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What would they have to do to convince you that

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they were real? Yeah, it's going to have to be

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a full -bodied apparition. It's going to have

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to be something being picked up in front of me,

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moving in an impossible way for me to be able

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to believe it. Being spoken to directly by some

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unseen presence, maybe that would sway me. But

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even then, I think I was probably going mad.

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But I'd, I'd almost certainly need to see it

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and, and capture it on camera so I could review

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it as well. I don't do it to be a dick. Um, you

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know, I do it for my love for the paranormal.

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Uh, and, and I wouldn't say hate, but the dislike

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for, for people that take people for a ride.

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Um, so yeah, I'm glad you realize, um, realize

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that and you can respect what we do. Uh, and

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I appreciate that. I appreciate all the support

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that I get for being at a bunker. You're listening

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to Pursuit of the Paranormal podcast with your

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hosts, Ash Ellis and Greg Tomlinson. Hey Ash,

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how you doing? Very well, Greg, Greg, Greg, Greg.

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How are you? Yeah, I'm really good. I'm really

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good. I'm trying to think what we've been up

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to since the last episode. You went Oxford. We

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were in Oxford. That's right. That's right. We

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were in Oxford. We took you on a bit of a tour

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of... West Kennet Longbarrow. We went crop circle

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hunting. We did. I was like, please let's find

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this crop circle. That was there a few weeks

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ago, but it wasn't. No, it wasn't. And then we

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went to Wayland Smivy. JRR Tolkien's inspiration

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for Lord of the Rings stuff. To another Longbarrow

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there. We went to Oxford. We did. Sightseeing

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in Oxford. Where else did we go? We didn't even

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make it up to the folly next to me in the end.

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No, no, we went to the church in the abandoned

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village. Yep. I went to the cemetery. Went to

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the cemetery. Yeah. It was good. It was really

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fun. We really enjoyed it. Yeah, it was really

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good. It was really good. And then we tried to

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get a mac is at the end of the day and we're

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like two o 'clock in the morning and failed.

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Even though it's actually four hours. Yeah. So

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yeah, no, it's been a wild couple of weeks. So

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Yeah, no, it's been really good. It was good

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for you to come down and see some of the places

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that are live stream from Me and Sarah. So yeah,

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that's really cool. That's really cool. So we

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had another debunker on this evening So we've

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just finished the conversation. We had a great

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in -depth conversation with Mike from real evidence

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paranormal Yeah, and if anybody listened to the

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beard Oh episode Mike is along the similar lines

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as beard Oh in what he does in educating people

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on content that's out there that is either fake,

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isn't right, or blatant bullshit. So we had a

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really good conversation with him about his history,

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why he got into it, why he does what he does,

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which is essentially for the love of the paranormal.

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Even though he's not had any experiences in himself,

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he still has his lifelong. Kind of love for the

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paranormal which is different. Usually people

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have had some sort of experience Yeah, he's not

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really had any real ones, which he'll talk about.

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Yeah So without further ado, we'll just go straight

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into it. Yeah, enjoy So Mike, welcome along.

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How are you? Good evening. Yes. I'm very well.

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Thank you. That's very well indeed Yeah, thanks

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for joining us. You're a channel that I came

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across some I don't know how many months ago

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beginning of the year, I think And you're the

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second debunker that we've had on in recent weeks.

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We've had Beardy on and we've now got you on.

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And we are a channel and podcast that like chatting

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to everybody. We don't, we talk to people about

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reincarnation, past lives, SLS. Authors and deceased

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authors of books that are right in books with

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their son -in -law who's in the the living We

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speak to all sorts of people so It's nice to

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have a debunker on To get your point of view

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on the paranormal and I know that you're also

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a paranormal investigator. Yep, which Some people

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might say is a bit of a strange combination because

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some people in the paranormal blindly believe.

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Some people complete skeptics. So it's good to

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have somebody on that. I'm assuming you believe

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in the paranormal. I'm somebody that wants to

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believe in the paranormal very, very badly. See,

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the thought of death has done for many, many

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years. The older I get, the more it kind of your

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mortality. is quite a normal thought for me to

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have on quite a regular basis. And yeah, it scares

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the death out of me. Sorry for the pun. So for

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me to find proof of the paranormal would give

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me so much comfort knowing that there's something

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else after we pass. Um, so yeah, so I just thought,

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right, well, a lot of the crap I'm watching on

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YouTube is crap. It's fake. And you don't know

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who to trust these days. So I thought the only

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way we're going to find out is if we go out and

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do it ourselves. So three years ago, uh, me and

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my friend Adrian, uh, who I worked with at the

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time, We were both well, I mean I've always been

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into the paranormal since since my since my teens

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really since Since well like most people when

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most haunted started on TV I mean, I'm sure you

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probably get that quite a lot seems to be quite

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a regular thing, but yeah, I I fell in love with

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most haunted and I watched it religiously and

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Um, I, it was not long before I started going

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out with, uh, who is my wife now. Um, she used

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to pick me up from my mates at eight 30, we used

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to get back to her mom's house at nine o 'clock.

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And that was when most haunted was starting for

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the night, the reruns. And I'd literally watch

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it every night and I was obsessed and. I believed

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it all. Just like most people, I believed everything

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and I got so invested in it. And yeah. And then.

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I kind of got into music. As I spoke to you before

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I was into music, I was into DJing and music

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production. And I actually went on and did music

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production for 20 years. So kind of paranormal

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took a back seat. Tele took a back seat. Films

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took a back seat. Everything took a back seat.

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Even friends took a back seat. I was just so

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focused on music. Yeah, a couple of years ago,

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it got to the point where it's just like, look,

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I'm not, I'm not getting to where I want to be

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with music. I mean, I had, I had some releases

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on some really big labels, but I never just broke

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through as big as I wanted to. So music took

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a backseat and I was working with Adrian one

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day and he said, Oh, if you, I've been watching

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some paranormal recently. And I was like, Oh,

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I used to love paranormal. He's like, yeah, I've

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been watching a few channels on YouTube. One

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of them was Dark Arts. And there was Twin Paranormal

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was on the list. And we was watching these channels

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and we're just like, well, this is mad. Like

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these guys are getting like activity like every

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video and it's popping off. So we were we were

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kind of, you know, watching paranormal videos

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for a couple of months and we were, you know,

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comparing uh with each other and and talking

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about it at work and um yeah one day I can't

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remember whether it was me or agent we just turned

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around to each other and be like that that'd

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be a good laugh wouldn't it going out and and

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and searching for the paranormal he goes yeah

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I wouldn't mind doing it actually uh he goes

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you know we we'll need all the equipment and

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stuff I said well no not really we've got phones

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You know, we've got phones. We can get some cat

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balls. They're well cheap, you know, and got

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rem pod as well. In fact, I made our rem pods.

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I actually made our rem. They were homemade rem

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pods that they're just you can get the the the

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door handle sensors and then you can obviously

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it works on the same same way. So you just stick

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it inside a black box basically. And that's pretty

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much I've got it down here, I think. just get

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out of here um these ones you know these ones

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the old cheapos uh but that's how they're all

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made they're all made the same way um so yeah

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i made a couple of those add some cat balls um

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we had spirit talker good old spirit talker and

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uh i think the first place we did was um was

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a tunnel uh in northamptonshire if i'm if i don't

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if i remember right so We tried to do an investigation

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in this tunnel. We had the app going off, which

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is nothing out of the ordinary. We was doing

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some EVP sessions, had some cat balls out. The

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cat balls were going off a little bit. RemPod

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didn't really go off, but it just, I don't know,

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it felt flat. And then we did the second investigation

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and that was flat. And then the third, that was

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flat. And nothing seemed to be happening. And

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then we kind of turned to each other and we was

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just like, something's not right here. We, we

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did something wrong because we're watching twin

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paranormal every Sunday night at nine o 'clock

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and, and they're, everything's going off for

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them. What are we doing wrong? And then over

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the next couple of weeks, the penny kind of started

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to drop. And we were just like, I think these

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guys are talking out their ass and, um, And then

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we kind of was on the search then for like, oh,

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twin paranormal debunked. And that's when Beardo

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popped up and then we started watching Beardo.

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And yeah, before you know it, our dreams were

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shattered. And yeah, we found out that 95 % of

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the people we're watching were just full of it.

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So, yeah, so. That was kind of the time where

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we started investigating and we got rid of all

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the devices, maybe apart from the K2, which eventually

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we got rid of that as well. We just literally

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went raw with the investigations, literally cameras,

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microphones, and that was it. And it was so refreshing,

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actually, really refreshing because you're actually,

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your ears and your eyes tune in a lot more to

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the surroundings when you're not concentrating

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on devices. So, yeah, so that's how we carried

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on really, um, for the next two and a half years.

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I mean, we, we did about a hundred, I think I'm

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getting up to about 110 investigations now. Um,

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so I like to think I know what I'm doing. Um,

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but yeah, unfortunately, Adrian had a change

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of job. Um, he got a season ticket for Oxford

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United. So Sun, yeah, I know bless him. So Sunday

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was his only kind of day of not doing anything.

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And that was the day that we went out investigating.

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So unfortunately he knocked it on the head and

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that's when, you know, two became one, not in

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that way, but yeah. So obviously it became difficult

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for me, um, to get out every weekend, uh, especially

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by yourself. I mean, a lot of these abandoned

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places we're doing. uh, were dodgy with two of

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you, let alone one of you. And a lot of places

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where we're getting locked up. So some nights

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we would, we would be driving about for three,

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four hours, check out about seven or eight places,

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none of them accessible. And it was a complete

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nightmare. Um, and that started to take its toll

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on our patients with it as well. Um, I think

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that was kind of the final nail in the coffin

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for Adrian. Um, so yeah, so it got to the point

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where I couldn't go out every week. And so I

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was like, right, I want to keep the channel going.

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You know, I want it to be still paranormal based.

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I still want to get out when I can. But what

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can I do, you know, to contribute to the paranormal

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niche, the paranormal community? And then, yeah,

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it just dawned on me, right, I'm going to start

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calling out the bullshit. That's, you know, that's...

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That's the only really way other than going out

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investigating. That's the only other, you know,

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helpful input I can have to the community. So,

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yeah. So I chose a couple of videos, press record,

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and that was it. The new era of real evidence

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began. And yeah, that's, and that's, that's,

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that's where I am at the minute. Very long winded

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answer for your very short question, but uh that

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uh that wasted 20 minutes for you no that's cool

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but so going back a little step you said you

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were you got into most haunted and i think everybody

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does we we speak at conferences and we always

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reference most horny because everybody does and

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you can look around and i don't think there's

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a single person in rooms when we're speaking

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that hasn't watched and enjoyed most haunted

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yeah at the time that was the only thing that

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see like you said you at that point you you can't

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tell whether it's real or fake because that's

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your only point of reference yeah so in those

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early days when you're watching those had you

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had any paranormal experiences or phenomena happen

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to you that you go that was a bit weird no no

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i've literally i think i'd never had any experiences

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in my teens, but in my 20s, I was sat in my living

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room, in my little corner of the living room,

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the PC making some music. And I was sat there

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in the chair like this. And all of a sudden,

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my chair got pulled back like that in the living

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room. And I was just like, what the fuck was

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that? I was blazed out of my head at this point.

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It must be just my imagination. Anyway, I woke

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up the next day and I thought back to it and

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I was like, that was really weird what happened

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last night. I've never had anything like that

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happen to me. Then I started to think, maybe

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there's something in the building with us that's

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done that. Then I turned on the news and apparently...

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there was an earthquake, a mini earthquake that

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night before. And I think they said it was around

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1 a .m. in the morning. And that coincided was

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when my chair went like that. So I kind of just

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put it down to that, basically. I mean, it might

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not have been, but it seemed like a very good

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coincidence that that had happened. So yeah,

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so I had that again. sitting at the same desk

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probably about a year later. I had my headphones

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on because I always used to produce through my

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headphones because it was late at night as well.

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And I just pressed stop on the play button. And

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I heard this in my ear. Don't know what that

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was to this day again. I was you know, I've been

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smoking the old devil's lettuce So I just I put

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it down to that but other than those two things

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No, I've not had anything that's that's kind

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of made me think. Oh, maybe there is something

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I mean we've we've had a few things in in locations

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like like what sounds like footsteps and things

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like that, but I don't know. When I get things

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like that, then I start going through things

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in my head. What could it have been? The night

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that we got the footsteps in this building, they

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were on locked off cameras. So we were outside

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having a break. So we knew it wasn't coming from

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us, but it was close to fireworks night. So we

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were thinking, oh, maybe there was like going

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on in the background. So, yeah. So that didn't

00:18:24.809 --> 00:18:27.809
convince me either. But yeah, I've never had

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any experience that will cement it for me that

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the paranormal is real. But I have a really good

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time searching for it. And I just hope that one

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of these days I'll have an experience that will

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put me on the full unbeliever side of the fence.

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I mean, my mother, she's had quite a few experiences.

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And obviously I trust my mum, she wouldn't lie

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to me. But she's had a few weird things happen

00:19:05.529 --> 00:19:08.089
to her. But yeah, I don't know. I just haven't

00:19:08.089 --> 00:19:12.569
been that lucky yet. So it is what it is. But

00:19:12.569 --> 00:19:15.210
you won't find it. Well, I say you won't find

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it unless you go out looking for it. But a lot

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of the people that have had these experiences,

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it's just happened at the most mundane moments.

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uh and takes them completely by surprise so i

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don't know i don't know we'll just have to see

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what about in terms of obviously all the videos

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you've watched like many and many videos of other

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channels and stuff yeah has there been certain

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videos or evidence that you've seen on there's

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where you thought actually that one i can't explain

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would would something like that obviously it's

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hard to when you not experience it yourself yeah

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is there any that you see where you think that

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could be where i'm leaning towards it being I

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mean, I don't know. This has probably been mentioned

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to you before, but the Griff's chest compression

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at 30 East Drive was very weird for me. I'm not

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sure how you would even go about explaining that

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unless it was some kind of like body convulsion

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or something, but I don't know. It actually looked

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like he was pressed into the bed, which was very

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strange. Obviously, I think that... again, with

00:20:20.799 --> 00:20:22.660
the Ouija brothers when they that the I love

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you house. I'm sure you guys probably know about

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that when they were getting those crazy what

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sounded like DVPs in the building. I think that

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was somebody messing with them through the intercom.

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So I don't know that. No, I don't. There's not

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really been anything that's convinced me, to

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be honest, even with the teams that I trust.

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I mean, they've caught some very interesting

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things, but nothing that's that screams to me

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The paranormal is real. So, yeah, I'm still searching

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for that as well. But yeah, it's hard to wade

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through all of the crap to find the legit videos

00:21:03.359 --> 00:21:05.559
out there. And if they are out there, they're

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very rare because I've not seen one yet. In terms

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of kind of you mentioned sort of trustworthy

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channels or teams that you've worked with or

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watched, who would you say the ones that people

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should watch rather than not watch? Who would

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you recommend? some real paranormal well just

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just uh the the usual suspects like ghosts on

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trent uh the ouija brothers staffordshire paranormal

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um who else is there uh is exploring the entity

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they do some good stuff um dorset paranormal

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um now some of these guys do use um some of the

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electronic gadgets and and and some of the apps

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and stuff Um, but they, you know, they, they,

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they give you, you know, verbal disclaimers saying,

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you know, this is just for entertainment purposes

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or whatever. Don't, you know, take it with a

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grain of salt. Um, channels that do that, I don't

00:22:03.339 --> 00:22:05.700
mind them using devices if they're, you know,

00:22:05.720 --> 00:22:08.140
if they're not letting it lead the investigation

00:22:08.140 --> 00:22:12.440
is absolutely fine. So yeah, as long as they're

00:22:12.440 --> 00:22:15.720
transparent. about it, then it's fine. But most

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of the channels these days, they're sticking

00:22:17.420 --> 00:22:19.359
the app on and they're just like staring at it

00:22:19.359 --> 00:22:21.660
for the whole investigation. And every time it

00:22:21.660 --> 00:22:23.700
comes through with demon or something like that,

00:22:23.779 --> 00:22:26.099
they're just shouting, screaming about. And I

00:22:26.099 --> 00:22:28.599
just, oh God, it really grates on me. It really

00:22:28.599 --> 00:22:31.700
does. But yeah, there's a, there's a, there's

00:22:31.700 --> 00:22:33.559
a few good ones out there. There's a few good

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ones. So mentioning about the for entertainment

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purposes kind of disclaimer. If the channel say

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it says at the very start of the video. This

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is entertainment purposes, but that's like the

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only reference. Would you still kind of go after

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them or would you kind of lead that? Oh, they

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are saying it's entertainment. So I'm not gonna

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sort of go after these guys. It depends really.

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It depends. Because I see quite a few channels

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out there that have these short disclaimers that

00:23:07.380 --> 00:23:13.539
you can barely read in time. And well, most of

00:23:13.539 --> 00:23:16.009
them are in the description. Anyway, so people

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I don't know of really anybody that reads descriptions

00:23:18.710 --> 00:23:21.230
of channels these days, unless it's me doing

00:23:21.230 --> 00:23:26.259
a debunk on them. I tend to do that. But I like

00:23:26.259 --> 00:23:33.140
it when you do that as well. Yeah. But if they're

00:23:33.140 --> 00:23:34.740
if they're saying it's for entertainment purposes

00:23:34.740 --> 00:23:40.210
only and then they're still they're still portraying

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and acting like it's real during the video. I

00:23:44.799 --> 00:23:46.960
don't know. I don't think they should get a free

00:23:46.960 --> 00:23:50.009
pass for that. I really don't because I look

00:23:50.009 --> 00:23:54.130
through the comments and I know these disclaimers

00:23:54.130 --> 00:23:56.109
don't work because I do I look through the comments

00:23:56.109 --> 00:23:58.609
and there's people in there going oh my god that

00:23:58.609 --> 00:24:03.029
was a mate like that is crazy like um I don't

00:24:03.029 --> 00:24:05.150
know how you could stay in that place it's you

00:24:05.150 --> 00:24:09.190
know it's so scary um and you can just see that

00:24:09.190 --> 00:24:11.210
these people are getting sucked in and they're

00:24:11.210 --> 00:24:15.230
believing every single minute of this um so that

00:24:15.230 --> 00:24:18.079
just kind of goes to show that disclaimers uh

00:24:18.079 --> 00:24:20.680
and the descriptions they don't mean nothing

00:24:20.680 --> 00:24:24.039
because people are not people are just looking

00:24:24.039 --> 00:24:27.359
past that and it's not registering that it's

00:24:27.359 --> 00:24:31.980
it's you know solely for entertainment so um

00:24:32.940 --> 00:24:36.559
if if they're very open and transparent through

00:24:36.559 --> 00:24:41.130
the whole of the video that it's you know it's

00:24:41.130 --> 00:24:45.029
fake then it's fine but when they're just putting

00:24:45.029 --> 00:24:48.089
out a short disclaimer that Like I say that last

00:24:48.089 --> 00:24:50.690
on the screen for about a second and a half and

00:24:50.690 --> 00:24:53.869
you can't read it all and then Yeah, I don't

00:24:53.869 --> 00:24:57.779
think they should get a pass for that Um, yeah,

00:24:58.140 --> 00:25:06.420
so yeah, that's that's my stance on that Go on

00:25:06.420 --> 00:25:11.910
greg. Oh, no You carry on uh, so I guess maybe

00:25:11.910 --> 00:25:16.289
i'll be editing it tonight. I don't mind you

00:25:16.289 --> 00:25:24.579
can Oh, yeah So you mentioned apps, obviously

00:25:24.579 --> 00:25:27.900
you say like when you can't just prefer the raw

00:25:27.900 --> 00:25:31.579
side of things. Not just apps, maybe devices

00:25:31.579 --> 00:25:34.140
as well. Is there any devices that you would

00:25:34.140 --> 00:25:36.180
use? Is there any ones that you think that are

00:25:36.180 --> 00:25:43.759
worth investing in? I mean, decent EVP device

00:25:43.759 --> 00:25:46.619
like voice recorders are good, but then... you

00:25:46.619 --> 00:25:49.200
know, you're using voice recorders anyway, you're

00:25:49.200 --> 00:25:51.380
using mics on your camera, you're using lapel

00:25:51.380 --> 00:25:58.039
mics, it's the exact same thing. So I don't know,

00:25:58.140 --> 00:26:02.480
really. I just, I don't feel you need anything.

00:26:03.599 --> 00:26:06.380
Maybe, I don't know, a pen and paper to write

00:26:06.380 --> 00:26:08.660
times of things that have happened down. So if

00:26:08.660 --> 00:26:10.660
you go there again in the future, you can, you

00:26:10.660 --> 00:26:13.079
know, cross reference it with, you know, something

00:26:13.079 --> 00:26:17.230
that happens again on the second visit. But yeah,

00:26:17.269 --> 00:26:19.650
I just, I don't know. I, I really don't see the

00:26:19.650 --> 00:26:22.809
need for, for any devices really, uh, cameras,

00:26:23.170 --> 00:26:27.089
uh, and microphones is all you need. Yeah. We,

00:26:27.130 --> 00:26:29.390
um, we used to go out and we used to have loads

00:26:29.390 --> 00:26:34.960
of bits. We used to have cat balls. Yeah. Yeah.

00:26:38.299 --> 00:26:43.279
Um, we haven't really had apps at all. And we've

00:26:43.279 --> 00:26:47.730
been quite big. uh proponents of not using apps

00:26:47.730 --> 00:26:51.430
because they're programmed um and now we we go

00:26:51.430 --> 00:26:54.390
out and we we don't really use anything at all

00:26:54.390 --> 00:26:58.329
um it feels good right yeah yeah absolutely you

00:26:58.329 --> 00:27:01.150
you're sort of in and we find that we go out

00:27:01.150 --> 00:27:06.869
quite a lot outside as well yeah um because we

00:27:06.869 --> 00:27:09.289
recently went to the house that cries me and

00:27:09.289 --> 00:27:14.440
ash and the girls from to investigate um and

00:27:14.440 --> 00:27:17.190
not A massive amount happened this time but the

00:27:17.190 --> 00:27:20.809
first time we all went there was loads of weird

00:27:20.809 --> 00:27:25.569
shit happening and um like knocks from the floor

00:27:25.569 --> 00:27:28.990
above us so me and ash went upstairs to the rooms

00:27:28.990 --> 00:27:31.670
to just have a bit of a sweep and see if anybody

00:27:31.670 --> 00:27:35.470
was in the house with us yeah which they weren't

00:27:35.470 --> 00:27:40.190
but we didn't really use anything anymore um

00:27:40.190 --> 00:27:43.859
we've got our torches our cameras Because we

00:27:43.859 --> 00:27:48.230
live stream a lot on tick -tock You can't really

00:27:48.230 --> 00:27:50.490
have too much because we're always walking around

00:27:50.490 --> 00:27:53.910
or yeah And like you say you've got your microphones

00:27:53.910 --> 00:27:58.569
they on your phone or on your camera or microphones

00:27:58.569 --> 00:28:00.890
So everything's being captured there. So we don't

00:28:00.890 --> 00:28:05.690
even Don't even really do EVPs like EVP sessions

00:28:05.690 --> 00:28:08.750
are such not physically recording them. Yeah,

00:28:08.869 --> 00:28:13.190
we just we call out and we've caught stuff on

00:28:13.190 --> 00:28:16.990
locked off cameras that we can't explain. I'm

00:28:16.990 --> 00:28:19.609
quite fortunate. We do get a lot of weird stuff

00:28:19.609 --> 00:28:22.089
that I can't explain. Again, not saying it's

00:28:22.089 --> 00:28:26.980
paranormal because who's to say what it is, but

00:28:27.230 --> 00:28:33.250
we do have weird coincidences happen. All sorts

00:28:33.250 --> 00:28:37.970
of weird stuff or strange stuff seems to happen

00:28:37.970 --> 00:28:43.039
rather than. than paranormal necessarily, but

00:28:43.039 --> 00:28:47.140
what I would actually like, like Mike and Beardo

00:28:47.140 --> 00:28:50.240
to actually look at the videos to get their opinions

00:28:50.240 --> 00:28:52.140
on it. I think, cause I say we captured quite

00:28:52.140 --> 00:28:54.859
a lot of stuff that we've like over the last

00:28:54.859 --> 00:28:58.759
couple of years, I just can't explain and you

00:28:58.759 --> 00:29:01.019
would be good to maybe get a third perspective

00:29:01.019 --> 00:29:03.940
on it. Yeah. Always happy to look always. I'm

00:29:03.940 --> 00:29:06.309
sure Beardo would be as well. Don't fucking slate

00:29:06.309 --> 00:29:14.269
us across Yeah video coming next week On it you

00:29:14.269 --> 00:29:17.250
more welcome to to tear our videos apart, but

00:29:17.250 --> 00:29:20.390
um Like i've got I went to turf tavern in Oxford

00:29:20.390 --> 00:29:24.390
Yeah with sarah we were we were actually filming

00:29:24.390 --> 00:29:27.710
So me and ash were doing sort of a series of

00:29:27.710 --> 00:29:29.890
videos. It's like, did you know blah blah? Did

00:29:29.890 --> 00:29:32.900
you know? Like did you know capitals? Did you

00:29:32.900 --> 00:29:35.200
know all these countries? Yeah, I went to turf

00:29:35.200 --> 00:29:40.160
tavern in Oxford and They've got a resident ghost

00:29:40.160 --> 00:29:44.799
there apparently and We were just mucking around

00:29:44.799 --> 00:29:47.740
we've done a bit of a video on its 13th century

00:29:47.740 --> 00:29:51.400
just a historic video on it decided to do like

00:29:51.400 --> 00:29:55.400
a parody video for the woman in pink and the

00:29:55.400 --> 00:29:58.750
girls that to investigate they wear bright pink

00:29:58.750 --> 00:30:02.329
and So Sarah was in a bright pink top. We were

00:30:02.329 --> 00:30:04.789
in the pub She was walking around in the background

00:30:04.789 --> 00:30:07.130
saying that the woman in pink has been spotted

00:30:07.130 --> 00:30:10.190
in the backgrounds so we were doing this bit

00:30:10.190 --> 00:30:15.559
of a weird video and She popped up from underneath

00:30:15.559 --> 00:30:19.880
the the table in the pub Because we were making

00:30:19.880 --> 00:30:22.960
a making it about reports where drinks were being

00:30:22.960 --> 00:30:27.309
stolen by the ghost anyway, she goes up to grab

00:30:27.309 --> 00:30:30.099
the The glass and the glass physically moves

00:30:30.099 --> 00:30:32.420
before she can yeah, i've got it on the i'll

00:30:32.420 --> 00:30:34.299
send you the video Yeah, you sent you sent it

00:30:34.299 --> 00:30:35.900
me. Oh, did I sent to me? Yeah, you sent it me

00:30:35.900 --> 00:30:38.660
i'll just like We didn't even realize it that

00:30:38.660 --> 00:30:42.319
at the time But then looking back i've got the

00:30:42.319 --> 00:30:46.259
the 4k video of it. So the like the the table's

00:30:46.259 --> 00:30:49.630
completely dry Obviously the the underneath of

00:30:49.630 --> 00:30:53.829
the glass could be wet. But yeah The the table

00:30:53.829 --> 00:30:58.970
itself was completely dry um and just get loads

00:30:58.970 --> 00:31:01.950
of weird stuff like that happens. I know glass

00:31:01.950 --> 00:31:07.890
on tables and that is contentious, but we do

00:31:07.890 --> 00:31:11.289
get a lot of stuff happen and weird coincidences

00:31:11.289 --> 00:31:14.890
that I can't, we record a lot of it and we live

00:31:14.890 --> 00:31:17.150
stream it and we put the clips up. So you're

00:31:17.150 --> 00:31:18.529
welcome to go through our TikTok channel and

00:31:18.529 --> 00:31:24.490
have a look. Be kind to us please. But is there,

00:31:25.299 --> 00:31:28.259
I know Ash said about equipment. if somebody

00:31:28.259 --> 00:31:31.440
was starting off today yeah in the paranormal

00:31:31.440 --> 00:31:34.460
and you mentioned channels they should look at

00:31:34.460 --> 00:31:37.640
some other pieces of equipment or no pieces of

00:31:37.640 --> 00:31:41.680
equipment to use what should they be thinking

00:31:41.680 --> 00:31:45.940
about if they hear a bang on the wall or a knock

00:31:45.940 --> 00:31:48.700
on a window or something move what should they

00:31:48.700 --> 00:31:53.319
be doing to try and rationalize what they've

00:31:54.119 --> 00:31:56.660
seen or witnessed because obviously i could say

00:31:56.660 --> 00:31:59.009
can you give me a knock on the wall And randomly

00:31:59.009 --> 00:32:01.430
there's a knock on the wall. Yeah. Two and two

00:32:01.430 --> 00:32:03.970
together. You can go, Oh my God, that was intelligent.

00:32:04.509 --> 00:32:08.160
Yeah. Obviously trying to repeat it's one thing.

00:32:08.160 --> 00:32:11.779
Yeah, definitely. What else could people do to,

00:32:12.000 --> 00:32:16.279
to sort of remove that element of rationality

00:32:16.279 --> 00:32:20.839
as such? Yeah. I mean, the first thing I'd be

00:32:20.839 --> 00:32:23.319
thinking, right. What's the weather like outside?

00:32:23.400 --> 00:32:28.019
Is it windy? Is it raining? um what kind of condition

00:32:28.019 --> 00:32:31.859
is the is the you know the location in you know

00:32:31.859 --> 00:32:35.380
is there stuff pouring in through the roof like

00:32:35.380 --> 00:32:39.559
is there like beams hanging down whatever um

00:32:39.559 --> 00:32:42.759
you know is there any signs of any any rodents

00:32:42.759 --> 00:32:46.680
or anything like that um yeah these are kind

00:32:46.680 --> 00:32:51.990
of the what you gotta look at is if you're if

00:32:51.990 --> 00:32:54.309
you're in a location and you get something weird,

00:32:54.710 --> 00:32:57.789
then paranormal should be the very last thing

00:32:57.789 --> 00:33:03.269
on your list. But yeah, usually by looking at

00:33:03.269 --> 00:33:06.009
the surroundings of the building, and like I

00:33:06.009 --> 00:33:12.329
said, the weather, 99 % of the time, you can

00:33:12.329 --> 00:33:17.250
get a rational explanation for it. So yeah, they're

00:33:17.250 --> 00:33:19.990
the kind of things that I always, if we ever

00:33:19.990 --> 00:33:23.450
got... any like knocks or bangs I'll be like

00:33:23.450 --> 00:33:27.109
right okay well you know it's it's it's when

00:33:27.109 --> 00:33:29.470
it's you know there's a few gusts here and there

00:33:29.470 --> 00:33:31.609
so we'll go out look on the outside of the building

00:33:31.609 --> 00:33:34.230
see if you could see anything flapping or anything

00:33:34.230 --> 00:33:37.609
like that so yeah they're the kind of routes

00:33:37.609 --> 00:33:41.309
I would go down first obviously we always used

00:33:41.309 --> 00:33:44.569
to check the locations first to make sure there's

00:33:44.569 --> 00:33:46.910
no like homeless people or anything like that

00:33:46.910 --> 00:33:51.630
in there So yeah, they'd be the first ones that

00:33:51.630 --> 00:33:55.250
I would look at anyway. But I know obviously

00:33:55.250 --> 00:34:01.089
weather and rodents are quite a big nuisance

00:34:01.089 --> 00:34:03.670
for paranormal investigation. So more often than

00:34:03.670 --> 00:34:08.969
not, it's down to those. It's like being outside.

00:34:09.590 --> 00:34:11.530
Like Greg said, we do a lot of that outside,

00:34:11.869 --> 00:34:15.690
outdoor stuff. And there's just so many. Yeah,

00:34:19.090 --> 00:34:21.550
that's why, that's why we never used to really

00:34:21.550 --> 00:34:24.849
do the outside ones. I mean, the closest we got

00:34:24.849 --> 00:34:27.170
to the outside was when we did the Kelmarsh tunnel.

00:34:27.730 --> 00:34:29.849
But yeah, the tunnels were the closest we did

00:34:29.849 --> 00:34:32.570
to the outside investigations. Cause like you

00:34:32.570 --> 00:34:36.909
say, there's so many animals out there. You got

00:34:36.909 --> 00:34:42.320
trees blowing in the wind and people in. in houses,

00:34:42.500 --> 00:34:45.760
shouting at each other, taking the bins out or

00:34:45.760 --> 00:34:51.869
so many different things. But yeah, I would at

00:34:51.869 --> 00:34:54.449
some point like to go and do an outside investigation

00:34:54.449 --> 00:34:58.329
somewhere that's kind of set way back from the

00:34:58.329 --> 00:35:02.010
civilization. And I mean, animals are always

00:35:02.010 --> 00:35:05.409
going to be a problem. But yeah, I think me and

00:35:05.409 --> 00:35:08.949
Bida are on about going to do a castle in Wales,

00:35:09.210 --> 00:35:12.920
going camp there in the summer. Yeah, that'd

00:35:12.920 --> 00:35:15.099
be fun. Um, but I'd imagine there probably won't

00:35:15.099 --> 00:35:17.380
be a lot of investigating going on. It'd be more

00:35:17.380 --> 00:35:23.380
probably getting pissed. I'd imagine, but yeah,

00:35:23.579 --> 00:35:25.699
yeah, I will. We'll get round to it at some point,

00:35:25.699 --> 00:35:27.480
but yeah, it's just, I don't know. It's never

00:35:27.480 --> 00:35:31.110
really, um, been at the top of the list for me

00:35:31.110 --> 00:35:34.269
to go and do outside investigations, but, um,

00:35:34.309 --> 00:35:36.969
yeah, I'll do one eventually. It's mad. Cause

00:35:36.969 --> 00:35:40.030
like, I think like Greg said, we do a lot of

00:35:40.030 --> 00:35:42.860
tick tock live streams on this. They love. outdoor

00:35:42.860 --> 00:35:46.199
stuff yeah we can hire out a venue and be doing

00:35:46.199 --> 00:35:48.579
stuff and the numbers won't be great we'll go

00:35:48.579 --> 00:35:51.239
walk around the forest or graveyard at 12 at

00:35:51.239 --> 00:35:54.139
night we've got 200 people watching yeah and

00:35:54.139 --> 00:35:56.840
staying to watch it's like just love being outside

00:35:56.840 --> 00:35:58.980
i don't know if it's that kind of vulnerability

00:35:58.980 --> 00:36:00.960
to like what you think everyone's like i can

00:36:00.960 --> 00:36:03.019
be out on your own at this time in the graveyard

00:36:03.019 --> 00:36:05.179
or in the forest and stuff that kind of because

00:36:05.179 --> 00:36:08.559
it makes it naturally scary yeah gives it a house

00:36:08.559 --> 00:36:11.590
even it's like say 30 years drive You know, in

00:36:11.590 --> 00:36:14.550
a house, it's kind of familiar, even though it's

00:36:14.550 --> 00:36:17.590
in a house, indoors, so it's kind of like, whereas

00:36:17.590 --> 00:36:20.570
if you're outside, it's got a natural kind of

00:36:20.570 --> 00:36:22.789
creepiness to it. Yeah, you're right. That people

00:36:22.789 --> 00:36:26.369
like, so it works for us for TikTok, just going

00:36:26.369 --> 00:36:29.969
outside. Yeah. Yeah, I mean it definitely gives

00:36:29.969 --> 00:36:31.809
it that eerie vibe being out in the dark doesn't

00:36:31.809 --> 00:36:33.550
it? Especially like in graveyards. You've just

00:36:33.550 --> 00:36:35.449
got one torch light and you just lie looking

00:36:35.449 --> 00:36:37.630
through their bushes and stuff It's yeah, it's

00:36:37.630 --> 00:36:39.650
has got that creep factor so I can see why people

00:36:39.650 --> 00:36:44.230
do enjoy it So you mentioned about belief in

00:36:44.230 --> 00:36:49.929
the paranormal? Yeah So if ghosts do exist Yeah

00:36:49.929 --> 00:36:52.610
ghost maybe and we can talk about that in a minute

00:36:52.610 --> 00:36:55.449
What would they have to do to convince you that

00:36:55.449 --> 00:37:01.519
they were real? Yeah, it's going to have to be

00:37:01.519 --> 00:37:04.000
a full -bodied apparition. It's going to have

00:37:04.000 --> 00:37:06.780
to be something being picked up in front of me,

00:37:06.980 --> 00:37:13.860
moving in an impossible way for me to be able

00:37:13.860 --> 00:37:19.460
to believe it. Being spoken to directly by some

00:37:19.460 --> 00:37:24.000
unseen presence, maybe that would sway me. But

00:37:24.000 --> 00:37:26.199
even then, I think I was probably going mad.

00:37:27.349 --> 00:37:30.690
I'd almost certainly need to see it and capture

00:37:30.690 --> 00:37:34.849
it on camera so I could review it as well. But

00:37:34.849 --> 00:37:39.130
yeah, the apparition obviously is the gold standard.

00:37:39.429 --> 00:37:43.590
That's what everybody wants. And yeah, things

00:37:43.590 --> 00:37:46.730
floating and levitating and apparitions is what's

00:37:46.730 --> 00:37:50.110
gonna seal the deal for me, definitely. What

00:37:50.110 --> 00:37:53.289
do you think a ghost is? Do you think it's the

00:37:53.289 --> 00:37:57.619
spirit of a... I don't know. I don't, I really

00:37:57.619 --> 00:38:06.150
don't know. Uh, I wish I did know. Um, I'm, I

00:38:06.150 --> 00:38:09.530
don't know. Cause see, I thought it could be

00:38:09.530 --> 00:38:11.590
some kind of like, you know, there's some kind

00:38:11.590 --> 00:38:16.159
of interdimensional beings like the, obviously

00:38:16.159 --> 00:38:20.480
they're well, the scientists say that it's very

00:38:20.480 --> 00:38:23.800
possible that there are multiple dimensions and

00:38:23.800 --> 00:38:29.579
obviously we can't see. we're not designed to

00:38:29.579 --> 00:38:33.000
see into those dimensions. But that doesn't mean

00:38:33.000 --> 00:38:40.559
to say that there are entities that can and they

00:38:40.559 --> 00:38:48.349
can maybe possibly manipulate or enter into our

00:38:48.349 --> 00:38:53.030
dimension and react with things. And obviously,

00:38:53.170 --> 00:38:56.429
because we can't see them. you know, we can't

00:38:56.429 --> 00:39:01.440
detect them. So there is that kind of theory

00:39:01.440 --> 00:39:06.059
that I find quite interesting. But I've also

00:39:06.059 --> 00:39:08.619
been listening to a lot of podcasts recently

00:39:08.619 --> 00:39:11.900
with people that have had the near -death experiences

00:39:11.900 --> 00:39:15.679
and some of the things that they've experienced.

00:39:17.000 --> 00:39:19.679
And I listened to one the other day and there

00:39:19.679 --> 00:39:24.750
was a guy, he was dead for over an hour. And

00:39:24.750 --> 00:39:31.550
he woke up in the body bag, like crazy. And he

00:39:31.550 --> 00:39:34.670
gave like a, you know, his recollection of like

00:39:34.670 --> 00:39:36.550
floating above his body. He looked like he was

00:39:36.550 --> 00:39:39.670
in like a cinema, but looking down from the ceiling

00:39:39.670 --> 00:39:44.769
down and just watching everything unfold. And

00:39:44.769 --> 00:39:48.449
he didn't realize that what he was looking at

00:39:48.449 --> 00:39:51.510
was him dead on the floor. Like he couldn't put

00:39:51.510 --> 00:39:54.179
two and two together that it was. That it was

00:39:54.179 --> 00:39:58.079
him his body that he was looking at And it was

00:39:58.079 --> 00:40:00.340
only a lot later on down the line that he realized

00:40:00.340 --> 00:40:02.760
that it was it was his dead body that he was

00:40:02.760 --> 00:40:08.550
looking at It would be wouldn't it right It was

00:40:08.550 --> 00:40:11.269
it was all to do they have this I think they

00:40:11.269 --> 00:40:16.389
bought this weird Like it was some liquid that

00:40:16.389 --> 00:40:18.429
you drink after having a workout which makes

00:40:18.429 --> 00:40:23.449
your muscles like the fatigue heal a lot quicker

00:40:23.449 --> 00:40:25.750
so you could obviously spend more time in the

00:40:25.750 --> 00:40:28.289
gym. And it was really expensive and they ended

00:40:28.289 --> 00:40:30.369
up getting this dodgy stuff from Thailand and

00:40:30.369 --> 00:40:34.210
they drunk it. And yeah, he died in a restaurant

00:40:34.210 --> 00:40:37.130
about an hour later because they both started

00:40:37.130 --> 00:40:39.210
feeling weird. I think his mate ended up going

00:40:39.210 --> 00:40:42.469
to hospital or something. And yeah, he just had

00:40:42.469 --> 00:40:49.300
this crazy experience. And he said he was...

00:40:49.440 --> 00:40:53.300
he was moving along with his dead body. He could

00:40:53.300 --> 00:40:57.820
move about everywhere and he gave accurate accounts

00:40:57.820 --> 00:41:02.119
of what was happening whilst he was dead. It's

00:41:02.119 --> 00:41:05.239
just crazy. It's crazy to think that that could

00:41:05.239 --> 00:41:09.300
happen. I've seen multiple podcasts of people

00:41:09.300 --> 00:41:12.820
talking and they all have very similar experiences

00:41:12.820 --> 00:41:15.380
and then you think maybe there might actually

00:41:15.380 --> 00:41:22.699
be something to it. I saw this one NDE experience

00:41:22.699 --> 00:41:27.909
and I think it was a guy. I think it was a guy.

00:41:28.389 --> 00:41:32.909
He died on the operating table and he was floating

00:41:32.909 --> 00:41:35.489
above his body and he was able to move around

00:41:35.489 --> 00:41:40.059
the hospital and he went into one of the doctor's

00:41:40.059 --> 00:41:44.139
offices and the doctor spilt spaghetti bolognese

00:41:44.139 --> 00:41:47.909
down his top. So he was He was kind of like,

00:41:48.010 --> 00:41:50.710
fuck's sake. I've got customers, not customers,

00:41:50.809 --> 00:41:53.710
but I've got patients to see. So he kind of covered

00:41:53.710 --> 00:41:59.059
it up. Anyway, he went back. The guy ended up

00:41:59.059 --> 00:42:01.300
coming back, obviously from the dead. I think

00:42:01.300 --> 00:42:03.119
he was dead for about seven minutes or something.

00:42:03.460 --> 00:42:07.300
And when he came to, he said to the nurses looking

00:42:07.300 --> 00:42:09.159
at him, I'll tell the doctor not to worry about

00:42:09.159 --> 00:42:12.079
the stain on his top. Anyway, the doctor came

00:42:12.079 --> 00:42:18.320
in and the nurses kind of said, he said some

00:42:18.320 --> 00:42:21.239
something weird about a stain or like Bolognese

00:42:21.239 --> 00:42:23.320
stain on your top and apparently like the doctor

00:42:23.320 --> 00:42:25.239
just went completely white because he was the

00:42:25.239 --> 00:42:29.480
only person that knew it had happened. So yeah

00:42:29.480 --> 00:42:30.920
it's just things like that you think well that's

00:42:30.920 --> 00:42:33.500
crazy I mean maybe some of it can be made up

00:42:33.500 --> 00:42:35.699
but some of the stories you hear are like quite

00:42:35.699 --> 00:42:40.090
compelling and yeah gives you that that hope

00:42:40.090 --> 00:42:42.530
that there might actually be something. So yeah

00:42:42.530 --> 00:42:45.400
there's a there's a few there's a few different

00:42:45.400 --> 00:42:48.980
things I think it could be if it's real. So yeah,

00:42:49.039 --> 00:42:56.090
interdimensional or the souls of the spirit leaving

00:42:56.090 --> 00:43:00.690
the body after we die. But I think if paranormal

00:43:00.690 --> 00:43:03.150
is real, I think it is really rare because I

00:43:03.150 --> 00:43:05.369
think there's probably only a certain timeframe

00:43:05.369 --> 00:43:10.929
where the spirit kind of is in that limbo of

00:43:10.929 --> 00:43:16.690
being on this plane and then the next. The next

00:43:16.690 --> 00:43:23.570
location wherever you go So yeah, that's that's

00:43:23.570 --> 00:43:25.530
there that they're kind of the two that interests

00:43:25.530 --> 00:43:30.360
me the most They I don't know what your thoughts

00:43:30.360 --> 00:43:34.300
on it Don't know that's the thing when we started

00:43:34.300 --> 00:43:36.880
the podcast. So we're in our sixth year now So

00:43:36.880 --> 00:43:39.139
we we've chatted hundreds of people about their

00:43:39.139 --> 00:43:43.300
experiences both UFO related cryptid and paranormal

00:43:43.300 --> 00:43:47.099
and I was Like the paranormal guy when we first

00:43:47.099 --> 00:43:51.400
started ash is still is the ufo guy. Yeah, um,

00:43:51.579 --> 00:43:55.760
but over the years Everybody seems to have Like

00:43:55.760 --> 00:43:58.039
you said the similar people have similar experiences,

00:43:58.039 --> 00:44:02.030
which is hard to discount People's experiences

00:44:02.030 --> 00:44:04.909
because the paranormal is very personal. I think

00:44:04.909 --> 00:44:08.010
at times people see a loved one shortly Or at

00:44:08.010 --> 00:44:10.969
the time they've passed away their their grand

00:44:10.969 --> 00:44:13.710
sort of at the end of the bed sort of randomly

00:44:13.710 --> 00:44:20.019
Yeah So I always thought right the the ghosts

00:44:20.019 --> 00:44:27.019
or the paranormal was dead people But over the

00:44:27.019 --> 00:44:29.579
years, I'm not so sure. I think it's a mixture

00:44:29.579 --> 00:44:32.300
of everything I think the paranormal is a mixture

00:44:32.300 --> 00:44:35.820
of everything you we've spoken to people that

00:44:35.820 --> 00:44:39.739
have had UFO experiences and abductee experiences

00:44:40.250 --> 00:44:43.469
But they also growing up had polgeist activity

00:44:43.469 --> 00:44:48.989
in their house They started off having like paranormal

00:44:48.989 --> 00:44:51.630
stuff happening in their house, poltergeist activity,

00:44:52.789 --> 00:44:55.670
all manner of weird stuff and then as they got

00:44:55.670 --> 00:44:59.170
older they then had repeated UFO experiences

00:44:59.170 --> 00:45:04.269
and sightings. So I think they're almost one

00:45:04.269 --> 00:45:07.530
and the same. We spoke to a demonologist from

00:45:07.530 --> 00:45:13.670
America and he said or he believed that demons

00:45:13.670 --> 00:45:17.429
were actually the grey aliens, the little greys.

00:45:17.579 --> 00:45:21.019
He said the right the evil side of the paranormal

00:45:21.019 --> 00:45:24.980
we we've spoken to We've spoken to exorcists

00:45:24.980 --> 00:45:28.579
Um from america and and similar things sort of

00:45:28.579 --> 00:45:31.539
that There's this evil presence and they always

00:45:31.539 --> 00:45:34.920
get lumped in with like gray aliens or an alien

00:45:34.920 --> 00:45:38.539
Race of some kind or an alien presence And you

00:45:38.539 --> 00:45:41.239
look at places like skinwalker ranch in america

00:45:41.239 --> 00:45:45.099
We spoke to a guy from um a ranch called stardust

00:45:45.099 --> 00:45:50.900
ranch um which is the wildest wildest story and

00:45:50.900 --> 00:45:56.670
interview we've we've ever done um and he had

00:45:56.670 --> 00:45:59.590
poltergeist activity in this house and ufos and

00:45:59.590 --> 00:46:03.730
alien experiences um all all kicking off at the

00:46:03.730 --> 00:46:08.940
same time so i'm personally i like to think that

00:46:08.940 --> 00:46:12.880
certain aspects of the paranormal are deceased

00:46:12.880 --> 00:46:18.969
people yeah I think there's also, you mentioned

00:46:18.969 --> 00:46:22.590
about a timeframe of these spirits moving on.

00:46:23.010 --> 00:46:26.670
I believe that as well. Mince Herod had been

00:46:26.670 --> 00:46:32.469
thinking and experimenting with a person, an

00:46:32.469 --> 00:46:35.829
object and a place. So if you can tie as many

00:46:35.829 --> 00:46:39.730
things together as possible, that essentially

00:46:39.730 --> 00:46:41.769
a telephone line that you can connect to the

00:46:41.769 --> 00:46:45.769
spirit world. stronger if you've got a location

00:46:45.769 --> 00:46:50.349
where you and that person had a connection or

00:46:50.349 --> 00:46:57.150
an object or the person itself and with our theory

00:46:57.150 --> 00:47:02.739
is that should you at the point where you've

00:47:02.739 --> 00:47:06.980
got living relatives and it's new you get a stronger

00:47:06.980 --> 00:47:10.699
connection the longer it goes on like hundreds

00:47:10.699 --> 00:47:13.659
of years or a couple of hundred years There's

00:47:13.659 --> 00:47:18.099
no living relative on on earth that's properly

00:47:18.099 --> 00:47:21.679
connected to you as a spirit once you yeah so

00:47:21.679 --> 00:47:25.699
the Communication you have for say castles for

00:47:25.699 --> 00:47:30.849
example is a bit more generic whereas When people

00:47:30.849 --> 00:47:33.449
communicate with somebody who's or something

00:47:33.449 --> 00:47:35.769
traumas happened recent and more recently and

00:47:35.769 --> 00:47:38.929
there's more anchor points in the living that

00:47:38.929 --> 00:47:43.840
the communication would appear to be Like a stronger

00:47:43.840 --> 00:47:48.860
and slightly more intelligent. Yeah um, it's

00:47:48.920 --> 00:47:52.789
I don't know I don't know basically that's So

00:47:52.789 --> 00:47:56.530
many rabbit holes to go. I know I know like we

00:47:56.530 --> 00:48:01.320
you mentioned about apps. So um Me and me and

00:48:01.320 --> 00:48:05.460
sarah had created um a device like a word bank

00:48:05.460 --> 00:48:10.230
device We'd put 100 000 words on to begin with

00:48:10.230 --> 00:48:13.239
100 000. Jesus You wouldn't think there's how

00:48:13.239 --> 00:48:15.599
many words but you were getting all manner of

00:48:15.599 --> 00:48:18.219
weird shit on it like yeah intelligible So we

00:48:18.219 --> 00:48:19.960
dropped it down dropped it down and dropped it

00:48:19.960 --> 00:48:23.199
down and we got to a few thousand words in there

00:48:23.650 --> 00:48:27.679
And if the temperature changes it it triggers

00:48:27.679 --> 00:48:30.239
if there's movement of a certain kind it triggers

00:48:30.239 --> 00:48:35.619
if there's EMF it triggers And I can explain

00:48:35.619 --> 00:48:37.940
it all to you I can show you it working on the

00:48:37.940 --> 00:48:40.579
map with all the coding that I've done But what

00:48:40.579 --> 00:48:42.880
I can't do is work out why that particular word

00:48:42.880 --> 00:48:45.380
comes out. It shuffles the words every time and

00:48:45.380 --> 00:48:48.519
then it will fire a word. Yeah. It's just got

00:48:48.519 --> 00:48:52.739
one. I've got one here. And we've had some very

00:48:52.739 --> 00:48:57.679
specific results. I've got a plaque of my dad.

00:48:57.800 --> 00:48:59.400
My dad passed away when I was young. So I've

00:48:59.400 --> 00:49:03.420
got his plaque. And so that's my object and I'm

00:49:03.420 --> 00:49:07.730
the person. And I was doing a session just in

00:49:07.730 --> 00:49:09.849
this, where I live now, got a little one bedroom

00:49:09.849 --> 00:49:16.170
place. and um had the device there and i was

00:49:16.170 --> 00:49:21.070
talking out loud to my dad and his name came

00:49:21.070 --> 00:49:25.190
through on the device it's got 500 names on there

00:49:25.190 --> 00:49:27.570
and obviously the chance of a name coming through

00:49:27.570 --> 00:49:31.929
is could could happen yeah um but for his name

00:49:31.929 --> 00:49:35.739
to come through at that point when i was asking

00:49:35.739 --> 00:49:40.000
for it and his plaques there again the videos

00:49:40.000 --> 00:49:45.750
on our tiktok again um i i can't can't explain

00:49:45.750 --> 00:49:48.170
it we even went to the lodge right he was a middle

00:49:48.170 --> 00:49:50.429
name as well he was his middle name and his middle

00:49:50.429 --> 00:49:53.269
his name and middle name came up yes so his name

00:49:53.269 --> 00:49:57.650
was um brian douglas scott tomlinson and he was

00:49:57.650 --> 00:50:01.739
always known as douglas or doug but had his first

00:50:01.739 --> 00:50:07.289
name and his second name come out in in order

00:50:07.289 --> 00:50:12.230
and it's just like what Well, I can't even explain

00:50:12.230 --> 00:50:13.989
it and I put the piece of equipment together.

00:50:13.989 --> 00:50:19.050
It doesn't listen to you Yeah, I don't know so

00:50:19.440 --> 00:50:23.130
I don't know I mean it's interesting. I mean

00:50:23.130 --> 00:50:27.050
it's interesting And I know it it could be coincidence.

00:50:27.289 --> 00:50:33.260
Absolutely get it But I don't know I don't so

00:50:33.260 --> 00:50:36.619
my long answer short for For everybody who's

00:50:36.619 --> 00:50:38.860
made it this far is I don't know what those are.

00:50:38.900 --> 00:50:41.000
I don't know what spirits are I think a mixture

00:50:41.000 --> 00:50:45.190
of everything and it depends yeah i know it depends

00:50:45.190 --> 00:50:48.449
is a bit of a i mean i mean you could even go

00:50:48.449 --> 00:50:51.409
down the route like because i've i've seen some

00:50:51.409 --> 00:50:55.090
videos about us being in a simulation as well

00:50:55.090 --> 00:51:00.769
um that it's it's there's a very high probable

00:51:00.769 --> 00:51:05.829
probability that we are in a simulation so if

00:51:05.829 --> 00:51:12.559
that is true then i mean Ghost probably you're

00:51:12.559 --> 00:51:15.079
not gonna be real. Anyway, it's gonna be some

00:51:15.079 --> 00:51:19.139
kind of I don't know some fragment of Code or

00:51:19.139 --> 00:51:22.900
something whatever somewhere or some glitch in

00:51:22.900 --> 00:51:27.019
the you know in the matrix of the of the machine

00:51:27.019 --> 00:51:30.679
or whatever So, I don't know. I don't know. It's

00:51:30.679 --> 00:51:33.940
it's quite mind -boggling really to try and get

00:51:33.940 --> 00:51:36.719
your head around what might be going on, but

00:51:36.719 --> 00:51:41.159
I don't know There's so many things that that

00:51:41.159 --> 00:51:44.059
scientists haven't haven't got the answers for.

00:51:46.139 --> 00:51:50.510
Like, really, we don't they still I think that

00:51:50.510 --> 00:51:52.269
even my daughter said the other day, I think

00:51:52.269 --> 00:51:54.769
they're trying to question the Big Bang at the

00:51:54.769 --> 00:51:56.989
moment. And they're trying to they think they've

00:51:56.989 --> 00:51:59.250
come up with an even better theory of what that

00:51:59.250 --> 00:52:03.219
is. And then Then you get to that and then you're

00:52:03.219 --> 00:52:05.139
like, well, what was even before the big bang?

00:52:05.219 --> 00:52:07.940
What was there a space that we're we're we're

00:52:07.940 --> 00:52:12.099
we're expanding into or is that space just I

00:52:12.099 --> 00:52:15.900
don't know. It's just like what? It's just brain

00:52:15.900 --> 00:52:18.119
busting in it. So what do you reckon Ash? What

00:52:18.119 --> 00:52:20.969
do you think goes up? So it I mean you don't

00:52:20.969 --> 00:52:22.670
really have that conversation. We talk all the

00:52:22.670 --> 00:52:26.369
time Yeah, I mean if I mean the paranormal a

00:52:26.369 --> 00:52:30.730
lot of it is very belief based. Yeah and it's

00:52:30.730 --> 00:52:34.480
like Greg says very personal experiences to people

00:52:34.480 --> 00:52:39.280
and like for me having the experience in my basement

00:52:39.280 --> 00:52:43.920
that's a wild place where so that's what happened

00:52:43.920 --> 00:52:46.179
in my basement like two floors below me here

00:52:46.179 --> 00:52:50.039
and we fought as a ghost or some sort of spirit

00:52:50.039 --> 00:52:51.800
because we had things thrown at us down there

00:52:51.800 --> 00:52:54.460
and heard breaths and stuff which you know can't

00:52:54.460 --> 00:52:57.250
be explained but we were down there a couple

00:52:57.250 --> 00:52:59.829
years ago now and we always go down there to

00:52:59.829 --> 00:53:01.449
investigate and we assume we're looking for a

00:53:01.449 --> 00:53:04.530
ghost, a spirit. We call the ghost Cyril because

00:53:04.530 --> 00:53:06.230
that's the only name I can find associated with

00:53:06.230 --> 00:53:10.440
the building from like 1901 census and we're

00:53:10.440 --> 00:53:13.260
down there and we have a couple of guys from

00:53:13.260 --> 00:53:17.400
who do YouTube paranormal stuff and I was pushed.

00:53:17.699 --> 00:53:19.780
I felt a hand on my back moving me out of the

00:53:19.780 --> 00:53:21.860
way. I never had that sort of thing happen before.

00:53:21.900 --> 00:53:23.739
I never been touched on investigation or anything

00:53:23.739 --> 00:53:26.840
like that. I mean, we were filming, so you sort

00:53:26.840 --> 00:53:29.860
of see my reaction to it. And there was a handprint

00:53:29.860 --> 00:53:33.900
on my back that we took, like, pictures of, like,

00:53:33.900 --> 00:53:37.349
in the time. But I can't prove that happened.

00:53:37.469 --> 00:53:41.210
Like, that's my experience. And when we sort

00:53:41.210 --> 00:53:42.670
of look at the question of what are ghosts, and

00:53:42.670 --> 00:53:44.510
Greg sort of talked about the overlap between

00:53:44.510 --> 00:53:47.389
ghosts and UFOs and other, like, the wider paranormal,

00:53:48.030 --> 00:53:49.510
we always assumed we were looking for a ghost

00:53:49.510 --> 00:53:54.369
down there, ghost hunting, as it were. But this

00:53:54.369 --> 00:53:58.250
hand print on my back is like a free -fingered

00:53:58.630 --> 00:54:01.769
hand with like bulbous tips. Right. And if you

00:54:01.769 --> 00:54:05.670
Google gray alien hand, it looks like that. Yeah.

00:54:05.949 --> 00:54:08.619
So I'm like, what the hell is in my basement?

00:54:09.139 --> 00:54:11.900
Like I'd know something touched me. I can't prove

00:54:11.900 --> 00:54:15.119
that, but I felt it and got this picture on the

00:54:15.119 --> 00:54:18.590
back. And it's like an alien hand. So I'm like,

00:54:18.610 --> 00:54:21.829
that totally changed stuff for me in terms of

00:54:22.769 --> 00:54:24.909
I thought I was looking for a ghost, an invisible

00:54:24.909 --> 00:54:26.610
alien in the basement. I was like, what the hell

00:54:26.610 --> 00:54:28.750
is, what is going on down there? And I didn't

00:54:28.750 --> 00:54:30.210
even talk about it for about six months because

00:54:30.210 --> 00:54:31.909
I didn't know how to process it myself. I was

00:54:31.909 --> 00:54:34.989
like, I don't know what's happened. Yeah. I mean,

00:54:34.989 --> 00:54:37.940
the more I thought about it, cause paranormal

00:54:37.940 --> 00:54:42.280
is personal, whatever these entities are, cause

00:54:42.280 --> 00:54:45.110
I'm the UFO guy. I'm the alien guy and if someone

00:54:45.110 --> 00:54:48.130
said to me if someone who I knew was a UFO guy

00:54:48.130 --> 00:54:50.849
an alien guy who's also as paranormal Says oh,

00:54:50.849 --> 00:54:52.909
I was touched in the in the basement and he's

00:54:52.909 --> 00:54:57.289
an alien. I'm like Of course it happened to yourself

00:54:57.289 --> 00:54:58.829
and that's why I didn't talk about it sounds

00:54:58.829 --> 00:55:01.030
like no one's gonna believe this I don't care

00:55:01.030 --> 00:55:03.409
people do or not that like say that's my experience

00:55:03.409 --> 00:55:08.440
and so I was like maybe it gave it the form of

00:55:08.440 --> 00:55:12.170
an alien hand because I would relate to aliens

00:55:12.170 --> 00:55:15.369
more. If it had touched your guy that I was with,

00:55:15.650 --> 00:55:17.230
maybe it would have been like a human handprint

00:55:17.230 --> 00:55:20.409
because he's more into close side of things.

00:55:20.610 --> 00:55:23.289
So whatever the entities are, different dimensions,

00:55:24.369 --> 00:55:27.809
we don't know what it is, it shows itself to

00:55:27.809 --> 00:55:30.989
you in a way that you would relate to more. That's

00:55:30.989 --> 00:55:33.250
kind of the approach I've been taking since then,

00:55:33.309 --> 00:55:36.590
just because I cannot explain the handprint and

00:55:36.590 --> 00:55:39.550
the being touched in my basement. Yeah, see,

00:55:39.610 --> 00:55:42.510
if that had happened to me, that would probably

00:55:42.510 --> 00:55:46.289
make me more point towards it being some kind

00:55:46.289 --> 00:55:50.610
of interdimensional, very advanced kind of being,

00:55:51.650 --> 00:55:56.590
rather than a spirit. I don't know. I don't know.

00:55:56.769 --> 00:55:58.670
But it sounds like a crazy experience anyway.

00:55:59.349 --> 00:56:01.489
Have you got the picture of the handprint? Yeah,

00:56:01.590 --> 00:56:04.070
yeah. You'd have to send that to me. I'd like

00:56:04.070 --> 00:56:07.960
to see that. we um and talking about the like

00:56:07.960 --> 00:56:10.340
the the crossover like i said we we actually

00:56:10.340 --> 00:56:15.420
do a talk where we do the overlap of ufo investigations

00:56:15.420 --> 00:56:18.159
and paranormal investigations and like some of

00:56:18.159 --> 00:56:22.960
the equipment for like evps were when they originally

00:56:22.960 --> 00:56:24.880
started recording them they thought that they

00:56:24.880 --> 00:56:30.269
were listening to like aliens yeah and it was

00:56:30.269 --> 00:56:32.010
only after this guy thought he had caught the

00:56:32.010 --> 00:56:35.500
voice of his mum that then they thought it was

00:56:35.500 --> 00:56:38.679
the voice of dead people right the estus method

00:56:38.679 --> 00:56:43.940
was originally um as as part of their development

00:56:43.940 --> 00:56:47.829
um of that particular method with the spirit

00:56:47.829 --> 00:56:49.869
box mona they actually believed they were talking

00:56:49.869 --> 00:56:56.369
to a vampire from satin satin oh jesus yeah it

00:56:56.369 --> 00:57:01.650
has it has its roots in ufo sort of law or alien

00:57:01.650 --> 00:57:10.750
type yeah law So One thing I just wanted to there's

00:57:10.750 --> 00:57:14.750
one channel. I fucking hate I've been I've written

00:57:14.750 --> 00:57:17.289
it down. Just one to go. Well, there's one in

00:57:17.289 --> 00:57:22.469
particular I talk about a lot and I Know you

00:57:22.469 --> 00:57:25.610
go after them and I'm just interested to know

00:57:25.670 --> 00:57:29.150
Why you go after them? All right, when I tell

00:57:29.150 --> 00:57:36.300
you their name right Smug puppy, right? so obviously

00:57:36.300 --> 00:57:44.469
there Words fail me and I've fit the So their

00:57:44.469 --> 00:57:47.889
stuff is obviously fake. Oh one thousand. Oh,

00:57:47.929 --> 00:57:51.809
yeah. Yeah And that's what pisses me right off

00:57:51.809 --> 00:57:54.010
that and like you said people blind and believe

00:57:54.010 --> 00:57:56.190
anyway Yeah, obviously they're quite an easy

00:57:56.190 --> 00:57:58.730
target for the likes of you beardo and and all

00:57:58.730 --> 00:58:02.849
the other debunkers. I know it's easy content

00:58:03.460 --> 00:58:07.639
but is there a reason that you would go after

00:58:07.639 --> 00:58:12.190
them when they're so obviously fake? No, right

00:58:12.190 --> 00:58:18.420
or wrong answer is just... The reason I go after

00:58:18.420 --> 00:58:21.860
them because they seem so very arrogant about

00:58:21.860 --> 00:58:27.639
it and I read through the comments as well and

00:58:27.639 --> 00:58:31.039
there's people in there saying, this is bullshit,

00:58:31.179 --> 00:58:33.739
this is bullshit. How could anyone believe this?

00:58:33.800 --> 00:58:36.099
And they're still being arrogant in the comments.

00:58:36.630 --> 00:58:39.050
and then you see you read through a few more

00:58:39.050 --> 00:58:41.730
comments and you see the people that oh my god

00:58:41.730 --> 00:58:44.150
i can't believe this like you need to get that

00:58:44.150 --> 00:58:47.449
place blessed you know you need to get it exercised

00:58:47.449 --> 00:58:50.510
and and then and i just think right fuck this

00:58:50.510 --> 00:58:53.349
i'm doing a fucking video on this like yeah i

00:58:53.349 --> 00:58:57.570
need to make these people see sense yeah um and

00:58:57.570 --> 00:59:00.969
then obviously that their arrogance as well is

00:59:00.969 --> 00:59:04.429
definitely a factor um because they're always

00:59:04.429 --> 00:59:06.690
like well Ghosts of Britain will come on to them

00:59:06.690 --> 00:59:10.150
as well, the original Ghosts of Britain. But

00:59:10.150 --> 00:59:15.909
yeah, they're always like, show us that you can

00:59:15.909 --> 00:59:19.570
recreate it then. They are very smug. The name

00:59:19.570 --> 00:59:23.050
is very fitting for their channel. And yeah,

00:59:23.050 --> 00:59:26.530
that gets my back up a little bit. Ghosts of

00:59:26.530 --> 00:59:29.369
Britain banned me from all of their social media

00:59:29.369 --> 00:59:31.969
channels when I called them out back in the early

00:59:31.969 --> 00:59:35.309
days. They hated me. I used to go on their lives.

00:59:35.309 --> 00:59:38.110
I used to go on everything and just go What you're

00:59:38.110 --> 00:59:41.550
doing? It's not yeah, and they yeah, but then

00:59:41.639 --> 00:59:45.380
People would blind like you say people Go on

00:59:45.380 --> 00:59:49.159
there. They blindly Accept what they're being

00:59:49.159 --> 00:59:53.199
shown as real Yeah, and they get sucked in and

00:59:53.199 --> 00:59:57.579
I think that those people Get taken advantage

00:59:57.579 --> 01:00:04.610
of Yeah Not some some channels in a particularly

01:00:04.610 --> 01:00:11.900
aggressive and Trying to fleece money I get that

01:00:11.900 --> 01:00:16.429
And others I don't know why they they continue

01:00:16.429 --> 01:00:18.550
to do but they seem to prey on these people who

01:00:18.550 --> 01:00:22.670
blindly believe and It is because of channels

01:00:22.670 --> 01:00:30.469
like like you That it gives me an outlet to watch

01:00:30.469 --> 01:00:34.429
stuff that I'd be like fucking Finally, yeah

01:00:34.429 --> 01:00:39.119
Which it's a shame that we because we were all

01:00:39.119 --> 01:00:41.380
obviously into the paranormal and you go out

01:00:41.380 --> 01:00:44.340
investigate we go out investigating After we've

01:00:44.340 --> 01:00:46.820
got a very close circle of friends that we trust

01:00:46.820 --> 01:00:50.980
that if said if they said to me This happened

01:00:50.980 --> 01:00:56.340
to me. I'd be like, okay cool. So like Or somebody

01:00:56.340 --> 01:00:58.619
says I've I've been pushed like ash would tell

01:00:58.619 --> 01:01:02.510
me that that's happened and I'd be like Yeah

01:01:02.699 --> 01:01:07.079
cool i get that uh and if he if he tells me something

01:01:07.079 --> 01:01:11.260
i'm like brilliant that i i believe what he said

01:01:11.260 --> 01:01:14.059
um but there are other channels that you just

01:01:14.059 --> 01:01:17.599
go what the fuck yeah um like the one you put

01:01:17.599 --> 01:01:20.119
out today at six o 'clock so this is being recorded

01:01:20.119 --> 01:01:25.539
on wednesday the 10th june it was haunted britain

01:01:25.539 --> 01:01:29.739
investigations uh yes yeah we had some weird

01:01:29.739 --> 01:01:36.820
ovulus thing yeah That I'll tell you that's all

01:01:36.820 --> 01:01:38.920
that's one of the things that makes me laugh

01:01:38.920 --> 01:01:40.940
when I watch your videos is where you do the

01:01:40.940 --> 01:01:43.800
impressions of some of the equipment It's when

01:01:43.800 --> 01:01:46.159
the EVPs come up. There was one actually I watched

01:01:46.159 --> 01:01:48.840
I watched yesterday. I don't know which is a

01:01:48.840 --> 01:01:52.039
recent one of yours and They're doing a private

01:01:52.039 --> 01:01:55.019
investigation in someone's house. Yeah, and they've

01:01:55.019 --> 01:02:01.420
got this shitty old Yeah, you can't hear Literally

01:02:01.420 --> 01:02:04.699
fuck all on it. No, and they're playing it back

01:02:04.699 --> 01:02:08.219
go and it says that Your face says it all when

01:02:08.219 --> 01:02:10.380
you're listening back to it and I'm even just

01:02:10.380 --> 01:02:14.429
like What they put that they put them the worst

01:02:14.429 --> 01:02:16.670
bit is that it put the word up on the screen?

01:02:17.190 --> 01:02:21.269
So your brain will come at it. It's like audio

01:02:21.269 --> 01:02:26.579
parodialia Yeah, you and we do that as part of

01:02:26.579 --> 01:02:31.269
the talk we we talk about Is it green? Green

01:02:31.269 --> 01:02:34.449
needle. Green needle. Oh yeah. Yeah. So we use

01:02:34.449 --> 01:02:38.530
that as a way of, of reaffirming that kind of,

01:02:38.969 --> 01:02:41.829
if you're told what to hear, you hear it. And

01:02:41.829 --> 01:02:44.210
I think putting the words up on the screen is,

01:02:44.340 --> 01:02:49.000
is a great way of getting across dodgy content.

01:02:49.699 --> 01:02:51.760
Um, so like if somebody says to me, I've got

01:02:51.760 --> 01:02:53.780
an EVP, I'm like, don't tell me what it says,

01:02:54.039 --> 01:02:57.110
send it to me and I'll have listened to it. And

01:02:57.110 --> 01:03:00.139
I'll tell you what it says rather than. What

01:03:00.139 --> 01:03:02.159
you tell me because as soon as you tell me what

01:03:02.159 --> 01:03:04.480
it says, that's what I'm hearing. Yeah exactly

01:03:04.480 --> 01:03:08.820
But yeah, no, it does make me laugh. No, that's

01:03:08.820 --> 01:03:11.480
why that's why I always say like right I'm gonna

01:03:11.480 --> 01:03:15.340
replay it close your eyes and Really think what

01:03:15.340 --> 01:03:18.659
you think it says and and 99 % of the time it

01:03:18.659 --> 01:03:20.440
sounds nothing like what they've written on the

01:03:20.440 --> 01:03:23.380
screen And it just it just really annoys me.

01:03:23.380 --> 01:03:26.079
I had the r60 Like I said in the video it needs

01:03:26.079 --> 01:03:28.239
to be wiped off the face of the planet. It's

01:03:28.239 --> 01:03:32.559
the most useless device ever. I mean, it's got

01:03:32.559 --> 01:03:34.960
its uses. It's very good at giving false positives.

01:03:35.659 --> 01:03:41.980
If you accept what they're putting on the screen

01:03:41.980 --> 01:03:44.760
is what it says. But if you actually listen to

01:03:44.760 --> 01:03:48.840
it, none of the things it says is what it's actually

01:03:48.840 --> 01:03:52.380
saying. So yeah, I hate that device. I really

01:03:52.380 --> 01:03:55.099
do. I think they're still going for like about

01:03:55.099 --> 01:03:58.460
1500 quid then things. Unbelievable, isn't it?

01:03:58.619 --> 01:04:01.099
Something that cost about 30 quid when it first

01:04:01.099 --> 01:04:03.519
came out in the market now. Wish I'd put them

01:04:03.519 --> 01:04:06.000
up in bulk. Oh, no, you'd be laughing, mate.

01:04:06.119 --> 01:04:09.300
You really would. Especially like GTI using it

01:04:09.300 --> 01:04:11.699
as well. It's just like people's kind of, yeah,

01:04:12.139 --> 01:04:15.639
to want it and stuff. Yeah. So do you believe

01:04:15.639 --> 01:04:19.139
that some of these people knowingly use this

01:04:19.139 --> 01:04:23.519
equipment based on, so I, I know you're shaking,

01:04:23.739 --> 01:04:27.949
you're nodding your head there. But there must

01:04:27.949 --> 01:04:31.010
be some teams so some adult like that the one

01:04:31.010 --> 01:04:34.050
from the private house the other day This small

01:04:34.050 --> 01:04:36.829
team had was using haunted hope the haunted hope

01:04:36.829 --> 01:04:41.489
one. That's it. Yeah Do you think that they?

01:04:41.889 --> 01:04:45.530
genuinely believe What they're hearing or do

01:04:45.530 --> 01:04:50.739
you think they are? accepting that these devices

01:04:50.739 --> 01:04:54.139
have got these flaws and using that for content.

01:04:54.300 --> 01:04:56.659
I know some other channels might be using it

01:04:56.659 --> 01:05:00.199
for content again, but smaller teams, do you

01:05:00.199 --> 01:05:02.679
think they're just naive? Well, I don't know.

01:05:02.880 --> 01:05:05.099
That's why I went onto his channel and I'm like,

01:05:05.139 --> 01:05:08.280
right, your first video was like 11 years ago.

01:05:08.340 --> 01:05:10.559
You've been doing this for a long time. Surely

01:05:10.559 --> 01:05:14.989
you should have the knowledge that... these devices

01:05:14.989 --> 01:05:17.710
have been debunked numerous times, yet you still

01:05:17.710 --> 01:05:20.750
go out and you use it. Worst thing, you're using

01:05:20.750 --> 01:05:24.130
it in private residence and you're making those

01:05:24.130 --> 01:05:26.050
residents believe that they have got a haunting

01:05:26.050 --> 01:05:29.530
when there could be so many different, rational

01:05:29.530 --> 01:05:32.170
explanations for what they're experiencing. And

01:05:32.170 --> 01:05:34.530
you're all just going in there and saying, yes,

01:05:34.789 --> 01:05:38.090
this place is haunted straight away. You can

01:05:38.090 --> 01:05:41.289
imagine what the damage that that's doing to

01:05:41.289 --> 01:05:44.500
some people that have got you know, they can

01:05:44.500 --> 01:05:46.639
have serious mental health issues, you know,

01:05:46.860 --> 01:05:49.559
all it takes is them to go into the wrong house,

01:05:49.820 --> 01:05:53.559
say, you're being haunted by a ghost. And then

01:05:53.559 --> 01:05:57.000
well, then you know what happens next for somebody

01:05:57.000 --> 01:05:59.739
that's, you know, that's feels, you know, that's

01:05:59.739 --> 01:06:03.719
been suffering. Because I'm sure it happens.

01:06:04.219 --> 01:06:07.940
I'm sure it happens. No doubt. And that's, that's

01:06:07.940 --> 01:06:10.460
one of the main reasons why I like to call out

01:06:10.460 --> 01:06:13.769
the bullshit. to give people the tools, the knowledge

01:06:13.769 --> 01:06:17.389
and the know -how to spot the fakery and not

01:06:17.389 --> 01:06:19.710
to be taken advantage of. Because I've been taken

01:06:19.710 --> 01:06:23.449
advantage of before. That sounded a bit wrong.

01:06:24.570 --> 01:06:27.809
I've been scammed out of money numerous times

01:06:27.809 --> 01:06:33.590
and I've always had a hatred for scammers and

01:06:33.590 --> 01:06:37.869
charlatans and liars and frauds. I always have.

01:06:38.670 --> 01:06:42.780
So yeah, yeah. I never thought I'd be a debunker,

01:06:43.039 --> 01:06:45.099
but actually thinking about it, it quite fits,

01:06:46.980 --> 01:06:52.389
um, my, it quite fits my, uh, my stance on frauds.

01:06:52.469 --> 01:06:58.550
So, yeah. So that's, I was just, uh, I dunno,

01:06:58.750 --> 01:07:00.389
I'm getting pissed off thinking about it, but

01:07:00.389 --> 01:07:03.760
it's, uh, the quote, going back to your question,

01:07:03.920 --> 01:07:08.369
do I think they're naive? I think maybe now some

01:07:08.369 --> 01:07:10.630
people maybe that are just starting out, because

01:07:10.630 --> 01:07:13.829
I was naive when our channel was only a couple

01:07:13.829 --> 01:07:18.829
of months old, we were using these devices. But

01:07:18.829 --> 01:07:21.369
it doesn't take long for somebody with logic,

01:07:21.590 --> 01:07:24.010
somebody that's doing it seriously for the right

01:07:24.010 --> 01:07:27.010
reasons to figure out that these devices are

01:07:27.010 --> 01:07:30.760
useless. So if you carry on using them after

01:07:30.760 --> 01:07:35.460
you've been told they're useless, then I just

01:07:35.460 --> 01:07:39.179
think you're not in it to prove the paranormal,

01:07:39.400 --> 01:07:41.679
you're just in it to make entertaining videos

01:07:41.679 --> 01:07:45.199
and, and for the, for the revenue that that's

01:07:45.199 --> 01:07:48.579
it. That's fair. That's fair. Kind of on this,

01:07:48.619 --> 01:07:52.019
the bunking thing and you're quite outspoken

01:07:52.019 --> 01:07:55.389
and like other debunkers, we've been so quite

01:07:55.389 --> 01:07:59.190
public kind of spats and disputes and don't shy

01:07:59.190 --> 01:08:04.780
away from that. How does that kind of, because

01:08:04.780 --> 01:08:08.179
it is quite public and we spoke a bit about this

01:08:08.179 --> 01:08:12.480
as well. um the threats and stuff that he's had

01:08:12.480 --> 01:08:15.219
and with some of the same people uh that you've

01:08:15.219 --> 01:08:17.979
had kind of arguments and stuff with how does

01:08:17.979 --> 01:08:21.590
that sort of build into your into your content

01:08:21.590 --> 01:08:23.909
into your life how much does that affect you

01:08:23.909 --> 01:08:27.289
when you're having these public stuff going on

01:08:27.289 --> 01:08:31.130
it doesn't affect me at all to be honest um no

01:08:31.130 --> 01:08:33.449
i mean the first time i had a copyright strike

01:08:33.449 --> 01:08:35.789
i was just like oh shit like i could be in a

01:08:35.789 --> 01:08:39.359
bit of trouble here um But then when I peeled

01:08:39.359 --> 01:08:41.659
it and won it, I was like, okay, that wasn't

01:08:41.659 --> 01:08:44.789
too bad. Then I got another one and I peeled

01:08:44.789 --> 01:08:46.529
down one that and then another one and then another

01:08:46.529 --> 01:08:48.369
one. I think I've had about seven copyright strikes

01:08:48.369 --> 01:08:51.029
from, from fake channels trying to silence me.

01:08:51.289 --> 01:08:55.109
Um, and it doesn't bother me. It does not bother

01:08:55.109 --> 01:08:58.850
me in the slightest. Um, I wouldn't say even,

01:08:58.850 --> 01:09:02.869
I wouldn't say it even pisses me off. Um, most

01:09:02.869 --> 01:09:06.770
of the The grief and the abuse I've had off some

01:09:06.770 --> 01:09:08.869
of these channels. I just literally laugh. I

01:09:08.869 --> 01:09:13.909
find it funny. I do find it funny because It's

01:09:14.390 --> 01:09:17.890
I don't know it kind of gives me it gives me

01:09:17.890 --> 01:09:19.729
quite a lot of pleasure knowing that they're

01:09:19.729 --> 01:09:22.350
sat there squirming really pissed off just lashing

01:09:22.350 --> 01:09:26.649
out and Yeah, I don't take anything to heart

01:09:26.649 --> 01:09:29.489
what they're saying. I just find it amusing to

01:09:29.489 --> 01:09:34.470
be honest I don't know, some people might see

01:09:34.470 --> 01:09:39.279
it as kind of, I don't know. I know they always

01:09:39.279 --> 01:09:42.399
throw around the word bully, but at the end of

01:09:42.399 --> 01:09:44.859
the day, is exposing the truth on somebody being

01:09:44.859 --> 01:09:47.319
a bully? I don't think it is. I think people,

01:09:48.119 --> 01:09:50.500
you know, fake teams that are taking advantage

01:09:50.500 --> 01:09:53.359
of, you know, grieving people, in most cases.

01:09:53.579 --> 01:09:55.359
Like a lot of the people that are watching Paranormal

01:09:55.359 --> 01:09:58.170
are people that have lost someone recently. or

01:09:58.170 --> 01:10:02.550
people that like me are scared of death. They're

01:10:02.550 --> 01:10:05.529
just really hanging on to it being something

01:10:05.529 --> 01:10:08.710
after we pass. And they're the kind of people

01:10:08.710 --> 01:10:11.609
that are very easily persuaded into believing

01:10:11.609 --> 01:10:16.920
that these channels are telling the truth. So

01:10:16.920 --> 01:10:24.729
yeah, I don't think debunkers are bullies for

01:10:24.729 --> 01:10:28.100
telling the truth. Um, I think that the fakers

01:10:28.100 --> 01:10:33.359
are the ones out of order and, uh, yeah. Most

01:10:33.359 --> 01:10:36.880
people agree. Luckily. Cause I don't really get,

01:10:36.920 --> 01:10:39.239
I don't really get too many harsh comments or

01:10:39.239 --> 01:10:42.340
anything like that. I mean, I get a few, a few

01:10:42.340 --> 01:10:45.840
of the big, uh, channels that I debunked, like

01:10:45.840 --> 01:10:47.859
people that have followed them for years. They

01:10:47.859 --> 01:10:51.140
obviously are a little bit miffed. Um, but I've

01:10:51.140 --> 01:10:53.159
had quite a few people that said, Oh, you know,

01:10:53.180 --> 01:10:56.210
I've followed this channel for five, six, seven

01:10:56.210 --> 01:11:01.130
years. Thank you so much for telling me and setting

01:11:01.130 --> 01:11:03.789
me on the right path and showing me that they're

01:11:03.789 --> 01:11:07.850
fake. And yeah, I've actually turned quite a

01:11:07.850 --> 01:11:13.630
few people into skeptics of the channels that

01:11:13.630 --> 01:11:18.520
they love. So that's a win for me. That's a win.

01:11:22.779 --> 01:11:25.699
And the kind of people I get messaging me saying,

01:11:25.899 --> 01:11:30.130
you know, you've helped me so much. I've wasted

01:11:30.130 --> 01:11:34.390
so much money on this channel. When I get messages

01:11:34.390 --> 01:11:38.760
like that, that beats any freaking, you know,

01:11:38.939 --> 01:11:43.180
10 pound gifted memberships or, you know, all

01:11:43.180 --> 01:11:47.300
the revenue at the end of the month. Just knowing

01:11:47.300 --> 01:11:51.520
that I've helped people is, yeah. It's a buzz

01:11:51.520 --> 01:12:01.689
to me. Yeah. So that's it. Really. The revenue

01:12:01.689 --> 01:12:05.010
and everything is just the bonus, but the real

01:12:05.010 --> 01:12:12.289
thing that I love is helping the people. I agree.

01:12:13.270 --> 01:12:16.489
We obviously put out a lot of content, but we

01:12:16.489 --> 01:12:19.109
get people coming to us and it's the first time

01:12:19.109 --> 01:12:22.609
they've even spoke about their experiences. Yeah,

01:12:22.710 --> 01:12:26.890
we We sort of like you you pride yourself in

01:12:26.890 --> 01:12:29.829
in getting people to see through all the bullshit

01:12:29.829 --> 01:12:33.829
we we get people to be To get to a point where

01:12:33.829 --> 01:12:36.029
they can speak about their experiences whether

01:12:36.029 --> 01:12:39.689
it's something that they've experienced themselves

01:12:39.689 --> 01:12:42.329
something that it's been to others or something

01:12:42.329 --> 01:12:45.810
that Possibly hasn't even happened, but they

01:12:45.810 --> 01:12:49.420
believe as as we put We've been close to not

01:12:49.420 --> 01:12:52.159
putting our episodes before where we're not entirely

01:12:52.159 --> 01:12:54.220
sure what the person said, but they genuinely

01:12:54.220 --> 01:12:58.939
believe So it's good to be in a position where

01:12:58.939 --> 01:13:02.720
you can help people. Yeah, I think they at one

01:13:02.720 --> 01:13:06.180
point I did think that the bunkers were a bit

01:13:06.180 --> 01:13:10.020
like Okay, it's it's a bit of a cheap shot, but

01:13:10.020 --> 01:13:13.600
I get it I understand it and I completely agree

01:13:13.600 --> 01:13:16.680
with with what you're doing I think being able

01:13:16.680 --> 01:13:19.699
to get people to to rationalize what they're

01:13:19.699 --> 01:13:23.439
actually seeing and saying well actually that's

01:13:23.439 --> 01:13:28.000
bullshit or in the case of smug puppy for example

01:13:28.000 --> 01:13:32.439
clearly bullshit and you can this is how he's

01:13:32.439 --> 01:13:36.350
done it or this is how they've done it or showing

01:13:36.350 --> 01:13:40.149
the the fallibility of paranormal equipment cat

01:13:40.149 --> 01:13:43.109
balls going off randomly because he'd been knocked

01:13:43.350 --> 01:13:46.350
Ever so slightly by the breeze or a bit of motion

01:13:46.350 --> 01:13:48.390
somewhere on the other side of the room has caused

01:13:48.390 --> 01:13:52.109
her caused it to move ever so slightly I think

01:13:52.109 --> 01:14:00.039
giving people an opportunity to see the The other

01:14:00.039 --> 01:14:03.939
side of the paranormal investigation Yeah, like

01:14:03.939 --> 01:14:06.399
like that voice recorder the fact that it's a

01:14:06.399 --> 01:14:10.020
false positive Device basically. Yeah, and then

01:14:10.020 --> 01:14:11.840
people probably get at that point. I didn't know

01:14:11.840 --> 01:14:15.880
that. Yeah, they learn stuff Rather than necessarily

01:14:15.880 --> 01:14:20.359
turn on channels. They learn What is paranormal

01:14:20.359 --> 01:14:23.180
or what is not paranormal and how they yeah is

01:14:23.180 --> 01:14:27.859
a great? Yeah SLS is a fucking nightmare God

01:14:27.859 --> 01:14:32.520
don't don't don't we had an interview with a

01:14:32.520 --> 01:14:37.680
guy and He had an SLS camera next to us next

01:14:37.680 --> 01:14:45.729
him on the screen because what during the because

01:14:45.729 --> 01:14:49.329
um his father -in -law sometimes comes through

01:14:49.329 --> 01:14:55.090
on it right we were gonna see it um it didn't

01:14:55.689 --> 01:15:00.850
but um yeah so it's and it's things like that

01:15:00.850 --> 01:15:02.850
where you if you understand how a piece of equipment

01:15:02.850 --> 01:15:08.079
works yeah then you can you can rationalize all

01:15:08.079 --> 01:15:10.800
the paranormal. And I've learned so much about

01:15:10.800 --> 01:15:15.659
spotting cuts and masking and audio overlays

01:15:15.659 --> 01:15:19.020
and stuff just from watching that stuff. When

01:15:19.020 --> 01:15:22.159
you know it, it's so obvious as well. Yeah, but

01:15:22.159 --> 01:15:24.119
I was going to make this point earlier. I mean,

01:15:24.140 --> 01:15:25.840
a lot of people that are sat at home watching

01:15:25.840 --> 01:15:28.020
these things, they're kind of sat there, they're

01:15:28.020 --> 01:15:30.460
kind of laid back. They're not really kind of

01:15:30.460 --> 01:15:33.000
focused in on what's actually going on. They're

01:15:33.000 --> 01:15:37.359
just kind of watching it. And it's very easy

01:15:37.359 --> 01:15:39.720
to miss things like cuts like that when you're

01:15:39.720 --> 01:15:41.739
just kind of sat there watching it for entertainment,

01:15:41.939 --> 01:15:43.859
you know what I mean? But when you kind of start

01:15:43.859 --> 01:15:47.640
looking into it with the, you know, with the

01:15:47.640 --> 01:15:51.100
skeptical and analytical eye, it's really, things

01:15:51.100 --> 01:15:53.600
really start jumping out at you and it starts

01:15:53.600 --> 01:15:56.720
to become very obvious. So I can see, I can see

01:15:56.720 --> 01:16:02.119
why people miss it and they, you know, they get

01:16:02.119 --> 01:16:05.170
sucked into it. Cause it is, if you're not, you

01:16:05.170 --> 01:16:08.390
know, openly looking out for it, then you will

01:16:08.390 --> 01:16:11.899
miss it. So that's why I'm here to point that

01:16:11.899 --> 01:16:15.899
out. And that's why we kind of started our channel

01:16:15.899 --> 01:16:18.000
as well, going back to your last point a minute

01:16:18.000 --> 01:16:20.619
ago is, I mean, we could have gone out investigating

01:16:20.619 --> 01:16:22.960
and not filmed it at all, but because we were

01:16:22.960 --> 01:16:31.829
kind of, well, first we kind of, when we first

01:16:31.829 --> 01:16:34.689
went out, we kind of wanted to just document

01:16:34.689 --> 01:16:39.989
it for ourselves. And It got to the point where

01:16:39.989 --> 01:16:42.149
we found out all the teams were fake. Nothing

01:16:42.149 --> 01:16:45.710
really was happening on our investigations. And

01:16:45.710 --> 01:16:48.890
we could have given it up there and then. But

01:16:48.890 --> 01:16:51.789
we thought, no, we're going to carry on going

01:16:51.789 --> 01:16:55.630
out. And we're going to carry on documenting

01:16:55.630 --> 01:16:58.729
exactly what it's like to go out on a proper

01:16:58.729 --> 01:17:02.840
investigation. So people watching it have actually

01:17:02.840 --> 01:17:06.619
got a good reference to what's actually happens

01:17:06.619 --> 01:17:11.449
and what actually happens on a fake channel.

01:17:12.189 --> 01:17:15.069
So that was one of the reasons why we carried

01:17:15.069 --> 01:17:19.289
on really, because it was kind of a debunking

01:17:19.289 --> 01:17:24.729
itself, seeing a channel like ours where one

01:17:24.729 --> 01:17:29.390
knock per video was lucky to this channel that's

01:17:29.390 --> 01:17:33.430
got stuff happening every 30 seconds. So yeah.

01:17:34.500 --> 01:17:37.640
That was kind of another reason why we, you know,

01:17:37.739 --> 01:17:41.199
we, we pursued it and carried on releasing content.

01:17:42.000 --> 01:17:44.380
Um, even though it was quiet most of the time.

01:17:44.880 --> 01:17:49.850
So, yeah. I asked you wanted to kind of, this

01:17:49.850 --> 01:17:53.449
is lighthearted. Um, kind of the bunk, one of

01:17:53.449 --> 01:17:55.529
your debunks that your latest episode will be

01:17:55.529 --> 01:17:58.390
taught about the, uh, haughty Britain investigations.

01:17:58.869 --> 01:18:02.479
It made me laugh because I think it is. Quite

01:18:02.479 --> 01:18:04.840
not a very known thing and it's quite neat. Maybe

01:18:04.840 --> 01:18:07.000
I watched it with material before came on to

01:18:07.000 --> 01:18:09.420
this I was laughing watching it because the guy

01:18:09.420 --> 01:18:13.359
in it. He says I can't burp You know, like what

01:18:13.359 --> 01:18:16.579
do you mean can't burp? But I work with a lad

01:18:16.579 --> 01:18:18.319
Jakey for listening. He sometimes listens to

01:18:18.319 --> 01:18:22.100
my stuff. He can't burp really it is natural

01:18:22.100 --> 01:18:26.539
disorder where it's so to do with the reflex

01:18:26.539 --> 01:18:30.359
that makes you yeah, yeah into the burp he eats

01:18:30.579 --> 01:18:32.479
physically can't burp. So how him and his brothers,

01:18:32.699 --> 01:18:34.720
there's four of them, two of them can't burp.

01:18:34.920 --> 01:18:39.260
It's some weird genetic thing. But it makes him

01:18:39.260 --> 01:18:41.180
like fart a lot of stuff, like it comes out,

01:18:41.340 --> 01:18:43.960
but he can't release it or whatever. He can't

01:18:43.960 --> 01:18:46.600
make himself be sick or anything like that. It's

01:18:46.600 --> 01:18:50.159
very rare. But when he said it before, that guy's

01:18:50.159 --> 01:18:52.100
like, I can't burp. I was like, I know someone

01:18:52.100 --> 01:18:54.859
that can't burp. I was like, I haven't talked

01:18:54.859 --> 01:18:59.039
to him tonight. I would only know because I work

01:18:59.039 --> 01:19:02.159
with the guy that... Can't burp, but yeah, I

01:19:02.159 --> 01:19:04.359
was saying I was laughing and I thinking he's

01:19:04.359 --> 01:19:05.960
probably saying the truth. I can't burp think

01:19:05.960 --> 01:19:09.520
if he has got this Wow, I didn't know that. Yeah.

01:19:09.600 --> 01:19:13.960
Well deep you have debunked me there, sir But

01:19:13.960 --> 01:19:16.340
yeah, I'm sure where he kept if he's got like

01:19:16.340 --> 01:19:18.819
no gag rate like Rome reflex he won't be able

01:19:18.819 --> 01:19:23.359
to be vomit or Like like no, I wouldn't talk

01:19:23.359 --> 01:19:26.010
get the sickly feeling stuff we kind of Want

01:19:26.010 --> 01:19:28.090
to be sick so you try and go make yourself even

01:19:28.090 --> 01:19:31.149
so hey can't yeah, it's a really Jesus. It's

01:19:31.149 --> 01:19:34.470
really horrible. It's quite like Bad gassy type

01:19:34.470 --> 01:19:36.449
because you can't release it all the time and

01:19:36.449 --> 01:19:38.970
stuff. We have to like fart a lot Yeah, and stuff

01:19:38.970 --> 01:19:43.649
to get rid of it. It's weird. It's mad I stand

01:19:43.649 --> 01:19:46.890
corrected. Learn something every day. I've taught

01:19:46.890 --> 01:19:51.630
you something after all this time. Thank you

01:19:51.630 --> 01:19:54.350
very much, Mike. It's been an absolute pleasure

01:19:54.350 --> 01:19:56.750
speaking to you. You're more than welcome. After

01:19:56.750 --> 01:20:00.569
watching your videos. Where can people find you?

01:20:00.649 --> 01:20:02.109
Obviously we'll put it in the show notes for

01:20:02.109 --> 01:20:07.289
everybody. Well, I mean, I try to keep everything

01:20:07.289 --> 01:20:11.909
really in one place. So yeah, YouTube is the

01:20:11.909 --> 01:20:16.069
best place uh to find me so that will be um at

01:20:16.069 --> 01:20:21.250
real evidence uk um or real evidence paranormal

01:20:21.250 --> 01:20:24.449
um you'll find me there or you can go onto facebook

01:20:24.449 --> 01:20:26.550
as well i'm on i'm on there a little bit i'll

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just post my videos from youtube on there really

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so and that's just real evidence but uh yeah

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uh instagram facebook and youtube Uh, but youtube's

01:20:36.920 --> 01:20:39.600
the main one, uh, all real evidence, uh, you'll

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see the uh, you'll see the logo which one it

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is so Yeah So it's it's the one behind there

01:20:45.760 --> 01:20:48.100
if you don't know it's kind of like that for

01:20:48.100 --> 01:20:51.380
everybody. Yeah Nice one. Well, thank you so

01:20:51.380 --> 01:20:54.260
much. It's been um a pleasure talking to you

01:20:54.260 --> 01:20:57.659
Uh and to get your your take on the paranormal

01:20:57.659 --> 01:21:01.739
as well, um, especially with the work that you

01:21:01.739 --> 01:21:06.800
do debunking Like I said, I originally thought

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I wasn't sure about debunkers but I appreciate

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The work and effort that you put into educating

01:21:15.800 --> 01:21:19.760
people the pet and the pain Yeah, the pain and

01:21:19.760 --> 01:21:22.180
the amount of a lot. I've literally got I've

01:21:22.180 --> 01:21:25.020
got ibuprofen here. Look just no because I have

01:21:25.020 --> 01:21:31.859
to watch so much crap It's good work is hard

01:21:31.859 --> 01:21:38.609
work I'm glad you had me on and kind of can explain

01:21:38.609 --> 01:21:42.270
where I'm coming at and why I do it. I don't

01:21:42.270 --> 01:21:46.409
do it to be a dick. I do it for my love for the

01:21:46.409 --> 01:21:51.310
paranormal and I wouldn't say hate, but the dislike

01:21:51.310 --> 01:21:56.289
for people that take people for a ride. So yeah,

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I'm glad you realize. realise that and you can

01:22:02.750 --> 01:22:05.989
respect what we do and I appreciate that. I appreciate

01:22:05.989 --> 01:22:08.729
all the support that I get for being a debunker.

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And yeah, it's been an absolute pleasure and

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thank you for inviting me on. It's been a good

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chat.