B:Trying to humanize the thing a little bit.
Speaker B: Still in: Speaker B:And then the family also saw fingerprints kind of becoming visible on her throat.
Speaker B:This kind of said that she was dragged by a hair in her throat up the Stairs.
Speaker B:And that was kind of the point where they sort of said, that's enough, that's enough.
Speaker B: But in: Speaker B:And that one with the ambient dragged upstairs.
Speaker B:Mean, for a kid who's probably getting 14 maybe at this point, how terrifying is that?
Speaker B:To be dragged up the stairs by something that's invisible?
Speaker A:I think for anybody anyway, that would be insane.
Speaker A:But being a young girl going through a puberty and going through that time in their life, cannot even imagine what kind of conversation you have after that, apart from let's get out of this house now that I. I can't see what other conversation you could have.
Speaker A:And I know across other pole guys cases, they stay in the house for that little bit longer and stuff what you do.
Speaker A:So, yeah, it's a bit of a wild one.
Speaker A:So shall I go on to the.
Speaker A:The.
Speaker A: The: Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:So after the.
Speaker B:So after Pritchards move out.
Speaker A: Yeah, so we go into the: Speaker A:30s drive gains legendary status amongst paranormal researchers.
Speaker A:And the Black monk narrative becomes more firmly attached to the story during this period.
Speaker A: So we move into the early: Speaker A:That's mad.
Speaker B:It's mad.
Speaker A:It gets featured on shows including Most Haunted.
Speaker A:Live investigations provoke controversy with skeptics accusing some of exaggeration and staging some of the events that happened, which we've mentioned.
Speaker A:But then interest in the house surges again, as it were, because around that time you've got Most Haunted and everybody starts ramping up a paranormal interest.
Speaker A: And then: Speaker A:The horror film when the Lights Went out is released loosely based on the Pritchard haunting.
Speaker A:And the story then reaches a mainstream audience.
Speaker A:So from then up until the present day, the property is marketed as the poltergeist house.
Speaker A:It's often called the most haunted house in England, the most haunted house in Europe.
Speaker A:I mean, there's a lot of those around.
Speaker A:But hosts organized overnight investigations.
Speaker A:Visitors continue to report experiences, though nothing on the scale of being dragged up the stairs during the 66 and 67 events.
Speaker A:And I think it's haunted happenings that run a lot of the popular nights there.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:So that's.
Speaker A:That's a brief history of a timeline of events which, like mentioned brief history of timeline yeah, we, you get multiple versions but they're all roughly the same.
Speaker A:It's just a few differences along the way.
Speaker B:A couple of years are off and there's also somewhat later on we'll talk about with again the sort of dates relating to something else and that off depending on what, what source you're reading from.
Speaker B:Yeah, so very much so.
Speaker B:I guess if we kind of start at the activity, obviously that's the main focus.
Speaker B:Yeah, you want to know about the activity that's been happening.
Speaker B:So the first main incident started on September 16, when the eldest son Philip, staying at the home of his grandmother Sarah Scholes, while the rest of the family was away on a trip to Devon.
Speaker B:Nice.
Speaker B:Never been.
Speaker B:I need to go one day they felt it's nice.
Speaker B:It's just so far it is.
Speaker A:Well, it's not for me.
Speaker B:Maybe it's not too bad for you, like.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's like six, seven hours for me.
Speaker B:Only M6 for long.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:In September, they felt a strange gust of cold wind pass through despite the summer heat, shortly after which they witnessed what seemed to be a white powder or mist snowing down from the ceiling as sounds of footsteps echo from above.
Speaker B:When they went to investigate Longer Skull's sister Marie Kelly, they came across inexplicable pools of water spreading on the floor of the kitchen.
Speaker B:And even as they stared at this new development, those strange noises continued from the next floor up and that dust rained down upon them.
Speaker B:At the time it's thought that the water was merely the result of a broken pipe and a repairman from the water companies called in to take a look.
Speaker B:However, after a thorough inspection of the kitchen, there's finds been no sign of anything amiss and the repairman had no idea where the water could be coming from, even as it seemed to pool up even more whilst he was there.
Speaker B:Later that same evening, the pools of water began to form again from nowhere.
Speaker B:And this time the phenomena was joined by a violent jolting rattling of various cutlery and pots and pans around the kitchen.
Speaker B:In addition to this, the whole area was sprayed with tea as some unseen force repeatedly depressed the button on the tea dispenser with great force and increasing speed, the cupboards and furniture of the kitchen began to vibrate and move about without explanation or apparent cause.
Speaker B:And this was all followed by a thunderous bang from the outside hallway.
Speaker B:So it's kind of escalated pretty quickly from kind of nothing to this powder appearing.
Speaker B:And then all of a sudden it just kicks off in the kitchen like the cut the cutlery is going about the covers all being shaken and there's water everywhere.
Speaker B:Like what the hell is happening?
Speaker A:I mean the water is quite a classic poltergeist thing and I.
Speaker A:There's other reports that they were wiping away the water and mopping it up but as soon as they were mopping up the water just appeared back again.
Speaker A:So it's like concert.
Speaker A:And this is one of the weird things that I find with the polka stack TV that there is like a ramp up.
Speaker A:Usually from reports it starts off with knocks and bangs which they've had some strange noises but within that days they've got this dust.
Speaker A:The pooling of water, the violent shaking that is super escalated really quickly compared to sort of some of the other famous cases.
Speaker A:So I can't imagine you're not even had chance.
Speaker A:I say get used to it but you haven't got chance to get used to the phenomena happening.
Speaker A:It's just gone 0 to 100 straight off.
Speaker A:And I, I.
Speaker B:It's, it's kind of weird how it's happening when the family's away.
Speaker B:So Philip's there.
Speaker B:Sorry I didn't take him in old days but tight.
Speaker A:He's a bit.
Speaker B:It's kind of like the mum, dad and his sister away and then he's there with his aunt or his grandma and it all kicks off.
Speaker B:It's like why is it waited.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Till then kind of is on his own kind of thing.
Speaker B:He's not with his family.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:That's strange as well because usually again it generally revolves around a prepubescent teen girl.
Speaker A:Not always, but predominantly so in this case Diane, she was on holiday and not even in the house.
Speaker A:So it's almost like a very strange.
Speaker A:It doesn't fit the typical polka's narrative.
Speaker A:So it's a.
Speaker A:It's a wild one and I mean how do you even deal with that?
Speaker A:Do you mean?
Speaker B:And the activity then sort of carries on again.
Speaker B:It's either couple years later or throughout the two years as, as we kind of talked about and we talked about the green phone coming from the taps and just all together the taps turn themselves on and cut out the taps.
Speaker B:Even when they turn.
Speaker B:Obviously they thought they had issue with the water.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And even when the water turned off you got the taps turn themselves on and, and that's something that's been reported by a lot of people that have investigated since like the taps being turned on in the bathroom and stuff.
Speaker B:Which is just hearing water coming from.
Speaker B:Which is actually quite freaky.
Speaker B:Say like we're all Downstairs and all of a sudden we hear the water faucet running upstairs.
Speaker B:Like it's like phasophobia when the ghost turns the wall on.
Speaker B:It's like somebody just turned the water in the bathroom.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker B:Yeah, just pretty, pretty weird one.
Speaker B: it would have been like very: Speaker B:Yeah, you.
Speaker B:It's quite going to be quite interesting to be in I guess like an old fashioned grandma house.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's definitely got a weird vibe in it and I think that adds to, to the effect.
Speaker A:But yes, I mean just going back to the tap thing and the fact that they thought it was a plumbing issue.
Speaker A:First of all, you can absolutely see why.
Speaker A:And I think in a lot of cases where taps come on and stuff, that's, that would be your first thing you go, we've got dodgy taps, got dodgy water.
Speaker A:I think, I think you wouldn't want to even think that something is just turning taps on.
Speaker A:Like I know the hotel in Chester, they've had the, the taps go on, turn themselves on.
Speaker A:Just stuff like this.
Speaker A:It just seems like a strange thing.
Speaker A:And I know water seems to be an energy source for a lot of paranormal activity as we've seen.
Speaker A:Like there's ranches, famous ranches with rivers near them.
Speaker A:It seems to be, I think monks always put like churches and, and some of their com.
Speaker A:The convents for the nuns.
Speaker A:They're all next to, to main rivers.
Speaker A:So I think the water is an energy for definite but green substance.
Speaker B:Yeah and we'll come on to that shortly as well with the, with the sort of the monk side of the water thing.
Speaker B:So again there's some more the activity that was happening.
Speaker B:I've just been thrown.
Speaker B:The grandfather clock was thrown down the stairs.
Speaker B:Picture frames destroyed and thrown about plants moving, throwing themselves around the house, lights being switched on and off all the time again.
Speaker B:And like we said it sort of culminated in Diane being dragged up the stairs like you mentioned when more shortly went there.
Speaker B:The producer is or whoever it was, cameraman, whatever was Carl BT dragged as a car beat.
Speaker B:He was dragged up the stairs.
Speaker B:Not by Yvette, into the, up the stairs.
Speaker B:But that's obviously about a lot of controversy.
Speaker B:People say you can see rope turn around and that's pulling them up.
Speaker B:But then the believers say that was just the microphone cable stuff like that.
Speaker B:So yeah, that was.
Speaker B:What's your take on the most.
Speaker B:Most haunted being dragged up the stairs.
Speaker A:If you take it for what it is.
Speaker A:That's entertainment purposes.
Speaker A:It's a great bit of tv and it's one of the most talked about, like paranormal clips online, if not babysitting that much now.
Speaker A:But when it happened and when it came out, that clip, we've put it up before and talked about a clip.
Speaker A:What I don't get which would resolve all of it is they had a live broadcast going on that night.
Speaker A:They had cameras all upstairs and they didn't show a single view of a camera from the moment it happened.
Speaker A:I just find that strange.
Speaker A:And the only reason why you wouldn't show that footage is if there was things on there you didn't want people to see.
Speaker A:So for me, I still think it's someone pulling him up.
Speaker A:It was like a microphone cable or something, but still he's still got pulled up the stairs.
Speaker A:I can't see if they could prove that it was a genuine piece of footage where there was nobody else upstairs or there was nobody on the landing.
Speaker A:It would probably be the greatest video capture of paranormal evidence ever because it happened on live tv, on a live haunted program on Halloween with all these stars there.
Speaker A:Rylan was presenting it that night, Rylan himself, and I love him.
Speaker A:I just think it could have been the best thing that's ever happened to them.
Speaker A:And ultimately I think it was one of the worst things that ever happened to them because like you said, I don't think they did a live broadcast after that.
Speaker A:And it's a shame because it was great tv.
Speaker A:It was great tv.
Speaker A:Regardless of what you thought about it, it was great tv.
Speaker A:And it's funny not to go off on too much of a tangent, but when I went there the last time there was a couple with us, it was a public event, haunted happenings, but we're doing it.
Speaker A:Great night.
Speaker A:Come fault the night there was this couple there and they were asking us in the living room who'd sort of heard about the place before and everything.
Speaker A:And they said, oh, we've seen it Almost Haunted and we watch most on it all the time.
Speaker A:And there was a bit of a little side eye from everybody and they're like, there was a comment made about Most Haunted and they genuinely thought the Most Haunted was real.
Speaker A:And that night they found out there wasn't real.
Speaker A:And they were quite shocked about it all.
Speaker A:And everybody else in the room wasn't obviously.
Speaker A:But I think it captivates a certain type of audience that want a scare, they want to believe.
Speaker A:And I don't know if now me and you have been doing this for so Long and we've been in so many different paranormal environments that we become numb to it or that we see through a lot of the entertainment side in terms of.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's kind of like.
Speaker B:It feels a bit.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:When I first started like doing these things and going out to graveyards or in the F and stuff, I used to be like, I used to be proper scared and creeped out, but now I'm like, love it.
Speaker B:I'm on my own.
Speaker B:Send me on my own.
Speaker B:Because I just like kind of lost that fear even like being in the forest at 2 o' clock on my own.
Speaker A:Yeah, don't.
Speaker B:I have lost that fear just from doing it so often.
Speaker B:It kind of like made me miss that being scared bit.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like I say, just, just getting used to.
Speaker B:To it and knowing what things aren't paranormal.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And learning what isn't paranormal.
Speaker B:What is just normal noises like us in these houses.
Speaker B:Like the sort of noises my house makes because it's an old house.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's, it's, it's strange.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It's a shame that we've lost some of that scaredness.
Speaker A:But I think that from our point of view it's allowed us to look at footage and go, well actually this is that.
Speaker A:Or I can see, like I just said, if.
Speaker A:If they had showed the video footage from the top of the stairs and there was nobody up there, hands down, I would have gone, okay, fair enough.
Speaker A:But because they haven't and I know there was cameras there as a paranormal investigator law even like doing the paranormal podcasts and just being in our circle of friends that we all just talk paranormal all the time, that that could have been the greatest piece of TV ever.
Speaker A:And it kind of did become the greatest piece of paranormal TV ever for the wrong reasons.
Speaker A:And I'm gutted because it would have done the world of the paranormal so, so much good had they been able to confirm it.
Speaker A:But I, I love most horn they don't.
Speaker A:To be fair, I've enjoyed watching a few episodes.
Speaker B:What to do.
Speaker B:I'll have to do it.
Speaker B:It's like when I was a kid, sort of like being teenager stuff, watching it and spending countless hours watching the lives and watching the online like love like different streams online you could watch as well as the TV show and stuff and watching these locked off cameras and staring at you thinking something happens, something happens, something happened.
Speaker B:Yeah, it was, it is good.
Speaker B:It was good.
Speaker B:Like I say about a passage for many, many paranormal people.
Speaker A:I think so.
Speaker A:I think so.
Speaker A:So yeah, I I wish the footage could have been better but it's a great piece of TV regardless.
Speaker A:And the live.
Speaker A:The live event was great and I do suggest people go and watch it because there's a lot of good stuff on there and it's thoroughly.
Speaker B:We saw the camera and the other camera on the rooms with.
Speaker B:Was it like ping pong balls, whatever in there and they're like moving about in this locked off room on the road and like moving weirdly and stuff.
Speaker B:In this room though some people say they have like a hair dryer or something in there that was.
Speaker B:That was blowing or like.
Speaker B:Yeah, but me and we might get scared on one of them.
Speaker B:We got.
Speaker B:Or this week.
Speaker B:Next week.
Speaker B:I hope so you might get that scaredness back.
Speaker B:Something might happen.
Speaker B:I think I'm not even going to sleep here tonight.
Speaker B:You know what I mean?
Speaker B:It might get, you know, hopefully maybe get that bad.
Speaker A:But we'll see and everybody can watch us.
Speaker A:We'll live stream as well.
Speaker B:So yes, we will be live on TikTok.
Speaker A:Yes, we will be.
Speaker B:We will throughout the night.
Speaker A:It'd be really good.
Speaker A:It'd be really good.
Speaker B:So make sure you follow us.
Speaker A:Absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker A:The paranormal podcast pretty much across the whole of social media.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So moving on back to a kind of overview.
Speaker B:Don't.
Speaker B:Didn't really go too much into all the events that happened with the picture family because there's countless podcast episodes, YouTube videos.
Speaker B:People know a lot of stuff that's happened.
Speaker B:So we're going to go into some of the other stuff that you don't really hear about.
Speaker B:Talk about too much which we'll kind of come to.
Speaker B:But before that, let's talk about the spirit itself.
Speaker B:Fred.
Speaker B:Ms. Nobody.
Speaker B:The black one.
Speaker B:Company fact.
Speaker B:So we sort of talk about the different names.
Speaker B:It's called the sort of discuss why.
Speaker B:Then they all sort of give a brief information of why it's called in different names.
Speaker B:Hopefully you know what the press is like.
Speaker B:So start with Miss Nobody, which is the first name it was given by the press.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B: This is in late: Speaker B:There's no explanation for it.
Speaker B:And kind of Miss Nobody's not really saying it's a ghost.
Speaker B:It's just like it doesn't.
Speaker B:I mean it's ghost.
Speaker B:It's not like we're not saying it's a ghost story at this point.
Speaker B:It's just these things are happening.
Speaker B:Don't know how they're happening.
Speaker B:They're not seeing anything at this point.
Speaker B:Like, we're not seeing any figures or anything at this point.
Speaker B:There's no religious or historical identity attached yet to.
Speaker B:To the house or the.
Speaker B:Or the other.
Speaker B:The spirit, it had no visible form.
Speaker B:It left no explanation.
Speaker B:And kind of the name itself, miss the nobody kind of reflects skepticism and uncertainty.
Speaker B:It's like.
Speaker B:Like something's happening.
Speaker B:There's something definitely happening in this house.
Speaker B:We don't know what or who's responsible.
Speaker B:It might not be a spirit.
Speaker B:It might be one of the family.
Speaker B:We don't know which one it is.
Speaker B:So it's the nobody at the minute.
Speaker B:It could be somebody.
Speaker B:It could be nobody.
Speaker B:That's kind of why that name was brought in.
Speaker B:And then move on to Fred.
Speaker B:As mentioned, this was more used by the family, which are particularly Diane.
Speaker B:And it.
Speaker B:According to family accounts, the entity appeared to respond to conversation and attention.
Speaker B:And it was.
Speaker B:Obviously, some of it was violent and scary, but there were some funny aspects to what the ghost was doing, which we'll come on to shortly during exorcisms and stuff.
Speaker B:There's, like, some.
Speaker B:A bit of a sense of humor to it.
Speaker B:And, like, naming it Fred was a way to humanize it, produce that fair and give the family a bit of a sense of control, a bit of psychological control over it, like they say, Sort of making it kind of part of the family.
Speaker B:So it's like, you're not scaring us.
Speaker B:Like, it's just friend.
Speaker B:Like, I do it here.
Speaker B: ed to the address from, like,: Speaker B:And when something happens and we hear these weird noises or things being dropped, like, in the hallway, we just tell Sail to shut up.
Speaker B:Like, sil, I'm trying to get sleep.
Speaker B:Like, we've.
Speaker B:It kind of makes it a little bit easier.
Speaker B:So the place we.
Speaker B:With my partner, it's like, I guess, a little bit scared.
Speaker B:I'm like, it's only Cyril.
Speaker B:Like, don't worry about it.
Speaker B:It's just Cyril being.
Speaker B:Trying to be.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:Looking for attention to kind of make it a bit more easier to kind of accept that there's something happening in the house.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So I totally get that.
Speaker A:I think that's a really good.
Speaker A:Good thought.
Speaker A:Because if you look at the Mfield park ghost, yes, they came to know it as the ghost of a guy called Bill Wilkins.
Speaker A:But up until that point, and I don't think they ever called the entity by the name Bill they just accepted this thing happening.
Speaker A:So to actually give it a name and like you do as well.
Speaker A:I think it almost.
Speaker A:It sort of brings it in as part of the household rather than something external that's affecting you guys.
Speaker A:Maybe I don't know how you.
Speaker A:How you feel.
Speaker B:How.
Speaker A:How does.
Speaker A:How does Jamie feel about that?
Speaker A:Does he.
Speaker A:Does that make.
Speaker A:Make it any better or.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker B:Bigger doors.
Speaker B:Good evening.
Speaker B:He says, like he messed me.
Speaker B:Like Sill's being noisy and I'm like, just talk to him.
Speaker B:Like just.
Speaker B:Just acknowledge it.
Speaker B:Like it just wants a bit of attention.
Speaker B:It's kind of been.
Speaker B:It's been for nearly five years now.
Speaker A:Hell yeah.
Speaker B:Five years since we moved in.
Speaker B:Jesus.
Speaker B:So we kind of has got used to it.
Speaker B:Whereas first it'd be like.
Speaker B:It'd be straight up.
Speaker B:So what the.
Speaker B:He'd like go outside.
Speaker B:Go outside.
Speaker B:I'm like, it's fine if there something that it's not gonna harm.
Speaker B:I was like, now it's just like trying to sleep.
Speaker B:Like just stop trying to sleep.
Speaker B:Like sort of stuff is kind of have got.
Speaker B:Both of us got.
Speaker B:We use Jennifer.
Speaker B:And that does help.
Speaker B:Like they giving it a human name.
Speaker B:I have no idea what it is.
Speaker B:Like we talked about it a lot.
Speaker B:Like, I don't think it's a human ghost.
Speaker B:It's something else.
Speaker B:But we've sort of personalized it as a human ghost called Cyril with nothing to go off apart from one.
Speaker B:The person that lived there 100 years ago.
Speaker B:That's the only thing I've got to go off.
Speaker B:It could be him.
Speaker B:You know what I mean?
Speaker B:It could be.
Speaker B:Maybe that's why he responds because that is his name.
Speaker A:Yeah, maybe, maybe.
Speaker B:But need to do more.
Speaker B:I. I need to do.
Speaker B:I've not done any stuff for a few months in this house.
Speaker B:I need to get back to it before anything escalates like I'm being dragged up the stairs.
Speaker A:How can you imagine stuff like that?
Speaker B:Imagine I'm like, Greg, you won't believe what's just happened.
Speaker B:Look at the throat.
Speaker B:My God.
Speaker A:Imagine being dragged down into the basement.
Speaker B:Oh my God.
Speaker B:I just hope I film it.
Speaker B:I just hope I film it every time I go down.
Speaker B:I'm gonna have to take a camera with me.
Speaker B:I've got a new clip on body camera here for investigation.
Speaker B:So it's how I go down.
Speaker B:I'll have to wear that.
Speaker B:So I've got always got evidence over there.
Speaker A:Definitely.
Speaker B:I'll be bringing it on to our investigation.
Speaker B:Point of view, first person camera.
Speaker A:So amazing.
Speaker B:That'd be Cool.
Speaker B:So do you want to talk about the next name?
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Entity.
Speaker B:So the famous one.
Speaker A:The famous one, yeah.
Speaker A:So I think this is probably the most iconic name that the Black Muntah Mund.
Speaker B:A black winter.
Speaker A:The Black Monk of Pontefract.
Speaker A:And I think if you type in 30 East Drive into Google, you get the Black Monk of Pontefret who used it.
Speaker A:It was later on that the paranormal Investigators, authors and TV programs, mostly post 70s, used the black Mulk of Pontefract is the name.
Speaker A:And I think it invokes more of a sense of dread.
Speaker A:After the original events, researchers began to try and look into it.
Speaker A:And there was a local legend of a 16th century Cluniac monk who was allegedly executed for violent crimes.
Speaker A:The monk was said to have worn black robes, hence the Black Monk.
Speaker A:So that, that fits in perfect to a violent haunted house because by this time all the events have taken place.
Speaker A:So the fact that this violent side has come out and oh, there's this, this monk who wore black in the 16th century is perfect.
Speaker A:But interestingly, the name was not used by the Pritchard family during the main haunting period.
Speaker A:And it was only after the case had gained fame and the researchers went in that they started using that name.
Speaker A:And this represents a bit of a shift from the Polegeist case, which had no sort of in Mr. Nobody like you mentioned and Fred, but nothing really to distinguish what it was to then to like this haunting narrative.
Speaker A:And by doing, by giving it the Black Monk name, it gives like a historical depth so you can then trace it back hundreds of years.
Speaker A:There's a clear antagonist for it.
Speaker A:There's this black monk that's terrorizing a family.
Speaker A:And that again then leads on to stronger appeal for books, TV tourism and paranormal investigations.
Speaker A:Let's go and see the Black Monk Pontifrat.
Speaker B:Definitely a lot more marketable.
Speaker B:Oh yeah, for sure, for sure, for sure.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And again, this is one of the things that has a lot of contradictory information around this, this monk, this priory being executed, being buried, him killing people.
Speaker B:So and sort of doing more the research like Pontiff does have a genuine medieval history.
Speaker B:It was home to a Cluniac priory from the 11th century.
Speaker B:Amongst the tradition, monks did traditionally wear dark or black black habits.
Speaker B:However, like I said, during the actual family Pritchard family's experiences, he was never described as a monk or anything like that.
Speaker B:They never mean like we had people saw like, like this other figure with.
Speaker B:By the door.
Speaker B:He saw the most famous kind of one where it looked like a hooded robed Figure shadow.
Speaker B:But again that was only referred to after the events, not during.
Speaker B:At the time it was like the black shadow.
Speaker B:Now it's a monk robe that was a road monk that was seen through the window.
Speaker B:So like you say, it was only years later and paranormal writers and television programs began re examining the case and searching for a historical explanation.
Speaker B:Alleged this legend developed of a monk who killed a young girl and was executed with his body thrown in a well under the property.
Speaker B:But no contemporary medieval records support that story or link it to his drive.
Speaker B:However, a well was found and underneath the property.
Speaker B:And there's a house that sort of backs onto having not been there.
Speaker B:I can't really picture it but apparently the house it backs onto is in number 79 or something.
Speaker B:I believe off the next road.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:There's a well and it sort of splits both the properties.
Speaker B:So half, half of it's on the 30s drive, half of it's under this other property.
Speaker B:So the well is there.
Speaker B:Again, sort of mentioning water before where sort of p. Stuff have to happens around water.
Speaker B:Well I can use water as the energy.
Speaker B:Stuff on the water was appearing in.
Speaker B:In the house and stuff.
Speaker B:And the.
Speaker B:The monk was said to have been executed on the gallows which were facing the house at the time.
Speaker B:He's kind of at the top of this hill.
Speaker B:But again there's no firm documentation of this.
Speaker B:It's all kind of legend attached to it.
Speaker B:And like I say is a.
Speaker B:It is a good legend.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It's a very cool and had with it.
Speaker B:Researchers generally view it as like say a retrospective narrative.
Speaker B:It gives the.
Speaker B:It gives the entity a face emotive, a backstory.
Speaker B:You think, oh this is this killer monk that was thrown in the well.
Speaker B:Is his body still down there?
Speaker B:This was it like was the well used after that or could have been sealed off and the body is still in there.
Speaker B:Like we don't know any of this stuff because there's no.
Speaker B:Obviously there's no history true history of it and people don't consider it like a proper part of the story.
Speaker B:It is all folklore sort of legend that people tell as fact.
Speaker B:When you listen to some of the podcasts and stuff or YouTube episode because it makes for a nice story.
Speaker A:It does.
Speaker B:We've got to go find the Black Monkey Monty fan and we'll probably do it on.
Speaker B:On when we go.
Speaker B:We'll be.
Speaker B:We'll be on our tick tock.
Speaker B:We're searching for the Black Monkey pontiff.
Speaker B:We're going to find it.
Speaker B:We're going to get that guy.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's definitely what we're.
Speaker B:We're going to be doing for entertainment purposes.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:I mean it's definitely.
Speaker A:It gives a better and juicier story than just Mr. Nobody.
Speaker A:Although Mr. Nobody's quite a freaky name to give it.
Speaker A:But the fact that there's no.
Speaker A:At the time it happened, they.
Speaker A:They couldn't put a person to it or they couldn't visualize this entity.
Speaker A:And then all of a sudden they found this local law where the black monk is there and he's been executed.
Speaker A:And again exit because he killed a girl.
Speaker A:And then you've got Diane in the house who get dragged up and she's a girl.
Speaker A:It's perfect, really.
Speaker A:And it's a horror story and horror movie right there.
Speaker A:So, yeah, it definitely helps the more modern tourism and marketable side of the.
Speaker A:The legend itself.
Speaker A:Because who doesn't want to go hunting for the black monk upon a fract?
Speaker A:I do.
Speaker B:Underwear monks.
Speaker B:There were.
Speaker B:There was a priory.
Speaker A:That's the thing.
Speaker B:Nearby.
Speaker A:It all ties in nicely and it just.
Speaker A:It fits the narrative really well.
Speaker A:And then there's this well on the property and the fact that the monk was executed near the property and facing it and it works perfect.
Speaker A:You couldn't ask for better sort of legend to make the story more and more of an interesting story.
Speaker A:Because if you're just a bathinger, this girl got dragged upstairs.
Speaker A:Pools of water.
Speaker A:I mean that in itself is pretty.
Speaker A:Pretty dark.
Speaker A:But to have an entity of a person that was executed for killing a girl in the local area, potentially on the site, no firm records is perfect.
Speaker A:It's perfect.
Speaker A:And it's almost a paranormal investigation company's dream to have a property like that.
Speaker B:Yeah, for sure.
Speaker B:And like again with the sort of different stories you read because we said here that the.
Speaker B:The monk was showing down the well as he's executed.
Speaker B:I always say that he murdered multiple girls.
Speaker B:He threw their bodies down the well to hide the bodies and stuff.
Speaker B:Again, it's all so many different stories.
Speaker B:Just buddies.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker B:The well water even more.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:With that.
Speaker B:So we mentioned briefly about the exorcisms.
Speaker B:So they spoke to priest.
Speaker B:They got the priest in on a couple of times to try and do exorcist.
Speaker B:And these were kind of.
Speaker B:They didn't work.
Speaker B:The Fred, whatever you want to call it, responded to the exorcism attempts.
Speaker B:The priest saw this happening.
Speaker B:They had local police see this.
Speaker B:See this stuff happening.
Speaker B:The report had seen some happening.
Speaker B:Neighbors seen stuff happening.
Speaker B:Similar to Enfield Horton where Lots of people saw these events happening at the time, including police officers as well there and reporters.
Speaker B:So while they're doing these exorcisms, the walls would seep with holy water, faces were slapped, people pushed down the stairs, and in one case, Fred's hands appeared just sort of out of the air from nowhere.
Speaker B:And because they're playing Christian songs while they're in the exorcist, during the exorcism and he was doing this with his hands.
Speaker B:If he's like conducting the.
Speaker B:The orchestra that doing the Christian songs whilst wearing huge women's fur gloves.
Speaker B:Like I say this is like the funny.
Speaker B:It's like so they're trying to do something.
Speaker B:He's respond and see.
Speaker B:He's responding to it in a humorous way.
Speaker B:Sometimes imagine these two hands, fur gloves on, just appearing and being a conductor of a.
Speaker B:Of a band.
Speaker B:Like, it's just, what the hell's happening?
Speaker B:The priest saw this happening.
Speaker A:It's bad.
Speaker B:He also poured the entire drink of milk from the fridge over one of the ants, which the kids found obviously pretty funny, even if like scary funny at the same time.
Speaker B:So there is a joker side to the violent side as well.
Speaker B:And in all honesty, compared to other poltergeist cases, apart from Diane being dragged up the stairs, it's not very violent.
Speaker B:No, it's kind of things moving, it's stuff being left, things being turned on, water being bought from into jugs and stuff.
Speaker B:But it's one of the other activity that happened where a jug of water has been filled up by nothing.
Speaker B:But it's not violent really.
Speaker B:Until that happened, it wasn't like.
Speaker B:Because like say in some cases, like Buffer hell house and you kind of start as low level, then it builds and it builds and it builds to people being scratched, being assaulted, being attacked.
Speaker B:Whereas it's part of that one incident on the stairs.
Speaker B:It's pretty low level really in terms of activity.
Speaker B:So the picture move out, like I mentioned earlier, different owners, none of them report anything happening.
Speaker B:The house also empty for quite a lot of time, but nothing really, really happened after the pitcher had to move out.
Speaker B:But what you don't hear a lot about, and this is what we'll come on to with some of this discrepancy in timeline, is the family before the pitch arts is it had a lot of stuff happening to them.
Speaker B: nd they moved in in September: Speaker B: d his wife Barbara married in: Speaker B:I spent their early years living with Barbara's family while I was waiting for a council house to come available.
Speaker B:The social housing which then became 30 years drive.
Speaker B:Getting their home from the outset.
Speaker B:When they moved in, the house was troubled.
Speaker B:Bill reported that cupboards and fittings that have been carefully installed would inexplicably shift and sit crooked days later, leading to frequent arguments between the couple and the as each accused the other of moving things and messing with stuff.
Speaker B:Wallpaper wouldn't stay in place.
Speaker B:The house was persistently cold despite repeated council visits and strange noises and disembodied voices were commonly heard.
Speaker B:Barbara found the outside coal house so oppressive that she refused to enter it.
Speaker B:While furniture and her baby daughter's pram were repeatedly found slashed and scratched.
Speaker B:Even the garden resisted Bill's efforts.
Speaker B:With nothing managing to grow despite his skill as a gardener.
Speaker B:More disturbing incidents followed.
Speaker B:Jane became increasingly unsettled.
Speaker B:Crying relentlessly changed the baby.
Speaker B:Crying relentlessly each evening for no apparent reason.
Speaker B:She slept peacefully and staying out the house with the parents.
Speaker B:But back in the house she just cried all night.
Speaker B:Barbara herself became anxious and withdrawn, often finding reasons to stay away from the house.
Speaker B:And religious upset and religious objects quietly appeared around the home as well.
Speaker B:One evening, Barbara's mother Nancy, babysat.
Speaker B:I was left shaken.
Speaker B:So shaken by what she experienced that she refused to speak about it and demanded to leave immediately.
Speaker B:The most alarming events centered on Jane the baby.
Speaker B:Small scratches and blood marks began appearing on her face while she slept, even after the parents put her to bed.
Speaker B:Because the fort smart man's babies do scratch themselves and subsidy put mittens on the hands.
Speaker B:Make sure she didn't do that.
Speaker B:But the scratches still appeared on her.
Speaker B:When Barbara became pregnant with the second child, she suffered serious complications and required weekly medical visits after attending the house.
Speaker B:Once the doctor refused to return to 30 East Drive, insisting Barbara come to the surgery instead.
Speaker B:Only after the family moved out did the doctor go back to doing house visits at the house, offering no explanation for his unease in the house.
Speaker A:That's dark essentially almost worse than the events that took place with the Pritchards.
Speaker B:They're not really violent with the Pritchards.
Speaker B:And then now we've got a baby being scratched and seemingly being targeted.
Speaker B:Yeah, by.
Speaker B:By Fred.
Speaker A:Fred here.
Speaker A:And I think is again.
Speaker A:Why would you stay in the house when your baby is appearing to be involved?
Speaker A:I can understand if it was like a couple and it was happening to that one of the parents.
Speaker A:But when it starts happening to the, like the defensive child, it's dark and then you've got the babysitter or the grandmother basically so shaken and not speaking.
Speaker A:The doctor refusing to go there.
Speaker A:The garden not even managing to grow anything.
Speaker A:I, I think it's just weird.
Speaker A:And the pram being attacked.
Speaker A:It doesn't say whether she was in it at the time.
Speaker A:And I mean that'd be even darker if she was in it whilst it happened.
Speaker A:But there is a coal shed there.
Speaker A:So we, we will be going in the coal shed.
Speaker B:It's nice.
Speaker B:I've been in one of the things that.
Speaker A:It's horrible.
Speaker B:It's horrible to go out there on my own.
Speaker B:One of the things that kind of, again, for contradictory sources on this story is this, this story, obviously again, there'd be different versions of this story, but the timeline.
Speaker B: So These moved in: Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B: y all means they moved out in: Speaker B:They weren't there.
Speaker B:Long and different stories.
Speaker B:A lot of stories say that.
Speaker B:A lot of versions say that Richard then moved in.
Speaker B:But the story we've been reading from, been telling in this episode is that they move until 666.
Speaker B:But this is a full 10 years.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker B:Before that.
Speaker B:So there's this.
Speaker B:Whether they were the next family.
Speaker B:People believe that they were.
Speaker B:There's no mention of anyone or any knowledge of anybody that lived in between.
Speaker B:If it was a different family that lived there before the pit charts, it's this again, this weird mixed up timeline that doesn't.
Speaker B:The stories don't tie up into each other.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:When you're sort of looking back over it, it's very confusing.
Speaker B:Very, very confusing.
Speaker A:And social housing, it mentioned that they were on the waiting list for subsidized housing deferrals before they moved in.
Speaker A:So if they moved out, I'm pretty sure that somebody else would have been in there.
Speaker A:Because usually you get a couple of weeks people, you move out and within a couple of weeks another family's in.
Speaker A:Certainly nowadays I know that because it's.
Speaker A:It's just the way social housing is so short.
Speaker A:But back then, if they were on a waiting list, chances are there was loads of people queuing up for that house.
Speaker A:And I wonder if other people had issues there, but because it meant coming out of social housing, whether they just put up with it or that they weren't bad enough.
Speaker A:So like, I've got things happen here, you've got stuff happening at your place.
Speaker A:Mine are quite minor compared to this sort of stuff, but I live here on my own, so it's not like I'm not that worried about it.
Speaker A:In fact, I'm quite pleased.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker B:House, yes.
Speaker A:Honestly, when I found out, it's just like, you can see.
Speaker A:The letting agent was essentially didn't want to tell me what had happened in here.
Speaker A:And then we got outside and I looked at Sarah and I said, she died in there, didn't she?
Speaker A:Sarah's like, yeah.
Speaker A:I was just like, yes, potential haunted place.
Speaker A:And then weird stuff has happened and I'm like, oh, this is good.
Speaker A:And then I stay here every night on my own.
Speaker A:Obviously, when Sarah's not down, I'm here on my own and it's all right.
Speaker A:I hear things like weird, but it could be house stuff.
Speaker A:I'm still getting used to that, what the sounds are and whatnot, but.
Speaker A:So I wonder if some people just put up with it, didn't even recognize it as anything other than just the house noises.
Speaker A:Because, as you know, you go to a house and there might be a banging noise or a creaking noise, but.
Speaker A:And usually a person goes, oh, it's just the pipes.
Speaker A:And happens when.
Speaker A:When the place cools down in the evening.
Speaker A:And it's just a quirk of the property.
Speaker A:So maybe some people between that 55 and 66 sort of time, 55, 10 years or so, that they.
Speaker A:They just put up with it, didn't assume it was anything other.
Speaker A:Because, like you mentioned, there was no.
Speaker A:When it was Mr. Nobody and Fred, there was no real sort of thing there.
Speaker A:Obviously events were happening, but there was no.
Speaker A:There's no character like the black monk there as such.
Speaker A:There was no named character apart from Fred.
Speaker A:But I just wonder if people just didn't.
Speaker A:Didn't recognize it as paranormal.
Speaker A:Some people just oblivious to, I suppose.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:No, that's just a thought.
Speaker B:That's true.
Speaker A:So from there, if we look at the book in the movie.
Speaker A:Let's talk about that now.
Speaker A: book Poltergeist came out in: Speaker A:That really made the house and the black monk of Pontefract mainstream.
Speaker A:And like you mentioned, that became sort of the gold standard of the events that took place, whether or not that's exactly what happened, because as we found out, there are varying reports of the timeline.
Speaker A: But then we also said that in: Speaker A: And that was actually set in: Speaker A:It was directed by a guy called Pat Holden who actually grew up locally.
Speaker A:So that's quite cool.
Speaker A:And it was produced by Bill Bungay.
Speaker A:Now some people probably won't recognize the name but he is actually the owner now of 30 East Dr.
Speaker A:Which we'll come on to.
Speaker A:But film is fictional.
Speaker A:Is based on the events of the address.
Speaker A:Pat the director said he embellished the story to make it fit into a horror film template which sticking a black monk there and terrorizing people becomes quite cool story.
Speaker B:It's a kill story.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's a cool story.
Speaker A:Only got 36% on rotten tomatoes.
Speaker A:Director Pat was actually related to the Pritchards which is quite grand.
Speaker A:Only since we've been looking at this did I know that with his mother Renee Holden who was a psychic she used to spend many days and nights at home.
Speaker A:At the home.
Speaker A:Sorry.
Speaker A:Witnessing a large number of the paranormal events.
Speaker A:So yeah, super cool.
Speaker A:And I didn't realize there was that quite.
Speaker A:Quite a close connection.
Speaker A:So that sort of reinforces it a little bit more.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker B:And sort of mentioned Bill Bungay being the current owner because he's the producer to film.
Speaker B: So he bought the property in: Speaker B:Like he did like a red carpet premiere at the house.
Speaker B:Like that is pretty cool.
Speaker B:Like he just saw it was available.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:He said it was quite cheap.
Speaker B:Well I could find.
Speaker B:I knew it was so different to find that it was listed for 75 000.
Speaker B:It doesn't say that's a sole price so you may got it for a bit less.
Speaker B:And it's a decent sized house.
Speaker A:Well it's not bad.
Speaker B:They say compared to nowadays.
Speaker B:Nowadays camps house is kind of sticky when these top two downs and stuff.
Speaker B:It just is a bit more.
Speaker A:Yeah spacious.
Speaker B:And Bill said he was originally skeptical and like I said he bought the house to promote the movie.
Speaker B:But it's only upon speaking to the neighbor Carol who still lives next door and I believe works sort of look.
Speaker B:He looks after the house.
Speaker B:Who obviously doesn't live in a house.
Speaker B:It's his sort of business.
Speaker B:This is the attraction of 30s drive and she's the key holder.
Speaker B:So the next door neighbor looks after the house and sorts out the guests and stuff like that.
Speaker B:She's lived next door for years and she was her.
Speaker B:That sort of Said that the activity started up again since the house had been bought.
Speaker B:She was hearing bangs in the middle of the night, seeing shadows, seeing blue balls of energy.
Speaker B:And Bill with his own eyes he'd gone out to close the gate which said quite a heavy gate on, on the end of the drive.
Speaker B:And he put a big like brick thing in front of it to keep the gate in place like you do.
Speaker B:Turned to walk back and within moments turned back and the brick had been pushed aside and the gate was open again.
Speaker B:He had a lot of objects thrown at him including marbles, screws, balls and a domino which he witnessed materializing just a ported above the dining room table and then just projectile launched at his face.
Speaker B:He managed to dodge out the way.
Speaker B:But how mad to.
Speaker B:He says he was skeptical.
Speaker B:He just liked horror movies and stuff obviously.
Speaker B:But then upon buying the house all this stuff started happening to him.
Speaker B:So then he's then obviously then moved on to open it up to investigation teams, the private investigators to you know, make his money back on the investment.
Speaker B:Lastly yeah, with that I think you.
Speaker A:Could, could almost argue that's a very convenient happening after you just bought the house and the film comes out.
Speaker A:But now we'll be prepared to look at that.
Speaker A:So there is a website, the 30's Drive website has a log of nearly 300 reported incidents that have occurred.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker A:I can give you a rundown of a few of these.
Speaker A:So we've got TVs blaring while the house is empty.
Speaker A:A bed in Diane's old room was trashed at 4am Witnessed by Carol, I'm assuming the next door neighbor Carol, her son.
Speaker A:A figure of a man made from duvet placed on the neighbor's son's bed.
Speaker A:Six foot five.
Speaker A:Shadow of a man walking from the kitchen into the neighbor's house.
Speaker A:Missing keys found inside the big shadow.
Speaker A:I know there's a big shadow.
Speaker A:Six foot five.
Speaker A:That's massive.
Speaker B:How tall are you?
Speaker A:Six foot two.
Speaker B:Gosh.
Speaker A:So and that extra three inches is a fair height for somebody.
Speaker B:To be fair, 3 inches is a lot.
Speaker A:So I tell Sarah.
Speaker A:75% charge of phone dying suddenly glowing ball ball of blue light in the corridor as seen from a window.
Speaker A:This has been seen by a few visitors.
Speaker A:On one occasion police were called that was a passing friend of a neighbor.
Speaker A:So not anybody directly in the house at the time.
Speaker A:Columns of ice cold air.
Speaker A:A paranormal team group hear the bed moving in Philip's room and discover the bed had actually moved.
Speaker A:Another research group getting a voice response using the spirit box to who's there Monk, do you want us to leave?
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A: Then the voice says December: Speaker A:Later a piece of newspaper marked December is found under the researcher's C. So that's pretty cool.
Speaker A:Running footsteps upstairs and a growl from the cuddle bed under the stairs.
Speaker A:Witnessed by a random name.
Speaker A:Definite form passes a camera in the darkness.
Speaker A:Hundreds of these things.
Speaker A:Spirit born within unaided in response to questioning French doors in the front room open by themselves.
Speaker A:The list goes on.
Speaker A:And if you go on the website you can see all of these.
Speaker A:I don't know when they were last updated but people do get experiences all the time.
Speaker B:But we get some of these stuff happening and we go hopefully, hopefully live on our tick tock.
Speaker B:See you the paranormals.
Speaker A:I want the blue orbs, the blue balls of light.
Speaker A:That's what I want.
Speaker A:Something physical to see.
Speaker B:Funny because I've seen that.
Speaker A:It was.
Speaker B:A wave when I went was it someone else?
Speaker B:And we saw that in room five.
Speaker B:It was finished with Karen I think it was.
Speaker B:And I saw the blue like there's a blue light bare mining like in the dark in this room.
Speaker B:And we both sort of facing to the left of the room sat on the bed and I saw this light go from the sort of bathroom door to the right towards the where the rocking horses by the window.
Speaker B:Just this blue ball of light and camera's like I just saw like something light.
Speaker B:I was like I just seen it was.
Speaker B:I was like.
Speaker B:She didn't really see properly.
Speaker B:She just saw like a flash or something.
Speaker B:Because I saw the ball of light moving like in a determined way like from one place to.
Speaker B:To another.
Speaker A:That's cool.
Speaker B:It's like what, what are these blue balls alike?
Speaker B:Like a bit like what's that film?
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:I think I'm making it up.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:There's a film with blue bars and light.
Speaker A:I don't know but it's a.
Speaker A:It's all also that's like a classic haunting thing but it's also a classic UFO related type weird paranormal.
Speaker A:So Lou Elizondo said he witnessed like orbs of light going through his house once he'd been to Skinwalker Ranch.
Speaker A:So seems to be part of the phenomena.
Speaker A:So yeah, no, you got things like.
Speaker B:The Hestarland lights and the ones in Columbia and the mountains and the Texas forest lights.
Speaker B:Again a lot of panel activity and these balls of light at the same time or in the same place.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:So hopefully we'll get, get some of that.
Speaker A:So that's all the juicy gossip and all the juicy story.
Speaker A:Maybe we should put the skeptical hat on.
Speaker A:So there we go.
Speaker B:Got me black robe.
Speaker B:Got me black robe.
Speaker B:Skeptical hat on.
Speaker A:I could almost.
Speaker A:I can almost do it.
Speaker A:That as well.
Speaker B:There we go.
Speaker B:Where the black monster to the paranormal.
Speaker A:So the first skeptical red flag is the black monk himself.
Speaker A:There's no solid historical evidence that a monk was executed on or even near the property.
Speaker A:No contemporary records, no burial site.
Speaker A:But what's interesting is that this identity doesn't appear at the start of the case.
Speaker A:It develops later on like we mentioned after the Pritchard's wedding and moved out.
Speaker B:They never meant biggest red flag.
Speaker A:Biggest red flag.
Speaker A:Second issue is who the activity centres on.
Speaker A:Almost everything dramatic revolves around the kids.
Speaker A:It's important because classic polka cases around the world overwhelmingly involve adolescents.
Speaker A:And skeptics aren't saying they faked it in a simple way.
Speaker A:They're pointing to stress, emotional pressure, subconscious behavior and sometimes attention seeking.
Speaker A:All of which are far more common than supernatural explanations.
Speaker B:So like if you compare it to like Enfield.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker B:You gotta remember this happened 10 years before the endfield.
Speaker A:Yes, it did.
Speaker B:I didn't sort of realize how much this predated because everyone knows anything point more than this one.
Speaker B:And this is 10 years before that.
Speaker B:And obviously some of the girls admitted to faking some of the stuff that happened.
Speaker B:Yes they did with them.
Speaker B:And it could be similar here where stuff was happening but kids being kids.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Have played in it a bit more.
Speaker B:Or it could be psychological.
Speaker B:Like we say all this stress on the personal stress of being a teenager and all the hormones and this happening in your house and stuff happening to you that is going to mess with you.
Speaker B:That could like the stress and that could lead to this.
Speaker B:What could explain a lot of poltergeist activity even more.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:That's one of the things I talked about at festival and ASAP was around the emotional stress being a manifestation and coming out as.
Speaker A:As paranormal sort of activity.
Speaker A:So yeah this lends itself to that as well.
Speaker A:Typical age kid 13, 14, 15s.
Speaker A:Emotional pressure moving into a new house.
Speaker A:And in fact if you take back.
Speaker A:Go back to something that you said, it's like they went away on holiday without taking the sun.
Speaker A:That's a bit harsh.
Speaker A:It all happened and all started when they went away.
Speaker A:So he was there.
Speaker A:So maybe that emotional would have been really pissed off.
Speaker A:He.
Speaker A:He manifested it.
Speaker A:So that's.
Speaker A:That's very, very possible.
Speaker A:But who knows?
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It's so wild.
Speaker A:So wild.
Speaker B:And the next problem we've got with this case is the investigation itself.
Speaker B:And despite how famous the case become, there was never a period of like strict control.
Speaker B:There's been no sort of dedicated.
Speaker B:Let's hire it for six months and signal all the cameras in 24 7.
Speaker B:Let's do these proper scientific investigations.
Speaker B:There's been none of that.
Speaker B:No constant filming, no sealed rooms, no multiple independent observers watching the same event at the same time.
Speaker B:It's lots of different things happening to different people.
Speaker B:And like we mentioned, there's so many discrepancies in the activity that's happening when it's happening.
Speaker B:The timeline is so muddled up.
Speaker B:Like to put this together, the timeline before, I was like, I don't even, I'll start with this timeline because I don't know what's true.
Speaker B:I was sort of going one pick that timeline and then just sort of like I say it's all there, it's all, it's all sort of corrected in a way, in whichever way you want to kind of read it.
Speaker B:And then just the physical phenomena, objects being thrown, beds moving, scratches, pain on people or dramatic.
Speaker B:But none of it captured in a way that ruled out human involvement.
Speaker B:When Diane got pulled up the stairs, then these fingerprints appeared on the throat.
Speaker B:Where's the foot?
Speaker B:Like there's no photo of that.
Speaker B:There's no, you know, in the family saying that happened.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like even with me.
Speaker B:So my, my case that I talked about on here when I got pushed in my basement.
Speaker B:There's a handprint on my back.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker B:Where I'd been pushed.
Speaker B:But at least we got the photos of that and we got the video of that because we were filming at the time.
Speaker B:So got some kind of evidence.
Speaker B:Like if I just said that, I be like I want to believe it but I have the evidence.
Speaker B:And there was people there that saw it happen or kind of obviously didn't see it happen but saw me reacting to it happening.
Speaker B:And then this is happening on the back when we took that footage immediately afterwards.
Speaker B:So we've got that.
Speaker B:But for this, especially for this kind of very, very dramatic event, there's nothing, there's no evidence whatsoever really for this.
Speaker B:And it wasn't like he's in the 20s or something.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:It wasn't common people to have cameras or stuff like that was better than to pick out a big ass video.
Speaker B:You know what I mean?
Speaker B:But still there's, there's still, there's nothing at all.
Speaker A:It's interesting because we, you can mirror this with the, the Enfield case.
Speaker A:And you can say there are similarities, but obviously not similarities in the fact that this ramped up super quick.
Speaker A:Within days it was getting wild.
Speaker A:Where and no evidence whatsoever, the Enfield Polkgeist case, Morris Gross and Guy Lion Playfair essentially moved in with cameras, recording equipment, everything.
Speaker A:And for days and months and over a year that they were essentially moved in documenting everything that happened.
Speaker A:So although the girls may have faked some of it and they admitted to doing so and they were caught doing so, the other stuff that happened that was documented on camera, on recordings, massively outweighs this.
Speaker A:It essentially is just a family story.
Speaker A: years prior to: Speaker A:But yeah, I think also it lends itself to further.
Speaker A:They didn't really push us too much themselves as a family.
Speaker A:So maybe it is more believable even though there's less or no evidence because the Enfield case, the mum, she went straight to the local or the national press, hence why the SPR and everybody and Morris Gross and everybody came to investigate.
Speaker A:So maybe if the Pritchards had sort of escalated it themselves there and have police reports and such like, then there might have been a bit more evidence captured even in.
Speaker A:In the course of like police reports, what and whatnot.
Speaker A:But it's a bit of.
Speaker A:I think we're also looking at it from how we would investigate stuff nowadays.
Speaker A:Nowadays everybody's got a camera, everybody's got a phone with a camera.
Speaker A:So there's no real excuse not to capture some.
Speaker A:Something regardless of what it is, you should be able to capture something.
Speaker A:Back then there was no mobile phones.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker A:Not until, not till the mid-90s the mobile phones were popular really.
Speaker A:And they didn't even have cameras till sort of the late, the late 90s really.
Speaker A:So you can rule that out.
Speaker A:They just probably had a Polaroid camera of those little point and click and then you have to wait two weeks for it to be delivered.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:Many different times I suppose it just.
Speaker A:Yeah, I mean nowadays it'd be live streamed every night.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And it is.
Speaker A:People live stream from there.
Speaker B:So yeah, we, we will be on Tik Tok see the paranormal and kind of one of the key things as well.
Speaker B:I saw the skeptic side of it and we've mentioned it multiple times in this episode.
Speaker B:The story just changes.
Speaker B:The early accounts of what happened are much less extreme than later versions as like as the books and TV shows and documentaries came along, the case became darker, more violent and, and more detailed and like calling it the poltergeist as well.
Speaker A:This.
Speaker B:It doesn't have that many similarities to other port gas cases because like many podcast cases relate sort of one person or one family and it sort of ends with them.
Speaker B:Whereas this is carried on in this house after they moved before it was there, before they were there.
Speaker B:It's carried on afterwards they saw the events that happened.
Speaker B:Don't.
Speaker B:There's obviously lots of light, some poor guy stuff.
Speaker B:But there's a lot of stuff that you don't associate with poltergeist cases.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so do think that kind of the name poltergeist doesn't sort of fit whatever this entity is.
Speaker B:There was jokey things happening with it.
Speaker B:Shadow being caught like hot guys.
Speaker B:You don't tend to sort of have any sort of physical form.
Speaker B:Like I see where there's been shadow figure multiple times seen.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:With.
Speaker B:With this one.
Speaker A:Strange.
Speaker A:So it doesn't.
Speaker A:It sort of.
Speaker A:It's got hints of classic paranormal stuff but doesn't fit the mold.
Speaker A: nk if this happened from like: Speaker A:What's that?
Speaker A:That's 70 years.
Speaker A:72 years this year that they first moved in.
Speaker A:So you kind of like.
Speaker A:So what.
Speaker A:What is it?
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It's more than just a poltergeist.
Speaker A:It can't.
Speaker A:It's not a pole guys.
Speaker A:In what we understand to be apologized.
Speaker A:Unless it is.
Speaker A:Unless we just don't.
Speaker A:Don't realize.
Speaker A:I mean the Enfield house people live in now and it stopped pretty much as soon as it as like quickly as it began.
Speaker A:It stopped like 18 months later and nothing else was reported there.
Speaker A:There's people living there now.
Speaker A:So I mean I would be renting now.
Speaker A:Oh I would go there in a heartbeat.
Speaker B:Oh yeah.
Speaker B:Oh my God.
Speaker B:Give me so much money.
Speaker A:That would.
Speaker A:That's probably the most iconic, well known paranormal location and documented paranormal location ever.
Speaker A:That's not like a castle or not like a private residence.
Speaker A:Anyway.
Speaker A:So yeah it's it.
Speaker A:I mean the black monk coming along after the Pritchards moved out.
Speaker A:That's kind of nails it for me.
Speaker A:The film coming out and this guy buying the house to promote it, which I get.
Speaker A:But then all of a sudden things start ramping up and he's.
Speaker A:He's cashing in on it and quite.
Speaker B:He's been silent for years.
Speaker B:Decades potentially have nothing happening.
Speaker B:Then he buys it.
Speaker B:He's got a vested interest let's say.
Speaker B:And now he saw all the Activity started up again weirdly.
Speaker B:Very, very convenient.
Speaker A:Yeah, very convenient.
Speaker A:So, I mean, there's so many people have so many experiences there that it's hard to not.
Speaker A:It's hard to just knock it down and say nothing's there.
Speaker A:Something's happening.
Speaker A:Whether or not it's the people going there that generate that part.
Speaker B:Possible.
Speaker A:Or there is an entity there.
Speaker A:I guess we will.
Speaker A:We will find out on Monday, so hope we get some.
Speaker B:Hopefully we will.
Speaker A:Dark stuff there.
Speaker A:We're not allowed to do a seance there.
Speaker A:We're not allowed to do a Ouija board.
Speaker B:Not allowed to do a seance?
Speaker A:Nope.
Speaker B:How.
Speaker B:How they know if you don't film it?
Speaker A:Good question.
Speaker A:Good question.
Speaker B:They won't know what.
Speaker B:What they don't know don't hurt them.
Speaker A:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker A:As long as we don't film us doing it, we'll be all right.
Speaker B:But we'll film it.
Speaker B:Just won't release it straight away.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:It'S.
Speaker A:It's one of those iconic places that I cannot wait to get to.
Speaker A:I can't wait for you to experience it and go in there.
Speaker B:I'm so excited.
Speaker A:And the thing is, I've got all.
Speaker B:My stuff ready to get.
Speaker B:Make sure the charged up and yeah, it's literally in a matter of days we'll be there.
Speaker A:I've got charge up everything I've got.
Speaker A:I'm only looking over there because I put some pieces of equipment out in my place the other day.
Speaker A:I bought.
Speaker A:I put out the Andy guy's mag enviromag thing, whatever it is that tells you the.
Speaker A:The positive or negative change in magnetic field or whatever it's called.
Speaker A:We won that festival.
Speaker A:The Unexplained.
Speaker A:And we've got the boot.
Speaker A:Cause we've got all that.
Speaker A:Be interesting to see what happens with the vu.
Speaker A:Cause see what we get there.
Speaker A:Let's see what we get there.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Oh, I'm super excited.
Speaker A:I've got my torch.
Speaker B:I'm gonna.
Speaker A:So we've got a plan that bring the MacBook.
Speaker A:What we can do is we can live TikTok with the camera from the MacBook all night.
Speaker A:But also we can use other cameras, can't we?
Speaker A:As part of the thing, Potentially as part of it.
Speaker A:Maybe overnight we can.
Speaker A:We can just have it filming while we're.
Speaker A:While we're asleep.
Speaker B:Yes, definitely.
Speaker A:In the living room or something like that.
Speaker B:What's the seat?
Speaker B:What's the bedding arrangements?
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:How many bedrooms is there?
Speaker A:There's three bedrooms.
Speaker A:It's like two Doubles in a single bed.
Speaker A:Bedroom.
Speaker B:Okay, so guess the nobel I be.
Speaker A:Well, I think when the girls went, they all just stayed in the same room and just all crashed out in the same room.
Speaker A:So depending on what happens that night, we might all be doing that, I suppose.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Real cuddle, Greg.
Speaker A:Yeah, I'm up for spooning.
Speaker A:Don't you worry about that.
Speaker A:But it might be that we just don't get any sleep.
Speaker A:That's the other thing is that it's going wild.
Speaker B:Hopefully.
Speaker A:Hopefully that's the dream.
Speaker A:So we'll have to make sure we have a bit of a kip in the after.
Speaker A:Are you at work?
Speaker B:I might sketch her in early so we will have a bit of a nap before because I've been up early as well.
Speaker B:Yeah, so we'll have a. I'm on earliest now.
Speaker B:So we'll have a. I'll have a couple of hours before we head up.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Cool.
Speaker A:Oh, exciting, exciting.
Speaker B:So listeners, I want to know what you guys think.
Speaker B:If you made it this far, hopefully you've learned something different or new about this case.
Speaker B:Maybe it's maybe thinking a little bit differently about what you thought you knew.
Speaker B:So definitely changed my kind of opinions on it.
Speaker B:Sort of doing.
Speaker B:Looking to the different aspects that you don't use.
Speaker B:Hear a lot of podcasts that YouTube videos that you watch.
Speaker B:There's a lot of stuff I don't mention some of the stuff we talked about.
Speaker B:So yeah, let us know is it.
Speaker B:Did it happen?
Speaker B:What's the reason behind Hortens found what happened in the 60s and beyond?
Speaker B:Let us know in the comments or just inbox us on social media or tik tok through the paranormal.
Speaker A:Yeah, all exciting.
Speaker A:And we'll.
Speaker A:The next episode we'll have to do a quick recap.
Speaker A:Of course.
Speaker A:We'll have a. Yeah, a debrief.
Speaker A:We'll get the girls on.
Speaker A:We'll have a debrief about what happened.
Speaker A:Hopefully it won't just be out and.
Speaker B:Hopefully have some footage we can show as well.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Catch us live though.
Speaker A:I cannot express how excited I am to live stream from a location like that.
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker A:It's another level of I'm super excited.
Speaker A:I'm super excited and I can't wait.
Speaker B:We're excited for our viewers like we have.
Speaker B:We have the community on Tick Tock and that join us on every live and I'm looking forward for them to be able to join it.
Speaker B:Join with us.
Speaker B:Yeah, get, get them involved.
Speaker B:Get the viewers involved.
Speaker B:Ask them what they want us to do.
Speaker B:What Questions to ask, what investigations, what experiments to do.
Speaker B:We'll be guided by.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:The viewers throughout the.
Speaker B:Throughout the night as well.
Speaker A:And I think that's one of the.
Speaker A:The great things that.
Speaker A:That helps us on our live streams is the community.
Speaker A:In the comments that we.
Speaker A:People were asking us to go.
Speaker A:I saw something to the left, I saw something to the right or turn around, there was something there or I heard a noise.
Speaker A:It really helps everybody be part of that.
Speaker A:That private investigation is definitely.
Speaker A:It's bad, it's mad.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:Can't wait.
Speaker A:And the thing is I'm bursting.
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker A:And I haven't.
Speaker A:I'll be seeing you again.
Speaker A:I haven't.
Speaker A:I really.
Speaker A:When was the last time I saw you?
Speaker A:Was only a couple of months ago.
Speaker A:Month ago.
Speaker A:It was a Spook and Spirit end of November.
Speaker B:So we're not doing investigation together for a while.
Speaker A:No, we haven't.
Speaker A:No, we haven't.
Speaker A:We were going to go back to Spook and Spirit first weren't we and do that.
Speaker A:That life.
Speaker A:Did you?
Speaker B:I did but.
Speaker A:So I know it's bloody cold that night as well.
Speaker B:Oh my God.
Speaker B:Oh my days.
Speaker A:But yeah.
Speaker A:So it'd be great to do an investigation and.
Speaker A:Because the last time just.
Speaker A:I say just me and you but we've done it with the girls.
Speaker A:Was the last time we were together doing an investigation.
Speaker A:I was at Priest Cottage.
Speaker B:Is that the last time?
Speaker A:I think so.
Speaker A:I think so.
Speaker A:And we had some wild stuff happen there with the laugh.
Speaker B:But this Monday, this, this.
Speaker B:I keep saying Monday.
Speaker B:Next week's A30tr kicks off kind of a month of investigation.
Speaker B:We're very busy.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:We've got lots coming up in the next few weeks.
Speaker B:Like we're going to be at least four in the space of three weeks.
Speaker B:We'll be doing investigations.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Together.
Speaker B:Together.
Speaker B:And on and on.
Speaker B:Tick tock.
Speaker A:And we've got some really cool places.
Speaker A:There's a place I've never been to as well.
Speaker A:Coming.
Speaker A:Are we gonna say.
Speaker A:Are we.
Speaker B:No, we'll keep it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:As far as we can.
Speaker B:We did a couple of places we like to go to.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I'm also going to a brand new place which is kind of famous.
Speaker B:If you're in the panel field you may have heard of it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:It's probably not as famous as obviously 30 driveway and filled that.
Speaker B:So I know people know about.
Speaker B:But you're going to Par North.
Speaker B:Philip probably do know this.
Speaker B:One of the places we're going to which is new for all of us.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:So that's on in second week of February.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So, yeah, so we got this next week and end of January, first week of February, we've got two places we're going to be doing investigations from.
Speaker B:Joined by Kayla Ford from Paranormal Water Podcast as well.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And to investigate girls.
Speaker B:Then we're back with just to investigate girls at this other location the week after.
Speaker B:So, yeah, three weeks of.
Speaker B:Yeah, investigations is going to be fun.
Speaker B:And then driving all over the country to these places.
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker A:And then you guys kind of come down south.
Speaker A:Think you're coming down south at some point in February.
Speaker A:Yeah, some point.
Speaker A:To.
Speaker A:To have a look at the places down here.
Speaker A:We've got like the folly, we've got.
Speaker A:Got the long barrows, these Neolithic burial grounds and, oh, exciting times.
Speaker A:And then the weather's going to start getting better and you'll be out a lot.
Speaker B:I'll be out a lot more.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I definitely want to go more and explore more of Delamere.
Speaker A:I think that place just does something.
Speaker A:I love it there.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker B:And a man can it.
Speaker A:We've got to do kernels as well.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:So, so many great places and you can follow all of this across social media.
Speaker A:We will post everything but for the live streams and to join us as it happens.
Speaker A:That's TikTok.
Speaker B:So do the paranormal.
Speaker A:Yes, indeed.
Speaker B:Follow.
Speaker B:Click.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then if you're watching this and you've made it this far, you'll be watching us hopefully on YouTube.
Speaker A:So all our episodes this, this year have been on.
Speaker A:On YouTube as well, the video format, which is.
Speaker B:Yeah, look at our pretty faces.
Speaker A:Exactly, exactly.
Speaker A:But yeah, it is.
Speaker A:It's just a wild time.
Speaker A:This year's gonna be massive for us.
Speaker A:We're seeing some great growth on.
Speaker A:On social media.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And we've.
Speaker A:We've had one of our strongest download days for a long time.
Speaker A:A growth spurt yesterday, in fact.
Speaker A: ent, something from the early: Speaker A:The future's bright.
Speaker A:The future's orange.
Speaker B:Future.
Speaker B:TikTok green.
Speaker A:Perfect.
Speaker A:TikTok green.
Speaker A:Cool.
Speaker A:Nice one.
Speaker B:Anyway, Greg, I will see you next week.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:30.
Speaker A:Easter and also Sunday night.
Speaker A:It might be a little cheesy live.
Speaker A:So we will see Secret.
Speaker A:Can I have my social media guys?
Speaker B:See you later.
Speaker B:Bye.
Speaker B:Let us know what you think.
Speaker A:Yes.
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