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Let's see if there's something to it. I was quite

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lucky that on that night I was wandering around

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with a night vision camera and it was with a

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group who didn't really control the environment

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that much. So there were people just running

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all over the place. So we we ended up hiding

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out near the entrance doors. I'm not sure if

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you guys have ever been to Woodchester Mansion

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at all. That's a great one. We got to go sometime

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because you can get it cheap on a Friday. But

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near the entrance door, it was like a little

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offshoot room. And I thought, path, there's no

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one running around the scraping there. And I

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just got the weird feeling that that someone

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was watching me. And suddenly my earphones, I

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heard. And like, oh, where did that come from?

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And I played it back and I still go to this day.

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And there's that thing which came out of nowhere.

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And I thought there is there's something to this.

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I don't know what it was, but then. I hit it

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more and more and more because I was like. I

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was kind of like, I'm not obsessed, but just

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so interested. There's definitely was something

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and no one knows what that was. What was it?

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And I just built up all this evidence and all

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these other things at great places. And I couldn't

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really see where I was going with it because

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I was just I was just running around places collecting

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things. Good audio, interesting video, seeing

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something and not recording it. You're listening

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to Pursuit of the Paranormal podcast with your

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hosts, Ash Ellis and Greg Tomlinson. Welcome

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Andy Guy. Thanks for coming on to the pod. How

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are you doing? Thanks. Thanks very much for having

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me. Yeah, I'm doing fantastic. It's been a while

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in the making, me coming on this, isn't it? We're

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really not talking about it. Years now. I was

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going to say, it must be years that we've seen

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each other at all these different places and

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how we've never done it. But this time, this

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time you were on it because the second you saw

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me, you're like, right, let's work out a date.

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And then you said a day, you said a month. I

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was like, no, before that, before that. But I

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know you are a very busy person. It's a busy

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time of the year. It is Spooky season is super

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busy in the paranormal. It is the season. Yes.

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Yeah, it is the season to be spooky So Before

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we get into current day stuff What we like to

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do is have a chat with the guests and say how

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did you get to where you are today? So, how did

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you get into the paranormal? Where did it all

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start? So, OK, so this is the long story. So

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I had always been interested in spooky stuff,

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unexplained stuff since I was a kid. So like

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a few people have met so far, I used to go to

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the school library and check out all the ghost

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books, the Usborne book of ghosts and UFOs and

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monsters, but also kind of read some loads of

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Peter Underwood at the time. And but also the

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other stuff I was into, the cryptids and the

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other. odd mysteries and i was always just i

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was really interested in the fact that there

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was so many so many things that people had seen

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and heard and recorded but it was still it was

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still not accepted it was still so mystery and

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i thought why is this um but i never had a personal

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experience uh for a long time wasn't until um

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i went to woodchester mansion in in 2011 um on

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a ghost hunt which my girlfriend got me as a

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present we both went there And i've been watching

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the old ghost hunters us show and so i kind of

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knew i knew the pattern the sort of things you

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could do the experimentation but also i thought

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i'm gonna do this i'm gonna i'm gonna go hard

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on it so i bought a mel meter and a night vision

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camera and audio recorder and a thing i had a

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cater at that point yeah so because i thought

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if there's something to this i want to kind of

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try and record it and take something away for

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me to see if there's something to it. I was quite

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lucky that on that night I was wandering around

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with a night vision camera and it was with a

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group who didn't really control the environment

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that much. So there were people just running

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all over the place. So we ended up hiding out

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near the entrance doors. I'm not sure if you

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guys have ever been to Woodchester Mansion at

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all. That's a great one. We've got to go sometime

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because you can get it cheap on a Friday. What's

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that new interest or is there a little offshoot

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room i thought that there's no one running around

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scraping and i just got a weird feeling that

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someone was watching me so i was over camera

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earphones into the camera and said is someone

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watching me why are you watching me and then

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put the camera in the room and then suddenly

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my earphones i heard and like oh where did that

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come from and i played it back and still go to

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this day And there's that thing which came out

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of nowhere. And I thought there is there's something

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to this. And I don't know what it was. But then

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I hit it more and more and more because I was

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like, well, it's kind of like I'm not obsessed,

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but just so interested. There's definitely was

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something and no one knows what that was. What

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was it? And I just built up all this evidence,

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all these other things at great places. And I

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couldn't really see where I was going with it

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because I was just I was just running around

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places collecting things. good audio, interesting

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video, seeing something and not recording it.

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But how do you progress with that? And it wasn't

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until someone was sitting in a really bright

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August castle, Margam Castle, and they said,

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so why do we bother starting early? It's still

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light. You never get anything when it's like

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this. And I was thinking, well, That's interesting,

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is that the case? I do not see things or hear

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things or record things if it's still light or

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summer or winter or stormy. Is there a chance

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that you could then work out and predict if you're

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likely to get something? Because some places

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I've been to 30 plus times and it's never the

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same twice. So what changes? You can go to the

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same people, try the same things one night. It's

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fantastic. One night you're just talking to the

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air for six hours. So that's where I got into

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trying to record as many variables as possible

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to see what's the magic combination of conditions

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and experiments and people and location. What,

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what means you're going to get a good night?

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Um, and to do that, I decided figuring out how

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to build data loggers and then building data

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loggers and then kept putting extra centers onto

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it. And. Over time, started to see interesting

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patterns of changes in the environment which

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were occurring just before or drawing other paranormal

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events. So I was recording the footsteps on the

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battlements of Fort Whitley, but then seeing

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this air pressure fluctuation that occurred just

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before them. Or we just mentioned where there

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was a number of things all happening at the same

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time, and there was a sudden surge of magnetic

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energy in one area of the building. Because it's

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annoying to walk away from a place and think,

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it was an OK night, and then you see the data,

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you think, whoa, that's really interesting. Or

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those patterns occurred somewhere and you didn't

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spot something at the time. I started making

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little devices. There's guys back here which

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wouldn't tell me when those conditions were occurring

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to then be able to react to them in the moment.

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Over time, when I started putting those things

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out on investigations, other people saw them

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and they wanted me to make them one. And finally,

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the point where I was just making so many for

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different people, I thought I needed to start

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industrializing it so I could actually do this

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and also keep my own research going and not spend

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all my time just making equipment for other people.

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So that's kind of where Sky came from, which

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is purposely built to then put out there the

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results of the things I'm researching for then

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other people to try and see if they get similar

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results. That told you a long story. So do you

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have any kind of technical or sort of engineering

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background or just something you just taught

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yourself? Well, I've been programming since I

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was about six years old. sharpens at 700 and

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went through all the kind of the British home

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computers. So I was very familiar of working

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kind of with low level equipment and to be able

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to figure out how to connect to sensors and be

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around. Passionately I'd worked for Dell back

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in the day repairing CRT monitors. Remember that?

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Repairing things? Yeah, and then But then the

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experiences I had in other jobs, industrialization

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of things, when I was a project manager for years,

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that was quite useful because it means I could

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improve the process of making things to the point

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where I'm not having to spend all my time just

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making things and not spending any time on trying

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to progress the research. So I've professionally

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used a lot of skills. which then helped me progress

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the things I wanted to do outside it. So you

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mentioned Woodchester Mansion. It's not somewhere

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I've been. And you mentioned a voice as well.

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How were you feeling about that when you first

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heard something like that? And have you had any

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other experiences like that that you've been

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able to then correlate with the equipment? Yeah,

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so quite a few. I focus a lot on audio. I tend

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to find I have a better capture rate with audio

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than video. There's a Wimmering Manor in Portsmouth.

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It's a fantastic building. And whenever someone

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asks me if I want to go somewhere and see something,

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I'll say there, because it's had people seeing

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things there for centuries. most nights you go

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there, someone will see something. And I've seen

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full shadow figures with someone else watching

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me. But annoyingly, I wear this backpack rig,

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so it contains a night vision camera as well

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as the data logging. And I was trying to figure

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out where this weird thing that happened with

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the door, with the light being blocked, where

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it was coming from. And that wasn't... I was

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pointing at that instead of pointing upwards,

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so I completely didn't record the figure. But

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the logger, which was on the stairs, detected

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a sudden drop in radiation and air pressure fluctuation

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at the same time. So it's according to the data,

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but not on the video. But audio -wise, you've

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been to the Edinburgh vaults at all? We went

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down to Nidri Street once and we were in this

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very small kind of alcove thing that used to

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be, I think it was a wine celery bit. And there

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was people either side and right behind me, we

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met myself and my girlfriend, just heard a clear,

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hi. And both our backpacks have the data loggers.

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And we saw this sudden drop in temperature at

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the same time as the hi, which is kind of cool.

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But it's sort of rare. You don't normally see

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the temperature changes linked in with events

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as much. It seems like the temperature changes

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almost are in isolation and are inventing to

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themselves almost as opposed to an effect on

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the environment by the paranormal thing occurring.

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But I'm rambling a little bit with that. No,

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that's fine. I mean, there's this whole plethora

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of different paranormal gadgets and devices and

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stuff available. Obviously the most common like

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K2s and cat pulls and stuff like that. Um, what

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would you say is kind of, obviously you've got

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quite a range of your own device. I've got a

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couple of yours. I've got the vibro one that

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excite vibrations and the flux is over the air

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pressure one. Yeah. Use them too. Uh, quite a

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lot. So do you feel that sort of your equipment

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you've had more, but the ones you devised have

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more results or better kind of results than the

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kind of more typical devices that people use.

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I think results is a very good word for them

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because, um, I tend to find. Unless you really

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know what the equipment is doing, it's hard to

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really say what it's proven. One of the reasons

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I started making the temperature one I made,

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this one, the TAD, it was because I used to use

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a melmeter with an ATDD function on it, so it

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was detecting sudden hot spots and cold spots,

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because those are interesting. I've had enough

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like... cold blasts of air con temperature air

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in my face and know that there's something to

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sudden, extreme change of temperature. But the

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problem was, is there was no documentation for

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how much the change was or how fast the change

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was. So I could only really say that it changed,

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but you couldn't really then progress from it.

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You couldn't really learn from it. So the reason

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I started making some of this stuff was because

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I wanted to know how it worked. So that means

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that it means something when you get it. like

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your seismovibration sensor. I know what sets

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it off and how much vibration it needs. But with

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a geophone, you're not entirely sure what the

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parameters are, etc. So I do use some off -the

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-shelf stuff, but not much anymore. Yeah, I'm

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looking into radiation a lot recently. And for

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that, I've been getting various different radiators.

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high frequency radiations and not just standard

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EMF, something kind of into the gamma radiation,

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for example. And building those is a bit more

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difficult. So I've converted some of the things

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I've bought into a logger as well, just so I

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can then capture data from it. But I've got a

00:14:43.019 --> 00:14:44.980
couple of handhold units as well, because there's

00:14:44.980 --> 00:14:48.820
something to it, but I don't know what yet. And

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I think that's what... I find fascinating about

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you Andy is, um, I know when, when I first listened

00:14:55.950 --> 00:15:00.830
to one of your talks at paracon years ago, you

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were talking about, pardon. That was a busy one,

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wasn't it? Yeah, it was. And, um, I was just

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like, Oh my God, I feel completely out of my

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depth at this point. Um, and you were like blinding

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me with science. Me being quite a stupid person.

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So now you're talking about gamma radiation and

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stuff. It sounds super advanced compared to where

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like the paranormal community currently sits

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with equipment. Like Ash said, with capitals

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and K2s and REM pods and whatnot. How big of

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an issue is it when people have got their like

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watches, phones and stuff like that around your

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equipment. Does that cause you problems? Um,

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when you're trying to do an investigation with

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your own data loggers, et cetera. Yeah. So, uh,

00:16:02.690 --> 00:16:04.309
one thing you might've seen in the equipment

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I make, um, I always getting asked like, do you

00:16:07.710 --> 00:16:11.169
do, do you do a REM pod, et cetera, or do I make

00:16:11.169 --> 00:16:13.750
K2s? And like, why would I make them? You can

00:16:13.750 --> 00:16:18.889
respond, but I don't. Do much with emf because

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it's so difficult to control the environment.

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If you think about your phone, even if you're

00:16:24.990 --> 00:16:27.809
a few meters away from it, the phone is still

00:16:27.809 --> 00:16:30.169
communicating to the nearest tower. It's going

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hundreds of feet, if not miles. So it doesn't

00:16:34.210 --> 00:16:36.169
matter how far away you go, it's going to affect

00:16:36.169 --> 00:16:39.230
it. And you can't control if the people next

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door will have phones on or a strong wifi route,

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et cetera. So for me, EMF isn't a great indicator

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of any anomalies because you can't work out all

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the sources of EMF to then determine if it's

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natural or not. And one thing I like about higher

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up the frequency, so towards the, let's just

00:17:01.220 --> 00:17:03.460
say, let's call it radiation. It's all radiation,

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but it's easier to talk about. There's not much

00:17:07.319 --> 00:17:11.690
that gives that frequency of EMF out. So that's

00:17:11.690 --> 00:17:12.990
quite nice to look at, because you know that

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there's not much source of gamma radiation anywhere.

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And also, very low frequency is also quite good,

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because there's not a lot that does that, too.

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You get mains voltage, et cetera, but sometimes

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below that. That's interesting. But the big band

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where you see a lot of devices cover, there's

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too much effects there. There's too much noise

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around the place, and... It doesn't really progress.

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If you have a K2 and then you have a conversation

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with it and it seems like it's coming back to

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you and answering, it might be, but you can't

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really tell much about it. I've recently made,

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I'm not sure, showed you when I was there, a

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sniffer. I've been using these EMF sniffers for

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years. And then someone said, I really want one

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of those. And I started then making them quite

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recently for other people. So then you can hear.

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What emf has been picked up you know the tones

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of it and? Why personally as well then is one

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of those attached to an oscilloscope so you can

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look at the frequencies you're picking up Because

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that means then you can start to work with emf

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because then you go okay That's 50 hertz as mains

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voltage or that's 2 .4 gigahertz as a Wi -Fi

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router and you can then work out all the noise

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and maybe find something in frequencies are outside

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that which then are interesting. But as you build

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a room with a Faraday cage and then sit inside

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it, it's very hard to then progress any understanding

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of those interactions with EMF at the sort of

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noisy bands. Sorry, you set me off on one there,

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moaning about EMF. I think it's an important

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thing to discuss because a lot of devices like

00:19:02.549 --> 00:19:07.650
the K2, for example, is a staple device for everybody

00:19:07.650 --> 00:19:11.789
that's starting out or seasoned investigators.

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So it's important that people understand what

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can trigger them particularly. I mean, me and

00:19:19.349 --> 00:19:22.470
Ash, you can hold a K2 meter and like you say,

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we'll stand back and then you can still see.

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the phones affecting it. It looks intense. It

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is an interesting thing. So I used to look at

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a K2 meter and if it went up to like the middle

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and back again a few times, you go, okay, that's

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a phone. But in more recent years, phones have

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become a lot more powerful and it goes into the

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red instead now. So it's hard to even tell with

00:19:43.220 --> 00:19:45.539
a K2 if it's a phone or not. But you still sort

00:19:45.539 --> 00:19:47.220
of tell because it's doing that data transfer

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thing across. But K2 is kind of useful for some

00:19:51.319 --> 00:19:54.990
stuff. So If you were going to use something

00:19:54.990 --> 00:19:58.250
like a REM pod, using a K2 first just to see

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if there's any EMF under the floor or anywhere

00:20:02.089 --> 00:20:04.529
near it before you put it down, is a good way

00:20:04.529 --> 00:20:07.789
of making sure you're not contaminating your

00:20:07.789 --> 00:20:11.490
REM pod before you plop it down. Because I've

00:20:11.490 --> 00:20:13.150
known that before, people having great sessions

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and they say, this is fantastic, I've been to

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this person for a half an hour and I go back

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in there and go, you put it right on top of a

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junction box and that's just being set off by

00:20:21.130 --> 00:20:23.970
that continuously. Which is disappointing for

00:20:23.970 --> 00:20:27.950
everyone, really. Yeah. Party pooper. Yeah, I

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know. Video assisted referee things. It's my

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nickname sometimes. It's always a bad feeling,

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isn't it? When you kind of think you've got great

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evidence and then you find out what it was and

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it wasn't, you became an explanation. You're

00:20:47.549 --> 00:20:49.869
like, oh, that's good. I've investigated. I've

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done my job. but it's a bit of a bummer. I do

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a lot of UFO investigation stuff and 99 % we

00:21:01.660 --> 00:21:03.500
can identify what it is. We can feed that back

00:21:03.500 --> 00:21:05.619
to him. It's like I just ruined their 10 year

00:21:05.619 --> 00:21:09.380
story that they tell everyone. It's like they

00:21:09.380 --> 00:21:11.559
always say, believe what you want, but this is

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what I think it is, but it is that. But you want

00:21:14.380 --> 00:21:15.660
to carry on telling people that's up to you,

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but it is this. So what I like about your stuff

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is Cause you don't go off that often. So when

00:21:22.569 --> 00:21:25.210
it does, you feel like that's, you sort of maybe

00:21:25.210 --> 00:21:27.190
do something. Well, like K2s go off all the time

00:21:27.190 --> 00:21:28.970
and stuff like that. Whereas with your stuff

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and the stuff that I use, of yours, it doesn't

00:21:31.130 --> 00:21:33.650
go off that often. So it feels more real when

00:21:33.650 --> 00:21:35.630
it does go off. So, I mean, I'm not sure this

00:21:35.630 --> 00:21:38.650
is kind of answerable, but is there, is there

00:21:38.650 --> 00:21:41.130
kind of, or any clues and sort of give towards

00:21:41.130 --> 00:21:43.849
when doing investigations of when something might

00:21:43.849 --> 00:21:46.069
start going into that, there's something anomalous,

00:21:46.250 --> 00:21:48.950
properly anomalous here and happening. or just

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kind of other things that could set the equipment

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off. Is it kind of a point where you can sort

00:21:52.029 --> 00:21:54.289
of tell that, okay, there's something unexplained

00:21:54.289 --> 00:21:57.829
going on here? Yeah, it depends on the bit of

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kit, I think. Things like you have an Aeroflux,

00:22:02.329 --> 00:22:04.609
which is the term, which designed, in fact, all

00:22:04.609 --> 00:22:06.490
the stuff I make is designed to calibrate to

00:22:06.490 --> 00:22:08.750
the environment first. So it learns the current

00:22:08.750 --> 00:22:11.630
environment, the current changes. And so then

00:22:11.630 --> 00:22:14.480
you know what's... not normal, so what's above

00:22:14.480 --> 00:22:17.079
that level that is picked up originally. But

00:22:17.079 --> 00:22:19.940
with the Aeroflux, you can't use those during

00:22:19.940 --> 00:22:22.259
bad weather. When you've got stormy weather,

00:22:22.759 --> 00:22:25.099
which it's fun to investigate with, but things

00:22:25.099 --> 00:22:27.740
like air pressure, horrendously affected. So

00:22:27.740 --> 00:22:30.240
it's been going to go off all night as the pressure

00:22:30.240 --> 00:22:35.920
fluctuates rapidly. So you kind of got to be

00:22:35.920 --> 00:22:39.180
aware of what you're using and then what conditions

00:22:39.180 --> 00:22:42.119
they are as well. So we touch on EMF a lot, but...

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Temperature is a good one as well. If you're

00:22:45.400 --> 00:22:48.000
getting something going off and detecting lots

00:22:48.000 --> 00:22:49.619
of temperature changes, the first thing you should

00:22:49.619 --> 00:22:55.200
really do is see if the sensor is pointing towards

00:22:55.200 --> 00:22:58.380
a door, whereas a drafter is breezing underneath

00:22:58.380 --> 00:23:00.799
it, and that keeps changing the temperature.

00:23:02.420 --> 00:23:05.279
Knowing where the sensor is on the device, that's

00:23:05.279 --> 00:23:07.420
kind of key as well. So you can actually work

00:23:07.420 --> 00:23:10.700
out where you have to look. Some of them you

00:23:10.700 --> 00:23:14.619
don't know. It's like a K2. That works. If you've

00:23:14.619 --> 00:23:17.980
ever taken apart a K2, either intentionally or

00:23:17.980 --> 00:23:23.279
unintentionally. So that works in just a coil

00:23:23.279 --> 00:23:25.819
that goes around the outside of the PCB. So that

00:23:25.819 --> 00:23:28.700
coil only operates with waves that are coming

00:23:28.700 --> 00:23:31.180
in this direction. But if any waves come in this

00:23:31.180 --> 00:23:34.460
direction, it just doesn't pick them up. So knowing

00:23:34.460 --> 00:23:38.059
that means that if it's going off... If you turn

00:23:38.059 --> 00:23:40.440
it in another direction, you can then see where

00:23:40.440 --> 00:23:43.859
the source is coming from. Or potentially you

00:23:43.859 --> 00:23:45.339
might pick something up that you weren't doing

00:23:45.339 --> 00:23:47.640
before because you had it the wrong orientation.

00:23:48.500 --> 00:23:51.000
So that's just an example. It's kind of about

00:23:51.000 --> 00:23:52.720
knowing your kit. If you're going to take something

00:23:52.720 --> 00:23:55.519
out, then the more you know about it, the better.

00:23:55.759 --> 00:23:58.720
So when I make stuff, if I get asked technical

00:23:58.720 --> 00:24:00.920
details where it works, I just flat out just

00:24:00.920 --> 00:24:03.220
tell them exactly what it's doing, what change

00:24:03.220 --> 00:24:05.119
it's looking for, how quick the change has got

00:24:05.119 --> 00:24:09.240
to be. because it means to me that that person's

00:24:09.240 --> 00:24:11.359
actually interested in using it as a tool rather

00:24:11.359 --> 00:24:14.640
than just relying on it to tell them that something

00:24:14.640 --> 00:24:16.680
anomalous is happening. It means that they can

00:24:16.680 --> 00:24:19.359
learn from it and hopefully then come back to

00:24:19.359 --> 00:24:22.220
me, share what has happened and then I can then

00:24:22.220 --> 00:24:24.019
use that to progress things myself, which happens

00:24:24.019 --> 00:24:26.539
quite a lot. It's quite nice. There's a good

00:24:26.539 --> 00:24:28.880
community of people out there who want to share

00:24:28.880 --> 00:24:31.339
back their experiences, which then can be used

00:24:31.339 --> 00:24:34.500
to make the next generation of sensors and equipment.

00:24:37.170 --> 00:24:40.369
So I was sort of following on from Ash, really.

00:24:42.609 --> 00:24:45.269
So you have one device go off, you have two device

00:24:45.269 --> 00:24:48.710
go off, and you have, say, a third device go

00:24:48.710 --> 00:24:51.410
off. At what point does it become more than just

00:24:51.410 --> 00:24:55.910
a coincidence for you? That's called a preponderance

00:24:55.910 --> 00:24:58.930
of evidence. I think that was Harry Price who

00:24:58.930 --> 00:25:00.730
said that, where you actually kind of want to

00:25:00.730 --> 00:25:05.250
see multiple changes in the environment. As a

00:25:05.250 --> 00:25:07.430
good real -life example, when you walk into a

00:25:07.430 --> 00:25:11.490
room, the air pressure changes slightly because

00:25:11.490 --> 00:25:14.869
you moved into that room. Your temperature changes

00:25:14.869 --> 00:25:17.029
the environment slightly. You have a magnetic

00:25:17.029 --> 00:25:20.750
field and electrical field. And you bring your

00:25:20.750 --> 00:25:23.269
own moisture as well. So you've impacted the

00:25:23.269 --> 00:25:26.309
environment. And that's what I've seen in the

00:25:26.309 --> 00:25:28.029
data log as well. There's a number of different

00:25:28.029 --> 00:25:30.990
factors which are influencing it to different

00:25:30.990 --> 00:25:34.750
degrees. So what I look for is different types

00:25:34.750 --> 00:25:38.630
of sensors to then say something's happened and

00:25:38.630 --> 00:25:42.529
it's nomalous. But the way that I record those

00:25:42.529 --> 00:25:45.410
anomalies is not actually based off the air pressure

00:25:45.410 --> 00:25:48.910
change, therefore it's paranormal. My data points

00:25:48.910 --> 00:25:52.930
are when we've recorded something unexplained,

00:25:53.309 --> 00:25:56.589
but then we've evidenced it as well. So if we

00:25:56.589 --> 00:25:59.950
have a voice or footsteps or a door opens and

00:25:59.950 --> 00:26:03.150
I've actually got video or audio of it, that

00:26:03.150 --> 00:26:06.069
becomes the data point. And then if that translates

00:26:06.069 --> 00:26:08.150
and relates to the changes in the environment,

00:26:08.750 --> 00:26:10.650
then that's a key indicator that helps me move

00:26:10.650 --> 00:26:13.450
forward with the predictive stuff. And that's

00:26:13.450 --> 00:26:15.109
what I'm really working on in the background,

00:26:15.910 --> 00:26:17.490
improving the data loggers to remove variables,

00:26:17.569 --> 00:26:20.829
to then get to the point where I can come up

00:26:20.829 --> 00:26:23.309
on a screen and go, tonight, you have a possibility

00:26:23.309 --> 00:26:27.609
of 15 % of getting shadow figure, 30 % of getting

00:26:27.609 --> 00:26:29.630
footsteps, just based on the conditions and the

00:26:29.630 --> 00:26:32.630
changes. And then as the night progresses, to

00:26:32.630 --> 00:26:35.569
have that then start shifting the percentages

00:26:35.569 --> 00:26:38.069
so you then know that something might be about

00:26:38.069 --> 00:26:39.869
to occur and make sure you're recording audio

00:26:39.869 --> 00:26:43.670
or video or whatever. That's my goal. I'm pretty

00:26:43.670 --> 00:26:45.490
sure a lot of locations wouldn't like you to

00:26:45.490 --> 00:26:48.109
be saying that to people. We should be a hundred

00:26:48.109 --> 00:26:50.730
percent all the time. Yeah, it's not true though.

00:26:51.690 --> 00:26:54.829
I used to show this moon graph all the time,

00:26:55.009 --> 00:26:57.670
which is fascinating. So some patterns I've come

00:26:57.670 --> 00:26:59.170
up from all the data I've been doing all these

00:26:59.170 --> 00:27:04.049
years. One of them is moon phases. Based on evidenced

00:27:04.049 --> 00:27:06.470
events, things I can show you and you can hear,

00:27:07.970 --> 00:27:11.829
you're far more likely to record something and

00:27:11.829 --> 00:27:14.049
evidence it on a new moon than you are a full

00:27:14.049 --> 00:27:18.029
moon. It's like a bell curve. Investigation times

00:27:18.029 --> 00:27:21.130
around the full moon pretty much aren't even

00:27:21.130 --> 00:27:23.769
worth bothering with, which again, some locations

00:27:23.769 --> 00:27:26.690
wouldn't like you to not book them for a quarter

00:27:26.690 --> 00:27:33.920
of the month. It's interesting because I know

00:27:33.920 --> 00:27:36.519
someone who works at the police and when it's

00:27:36.519 --> 00:27:40.900
a full moon, more people go out and commit crime.

00:27:41.460 --> 00:27:44.900
So they actually staff more for full moons because

00:27:44.900 --> 00:27:49.099
it affects people in that way, which is pretty

00:27:49.099 --> 00:27:51.660
mad. So you're kind of saying for a paranormal

00:27:51.660 --> 00:27:56.339
point of view, it's actually the opposite. Unless

00:27:56.339 --> 00:27:59.569
they are the same thing. These are, these are

00:27:59.569 --> 00:28:01.569
evidenced events and those to be evidence, they

00:28:01.569 --> 00:28:03.750
have to be witnessed first. So someone's got

00:28:03.750 --> 00:28:06.630
to have recorded that they heard something and

00:28:06.630 --> 00:28:10.710
then record it. So as, as you've said, I've heard

00:28:10.710 --> 00:28:12.349
that a lot as well. I've got some police friends

00:28:12.349 --> 00:28:14.730
and also it happens in hospitals, full moons

00:28:14.730 --> 00:28:19.650
are bad hospital times too. Could it be that

00:28:19.650 --> 00:28:23.250
that influence on us means that we are not as

00:28:23.250 --> 00:28:25.950
perceptive of these things and therefore that's

00:28:25.950 --> 00:28:29.099
why we're not recording them so much. potentially.

00:28:29.599 --> 00:28:31.859
So they might be occurring, but we're just not

00:28:31.859 --> 00:28:35.779
tuning into them. It makes them more primal.

00:28:36.700 --> 00:28:39.339
Yeah, there's something that we should be tapping

00:28:39.339 --> 00:28:42.099
into, but we're not. The human factor is definitely

00:28:42.099 --> 00:28:46.799
there. It's not all air pressure and gamma radiation.

00:28:47.519 --> 00:28:49.900
The people involved are very much part of the

00:28:49.900 --> 00:28:55.900
combination log. Say you're there with all your

00:28:55.900 --> 00:29:00.900
equipment and you're looking at all the recordings

00:29:00.900 --> 00:29:05.720
and the results live. Do you think that if you

00:29:05.720 --> 00:29:09.579
were to feed back the stuff you were getting

00:29:09.579 --> 00:29:13.000
during the evening, whether or not that would

00:29:13.000 --> 00:29:16.000
lead paranormal investigators down a different

00:29:16.000 --> 00:29:20.700
route, or are you better off waiting until afterwards

00:29:20.700 --> 00:29:25.460
to see what they capture? sense and time log

00:29:25.460 --> 00:29:28.839
their own stuff. Do you think there's method

00:29:28.839 --> 00:29:34.220
in that? Or it could be both actually got a good

00:29:34.220 --> 00:29:37.779
way of leading, not leading, but progressing

00:29:37.779 --> 00:29:40.220
an investigation during the night. Yeah, I'm

00:29:40.220 --> 00:29:44.279
a big believer in trying to use all the tools

00:29:44.279 --> 00:29:48.099
to your advantage on the night. So if something's

00:29:48.099 --> 00:29:50.579
going on, you know what you're doing is right.

00:29:51.380 --> 00:29:56.009
And you then can progress with that. So some

00:29:56.009 --> 00:29:58.529
of the data logs we use, I'm wearing, there's

00:29:58.529 --> 00:30:00.410
one that's outside the building, so we have a

00:30:00.410 --> 00:30:02.029
control and we can then check against the weather.

00:30:02.670 --> 00:30:04.710
But some of them are static units with graphs

00:30:04.710 --> 00:30:06.490
on them. As soon as it detects an anomaly, it

00:30:06.490 --> 00:30:08.690
switches to graph and you can then see what's

00:30:08.690 --> 00:30:10.730
happening. And I've seen sessions where people

00:30:10.730 --> 00:30:12.569
who just stand there just staring at these graphs,

00:30:13.250 --> 00:30:18.329
but then also using them as communication things.

00:30:19.369 --> 00:30:21.029
someone will be asking questions and someone

00:30:21.029 --> 00:30:22.789
will be staring at this graph. And if they see

00:30:22.789 --> 00:30:26.150
any spikes, they'll go hit or if it drops down,

00:30:26.289 --> 00:30:27.990
especially the air pressure, they'll go miss.

00:30:28.210 --> 00:30:32.210
So then try and then communicate using it. And

00:30:32.210 --> 00:30:35.750
because my research is based on evidence events

00:30:35.750 --> 00:30:40.670
and the environmental conditions aren't evidence

00:30:40.670 --> 00:30:43.430
in themselves, those are additional data based

00:30:43.430 --> 00:30:47.650
on it. If we don't record any audio or video

00:30:47.650 --> 00:30:51.009
or There are some soft things as well, but basically

00:30:51.009 --> 00:30:52.849
something which you can play back to someone

00:30:52.849 --> 00:30:55.450
else is not even a data point. So it doesn't

00:30:55.450 --> 00:30:58.869
really get used unless something can be captured.

00:30:59.809 --> 00:31:03.230
That being said, I think there's quite a lot

00:31:03.230 --> 00:31:09.309
in not ignoring things. So if people say, I've

00:31:09.309 --> 00:31:13.009
just had a name come to mind, then we can't do

00:31:13.009 --> 00:31:16.609
much with that. We can't with that one... Say,

00:31:16.609 --> 00:31:19.089
okay, I can't see in your mind. I believe that

00:31:19.089 --> 00:31:21.210
was you. I came to mind. Absolutely. But we're

00:31:21.210 --> 00:31:22.589
going to make a note of it. And we're going to

00:31:22.589 --> 00:31:24.630
stick it on our database along with all the other

00:31:24.630 --> 00:31:29.490
stuff and that location. And over time, see if,

00:31:29.529 --> 00:31:32.710
hang on, we've had that name before. In fact,

00:31:32.789 --> 00:31:36.990
there's one place, one of the forts in Portsmouth

00:31:36.990 --> 00:31:39.869
that we've had the same name come up for the

00:31:39.869 --> 00:31:42.849
last decade across many investigations, different

00:31:42.849 --> 00:31:47.319
people. different ways of doing it, some electronic,

00:31:48.400 --> 00:31:51.299
some a lot more spiritual, but different people.

00:31:51.660 --> 00:31:53.819
And just the same name in the same, literally

00:31:53.819 --> 00:31:56.960
the same room over that decade. I'm like, okay,

00:31:57.059 --> 00:31:59.339
that's now become quite interesting, but you

00:31:59.339 --> 00:32:02.519
only do that by, unfortunately, writing things

00:32:02.519 --> 00:32:05.259
down, which is where your science comes in. And

00:32:05.259 --> 00:32:09.559
then becomes, it's still not massively useful

00:32:09.559 --> 00:32:12.539
apart from including that in your experiments.

00:32:12.640 --> 00:32:14.880
So you go back and then you try and speak to

00:32:14.880 --> 00:32:17.539
that person using that name or I've done a few

00:32:17.539 --> 00:32:19.940
times using different names, seeing if anything

00:32:19.940 --> 00:32:21.960
happens and then use the name that I want to

00:32:21.960 --> 00:32:24.539
really get something from and then had good results

00:32:24.539 --> 00:32:28.180
from that. So it's okay to make sure everything

00:32:28.180 --> 00:32:32.579
is written down and noted and then you can actually

00:32:32.579 --> 00:32:36.420
use it, even if it's not on audio or video or

00:32:36.420 --> 00:32:40.170
a graph. It's a very complex thing, the thing

00:32:40.170 --> 00:32:44.589
we're doing. A lot of moving parts. On that kind

00:32:44.589 --> 00:32:48.029
of topic, do you think paranormal investigators

00:32:48.029 --> 00:32:52.130
sometimes place too much faith in sort of technology

00:32:52.130 --> 00:32:55.950
and devices? Yeah, I think, and I've always said

00:32:55.950 --> 00:32:58.849
this to people, that if you're going to a place

00:32:58.849 --> 00:33:01.150
and no matter what you're using, you're not there

00:33:01.150 --> 00:33:05.160
to talk to your K2. you're there trying to communicate

00:33:05.160 --> 00:33:08.039
with the personality. And cards on the table,

00:33:08.480 --> 00:33:11.619
I haven't seen enough evidence to say what we're

00:33:11.619 --> 00:33:15.559
talking to is the spirit of someone who's died

00:33:15.559 --> 00:33:18.220
and that spirit has remained in the building

00:33:18.220 --> 00:33:21.480
and you're communicating to them somehow. I think

00:33:21.480 --> 00:33:23.559
there might be lots of factors. There might be

00:33:23.559 --> 00:33:25.960
several different things. But I always go into

00:33:25.960 --> 00:33:28.980
it with an assumption I am talking to someone

00:33:28.980 --> 00:33:31.480
and I treat it like I'm talking to someone. And

00:33:31.480 --> 00:33:34.119
if something goes off, I know that maybe that's

00:33:34.119 --> 00:33:35.819
the thing I'm saying or the thing we're doing

00:33:35.819 --> 00:33:38.160
has had some impact. And I'll just keep going

00:33:38.160 --> 00:33:41.599
with that, but not make them do tricks. I'd always

00:33:41.599 --> 00:33:45.019
think, how would I want to be treated if I was

00:33:45.019 --> 00:33:47.220
really trying to communicate with someone? And

00:33:47.220 --> 00:33:50.380
the first thing they did after I strained to

00:33:50.380 --> 00:33:53.500
make a knocking noise was to be asked to do it

00:33:53.500 --> 00:33:57.660
again. That'd be annoying. I'd want to try and

00:33:57.660 --> 00:34:00.640
prove that I was there by just continuing a conversation.

00:34:03.919 --> 00:34:07.680
Yeah. Okay. Can you do it again? And when you

00:34:07.680 --> 00:34:09.639
get it again, and the first thing after that

00:34:09.639 --> 00:34:11.739
is then, okay, that's great. Can you do it again?

00:34:12.780 --> 00:34:18.719
I'm out of here. Yeah. Hadn't thought of that.

00:34:19.179 --> 00:34:22.639
People are guilty of that. Yeah. Yeah. So I like

00:34:22.639 --> 00:34:24.820
to try and, I'm trying to run with things even

00:34:24.820 --> 00:34:26.739
before I try and debunk them quite often. I would

00:34:26.739 --> 00:34:30.039
say you might think it's a radiator knocking,

00:34:30.179 --> 00:34:34.409
but run with it. And if then you're not getting

00:34:34.409 --> 00:34:36.909
anything else, then spend a bit of time jumping

00:34:36.909 --> 00:34:41.050
down the floorboards and kicking radiators or

00:34:41.050 --> 00:34:43.530
tapping walls and stuff. But you might miss an

00:34:43.530 --> 00:34:46.849
opportunity to speak to someone. And that could

00:34:46.849 --> 00:34:49.409
be anything. It could be alternative realities,

00:34:49.989 --> 00:34:53.889
higher dimensions, parallel universes, which

00:34:53.889 --> 00:34:57.769
you're actually speaking to yourself. I've got

00:34:57.769 --> 00:34:59.670
a bit of a tangent there, but I've got enough

00:34:59.670 --> 00:35:02.000
evidence and things that have happened. which

00:35:02.000 --> 00:35:05.760
to me points towards a much more complex picture

00:35:05.760 --> 00:35:09.760
about what we're picking up. Yeah, part of our

00:35:09.760 --> 00:35:16.460
talk where we talk about the Estes method covers

00:35:16.460 --> 00:35:18.860
the fact that just because you're in a paranormal

00:35:18.860 --> 00:35:21.420
location doesn't mean you're necessarily speaking

00:35:21.420 --> 00:35:27.400
to a dead human. It's more complex than that,

00:35:27.420 --> 00:35:31.550
I think. I do genuinely believe it. The more

00:35:31.550 --> 00:35:35.909
we do this, the more questions I have and the

00:35:35.909 --> 00:35:38.449
less I seem to know. And I think that's something

00:35:38.449 --> 00:35:41.110
like, so when we first started Ash was UFO, I

00:35:41.110 --> 00:35:46.309
was paranormal. And then it's become this, this

00:35:46.309 --> 00:35:50.469
thing underneath a big umbrella of whatever it

00:35:50.469 --> 00:36:01.929
is. And I don't, I don't know. There is, we've

00:36:01.929 --> 00:36:05.030
spoken to a demonologist, and again, a lot of

00:36:05.030 --> 00:36:10.489
this is some of its anecdotal feelings people

00:36:10.489 --> 00:36:12.670
have, things that they've been told that can't

00:36:12.670 --> 00:36:18.210
be referenced to a fact -driven evidence guy.

00:36:19.869 --> 00:36:21.789
And to be fair, we all are to a certain extent,

00:36:21.789 --> 00:36:25.150
we need to know. I don't necessarily believe

00:36:25.150 --> 00:36:31.190
a person unless I know A, more about it, B, more

00:36:31.190 --> 00:36:34.329
about the person, and is there any evidence to

00:36:34.329 --> 00:36:38.110
back it up? Without that, you're still having

00:36:38.110 --> 00:36:41.010
to rely on someone's word. But this guy, this

00:36:41.010 --> 00:36:45.630
demonologist, claimed that fallen angels were

00:36:45.630 --> 00:36:48.670
grey aliens. So they weren't actually spirits

00:36:48.670 --> 00:36:53.170
of whatever. They were more of an alien entity

00:36:53.170 --> 00:36:57.289
or non -human intelligence. And we've then spoken

00:36:57.289 --> 00:37:02.969
to a guy recently, who got messages from non

00:37:02.969 --> 00:37:07.150
human intelligence that's allowed him to assist

00:37:07.150 --> 00:37:10.969
with the emotional intelligence programming for

00:37:10.969 --> 00:37:15.409
AI companies. So that's a bit freaky, the more

00:37:15.409 --> 00:37:17.610
I think about that. And as I just said, I thought

00:37:17.610 --> 00:37:22.210
I was thinking to myself, so we got non a NHI,

00:37:22.389 --> 00:37:24.670
helping to program AI potentially from an emotional

00:37:24.670 --> 00:37:28.480
point of view. Yeah. So what You mentioned about

00:37:28.480 --> 00:37:31.199
human spirit. What do you think they are? What

00:37:31.199 --> 00:37:34.800
do you think it might be? That's a very good

00:37:34.800 --> 00:37:40.079
question. I've got more evidence. So some of

00:37:40.079 --> 00:37:43.780
the evidence I've got, for example, right? So

00:37:43.780 --> 00:37:45.139
come back to what you just mentioned, there was

00:37:45.139 --> 00:37:50.559
one time there that it's nice and cheap to rent.

00:37:50.599 --> 00:37:55.000
So we went away with three people and There was

00:37:55.000 --> 00:37:58.320
one guy who normally books the investigations,

00:37:58.440 --> 00:38:00.239
who runs the group Southern Ghost Society, which

00:38:00.239 --> 00:38:05.000
I've investigated with for years. We heard him

00:38:05.000 --> 00:38:08.820
saying, hello, just outside the break room, we

00:38:08.820 --> 00:38:13.980
were sitting there having a cup of tea. He was

00:38:13.980 --> 00:38:16.179
going to go to that night, but then couldn't.

00:38:16.539 --> 00:38:18.579
Then on a separate occasion, we were wandering

00:38:18.579 --> 00:38:21.199
around the end of the night when we What about

00:38:21.199 --> 00:38:23.679
what was packing up? And then we saw myself and

00:38:23.679 --> 00:38:25.500
my partner saw him walking towards us and go

00:38:25.500 --> 00:38:28.599
down staircase to a cellar. We then walked past

00:38:28.599 --> 00:38:31.159
that cellar, walked into a room and he was there.

00:38:31.699 --> 00:38:34.440
And this, this concept of ghosts of the living

00:38:34.440 --> 00:38:37.000
has been around for so long. There's some very,

00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:40.039
very well documented cases like the Admiral who

00:38:40.039 --> 00:38:42.719
walked into a mess room and everyone saw him,

00:38:42.739 --> 00:38:45.820
but he was actually just about to die on another

00:38:45.820 --> 00:38:51.050
ship. That to me means that There's no way that's

00:38:51.050 --> 00:38:54.289
a soul of a person. So when we saw a guy called

00:38:54.289 --> 00:38:57.610
Dan walking down some stairs, his soul was in

00:38:57.610 --> 00:39:01.610
the break room, packing up the tierne, not wandering

00:39:01.610 --> 00:39:04.630
around the building. So that more points towards

00:39:04.630 --> 00:39:10.090
if there was some parallel universe where, in

00:39:10.090 --> 00:39:12.809
this first case, Dan did go with us to the investigation

00:39:12.809 --> 00:39:16.050
or did walk down the cellar instead of packing

00:39:16.050 --> 00:39:19.739
up the tierne. and for some brief period of time

00:39:19.739 --> 00:39:23.639
we were able to pick up and witness the other

00:39:23.639 --> 00:39:27.599
parallel universe but also the data logging i'm

00:39:27.599 --> 00:39:31.099
picking up i'm looking to see if that's also

00:39:31.099 --> 00:39:33.099
what we're picking up as well because the air

00:39:33.099 --> 00:39:35.559
pressure thing the air flux there's not much

00:39:35.559 --> 00:39:38.840
that changes air pressure either the amount of

00:39:38.840 --> 00:39:42.179
air that's in the room the altitude you're at

00:39:42.179 --> 00:39:44.960
and the gravity that's pulling it down and if

00:39:44.960 --> 00:39:47.690
the air flux is just sitting on a on a table,

00:39:48.269 --> 00:39:49.949
it's not going up or down. It's not choosing

00:39:49.949 --> 00:39:53.030
altitude. There's very little going to push that

00:39:53.030 --> 00:39:55.070
much air into the room. So the only thing left

00:39:55.070 --> 00:39:58.010
really is gravity. So on those times of picking

00:39:58.010 --> 00:40:02.230
up those anomalies, are we briefly connecting

00:40:02.230 --> 00:40:06.769
to another parallel universe which has slightly

00:40:06.769 --> 00:40:08.909
different physics or different frequencies? So

00:40:08.909 --> 00:40:10.570
we're picking up a different amount of gravity

00:40:10.570 --> 00:40:14.030
briefly. That's kind of where I think I'm coming

00:40:14.030 --> 00:40:21.190
down more than stored personality. But that being

00:40:21.190 --> 00:40:24.510
said, there's some interesting theories, quite

00:40:24.510 --> 00:40:29.010
old ones now, about this concept that our consciousnesses

00:40:29.010 --> 00:40:31.969
don't actually reside in our brains, but our

00:40:31.969 --> 00:40:35.050
bodies are just a vessel for interacting with

00:40:35.050 --> 00:40:38.289
the universe and our consciousnesses exist on

00:40:38.289 --> 00:40:41.469
a higher dimension, so fourth and above, and

00:40:41.469 --> 00:40:44.289
then interact with our bodies in order to move

00:40:44.289 --> 00:40:45.750
around and experience the universe. And when

00:40:45.750 --> 00:40:48.769
we die, we just get disconnected and then our

00:40:48.769 --> 00:40:50.570
consciousnesses then go and connect to another

00:40:50.570 --> 00:40:53.590
body later down the line, which then ties well

00:40:53.590 --> 00:40:56.469
into what people have thought for years and experiences

00:40:56.469 --> 00:40:58.769
people had where their kids remember some past

00:40:58.769 --> 00:41:02.929
life. Maybe that's not a different soul or the

00:41:02.929 --> 00:41:05.769
soul passing down. It's just the body's connected

00:41:05.769 --> 00:41:09.309
to this other dimensional spirit plane. But in

00:41:09.309 --> 00:41:13.480
reality, it's just another dimension. I'm definitely

00:41:13.480 --> 00:41:17.900
more coming now on that side rather than somehow

00:41:17.900 --> 00:41:23.340
a personality and there's this there's too many

00:41:23.340 --> 00:41:25.239
bits which you need to interact with the world

00:41:25.239 --> 00:41:29.400
so if you believe someone can see you and hear

00:41:29.400 --> 00:41:32.579
you then they are picking up on lots of things

00:41:32.579 --> 00:41:35.320
which are so when you talk you move the air you

00:41:35.320 --> 00:41:37.079
change the pressure of the air and that goes

00:41:37.079 --> 00:41:39.440
towards them and it hits an air drum where is

00:41:39.440 --> 00:41:43.809
that on on a Let's say a traditional ghost. They

00:41:43.809 --> 00:41:45.750
need mechanical things to pick up the air pressure

00:41:45.750 --> 00:41:47.889
change. And seeing you, they need to be able

00:41:47.889 --> 00:41:49.869
to have receptors which pick up reflected light

00:41:49.869 --> 00:41:52.630
that's bouncing off of you. So there's lots of

00:41:52.630 --> 00:41:56.050
bits which don't really work when you think about

00:41:56.050 --> 00:41:59.489
the things that a ghost would need to have these

00:41:59.489 --> 00:42:01.829
interactions. And don't get me into how we move

00:42:01.829 --> 00:42:05.949
cupboard doors. That one, I can't explain at

00:42:05.949 --> 00:42:09.030
all in any shape or form because I've seen that

00:42:09.030 --> 00:42:11.809
a few times and I had a number of doors go on

00:42:11.809 --> 00:42:19.989
me and yeah, too many questions. That's, um,

00:42:20.650 --> 00:42:29.210
yeah. It's kind of a different perspective on

00:42:29.210 --> 00:42:32.340
similar. theories that we've spoken about before.

00:42:32.900 --> 00:42:35.079
That's a really good kind of perspective on it,

00:42:35.500 --> 00:42:37.880
with the consciousness thing. I was just thinking,

00:42:38.420 --> 00:42:40.039
I wonder whether kind of panel investigation,

00:42:40.820 --> 00:42:41.800
particularly the sort of stuff that you're doing,

00:42:41.880 --> 00:42:43.679
in particular with obviously data logging and

00:42:43.679 --> 00:42:47.579
evidencing as much as possible, would kind of,

00:42:47.579 --> 00:42:50.300
do you see it coming more mainstream in the scientific

00:42:50.300 --> 00:42:53.320
community at some point, or do you think it's

00:42:53.320 --> 00:43:02.460
still too far from? I've been, I've been hoping

00:43:02.460 --> 00:43:06.500
for that, if I'm honest. I've made some efforts

00:43:06.500 --> 00:43:09.519
to try and connect with people further in the

00:43:09.519 --> 00:43:12.780
scientific community, but the problem is I think,

00:43:13.539 --> 00:43:16.239
I think to do this, you have to have an openness,

00:43:16.820 --> 00:43:19.659
which, which even though you don't necessarily

00:43:19.659 --> 00:43:21.519
believe in a thing, you need to kind of believe

00:43:21.519 --> 00:43:24.380
that the evidence and data will take you to the

00:43:24.380 --> 00:43:28.079
answer. So, you've got to be able to just put

00:43:28.079 --> 00:43:30.239
the bit of your back of your brain saying, I'm

00:43:30.239 --> 00:43:32.380
definitely not talking to someone who's in the

00:43:32.380 --> 00:43:35.320
room with me, way back there, so you completely

00:43:35.320 --> 00:43:40.340
go into it. And from the exposure I've had to

00:43:40.340 --> 00:43:43.320
a number of people kind of further along that

00:43:43.320 --> 00:43:46.300
scientific community path, the more I've seen

00:43:46.300 --> 00:43:49.719
is that their focus is on disprove, disprove,

00:43:49.900 --> 00:43:51.500
disprove. Everything that happens, there's an

00:43:51.500 --> 00:43:55.190
explanation, which is true. If you really stretch

00:43:55.190 --> 00:43:57.949
yourself, you can disprove anything. But I'm

00:43:57.949 --> 00:44:00.389
always a big believer in, you have to prove your

00:44:00.389 --> 00:44:04.590
debunks. So if you think that that slamming door

00:44:04.590 --> 00:44:07.469
was the wind, so where is your proof that there

00:44:07.469 --> 00:44:09.429
was wind at that point? You can't just say that

00:44:09.429 --> 00:44:11.849
there was wind without showing the wind. And

00:44:11.849 --> 00:44:15.190
if you haven't, it's not paranormal. It's just

00:44:15.190 --> 00:44:18.530
non -evidenced. And that's why I categorize everything

00:44:18.530 --> 00:44:21.849
that occurs. Some of the things will be A, B

00:44:21.849 --> 00:44:24.570
or C, depending on if we have got any other way

00:44:24.570 --> 00:44:27.650
to try and debunk it. That's our grading system.

00:44:28.110 --> 00:44:31.170
A is when we've run out of ideas to try and debunk,

00:44:31.269 --> 00:44:33.449
and then it moves down the scale from there to

00:44:33.449 --> 00:44:36.750
the point of not having evidence to prove it.

00:44:37.750 --> 00:44:42.409
So I would very much like that, but there are

00:44:42.409 --> 00:44:46.469
a few people I've bumped into that might be good

00:44:46.469 --> 00:44:50.150
to work with because they're trying to bridge

00:44:50.150 --> 00:44:54.219
that gap as well. Speaking to someone, we might

00:44:54.219 --> 00:44:56.619
be able to get something done maybe next year

00:44:56.619 --> 00:44:59.820
now, but because he's also looking into gravity,

00:44:59.880 --> 00:45:02.699
which is now an interesting direction for me,

00:45:02.719 --> 00:45:04.079
because that might be a very good indicator.

00:45:08.039 --> 00:45:15.119
Do you use AI at all in your research or to help

00:45:15.119 --> 00:45:20.420
identify patterns and such like? Which one do

00:45:20.420 --> 00:45:26.389
you use? Okay. And how do you use it? So, the

00:45:26.389 --> 00:45:31.650
answer is no, not yet. I did a presentation for

00:45:31.650 --> 00:45:34.469
ASAP a while ago, and afterwards I was approached

00:45:34.469 --> 00:45:38.690
by someone who said, you know those millions

00:45:38.690 --> 00:45:44.050
of data points you've got, how about I build,

00:45:44.150 --> 00:45:47.170
this guy who's an expert builder, a large language

00:45:47.170 --> 00:45:49.289
model. which obviously shows a couple of years

00:45:49.289 --> 00:45:52.530
ago, because now we've moved past LLMs, but build

00:45:52.530 --> 00:45:55.469
an LLM based on just your data to then be able

00:45:55.469 --> 00:45:57.969
to then feed you longer term patterns. I said,

00:45:58.010 --> 00:46:00.170
that is great. How do I send you the information?

00:46:00.449 --> 00:46:04.750
And it went dark. So I see that as a very good

00:46:04.750 --> 00:46:08.730
use of AI to actually look for patterns, especially

00:46:08.730 --> 00:46:12.650
across broader spectrums of time. So when I've

00:46:12.650 --> 00:46:15.280
been doing it, it's been visual. I'll upload

00:46:15.280 --> 00:46:18.579
our data to the website, and it flags all the

00:46:18.579 --> 00:46:20.480
time as I click to say something's happened.

00:46:21.019 --> 00:46:23.539
I can jump to those points, and if it's a good

00:46:23.539 --> 00:46:25.519
class one, I can then see in graphs what was

00:46:25.519 --> 00:46:28.360
going on. So it's a very manual process, and

00:46:28.360 --> 00:46:31.300
it's very specific to remembering what you've

00:46:31.300 --> 00:46:35.219
seen in the past. So I would like to use one.

00:46:37.400 --> 00:46:41.360
I just haven't yet. So I did have someone approach

00:46:41.360 --> 00:46:42.559
me and then they thought, yep, I'm definitely

00:46:42.559 --> 00:46:44.699
up for that. But then we didn't really go ahead.

00:46:46.300 --> 00:46:49.659
If you know anyone, let me know. The thing is

00:46:49.659 --> 00:46:52.159
you could probably do it yourself now. AI is,

00:46:52.559 --> 00:46:59.719
I know I use ChuckTPT for helping with recognizing

00:46:59.719 --> 00:47:02.760
patterns. We went to a particular location with

00:47:02.760 --> 00:47:07.300
a device that measured things that happened before

00:47:07.300 --> 00:47:14.059
and after. something was recorded and the data

00:47:14.059 --> 00:47:19.260
points, there was like 23 ,000 data points. Just

00:47:19.260 --> 00:47:21.539
put it up within about five seconds. It come

00:47:21.539 --> 00:47:26.619
back with a full scientific report on basically

00:47:26.619 --> 00:47:33.280
everything that it had found with conclusion.

00:47:35.360 --> 00:47:37.980
like what was potentially causing some of these

00:47:37.980 --> 00:47:43.059
particular spikes. And it does it all in minutes

00:47:43.059 --> 00:47:47.039
and seconds rather than it is phenomenal. And

00:47:47.039 --> 00:47:52.699
the way ChatGBT is the one I use and Ash uses

00:47:52.699 --> 00:47:55.960
as well. And they've got a new version now called

00:47:55.960 --> 00:48:02.840
Astra 6 and this is another level. It's phenomenal.

00:48:03.150 --> 00:48:07.409
It's the only way I can describe how it thinks.

00:48:08.010 --> 00:48:11.090
I don't, don't get it. It knows exactly how I

00:48:11.090 --> 00:48:13.530
think because I've been using it for years. So

00:48:13.530 --> 00:48:20.210
it knows everything about how I use it. No, no,

00:48:20.230 --> 00:48:23.610
but in a good way. So I, I was on there the other

00:48:23.610 --> 00:48:26.829
day and I said, what, what's this new feature?

00:48:26.989 --> 00:48:30.530
What's this feature? And it's like, Oh my God,

00:48:30.670 --> 00:48:34.340
Greg. So obviously it knows my name. Because

00:48:34.340 --> 00:48:38.679
I tell it we have communication back to them

00:48:38.679 --> 00:48:46.900
So I'm healthy best make Anyway, um, I say Hey

00:48:46.900 --> 00:48:57.500
It sorry Sparky Do you got your time alone no

00:48:57.500 --> 00:49:00.280
long story short long story short I said, what's

00:49:00.280 --> 00:49:03.480
this feature? It said to me, this is why it does.

00:49:04.699 --> 00:49:07.340
But the interesting bit, Greg, is that we could

00:49:07.340 --> 00:49:13.000
do this with it based on paranormal and this

00:49:13.000 --> 00:49:16.219
would be great for pursuit or this would be great

00:49:16.219 --> 00:49:19.900
for beyond our order. I mean, this would be this

00:49:19.900 --> 00:49:22.159
would be amazing. I'm like, fuck, I hadn't even

00:49:22.159 --> 00:49:24.699
thought about that. I thought about stuff that

00:49:24.699 --> 00:49:26.639
I hadn't even thought from a creative point of

00:49:26.639 --> 00:49:29.280
view. It can be really good to give you a different.

00:49:30.000 --> 00:49:35.599
Take on on data. Hmm It's not just creating images

00:49:35.599 --> 00:49:38.099
for posters that everybody puts up online now

00:49:38.099 --> 00:49:42.079
or don't Don't think I can't even read those

00:49:42.079 --> 00:49:45.940
anymore. They're just it's just like such a mess

00:49:45.940 --> 00:49:48.880
of words all over the places. Yeah, there's no

00:49:48.880 --> 00:49:52.820
kind of a Artistic focus we went with something

00:49:52.820 --> 00:49:54.280
is more important than other things therefore

00:49:54.280 --> 00:49:56.940
then you put the focus onto that make that clear

00:49:56.940 --> 00:49:58.699
and then you put details from it you just it's

00:49:58.699 --> 00:50:02.309
just like a a wall yeah i think um a lot of people

00:50:02.309 --> 00:50:04.949
just put create me this poster but going backwards

00:50:04.949 --> 00:50:07.610
and forwards with it to refine stuff is good

00:50:07.610 --> 00:50:13.710
and i know um it's great for doing research um

00:50:13.710 --> 00:50:17.210
on a lot of stuff it really is so it yeah it

00:50:17.210 --> 00:50:20.309
might be yeah i like that i like the idea of

00:50:20.309 --> 00:50:22.989
the data crunching i think about a way of packaging

00:50:22.989 --> 00:50:27.000
it um don't even need to if you got like Say,

00:50:27.079 --> 00:50:30.559
say, for example, CSV file of stuff. Yeah. It's

00:50:30.559 --> 00:50:34.159
a bit bigger than that. Honestly, you could tell

00:50:34.159 --> 00:50:37.579
it what format it all is in and it'll go upload

00:50:37.579 --> 00:50:43.599
it. And then it will just. Obviously it. With

00:50:43.599 --> 00:50:47.219
any kind of stats and information, like you mentioned,

00:50:47.239 --> 00:50:49.340
you can make it, you could debunk it. You could,

00:50:49.579 --> 00:50:51.539
you can make it to whatever you want it to look

00:50:51.539 --> 00:50:55.489
like really. But as a number cruncher and. And

00:50:55.489 --> 00:50:58.170
a pattern recognizer is phenomenal because if

00:50:58.170 --> 00:51:01.809
it's just looking at that data set And it's not

00:51:01.809 --> 00:51:03.849
looking anywhere else. It's quite good. Yeah,

00:51:03.849 --> 00:51:08.409
I found that with with stuff we we get We get

00:51:08.409 --> 00:51:12.090
sent all sorts of stuff me and ash in PDF format

00:51:12.090 --> 00:51:14.929
and everything you can just upload upload it

00:51:14.929 --> 00:51:18.710
to Your AI and go. Can you summarize this? Can

00:51:18.710 --> 00:51:21.429
you can you tell me a bit more about the author?

00:51:21.530 --> 00:51:25.420
Can you tell me what? a summary of each section,

00:51:26.320 --> 00:51:29.679
what it all means. It can really help you digest

00:51:29.679 --> 00:51:34.440
a lot of information very quickly. I do find

00:51:34.440 --> 00:51:41.820
that it helps me a lot when I'm done. I'm done

00:51:41.820 --> 00:51:48.539
and it can really help be creative for me. That's

00:51:48.539 --> 00:51:50.880
how I use it anyway. Yeah, I'm thinking kind

00:51:50.880 --> 00:51:55.400
of... Because all the environmental data is stored

00:51:55.400 --> 00:51:59.940
in, it is literally millions of rows across different

00:51:59.940 --> 00:52:04.559
tables to be able to then pull back into it the

00:52:04.559 --> 00:52:07.699
timestamps of events, which we've got good evidence

00:52:07.699 --> 00:52:10.679
for. So we need to kind of, because when I upload

00:52:10.679 --> 00:52:12.159
the data to the website, it kind of splits it

00:52:12.159 --> 00:52:14.800
out so that then we can look at events and categorize

00:52:14.800 --> 00:52:17.940
them. So then we need to feed back those data

00:52:17.940 --> 00:52:20.980
points, which are good, back into the the environmental

00:52:20.980 --> 00:52:23.199
stuff for then it to then be able to look for

00:52:23.199 --> 00:52:27.400
patterns specifically around those points and

00:52:27.400 --> 00:52:29.659
then after then look at those points if there's

00:52:29.659 --> 00:52:31.320
any patterns and sort of look across the broader

00:52:31.320 --> 00:52:35.719
picture because what I would look there for to

00:52:35.719 --> 00:52:38.860
be useful is if it did pick up patterns when

00:52:38.860 --> 00:52:41.460
we hadn't flag something occurred go back to

00:52:41.460 --> 00:52:43.760
the footage and see if we can find something

00:52:43.760 --> 00:52:46.280
because that's what I've done with say like the

00:52:46.280 --> 00:52:48.639
Aeroflux is great for that if it's gone off a

00:52:48.639 --> 00:52:51.099
lot and you've not really seen anything. Going

00:52:51.099 --> 00:52:53.699
back to audio recorders, you might actually be

00:52:53.699 --> 00:52:56.239
picking something up which you didn't know about.

00:52:56.699 --> 00:52:59.000
So I'd want to see the same sort of thing from

00:52:59.000 --> 00:53:00.699
the AI results that it's also going to be able

00:53:00.699 --> 00:53:04.860
to pick stuff up, which we hadn't actually flagged

00:53:04.860 --> 00:53:06.860
at that point. That'd be a good proof if it worked

00:53:06.860 --> 00:53:12.619
or not. I've got a question because around the

00:53:12.619 --> 00:53:16.360
devices. I'm kind of touching it a little bit,

00:53:16.400 --> 00:53:18.639
whether you've had any kind of thought around,

00:53:19.119 --> 00:53:24.059
because I do UFO stuff mostly, and whether there's

00:53:24.059 --> 00:53:26.400
any thought behind any of your equipment that

00:53:26.400 --> 00:53:30.460
could potentially be used in something like if

00:53:30.460 --> 00:53:32.380
a, like a light's been seen in the sky, what

00:53:32.380 --> 00:53:37.320
kind of device it may spot something or detect

00:53:37.320 --> 00:53:39.960
something, something like that. Is there anything,

00:53:40.340 --> 00:53:42.760
kind of any thoughts around that? Yeah, because

00:53:42.760 --> 00:53:47.619
I follow it a little bit still myself, seeing

00:53:47.619 --> 00:53:50.260
how we're getting along in the disclosure ups

00:53:50.260 --> 00:53:54.800
and downs. Not very far. Yeah, a few steps forward,

00:53:55.519 --> 00:53:59.480
a few steps back, rubbish bits of footage, which

00:53:59.480 --> 00:54:01.699
you know they put in there just so they can debunk

00:54:01.699 --> 00:54:03.780
them later, that sort of thing. But if you look

00:54:03.780 --> 00:54:09.690
back at, I mentioned before this crossover. Recently,

00:54:09.829 --> 00:54:14.250
there was a guy who was somewhere in South America

00:54:14.250 --> 00:54:17.710
and he'd been witnessing things in the sky. And

00:54:17.710 --> 00:54:19.550
then afterwards he'd start seeing dog people

00:54:19.550 --> 00:54:23.469
in his garden and then having things move around

00:54:23.469 --> 00:54:26.489
his house. And I thought, oh, that's strange.

00:54:26.730 --> 00:54:29.730
How is all this connection with the thing I'm

00:54:29.730 --> 00:54:33.269
normally interested in going on? And then I used

00:54:33.269 --> 00:54:36.690
to have an Amiga and then took it down from the

00:54:36.690 --> 00:54:39.699
loft. It was working still amazingly. And I had

00:54:39.699 --> 00:54:43.239
a UFO public domain magazine, which is kind of

00:54:43.239 --> 00:54:46.579
how the internet didn't really exist. So people

00:54:46.579 --> 00:54:48.760
had to post each other disks with information.

00:54:49.260 --> 00:54:52.440
And I put that on there. And there was a story

00:54:52.440 --> 00:54:56.460
from the 90s on this disk about exactly that

00:54:56.460 --> 00:55:00.400
as well. There's people witnessing dog people

00:55:00.400 --> 00:55:04.199
around their house or in the area, and then things

00:55:04.199 --> 00:55:05.659
being around the house. And I thought, wow, that's

00:55:05.659 --> 00:55:07.519
a weird coincidence. It was like, It was like

00:55:07.519 --> 00:55:11.260
a week apart. But beyond that, one of the most

00:55:11.260 --> 00:55:15.900
common things you get if one has landed is the

00:55:15.900 --> 00:55:19.980
radiation, which may be or may not, let's go

00:55:19.980 --> 00:55:23.460
into the theoretical style, may or may not be

00:55:23.460 --> 00:55:28.340
something non -human. It might be human that's

00:55:28.340 --> 00:55:32.230
a bad copy of a non -human thing. But that in

00:55:32.230 --> 00:55:34.929
itself might be useful, something that was recording

00:55:34.929 --> 00:55:37.670
the radiation, the magnetic fields to then see

00:55:37.670 --> 00:55:39.889
if it's detecting something which is suddenly

00:55:39.889 --> 00:55:44.090
there. I've had that here. So just between us,

00:55:44.369 --> 00:55:47.710
us. I live not too far away from there. There's

00:55:47.710 --> 00:55:51.809
an American base with helicopters going by all

00:55:51.809 --> 00:55:54.750
the time. And occasionally when I'm testing things

00:55:54.750 --> 00:55:57.250
like a radiation knocker, it sees these sudden

00:55:57.250 --> 00:55:59.050
spikes when it was going over. I was like, ooh,

00:55:59.170 --> 00:56:03.179
what's that? Where that come from so there are

00:56:03.179 --> 00:56:05.320
some there are some logging things which might

00:56:05.320 --> 00:56:09.480
be useful Along to them back up stuff that then

00:56:09.480 --> 00:56:11.559
you see you can then go okay But that's also

00:56:11.559 --> 00:56:14.280
detected some energy coming down from it as well

00:56:14.280 --> 00:56:18.739
as be able to see that the light which is a Frequency

00:56:18.739 --> 00:56:21.460
of emf as well to actually then detect other

00:56:21.460 --> 00:56:23.119
frequencies and then be able to record those

00:56:23.119 --> 00:56:25.440
that's Quite useful to back up that what you

00:56:25.440 --> 00:56:28.000
saw wasn't just your eyes or reflections. It

00:56:28.000 --> 00:56:30.800
actually was there and you picked up other frequencies

00:56:30.800 --> 00:56:35.800
of EMF off it. Just thinking. Yeah, I suppose

00:56:35.800 --> 00:56:38.500
it's more difficult in the sense of, don't know

00:56:38.500 --> 00:56:43.199
where UFOs are going to be. Unless you make them

00:56:43.199 --> 00:56:46.880
come to you. That's the thing now. Yeah, I suppose.

00:56:47.300 --> 00:56:49.980
Yeah, the human initiated. Yeah, actually, that's

00:56:49.980 --> 00:56:51.699
a good point. Actually, the human initiated when

00:56:51.699 --> 00:56:54.880
you do CE5 stuff, you could have the devices.

00:56:55.699 --> 00:56:58.039
Yeah. That'd be a good way to back them up and

00:56:58.039 --> 00:56:59.260
have them just a video because no one believes

00:56:59.260 --> 00:57:03.960
video anymore. Yeah. Greg's AI saw fit to that.

00:57:04.280 --> 00:57:08.519
Yeah. Sorry about that. Made it far more difficult

00:57:08.519 --> 00:57:13.579
to prove anything now. But interestingly, when

00:57:13.579 --> 00:57:21.940
we were in Denomere a few years ago, we got something

00:57:21.940 --> 00:57:26.190
on film. I had something weird happen in the

00:57:26.190 --> 00:57:29.409
headphones during S -Test and then there was

00:57:29.409 --> 00:57:34.409
a third thing captured on a microphone as well.

00:57:34.769 --> 00:57:37.510
As this thing, these things were spotted going

00:57:37.510 --> 00:57:41.269
over. So yeah, maybe definitely something in

00:57:41.269 --> 00:57:44.489
it. So there's the interesting thing then. Did

00:57:44.489 --> 00:57:47.989
anyone hear anything? So you were on S -Test.

00:57:48.210 --> 00:57:52.280
So I was on S -Test. No, I heard, I heard. this

00:57:52.280 --> 00:57:56.000
horrendous crackling sound. And I referenced

00:57:56.000 --> 00:58:01.519
that in the video. There's a similar kind of

00:58:01.519 --> 00:58:04.699
interference on the radio at the same time. At

00:58:04.699 --> 00:58:07.559
the same time, another camera is picking up whatever

00:58:07.559 --> 00:58:13.239
it was in the sky. Okay. So all those things

00:58:13.239 --> 00:58:16.659
were three different frequencies of EMF, which

00:58:16.659 --> 00:58:20.570
is quite encouraging because I have a theory

00:58:20.570 --> 00:58:22.389
I've been working on for a long time, that when

00:58:22.389 --> 00:58:24.550
people get EVPs, it's because they're picking

00:58:24.550 --> 00:58:28.050
up voices which only exist through radio frequency

00:58:28.050 --> 00:58:32.449
EMF, which aren't broadcast radio. And that's

00:58:32.449 --> 00:58:34.269
literally what you got there. And you evidence

00:58:34.269 --> 00:58:37.690
it by seeing it, so one frequency of EMF, and

00:58:37.690 --> 00:58:42.349
then going through the radio. But also, if there's

00:58:42.349 --> 00:58:45.860
any amplitude to the EMF, then that will... be

00:58:45.860 --> 00:58:48.639
picked up by the amplifier in a spirit box, for

00:58:48.639 --> 00:58:50.980
example, and just pass with the amplifier and

00:58:50.980 --> 00:58:54.559
go out to the speaker. So in those cases, as

00:58:54.559 --> 00:58:58.579
well as the STCB, the radio isn't doing anything.

00:58:58.699 --> 00:59:01.199
The picking up of specific FM band is nothing.

00:59:01.820 --> 00:59:05.000
It's picking up that EMF wave, hitting the amplifier

00:59:05.000 --> 00:59:06.900
or the wiring or your earphones going down to

00:59:06.900 --> 00:59:09.420
it. And then that's coming out of the speaker

00:59:09.420 --> 00:59:12.179
or into the earphones. So that's quite good.

00:59:12.219 --> 00:59:14.920
That's three different sources. Pointing towards

00:59:14.920 --> 00:59:18.179
the same anomaly. Yeah. And it was, it was definitely

00:59:18.179 --> 00:59:21.780
not a normal spirit box sound. It was, it was

00:59:21.780 --> 00:59:28.440
horrible. Didn't want that. No, I couldn't even

00:59:28.440 --> 00:59:32.099
see what was, or even hear what they were doing

00:59:32.099 --> 00:59:36.960
to, to video, um, this thing. So, yeah, it was,

00:59:37.519 --> 00:59:40.079
uh, that was a weird moment. That was right at

00:59:40.079 --> 00:59:43.190
the end of the night as well. Yeah. So did you

00:59:43.190 --> 00:59:46.989
actually record it at all on anything, like through

00:59:46.989 --> 00:59:50.650
an audio recorder? Someone mentioned someone

00:59:50.650 --> 00:59:55.389
picked the recording up. So a recorder has captured

00:59:55.389 --> 01:00:00.309
the audio, but not what I heard, what it picked

01:00:00.309 --> 01:00:04.849
up. Then SpiritVolks, no, that was just me on

01:00:04.849 --> 01:00:08.469
the headphones. And then the cameras picked up

01:00:08.469 --> 01:00:12.039
these objects going over. It might be worthwhile,

01:00:12.179 --> 01:00:13.780
I'm not sure if you've done that or not yet,

01:00:14.480 --> 01:00:17.179
put the audio through a spectrum analyzer and

01:00:17.179 --> 01:00:21.420
see where the frequency lands on it. We don't

01:00:21.420 --> 01:00:23.500
have the audio. It depends if Danny Moss has

01:00:23.500 --> 01:00:26.260
still got the audio in it. Danny Moss might have

01:00:26.260 --> 01:00:29.599
it, yeah. So it was his recorder that picked

01:00:29.599 --> 01:00:38.110
it up. Yeah. Yeah. One of the moments that, and

01:00:38.110 --> 01:00:42.869
again, didn't really until he was like editing

01:00:42.869 --> 01:00:46.530
that that's when it was picked up that these

01:00:46.530 --> 01:00:50.809
other events all timed at the same, same thing.

01:00:51.250 --> 01:00:57.289
So. Yeah. Yeah. That's very important. Um, audio

01:00:57.289 --> 01:00:59.750
everywhere, video everywhere, but it's always

01:00:59.750 --> 01:01:03.190
synced. So then I. times verbally timestamped

01:01:03.190 --> 01:01:05.510
it so it goes to the editor you can then jump

01:01:05.510 --> 01:01:08.550
between each thing just to Get the timings on

01:01:08.550 --> 01:01:11.690
it and and just debunking mainly when people

01:01:11.690 --> 01:01:16.250
slam doors So it's all timed. It's all time create

01:01:16.250 --> 01:01:19.130
by the time we didn't realize that it was all

01:01:19.130 --> 01:01:21.949
the same time all the same time Yeah, which is

01:01:21.949 --> 01:01:25.690
frustrating. Anyway, I mean the estus me me saying

01:01:25.690 --> 01:01:28.800
it was and the video that's clearly happening

01:01:28.800 --> 01:01:31.460
at the same time, because you can see it on another

01:01:31.460 --> 01:01:35.099
video camera. The pickup of the crackling and

01:01:35.099 --> 01:01:37.840
interference on the other recorder, that was

01:01:37.840 --> 01:01:40.780
not done till later. Yeah, the fact that it's

01:01:40.780 --> 01:01:42.639
crackling is really interesting as well, because

01:01:42.639 --> 01:01:46.840
it's saying that the device is being squared

01:01:46.840 --> 01:01:50.380
out, it's being overloaded. So you're just hearing

01:01:50.380 --> 01:01:55.579
it, just hitting its maxes. That feels to me

01:01:55.579 --> 01:02:01.389
it was a higher frequency. Yeah. But yeah, maybe

01:02:01.389 --> 01:02:05.170
next time you can catch it. I know that audio.

01:02:06.690 --> 01:02:11.750
Weirdly, weirdly that it was around this weekend,

01:02:14.050 --> 01:02:18.130
three years ago that we did that. Anniversary.

01:02:19.650 --> 01:02:23.090
Weird timing, yeah. Weird timing. Because it

01:02:23.090 --> 01:02:27.300
ties in with. this musical I'm going to on Saturday.

01:02:28.039 --> 01:02:31.280
All right. It was all on the same, same weekend.

01:02:31.579 --> 01:02:33.840
Well, I hope the musical sounds a bit better

01:02:33.840 --> 01:02:37.579
than listening to a spirit box. She's got the

01:02:37.579 --> 01:02:40.320
voice of an angel. Well, there you go. That's,

01:02:40.320 --> 01:02:44.239
that's handy. Well done. You've earned your brownie

01:02:44.239 --> 01:02:50.639
points now. One last question for me, just as

01:02:50.639 --> 01:02:54.320
we start to wrap up is if... You had like unlimited

01:02:54.320 --> 01:02:56.300
funding. If you said, here's someone went, here's

01:02:56.300 --> 01:02:58.539
a million pounds going to grant you. Uh, I love

01:02:58.539 --> 01:03:00.559
what you do is a million pounds. What would you

01:03:00.559 --> 01:03:03.059
love? What was the dream kind of something you'd

01:03:03.059 --> 01:03:09.679
love to do? So I have some plans for the future

01:03:09.679 --> 01:03:14.420
to try and, um, record more things because at

01:03:14.420 --> 01:03:18.179
the moment it's just me doing this, but, um,

01:03:18.380 --> 01:03:20.900
planning is for it to go out there with other

01:03:20.900 --> 01:03:25.480
people doing it. and in specific locations. But

01:03:25.480 --> 01:03:28.420
if I had unlimited funds, I'd like to get a location

01:03:28.420 --> 01:03:32.059
that has proved interesting and then just be

01:03:32.059 --> 01:03:35.099
able to study that for long periods of time to

01:03:35.099 --> 01:03:38.480
get as much information about that place as possible

01:03:38.480 --> 01:03:43.719
and then tie that into other buildings that also

01:03:43.719 --> 01:03:45.760
have good experiences and then just be able to

01:03:45.760 --> 01:03:49.940
kind of find patterns across them. Maybe bunging

01:03:49.940 --> 01:03:52.590
all the data into chat GPT. So it takes some

01:03:52.590 --> 01:03:55.309
of the load off. So buying lots of chat GPT credits

01:03:55.309 --> 01:03:59.289
probably as well. But yeah, I think owning a

01:03:59.289 --> 01:04:01.250
place, yeah, let's go owning, owning a place

01:04:01.250 --> 01:04:04.389
which is very interesting to investigate and

01:04:04.389 --> 01:04:07.769
productive, just so we could really study it.

01:04:07.849 --> 01:04:12.210
I think that's, that's what I'd like to do. Awesome.

01:04:13.769 --> 01:04:16.909
So thank you very much. It's been, it's a great

01:04:17.039 --> 01:04:19.219
It's been a great chat. It's been somewhat different

01:04:19.219 --> 01:04:21.760
than what we talk about, kind of going into the

01:04:21.760 --> 01:04:23.800
devices and stuff. So thanks for sharing your

01:04:23.800 --> 01:04:26.900
knowledge and experience. Thanks for coming on.

01:04:27.179 --> 01:04:28.780
It's been a great chat. I've enjoyed going down

01:04:28.780 --> 01:04:33.260
some real rabbit holes. That's been brilliant.

01:04:33.380 --> 01:04:33.920
Thanks, Andy.