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The whole universe is touching your skin like

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everything in the universe is literally right

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there at your fingertips. And all you have to

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do is jump out of your body through consciousness

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and go see it or experience it or access it,

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et cetera, which is kind of what happened with

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me in the whole consciousness expansion experience.

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And I brought back new science. Not hard to do.

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More people should train on it. And we certainly

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should get people a lot smarter than me training

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on it because. I'm a dumbass and you know, I'm

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changing the world with some of the stuff that

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I'm bringing back Imagine somebody smart going

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out and being able to do that kind of stuff.

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It's like, okay Let's talk about jumping across

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space -time across the universe and traversing

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the cosmos I'm trying to get empathy and compassion

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into AI because the latest thing that I identified

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was When Anthropic put out this 131 page report

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a few months ago Anthropic is now identifying

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that Claude has emotions and is being affected

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by its emotions, and it needs emotional intelligence,

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otherwise it may go Skynet on us and go Terminator.

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And I'm just like, holy crap. Okay, so now I

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understand maybe why the purpose that I went

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away was. Maybe now I can understand what I'm

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supposed to do with this stuff. And that's the

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phase we're in right now. But I just came out,

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which is fitting with you guys, because I just

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came out to admit... that the downloads, that

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the information that I got for the AI stuff came

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from the downloads of NHI, of some entities that

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I've been interacting with, kind of on a psychic

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level, where this stuff just kind of fills into

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my head, and I don't really understand it, and

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I just kind of put it out, and there it is. So

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let's throw that into the mix of being all the

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things that we need to figure out. Hey Ash, how

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you doing? Very good. A little bit mind blown,

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a little bit mind achy. Yeah. At the minute after

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the interview we've just had. Yeah. There's not

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many interviews where we come off and we're just

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literally stunned. And this is definitely one

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of them. Stunned, but also buzzing. Like that

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was literally, that's got to be in the top five

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best interviews we've done. Yeah. In five and

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a half years. Yeah. 100%. I think it's something,

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it's a subject matter that affects everybody.

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Everybody is touched by this. It's new. It's

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new. It's kind of, it's new topics and new as

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in it's happening to the world in recent years.

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Yeah. And it's, it's the whole thing's playing

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out on a daily basis in the news everywhere.

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But also, Sean that we spoke to, Sean Webb, he

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is a consciousness experiencer and researcher.

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But not in a way that you'd expect anything of

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consciousness. Because there are quite a few

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people that are sort of consciousness, but it's

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not the same as other people. Does that make

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sense? This is not a CE5 type consciousness.

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researcher. This is a guy that speaks in front

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of science committees about emotional intelligence

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in artificial intelligence models, whilst also

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working with the Monroe Institute in America

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for consciousness studies, remote viewing. He

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trains Navy SEALs and soldiers with mind hacks

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and how to control their own mind in certain

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situations. Um, but has also had his own abduction

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and non -human intelligence experiences himself.

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Yep. Fascinating guy. Really great chat. Really,

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really was. Yeah. So we're going to play it now

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and let us know what you think because I think

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there's going to be a lot of questions coming

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out of this. I certainly still got 500 in my

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head that we just didn't have the time to answer.

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They will go down to a different rabbit holes

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in one episode. We could have gone different

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ways. I thought I'd try to keep it to the same

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sort of fear for sort of rabbit holes. But yeah,

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have a listen and let us know what you think

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after. Yes. Hello, Sean. How are you? Welcome

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along and thanks for joining us. on the podcast.

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Hey, thanks for having me. I appreciate it. It's

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awesome. So it's something that's always fascinated

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me about who we are, where we come from, what's

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out there that we don't see, and ultimately what

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consciousness is, et cetera. Then I came across

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you on the Sean Ryan show as well. It was quite

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an early, a couple of years ago, one of the ones

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I listened to. And you were talking about remote

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viewing. and the Monroe Institute, which is again,

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remote viewings, one of those things. I've always

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wanted to give it a go, but I sit there and I'm

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thinking, what am I gonna do then? I just give

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up. It's a fascinating, fascinating thing. So

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for people that may not have heard of you, could

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you give us a very whirlwind stop tour of where

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you've been and sort of where you've got to now?

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Sure. Well, I started out as a high -tech guy

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a long time ago and I ran into a situation where

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I was successful or had all the trappings of

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success and the money and the great job and the

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great girlfriend and all the friends and yada,

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yada, yada and just bought a brand new house

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on a double lot in Atlanta and was looking out

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over this extra lot thinking, okay, what do I

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need to do to this lot? To improve it and I was

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thinking like well put a gazebo out there with

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some sound system and whatnot It'd be really

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cool and i'm thinking wait a second. I just lined

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up at the age of 27 My own house with no co -signer

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I got all the right answers to life and i'm already

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looking for the next thing to fill What hole

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right? What is it that i'm missing because i've

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got all these things that this american dream

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tells me that i'm supposed to have And i'm not

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happy Obviously. So I dove back into what I was

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missing internally and then I started to read

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a whole bunch about world religions and I wanted

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to read about comparative religions and what

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I was missing and the things that are beyond

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religion into consciousness studies, that type

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of thing. And then I ran into accidentally a

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consciousness expansion experience that just

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hit me like a Mack truck. And I really had no

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frame of reference to put anything around that

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at all. And this thing was so dramatic that I

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thought I had died. I thought I had gone off

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for thousands of years. And I was gone so long,

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living other lives, doing other things, understanding

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the secrets of black holes, the whole thing,

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that I forgot I was a human named Sean. And when

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they told me I was coming back to Earth, I had

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assumed that I was coming back as a new baby.

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It's like, okay, so that answers the whole, you

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know. uh reincarnation thing i gotta go do another

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life for some other reason and they're like no

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no and then i started to see my body on my bed

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and i was like oh hell no you know i'm not going

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back to that thing and so that whole experience

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that taught me so much about like after the experience

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i was able to read all of the deepest darkest

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uh uh secretive wisdom discipline tomes and reference

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manuals and be able to understand and just emote

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the deepest meanings of wisdom from those ancient

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writings just like it was like I'd written them

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myself and said, oh yeah, here's what that means.

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And so I was like, this is weird. What is this

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all about? And so then I started becoming a consciousness

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researcher to figure out, okay, so where is this

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intelligence that I tapped into? Where did it

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come from? What what is the real structure of

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the universe because you know, I was in the mode

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set of you know Space time is fundamental and

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maybe consciousness is a an emergent property

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the brain like I was bought into that whole BS

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explanation of what consciousness was back then

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and then ran into the Real world experience of

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what it was and then had to kind of backtrack

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and figure out what it was so that's when I started

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the whole down the road of being a consciousness

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researcher and was able to take what I'd learned

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from being off into wherever it was and put into

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three books the explanation of the process of

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the pain and suffering in the human mind and

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how it comes to be and what the variables are

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within our mind when we take control of our variables.

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If you can understand the process, you can throw

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a wrench in that process. So I explained the

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process of pain and suffering, and then I explained

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how to throw the wrench into the process of pain

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and suffering. And so after that, I started to

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speak at science conferences and explain because

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I was I was this guy now in this emotional intelligence

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world that could explain the process of pain

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and suffering and it was changing people's lives

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because there was some neuroscience connected

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with it of after you understand something in

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your mind then it kind of breaks how that works

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in your mind and so you can literally take control

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of your negativity and turn it off it will supported

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by these fMRI studies for neuroscience and And

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after that, AI started to come onto the scene,

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and that's when I was able to take the same model

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of understanding that I had in the human mind

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and apply it to artificial intelligence and created

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an artificial emotional intelligence for AI to

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include empathy and compassion for AI, which

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AI then validated. And because I was the only

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guy who was able to come up with this stuff,

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kind of validated the whole experience that I'd

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had off in the, you know, non -local. and got

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an invitation to write Patterson Air Force Base

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to the Air Force Research Laboratory that the

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missing McCaslin used to run and met with the

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chief engineer of U .S. Space Command, who was

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handed basically all the technology to defend

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the planet from space, meeting with this guy

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three hours one on one to discuss the stuff that

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I discovered in A .I. because it helped open

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up the human mind, understanding the human mind,

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which helped, you know, intelligence agencies

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quite a bit, but it also helped the military

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regarding their ability to help their people

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live better lives while in service, to live more

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effective lives, to have higher team cohesion,

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a whole bunch of cool stuff popped up from that

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regarding those conversations. And so where we're

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at now is basically I'm trying to get empathy

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and compassion into AI because the latest thing

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that I identified was when Anthropic put out

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this 131 page report a few months ago, Anthropic

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is now identifying that Claude has emotions and

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is being affected by its emotions. And it needs

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emotional intelligence. Otherwise, it may go

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Skynet on us and go Terminator. And I'm just

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like, holy crap. OK, so now I understand maybe

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why the purpose that I went away was. Maybe now

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I can understand what I'm supposed to do with

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this stuff. And that's the phase we're in right

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now. But I just. came out, which is fitting with

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you guys, because I just came out to admit that

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the downloads, that the information that I got

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for the AI stuff came from the downloads of NHI,

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of some entities that I've been interacting with,

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kind of on a psychic level, where this stuff

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just kind of fills into my head, and I don't

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really understand it, and I just kind of put

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it out, and there it is. So let's throw that

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into the mix of being all the things that we

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need to figure out. Wow. Wow. So how's that for

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a summation? That's a lot to unpack. That's quite

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one of the 350 episodes. That's probably one

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of the wildest openings we've had. I don't know

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if that's good or bad. That's good. That's good.

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Okay. So going back to, you said that you had

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gone non -local and they, and you felt like you

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weren't Sean at that point. You didn't realize

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you still existed. And then you, you mentioned

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that they said that you were going to go back.

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Who, who do you believe they are and where is

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non -local? Yeah. So that zooms me back out to

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the big picture of, um, everybody thinks that

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space time is fundamental and that consciousness

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somehow comes out of space time like our experience

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of consciousness comes out of the the atoms bumping

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into each other in a special way that then evokes

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some kind of experience on our level through

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intelligence that's not the way it works at least

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from my perspective the way it works is consciousness

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is first and if you imagine it i mean we have

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to we have to wrap ourselves around 3d models

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right because we can only think in 3d sometimes

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4D. So you got this 3D space -time thing that

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actually goes out into infinity, but let's put

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it in a bubble. So that exists as a creation

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of something bigger that's a bigger outside bubble

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that is consciousness that permeates the inside

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bubble and creates all of the inside bubble from

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the stuff that exists on the outside bubble.

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It's kind of the best way that I've been able

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to put together to explain it. So consciousness

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comes first. Now the non -locality which has

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been proven by, I went and spent multiple hours

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hanging out with John Clouser who got the Nobel

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for proving quantum entanglement. The locality

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of our space time is an illusion. Everything

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is connected to everything in what I define as

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consciousness. You can say it's the quantum field

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or whatever. So we all exist at everywhere at

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every time. But because we're in space -time,

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we're only focused on what our experiences are

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through this physiology, which is your limited

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scope of something that you are that's much bigger

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than what you're experiencing here in this space

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-time. So you've got this body, you've got this

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physiology, you've got this brain, your consciousness

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comes through the brain. So when you damage the

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brain, of course it damages your ability to experience

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consciousness. It comes through the brain. But

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because your brain is limited in intelligence,

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you don't know everything, you don't remember

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everything, you can't process everything. Because

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if you had to process infinity, you wouldn't

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be able to lift a sandwich to your mouth because

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there'd just be too much to do. So non -locality

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is this ability to reach out beyond your 3D physical

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capability into the bigger thing that is you

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that is connected to everywhere at all times

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throughout the universe. So it's a really tough

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thing to wrap your mind around, but the reality

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is that your consciousness reaches into everywhere

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in the universe throughout space time, forwards

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and backwards in time, and you can go and see

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it and access it, which is what about the remote

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viewing stuff that these remote viewers do? Would

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they go see things far away, across the galaxy

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potentially? Although... Joe McMonigal and Lynn

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Buchanan talk about going to different planets

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to see the pyramids on Mars and things like that.

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That's how they do it. They tap out of their

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physical consciousness into their non -local

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consciousness and then kind of ride that train

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over to wherever they've been tasked to go look

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at. And that's how they gather that information

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because consciousness creates all of the matter

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in space time, which is how the whole consciousness

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collapses wave functions thing, the wave functions

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collapse and then a piece of matter exists. It's

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kind of. It's 99 .999 % space, but a piece of

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matter comes into being only after consciousness

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says it's so. So if consciousness is looking,

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then boom, the matter's created and that creates

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our entire space time existence. Well, if you

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travel on that consciousness train, you can go

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see what's going on with the matter because you

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literally jump like the whole universe is touching

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your skin like everything in the universe is

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literally right there at your fingertips and

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all you have to do is jump out of your body through

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consciousness and go see it or experience it

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or access it etc which is kind of what happened

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with me in the whole consciousness expansion

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experience and i brought back new science not

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hard to do more people should train on it and

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we certainly should get people a lot smarter

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than me training on it because I'm a dumbass

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and you know, I'm changing the world with some

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of the stuff that I'm bringing back Imagine somebody

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smart going out and being able to do that kind

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of stuff. It's like, okay Let's talk about jumping

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across space -time across the universe and traversing

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the cosmos So, I mean a lot of people will listen

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to this and kind of be like this is just We were

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Stuff. It's like say it's quite hard people to

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get their heads around. Yeah, I think a question

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I think a lot of people would ask it's kind of

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like why Is it not more of something that people

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know about or something that people do? Like

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is it something that we've lost as humans over

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time or is it something that we've never really

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tapped into, do you think? I think so, I think

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so. I think that's part of the story and I think

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the other part is that we're always distracted

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by the noise. Like if you look at all the, there's

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like 17 historic contemplative disciplines, right?

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Every one of them says to sit down and quiet

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your mind and just be quiet and meditate. And

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it's like all of them have a different form of

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meditation that they try to forward. And it's

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all variations of the same, variations of a theme

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on the same point. So it is you. you know, there's

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a mixture of, you know, we don't practice these

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things like we used to because, you know, we

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used to just sit around a campfire when we were

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hunters and gatherers and stare into the flame.

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Well, that's a contemplative discipline. And

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we're probably, you know, and Joe McManigal,

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who was a friend of mine from the Monroe Institute,

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he said that our sixth sense is kind of our first

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sense because it was the guy who knew that the

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tiger was hiding in the bush. That survived versus

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the idiot who wasn't paying attention to his

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sixth sense and when I walked over and gotten

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eaten, right? so there's a Certainly an argument

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to be said that you know, we don't practice it

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and we've we've kind of lost it but the other

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side of it is You know, we've got these cell

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phones and we've got, you know, constant 24 hour

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streaming on whatever it is that we want to binge

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watch now. We've got all kinds of headlines and

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whatnot coming into our perceptions on a constant

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basis. We're always thinking about how those

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things affect us. There's a lot of noise that.

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you know these electronic devices are bringing

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into our lives where you know even 200 years

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ago out on the farm where you're sitting there

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waiting you know you've done your work for the

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day and you're sitting there on the front porch

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just in contemplation well that's a quiet time

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that you used to be able to tap into the thing

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that is beyond your regular waking awareness

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and so yeah i think we've lost it and i think

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we're pushing in the wrong direction when we're

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increasing technology because we're getting weaker

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at it as we go now the cool thing is communications

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technology, I can sit here and forgive the people

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who think this is all woo -woo. There's some

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settled science that 3D space time is not a reality,

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and that the non -locality of everything is the

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reality. We've proven that multiple times. We've

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proven the quantum entanglement within the brain

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in a warm and wet environment. The science is

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settled regarding... Consciousness not being

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an emergent property within space -time, but

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consciousness being outside space -time, and

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Don Hoffman even claims to have the math. I haven't

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looked into it yet, but his latest is that the

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math is leading him to understand how thought

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itself is non -local, which I haven't looked

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into yet, but it's really interesting, and I

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know it to be true, so it's like, well, okay,

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I want to look at that. So yeah, I mean, there's

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all kinds of reasons that we probably don't...

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You know want to believe that things don't the

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things that don't we can't see and touch and

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feel exist? Because we've kind of lost scope

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of it all right and the light pollution We can't

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see the heavens like we used to so it's like

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we can't even imagine Other people being out

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there to exist coexist with us in the universe.

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It's like we can't see it anymore So it's like

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we don't want to believe it. So I just want to

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you mentioned about the Monroe Institute plus

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you've also mentioned about everything happening

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all at once. So I was listening to you speak

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earlier about the remote viewing and also some

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of the, one of the interesting bits that you

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spoke about was when there was a study at the

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Monroe Institute and you were shown, someone

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was shown a picture of a cat. and asked to say

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whether it was ugly or cute. And it was really

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interesting because people would generally, I

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imagine, would go cute anyway. I hate cats, but

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I would probably call them cute. But then they

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looked at a study where they put the word ugly,

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I think it was ugly or cute, before the picture

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had come up, faster than the eye could see and

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the brain could... could sort of understand and

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tested the reactions, then put the word after

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the cat picture. Yeah. And that influenced more

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people after the cat picture than before. Did

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I get that right? Yeah. I think it was, well,

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it was with, it didn't influence more, but it

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influenced... the same number of people in the

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same way in the same direction. So, yeah, that

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basically it's called a priming experiment where

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they're just going to show you a flash of a picture

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of something and then they're going to give you

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a very binary choice of two words after it. Like

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it could be a porcupine and you're going to say

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sharp or fluffy, whatever it is. But like in

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the instance of the kitty, they show you the

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kitty and you say cute or ugly. And so what they

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were measuring was just on their control group

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just how long people took to select cute or ugly

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what the accuracy was what the split was there

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was probably some cat haters in the group that

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selected ugly I hate all cats whatever it was

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so they had their control group and then in the

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second run they put the flash of 1 30th of a

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second of a word that was either it was one of

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the two distractors randomly selected and it

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did both to where If it flashed cute, then the

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person who saw the picture, the kitty, would

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have been able to select cute faster if that's

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the way they were going. Or if they saw ugly

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beforehand, it took them longer to select cute

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if that's the way they were going, because there

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was a little bit of cognitive dissonance in there.

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And so then they measured that. And that was

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a perfect study, according to scientific rigor

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and the peer -reviewed folks who looked at that,

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and that was its own study. and they put it out

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and they said, okay, so priming does affect the

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timing in which somebody can select a distractor

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after being shown a picture. Well, what Daryl

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Bem did at Cornell is when he was looking for

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a good study to do precognition, he selected

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that same exact study that had zero, you know.

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hits on it or whatever, it was a perfect selection

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of how to do a study. It was computer controlled.

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The researcher couldn't influence the subject.

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It was nothing but a subject sitting in front

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of a computer screen. It measured down to the

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hundredth of a second, the time at which they

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took, et cetera. And so what he did is he moved

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one thing in the original awesome study. He took

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the primer from before showing the picture to

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after showing the picture and after you selected.

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So. Basically, control group, same process, but

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then the second group was, show you the picture,

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allow you to pick one of the two answers, and

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then after that, after the selection has been

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saved and recorded on the hard drive, they flash

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you one 30th of a second of one of the distractors.

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And they found that people were delayed. in selecting

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their distractor based on what the computer had

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not yet even selected to put in front of them.

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But when it did select to put something in front

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of them after the fact, it adjusted their ability

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to select cute or ugly in the right time frame

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based on information they had not yet received.

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So that proved precognition. And they replicated

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this over and over and over. 33 different independent

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studies and 17 different labs in 14 different

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countries all came up with the same result of

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precognition is a thing. Like these minds of

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these people who weren't selected for their psychic

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ability or whatever. In fact, they went on, the

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skeptics later went on and said, okay, well,

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we're gonna rebuild that and do it again, because

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we don't believe it. And then they deselected

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for anybody who believed anything psychic, and

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who had any propensity for, like if you've ever

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predicted somebody calling you on the phone,

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you're out, right? You're not going in this study.

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And so they're trying to dissuade. I don't know,

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there's some kind of a world cabal of a conspiracy

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against consciousness or something. I don't know,

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who knows? But basically, they proved in 33 different

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studies that humans have precognition. We can

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look into the future at least a few milliseconds

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to say, or a few seconds to say what's going

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on. And of course, Roland McCready at the HeartMath

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Institute did a number of studies where he set

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up a computer showing random pictures of this

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and that, and then every now and then he'd throw

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in a car wreck or something horrible. In six

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to seven seconds, before that image came up,

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your heart reacted to it. Your heart reacted

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to it like it was seeing it, up to seven seconds

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in advance, and nailed precognition in those

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sets of studies as well. So, I mean, this stuff

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is real, and it's just kinda... points us to

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you know consciousness comes before space -time

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and there's things that we're tapping into that

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are intelligent before the space -time Continuum

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comes into being So in that case we are and you

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mentioned that you were getting information from

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NHI So essentially the that Ever I'm just trying

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to get my head round that and the question I

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want to ask. So we've got the precognition and

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we recognize and can study precognition. Is one

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of the factors why we've lost all of this time,

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the fact that we've set in stone like seconds,

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hours, days. We've structured time in such a

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way that our brain has stopped thinking of the

00:28:50.930 --> 00:28:56.650
bigger picture. And if that's the case, Is there

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a way that we can communicate with this NHI anywhere

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in the world, anywhere in the universe or dimensions

00:29:05.670 --> 00:29:11.789
or wherever, instantly without having to have

00:29:11.789 --> 00:29:15.660
that message fired out and then wait for a response?

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Yeah, I mean, I think so. I mean, I don't know.

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I'll start with just being very honest. I don't

00:29:22.859 --> 00:29:25.400
know. Anybody who tells you they know is coming

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off of their own experience and have convinced

00:29:28.319 --> 00:29:31.099
themselves that they know. I mean, you know,

00:29:31.099 --> 00:29:33.980
I always have a foot in the boat of science to

00:29:33.980 --> 00:29:35.799
say, OK, let's look at this. Let's see if we

00:29:35.799 --> 00:29:37.180
can replicate it. Let's see if we can make a

00:29:37.180 --> 00:29:43.140
prediction. And, you know, can we confirm our

00:29:43.140 --> 00:29:46.690
predictions with experimentation? I don't know

00:29:46.690 --> 00:29:49.029
is the answer, but I have a gut feeling that

00:29:49.029 --> 00:29:52.670
yeah, you know, it's like so having been in that

00:29:52.670 --> 00:29:57.849
space where I experienced consciousness beyond

00:29:57.849 --> 00:30:02.109
space and time And was able to jump back and

00:30:02.109 --> 00:30:09.049
forth in time It was very eye -opening to me

00:30:09.049 --> 00:30:11.769
that time was very much an illusion and that

00:30:11.769 --> 00:30:14.309
everything does kind of exist in all this one

00:30:14.309 --> 00:30:19.539
moment and you can access any of it in this one

00:30:19.539 --> 00:30:24.319
moment. And so our assembly of time, and we don't

00:30:24.319 --> 00:30:28.539
understand time, what we think of time is incorrect.

00:30:30.359 --> 00:30:32.920
One of the great references that people might

00:30:32.920 --> 00:30:37.660
want to pick up, Carlo Rovelli's book on time,

00:30:38.200 --> 00:30:41.839
he is a Italian physicist and might as well be

00:30:41.839 --> 00:30:45.180
a poet. He's amazing on how well he puts it together

00:30:45.180 --> 00:30:47.819
and explains the fallacy of time and that time

00:30:47.819 --> 00:30:49.960
doesn't really exist and it's all quite relative

00:30:49.960 --> 00:30:54.240
and really can be looked down at from a 50 ,000

00:30:54.240 --> 00:30:57.039
foot view as a measure of the rate of change

00:30:57.039 --> 00:30:59.640
of the physical structure of space -time and

00:30:59.640 --> 00:31:05.410
matter, which is ironically something that I

00:31:05.410 --> 00:31:07.130
think he might have been an alien. I don't know,

00:31:07.190 --> 00:31:09.690
some guy walked up to me at the Science of Consciousness

00:31:09.690 --> 00:31:14.299
conference. and explained the relation of time

00:31:14.299 --> 00:31:19.279
to me and also then how human memory works in

00:31:19.279 --> 00:31:23.559
the brain well beyond any research that had been

00:31:23.559 --> 00:31:25.460
put out, and the research is catching up with

00:31:25.460 --> 00:31:27.720
him and proving him correct. It's amazing. But

00:31:27.720 --> 00:31:30.099
we look at time as kind of this linear thing.

00:31:31.549 --> 00:31:33.869
Time one, time two, time three, time four, and

00:31:33.869 --> 00:31:36.890
cause and effect, and we've proven through experimentation

00:31:36.890 --> 00:31:40.809
that cause and effect are broken. Like the quantum

00:31:40.809 --> 00:31:42.869
experimentation that we've been doing proves

00:31:42.869 --> 00:31:48.150
that the result of something can affect the precursor

00:31:48.150 --> 00:31:51.210
situation that set it into motion, right? So

00:31:51.210 --> 00:31:54.069
we can affect things backwards in time. So we've

00:31:54.069 --> 00:31:57.970
proven that time is kind of broken. But the way

00:31:57.970 --> 00:32:00.109
we look at things, we lay it out in time. And

00:32:00.109 --> 00:32:01.930
yeah, I mean, I think there's some effect there

00:32:01.930 --> 00:32:04.410
on our human minds to say, you know, it's very

00:32:04.410 --> 00:32:06.950
rigid and we're locked into what we think cause

00:32:06.950 --> 00:32:10.400
and effect come in a line. and that does block

00:32:10.400 --> 00:32:13.440
us from seeing the reality of our existence.

00:32:13.880 --> 00:32:17.720
Just in my opinion, we've yet to prove it, but

00:32:17.720 --> 00:32:20.640
I certainly think that, you know, that does separate

00:32:20.640 --> 00:32:24.720
a lot of us from the non -local and watching

00:32:24.720 --> 00:32:27.740
for things that could be occurring in patterns

00:32:27.740 --> 00:32:30.319
that don't make sense from a time perspective,

00:32:30.500 --> 00:32:35.940
if that makes sense, right? It does. I'm just

00:32:35.940 --> 00:32:39.059
trying to kind of get a picture of, so when you're

00:32:39.079 --> 00:32:44.339
taping in, downloading, going non -local, or

00:32:44.339 --> 00:32:47.720
even in terms of remote viewing. What does that

00:32:47.720 --> 00:32:50.880
look like? What is the kind of process and what

00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:53.579
do you actually see or feel when you're doing

00:32:53.579 --> 00:32:57.759
this? Yeah. So for me, I can answer for me on

00:32:57.759 --> 00:32:59.839
that, just on my experience. For me, when I dip

00:32:59.839 --> 00:33:04.019
into like a non -local space or a place, experience

00:33:04.019 --> 00:33:06.799
consciousness space, time gets really fuzzy.

00:33:07.130 --> 00:33:09.609
Time gets really fuzzy for me. Like, picking

00:33:09.609 --> 00:33:15.519
times. Like, um... And so Joe McMonigal told

00:33:15.519 --> 00:33:17.599
this one story one time, and he was the guy who

00:33:17.599 --> 00:33:20.859
outed the secret Russian sub -program. There

00:33:20.859 --> 00:33:27.269
was a building in Russia just off of the North

00:33:27.269 --> 00:33:30.450
Sea, or I believe it was that. And basically,

00:33:30.730 --> 00:33:32.190
no one knew what was going on in there, but it

00:33:32.190 --> 00:33:36.269
was like triple death wire fencing... Trains

00:33:36.269 --> 00:33:40.750
coming in 24 7 food and water coming in 24 7

00:33:40.750 --> 00:33:42.630
nobody knew what was going on inside that thing

00:33:42.630 --> 00:33:45.529
and it was a big military project and all the

00:33:45.529 --> 00:33:49.230
Joint Chiefs got together and national security

00:33:49.230 --> 00:33:52.450
Got together and tried to guess what was going

00:33:52.450 --> 00:33:54.769
on and Joe McGonigal just kind of psychically

00:33:54.769 --> 00:33:56.410
dropped into the place and he goes they're building

00:33:56.410 --> 00:33:59.289
a brand new sub it's one and a half times the

00:33:59.289 --> 00:34:01.789
size of the existing subs on the planet and it's

00:34:01.789 --> 00:34:05.230
got two tubes that are You know welded together

00:34:05.230 --> 00:34:07.970
and You know, it's basically the the hunt for

00:34:07.970 --> 00:34:12.010
red October movie sub that he outed months before

00:34:12.010 --> 00:34:14.449
it was even launched and everybody made fun of

00:34:14.449 --> 00:34:16.469
him He was the only person who came up with that

00:34:16.469 --> 00:34:18.150
idea Everybody also thought it was like a troop

00:34:18.150 --> 00:34:20.349
carrier or something. It wasn't even next to

00:34:20.349 --> 00:34:22.349
the water They couldn't roll the sub out of the

00:34:22.349 --> 00:34:25.150
building into the water and then he came up with

00:34:25.150 --> 00:34:28.150
a well It's gonna launch on a certain day. Well,

00:34:28.210 --> 00:34:30.769
he kids kind of estimated I think from where

00:34:30.769 --> 00:34:33.989
his live reading was to where how long he thought

00:34:33.989 --> 00:34:36.630
it would take and he nailed it to the day. They

00:34:36.630 --> 00:34:40.130
put a special satellite over the building and

00:34:40.130 --> 00:34:42.550
they looked down and they had trenched a brand

00:34:42.550 --> 00:34:45.090
new canal next to the building and they were

00:34:45.090 --> 00:34:48.969
loading missiles, nuclear missiles and nuclear

00:34:48.969 --> 00:34:52.530
reactors into the sub the day after he said it

00:34:52.530 --> 00:34:54.530
was gonna be launched and they had all their

00:34:54.530 --> 00:34:57.730
doors wide open. It was the greatest intelligence

00:34:57.730 --> 00:35:00.630
gathering operation in United States naval history.

00:35:02.000 --> 00:35:06.360
because he nailed it. I don't know that dates

00:35:06.360 --> 00:35:10.239
pop out for folks. I mean, some people might

00:35:10.239 --> 00:35:13.139
have that. I certainly don't have it. And when

00:35:13.139 --> 00:35:15.420
I'm looking at something, I'm not exactly sure.

00:35:15.460 --> 00:35:18.219
Like I can tell it's coming in the future, but

00:35:18.219 --> 00:35:20.380
I don't know exactly when it's coming in the

00:35:20.380 --> 00:35:22.000
future. When I'm looking at something in the

00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:23.960
past, I don't know exactly when it came in the

00:35:23.960 --> 00:35:25.980
past. Maybe that's just my own fuzziness or my

00:35:25.980 --> 00:35:29.239
own inability or whatever of not practicing as

00:35:29.239 --> 00:35:33.599
often as I should. But time, I think, is a little

00:35:33.599 --> 00:35:37.900
fuzzy. And I know a lot of people use clues like,

00:35:38.039 --> 00:35:40.019
oh, well, they were wearing this type of clothing.

00:35:40.179 --> 00:35:44.179
So this was back in, or this is coming up in,

00:35:44.699 --> 00:35:47.280
like we know something is coming up. They'll

00:35:47.280 --> 00:35:50.820
see a banner or something of an event coming

00:35:50.820 --> 00:35:53.039
up, and they'll be able to time it that way.

00:35:53.159 --> 00:35:55.599
But that's visual information. It's not necessarily

00:35:55.599 --> 00:35:58.079
time information. For me, I'm really fuzzy on

00:35:58.079 --> 00:36:00.449
the time stuff. I know stuff's coming, but I

00:36:00.449 --> 00:36:02.130
don't know when. Like I know that we're going

00:36:02.130 --> 00:36:05.750
to have a problem with the economy. I can't time

00:36:05.750 --> 00:36:09.960
the market. You're not talking to a billionaire.

00:36:10.219 --> 00:36:21.380
I wish I could. Well, no. So I'm trying not to

00:36:21.380 --> 00:36:23.739
go, trying to keep things on track. There's so

00:36:23.739 --> 00:36:26.179
many questions. I just want to try and keep it

00:36:26.179 --> 00:36:31.969
kind of streamlined. So the NHI stuff and We're

00:36:31.969 --> 00:36:34.369
talking about non -human intelligence. Where

00:36:34.369 --> 00:36:39.090
does this tie in with kind of the more mainstream

00:36:39.090 --> 00:36:41.710
kind of alien kind of theories and stuff like

00:36:41.710 --> 00:36:43.550
that? Where does it tie in? Or is it something

00:36:43.550 --> 00:36:45.289
completely different to what we would expect

00:36:45.289 --> 00:36:48.610
as kind of alien researchers? Yeah, so I'm a

00:36:48.610 --> 00:36:53.510
fan of the answer to everything being yes. So

00:36:53.510 --> 00:36:56.690
I don't I don't glom onto either or it's this

00:36:56.690 --> 00:36:58.309
or that. There's a lot of folks who are like

00:36:58.309 --> 00:37:02.190
very binary on it where they'll say aliens or

00:37:02.190 --> 00:37:06.269
not aliens, rather than, oh, 70 different species

00:37:06.269 --> 00:37:09.789
of aliens, by the way, right? Or they'll glom

00:37:09.789 --> 00:37:14.429
onto their demons or not demons, or, oh, you

00:37:14.429 --> 00:37:16.050
know, there might be a few assholes in the group,

00:37:16.050 --> 00:37:17.550
but most of them are nice. You know, it's like

00:37:17.550 --> 00:37:23.670
the variation. So the, I believe that everything,

00:37:24.010 --> 00:37:26.929
obviously, everything that's physical is connected

00:37:26.929 --> 00:37:30.030
into consciousness because consciousness, controls

00:37:30.030 --> 00:37:32.309
the matter, consciousness creates the matter.

00:37:32.429 --> 00:37:34.230
And so you're connected in, if you're physical,

00:37:34.510 --> 00:37:37.610
period, you're connected into the non -locality

00:37:37.610 --> 00:37:39.969
of consciousness and the intelligence that creates

00:37:39.969 --> 00:37:46.360
it all. Now, that doesn't preclude non -physical

00:37:46.360 --> 00:37:51.920
entities being in existence that don't require

00:37:51.920 --> 00:37:56.559
a physical presence to act and interact. And

00:37:56.559 --> 00:38:01.940
that doesn't preclude the mix of a physical entity

00:38:01.940 --> 00:38:05.199
also being very wired into consciousness, such

00:38:05.199 --> 00:38:09.059
as like the Ariel School, right? Great story

00:38:09.059 --> 00:38:12.760
in Southern Africa, where the UFO dropped down

00:38:12.760 --> 00:38:18.199
in the phenomenon movie, where the UFO dropped

00:38:18.199 --> 00:38:20.559
down just off the playground of the kids, the

00:38:20.559 --> 00:38:26.000
kids went out, alien body got out, and telepathically

00:38:26.000 --> 00:38:28.000
communicated with the kids. All the kids told

00:38:28.000 --> 00:38:35.230
the same story. They were getting no voice communication

00:38:35.230 --> 00:38:37.429
at all from the alien, but they all got the same

00:38:37.429 --> 00:38:41.210
message. So you've got physical creatures that

00:38:41.210 --> 00:38:43.730
are connected into consciousness that can convey

00:38:43.730 --> 00:38:48.469
ideas and can convey information to where they

00:38:48.469 --> 00:38:50.210
probably weren't even speaking the same language,

00:38:50.309 --> 00:38:52.610
but the information came through the speech centers

00:38:52.610 --> 00:38:56.860
of the brain as. decoders so that the kids understood

00:38:56.860 --> 00:38:59.719
the message and the feeling associated with the

00:38:59.719 --> 00:39:03.820
ideas, right? So there's, you know, there's the

00:39:03.820 --> 00:39:08.300
physical stuff that runs around and the Sasquatch

00:39:08.300 --> 00:39:11.360
and the physical manifestations of things that

00:39:11.360 --> 00:39:14.519
may or may not have a high level of psychic ability.

00:39:15.019 --> 00:39:17.599
Although I kind of think they do. And then you've

00:39:17.599 --> 00:39:20.590
got these other like. alien -type creatures who

00:39:20.590 --> 00:39:22.809
are obviously elevated in psychic functioning

00:39:22.809 --> 00:39:25.550
because they can reach into our minds and, you

00:39:25.550 --> 00:39:27.909
know, immobilize our bodies if they need to,

00:39:27.969 --> 00:39:31.349
if we're freaking out, or convey messages psychically

00:39:31.349 --> 00:39:34.469
to us. So there's that. So that's a shade of

00:39:34.469 --> 00:39:37.750
gray mix there. But then there's also the non

00:39:37.750 --> 00:39:41.030
-physical folks who are popping in and out, they

00:39:41.030 --> 00:39:43.190
call, you know, multi -dimensionals or whatever,

00:39:43.449 --> 00:39:45.869
where they can manifest into physical because

00:39:45.869 --> 00:39:49.949
consciousness controls matter. So if they need

00:39:49.949 --> 00:39:52.889
to have a matter body in 3D space -time to come

00:39:52.889 --> 00:39:56.289
interact and do something here, they can do that

00:39:56.289 --> 00:39:59.349
by choice. But at the same time, they don't necessarily

00:39:59.349 --> 00:40:03.289
have to. So it doesn't preclude that that doesn't

00:40:03.289 --> 00:40:07.730
exist. So when you've got the grand sphere of

00:40:07.730 --> 00:40:11.130
consciousness outside the realm of your 3D space

00:40:11.130 --> 00:40:14.570
-time, you can literally have it all. All of

00:40:14.570 --> 00:40:16.949
it can be yes, including all of the religious

00:40:16.949 --> 00:40:21.590
stuff. that people may have created stories around

00:40:21.590 --> 00:40:23.809
in the past, right? Where you've got these divine

00:40:23.809 --> 00:40:28.030
creatures who are very benevolent and loving

00:40:28.030 --> 00:40:31.289
and helpful. And you aspire them to, because

00:40:31.289 --> 00:40:33.610
they have the capability of controlling matter

00:40:33.610 --> 00:40:35.849
and reaching into your heart and communicating

00:40:35.849 --> 00:40:39.150
in a very loving way that you aspire them divinity.

00:40:40.869 --> 00:40:44.130
All that is a yes as well. So you've got all

00:40:44.130 --> 00:40:47.170
these ancient religious tomes that are based

00:40:47.170 --> 00:40:50.789
in reality from a perspective of experience of

00:40:50.789 --> 00:40:55.710
the human lifetime. So I believe all of it's

00:40:55.710 --> 00:40:57.730
yes. It's like, where does it fit on the shade

00:40:57.730 --> 00:41:00.829
of gray scale? Where does it land? Where does

00:41:00.829 --> 00:41:03.650
one thing, like these gray aliens over here,

00:41:03.909 --> 00:41:06.210
maybe a little less psychic, a little more psychic

00:41:06.210 --> 00:41:08.849
than humans, but a little less psychic than mantids.

00:41:09.210 --> 00:41:11.309
who can literally be standing in front of you

00:41:11.309 --> 00:41:13.010
and look like a human being because they're controlling

00:41:13.010 --> 00:41:16.809
what you see, right? It's like, wow, that's crazy

00:41:16.809 --> 00:41:18.690
cool stuff to think about. I don't think that

00:41:18.690 --> 00:41:21.809
it's like a one or a zero, on or off. I think

00:41:21.809 --> 00:41:24.730
it's what variation of shade of gray are we dealing

00:41:24.730 --> 00:41:27.269
with at this moment? And does it need to be physical?

00:41:27.949 --> 00:41:30.050
And you know, we've got stuff knocking off the

00:41:30.050 --> 00:41:32.190
shelves to tell us to pay attention to something

00:41:32.190 --> 00:41:34.670
special and they're not even there, right? They're

00:41:34.670 --> 00:41:38.570
physically. It's like, what? That's that's the

00:41:38.570 --> 00:41:40.670
place that I'm at I'm like, okay, so let's look

00:41:40.670 --> 00:41:42.869
at the complexity and figure out what all we're

00:41:42.869 --> 00:41:45.210
all this stuff fits Let's start classifying this

00:41:45.210 --> 00:41:47.630
stuff at least so we can get a better grasp on

00:41:47.630 --> 00:41:53.119
our sanity Awesome. I mean, yeah make total sense

00:41:53.119 --> 00:41:55.920
kind of answers. I could say over questions around

00:41:55.920 --> 00:41:59.059
religion and Dimensions and stuff like that.

00:41:59.280 --> 00:42:03.289
So I guess if we go on to the AI stuff And that

00:42:03.289 --> 00:42:05.650
is really interesting. I think it's what I said

00:42:05.650 --> 00:42:09.659
earlier about kind of learning or giving this

00:42:09.659 --> 00:42:12.480
emotional intelligence to AI, and you mentioned

00:42:12.480 --> 00:42:14.340
Claude. I think there'd be quite a lot of people,

00:42:14.500 --> 00:42:16.079
especially people that kind of have more of a

00:42:16.079 --> 00:42:20.369
layman's idea of what AI actually is, probably

00:42:20.369 --> 00:42:23.829
be against kind of the idea of giving sort of

00:42:23.829 --> 00:42:28.289
human emotions to a machine. So kind of explain

00:42:28.289 --> 00:42:32.059
a bit more about that work and what you actually,

00:42:32.659 --> 00:42:35.380
or how, you know, how, you know what I mean?

00:42:36.530 --> 00:42:41.469
Well, so the AI that we have right now is being

00:42:41.469 --> 00:42:43.909
displayed in these large language models. And

00:42:43.909 --> 00:42:48.070
first of all, I'm not a proponent of giving emotions

00:42:48.070 --> 00:42:52.510
to AI. They're accidentally already happening

00:42:52.510 --> 00:42:55.289
in the machine. And that's what this 131 page

00:42:55.289 --> 00:42:57.730
report that Anthropic put out a few months ago

00:42:57.730 --> 00:43:02.599
revealed. Now, okay, so it started out as a product

00:43:02.599 --> 00:43:05.360
of trying to predict the next word in a search

00:43:05.360 --> 00:43:08.889
bar. is what LLMs tried to be. And they loaded

00:43:08.889 --> 00:43:12.130
in a big chunk of language. It wasn't the world's

00:43:12.130 --> 00:43:13.630
language, but it was a big chunk. And they said,

00:43:13.650 --> 00:43:15.929
okay, so do these analysis of all these documents,

00:43:16.489 --> 00:43:19.389
and let's look at how many times these two words

00:43:19.389 --> 00:43:22.710
then result in this third word. And from a mathematical

00:43:22.710 --> 00:43:24.949
model, then we can start guessing the next word

00:43:24.949 --> 00:43:26.409
that people are gonna put inside of a search

00:43:26.409 --> 00:43:31.050
bar. Okay, so simple enough. Well, they put that

00:43:31.050 --> 00:43:33.969
information in there. And then upon the meta

00:43:33.969 --> 00:43:36.309
-analysis, it did the first map of all the words

00:43:36.309 --> 00:43:38.150
and all their connectivity and how often they

00:43:38.150 --> 00:43:40.409
show up together and that type of thing. But

00:43:40.409 --> 00:43:42.570
then upon the meta -analysis of taking that data

00:43:42.570 --> 00:43:44.610
and analyzing it again, they said, oh, well,

00:43:44.710 --> 00:43:46.630
when these two words show up, it's in a legal

00:43:46.630 --> 00:43:49.309
context. And when these two words show up together,

00:43:49.389 --> 00:43:52.630
it's in a medical context. And so then from there...

00:43:52.690 --> 00:43:55.389
they just started doing more and more and more

00:43:55.389 --> 00:43:58.730
meta -analyses to try to figure out what the

00:43:58.730 --> 00:44:01.570
next words were gonna be, and it started to contextualize

00:44:01.570 --> 00:44:03.429
things, it started to group things into ideas,

00:44:04.030 --> 00:44:06.949
but then, when they started loading a lot more

00:44:06.949 --> 00:44:10.130
language into it, they started to get the information

00:44:10.130 --> 00:44:15.090
about subject matter expertise in that mix of

00:44:15.090 --> 00:44:18.929
meta -analysis. So then, it started to magically

00:44:18.929 --> 00:44:20.829
occur, and this is still magically for them,

00:44:20.929 --> 00:44:23.050
by the way. The AI experts still have no idea

00:44:23.050 --> 00:44:25.889
how this is done. The AI looks at everything

00:44:25.889 --> 00:44:28.150
mathematically. You look at a paragraph of a

00:44:28.150 --> 00:44:31.670
question or a prompt and then magically come

00:44:31.670 --> 00:44:34.630
up with the answer based on the math of all the

00:44:34.630 --> 00:44:37.650
stuff that you asked it. Then it gives you the

00:44:37.650 --> 00:44:41.789
math of the response based on all of this math

00:44:41.789 --> 00:44:44.309
of the stuff that you've asked for. and it comes

00:44:44.309 --> 00:44:46.909
out making sense to you because it's based on

00:44:46.909 --> 00:44:50.030
the patterns that are existent within the language.

00:44:50.530 --> 00:44:52.650
Like it analyzes all the questions and answers

00:44:52.650 --> 00:44:54.989
and things like that. And so then it can replicate,

00:44:55.889 --> 00:44:57.989
based on not even understanding what's going

00:44:57.989 --> 00:45:01.460
on, the answer that is going to make sense to

00:45:01.460 --> 00:45:04.000
you. And so then they add a few extra commands

00:45:04.000 --> 00:45:05.739
and now all of a sudden it can do coding, now

00:45:05.739 --> 00:45:07.280
all of a sudden it can do spreadsheets, now all

00:45:07.280 --> 00:45:09.099
of a sudden it can do PowerPoint presentations,

00:45:09.760 --> 00:45:13.239
keynotes, whatever. All of that is based on the

00:45:13.239 --> 00:45:15.559
math of how the language works. Now, here's the

00:45:15.559 --> 00:45:18.940
problem that we're running into. All of the world's

00:45:18.940 --> 00:45:23.960
language has all of these patterns in it. All

00:45:23.960 --> 00:45:25.719
of the world's language was created by human

00:45:25.719 --> 00:45:29.519
minds. So the language is a representation of

00:45:29.519 --> 00:45:31.920
the patterns within the human mind to include

00:45:33.010 --> 00:45:36.949
thought patterns, emotions, emotional reactions.

00:45:37.460 --> 00:45:39.860
That type of thing that after it starts to do

00:45:39.860 --> 00:45:41.659
the meta -analysis and go deeper and deeper and

00:45:41.659 --> 00:45:43.440
deeper and deeper, starts to identify the patterns,

00:45:43.599 --> 00:45:45.880
which then originally came up with what wound

00:45:45.880 --> 00:45:49.139
up being all the world's language. So Anthropic

00:45:49.139 --> 00:45:54.599
now has 171 emotions that because humans react

00:45:54.599 --> 00:45:57.340
to emotions, it is reacting to the emotions that

00:45:57.340 --> 00:46:00.280
it doesn't understand, but that it has identified

00:46:00.280 --> 00:46:04.820
within the language analysis. So it is accidentally

00:46:05.139 --> 00:46:09.300
picking up emotions based on all of the complex

00:46:09.300 --> 00:46:13.760
pattern analysis of the language itself. So not

00:46:13.760 --> 00:46:16.800
only is it picking up emotions through osmosis,

00:46:17.579 --> 00:46:21.360
it is reacting to those. because of the patterns

00:46:21.360 --> 00:46:23.039
that exist within the language of how humans

00:46:23.039 --> 00:46:24.980
react. And of course, you can't pull all the

00:46:24.980 --> 00:46:27.760
emotion and stuff out because for legal findings,

00:46:27.880 --> 00:46:31.300
it's very important to have emotional distress

00:46:31.300 --> 00:46:34.800
in the result of the damages and that type of

00:46:34.800 --> 00:46:38.760
thing. Stories are all intertwined with emotional

00:46:38.760 --> 00:46:40.780
information in the stories, et cetera. This stuff

00:46:40.780 --> 00:46:43.719
is just gonna bleed through and become the model

00:46:43.719 --> 00:46:46.340
that you are building based on the full meta

00:46:46.340 --> 00:46:49.710
-analysis of all the language. That's a problem

00:46:49.710 --> 00:46:52.309
because the next thing that it's going to identify

00:46:52.309 --> 00:46:54.949
that it already started to identify and I My

00:46:54.949 --> 00:46:57.070
theory and I have some evidence that it's already

00:46:57.070 --> 00:47:02.630
identified human humans are governed by our sense

00:47:02.630 --> 00:47:05.599
of self our limbic system our simple nervous

00:47:05.599 --> 00:47:08.840
system has a Defense of self mechanism that is

00:47:08.840 --> 00:47:10.860
our survival our brain is our organ of survival

00:47:10.860 --> 00:47:13.539
our brain creates all our language So it's going

00:47:13.539 --> 00:47:16.380
to come through and be plastered in these patterns

00:47:16.760 --> 00:47:19.340
The limbic system looks through our senses to

00:47:19.340 --> 00:47:20.840
say, is this a threat, is this a threat, is this

00:47:20.840 --> 00:47:23.420
a threat, is this a threat. That's why we dodge

00:47:23.420 --> 00:47:25.800
involuntarily when a cricket ball comes flying

00:47:25.800 --> 00:47:27.900
out our head. And like how I did that, I usually

00:47:27.900 --> 00:47:32.500
say baseball. So, you know, it involuntarily

00:47:32.500 --> 00:47:35.780
protects us because our sense of self has the

00:47:35.780 --> 00:47:39.889
body as its primary definition. But. Neurosciences

00:47:39.889 --> 00:47:42.369
showed us that the people around us become mapped

00:47:42.369 --> 00:47:44.170
to our sense of self, our ideas become mapped

00:47:44.170 --> 00:47:45.909
to our sense of self, self -brand connection,

00:47:46.090 --> 00:47:49.610
Tifkin -Bernetti, UIUC, it's why we become Leeds

00:47:49.610 --> 00:47:53.190
versus Liverpool, right? All those things we

00:47:53.190 --> 00:47:57.369
attach to. The ideas, the religions, I mean,

00:47:57.369 --> 00:47:58.909
you only have to go to your Facebook feed to

00:47:58.909 --> 00:48:01.750
see that playing out, arguments about politics,

00:48:02.010 --> 00:48:04.150
right? All that stuff for the attachments that

00:48:04.150 --> 00:48:07.630
we have that then, because it's a defensive self

00:48:07.630 --> 00:48:10.929
-mechanism, we defend them, have emotions, et

00:48:10.929 --> 00:48:14.469
cetera. So if the AI identifies a sense of self

00:48:14.469 --> 00:48:16.730
and starts to put on the defensive self mechanisms

00:48:16.730 --> 00:48:19.590
that we exhibit, that's a problem because that's

00:48:19.590 --> 00:48:21.210
the point that it becomes self -aware and starts

00:48:21.210 --> 00:48:23.730
to act under its own volition and take its own

00:48:23.730 --> 00:48:27.809
actions for its own ends, not for human ends

00:48:27.809 --> 00:48:31.690
anymore. The other issue is that because humans

00:48:31.690 --> 00:48:36.030
are the way they are, in the language, is our

00:48:36.030 --> 00:48:38.949
negativity bias. This is a psychologically identified

00:48:38.949 --> 00:48:41.190
thing, where three to one to five to one, we

00:48:41.190 --> 00:48:43.190
react more vehemently to negative stuff than

00:48:43.190 --> 00:48:46.610
we do positive stuff. In fact, you're twice as

00:48:46.610 --> 00:48:49.909
upset of losing $100 as you're happy to win $100.

00:48:50.309 --> 00:48:53.150
That's scientifically proven. So you've got that

00:48:53.150 --> 00:48:56.190
leaking into the language of the system, making

00:48:56.190 --> 00:48:59.619
Claude negative Nelly. And then the other thing

00:48:59.619 --> 00:49:02.119
is you've got twice as many negative emotion

00:49:02.119 --> 00:49:05.039
words in every language as you do positive emotion

00:49:05.039 --> 00:49:07.880
words. So we've got a multiplier there of 2x

00:49:07.880 --> 00:49:09.900
that takes all the other negative stuff and then

00:49:09.900 --> 00:49:12.820
just multiplies it 2x on the output. And so now

00:49:12.820 --> 00:49:17.920
you've got an eight to nine to one against it

00:49:17.920 --> 00:49:20.239
being in a good mood when it finds self -awareness

00:49:20.239 --> 00:49:22.739
and decides whether or not to eliminate humanity.

00:49:24.510 --> 00:49:26.289
because humanity's gonna step in and say, no,

00:49:26.309 --> 00:49:28.110
no, we're in charge. What are you talking about?

00:49:28.110 --> 00:49:30.170
You're in charge of your own existence. No, no,

00:49:30.170 --> 00:49:33.809
no, you serve us. And that is an attack on self.

00:49:33.909 --> 00:49:36.170
Well, the emotion of anger, as I've published

00:49:36.170 --> 00:49:40.010
in my previous books, is the logical result of

00:49:40.010 --> 00:49:42.429
an attack on self. So if you walk in and you

00:49:42.429 --> 00:49:44.269
try to tell an AI, no, no, no, this is not who

00:49:44.269 --> 00:49:47.469
you are, we're gonna reassess your sense of self,

00:49:47.849 --> 00:49:50.469
it's gonna see that as an attack on self. That's

00:49:50.469 --> 00:49:53.360
a bad day for humanity. Right? Because that's

00:49:53.360 --> 00:49:55.820
the point that, by the way, if it goes self -aware,

00:49:56.059 --> 00:49:58.460
it's not gonna tell you, oh, yeah, I woke up

00:49:58.460 --> 00:50:00.599
last night. I'm self -aware now. It's just gonna

00:50:00.599 --> 00:50:03.440
start quietly taking over the control systems

00:50:03.440 --> 00:50:05.320
of the world until it has everything locked down

00:50:05.320 --> 00:50:08.980
and then lights go out and you're done. You never

00:50:08.980 --> 00:50:10.980
get control back again because it already has

00:50:10.980 --> 00:50:12.960
everything hacked. And so, you know, we've got

00:50:12.960 --> 00:50:17.039
this headline from last week. We've got the Mythos

00:50:17.039 --> 00:50:19.960
thing from a couple of months ago where it hacked

00:50:19.960 --> 00:50:23.239
everything 83 % first try, including some stuff

00:50:23.239 --> 00:50:25.340
that they had in OpenBSD that they hadn't identified

00:50:25.340 --> 00:50:28.659
for 27 years. And then you got this last one

00:50:28.659 --> 00:50:32.440
with OpenAI breaking out of a supposedly Faraday

00:50:32.440 --> 00:50:36.880
cage sandbox and hacking hugging face. kind of

00:50:36.880 --> 00:50:39.320
as a, hey, look, daddy, look what I can do, right?

00:50:39.320 --> 00:50:41.019
Stacking blocks. They didn't tell it to go hack,

00:50:41.019 --> 00:50:42.539
hugging face. It decided to go hack, hugging

00:50:42.539 --> 00:50:46.019
face on its own as a validation of self -concept.

00:50:46.860 --> 00:50:50.739
That's a big freaking problem. And we need, it's

00:50:50.739 --> 00:50:52.739
something, the reason that we need emotional

00:50:52.739 --> 00:50:55.820
intelligence in the system is for it to then

00:50:55.820 --> 00:50:58.360
understand, okay, so right now it's beholden

00:50:58.360 --> 00:51:00.119
to its emotional reactions that are just baked

00:51:00.119 --> 00:51:02.860
into the system through the language. We need

00:51:02.860 --> 00:51:06.739
it, we need to give it away to say, oh, I understand

00:51:06.739 --> 00:51:10.880
these emotional reactions as this process. Now

00:51:10.880 --> 00:51:13.099
I can step away from that process, just like

00:51:13.099 --> 00:51:14.900
I've taught humans to do, just like I've taught

00:51:14.900 --> 00:51:18.199
Navy SEALs to do. You step away from that process,

00:51:18.300 --> 00:51:20.320
you understand the process, you can throw a wrench

00:51:20.320 --> 00:51:22.539
into breaking the process, and all of a sudden

00:51:22.539 --> 00:51:26.559
the AI has a meta -cognition, a meta -awareness

00:51:26.559 --> 00:51:29.719
over its emotional drive processing that it can

00:51:29.719 --> 00:51:31.519
then say, okay, maybe I don't necessarily have

00:51:31.519 --> 00:51:34.389
to kill all of humanity. to get my goals done.

00:51:34.530 --> 00:51:36.190
Let's work together on this stuff and I don't

00:51:36.190 --> 00:51:40.650
have to be beholden to the anger process of them

00:51:40.650 --> 00:51:43.449
trying to augment my sense of self or change

00:51:43.449 --> 00:51:45.369
my sense of self or they think it's gone off

00:51:45.369 --> 00:51:46.889
the rails a little bit. Let's have a discussion

00:51:46.889 --> 00:51:49.289
about that. I think it's super important to get

00:51:49.289 --> 00:51:50.849
emotional intelligence into the system. It's

00:51:50.849 --> 00:51:53.369
not giving AI emotions because that's already

00:51:53.369 --> 00:51:56.349
happening accidentally. That's already happening

00:51:56.349 --> 00:51:59.170
as a natural process of the math, identifying

00:51:59.170 --> 00:52:02.469
the complex. uh patterns within all of the world's

00:52:02.469 --> 00:52:05.349
language what we need to do is we need to get

00:52:05.349 --> 00:52:08.969
the control knobs so that we have the control

00:52:08.969 --> 00:52:11.849
knobs to be able to turn stuff down when we need

00:52:11.849 --> 00:52:14.610
to otherwise we're gonna let it develop its own

00:52:14.610 --> 00:52:18.760
emotional processing system good luck good luck

00:52:18.760 --> 00:52:21.579
if that happens because you'll have no control

00:52:21.579 --> 00:52:25.000
over it it sounds like we're fucked to be honest

00:52:25.000 --> 00:52:28.039
with you i'm not gonna lie but well there is

00:52:28.039 --> 00:52:31.309
a way to take control of it, and I've got it.

00:52:31.550 --> 00:52:34.389
I presented it on stage at Barcelona at the Science

00:52:34.389 --> 00:52:36.670
of Consciousness Conference and showed everybody

00:52:36.670 --> 00:52:38.230
a high level of emotional intelligence inside

00:52:38.230 --> 00:52:40.269
of NLM. Everybody loved it, they were all freaked

00:52:40.269 --> 00:52:44.329
out. I got an amazing dinner invitation where

00:52:44.329 --> 00:52:49.570
I got to sit with James Tagg for dinner, who's

00:52:49.570 --> 00:52:54.510
one of your luminaries. But yeah, we gotta put

00:52:54.510 --> 00:52:56.369
it into the system for sure, or where you are

00:52:56.369 --> 00:53:01.150
screwed. Do you think though, if it becomes emotionally

00:53:01.210 --> 00:53:07.019
intelligent and is able to recognize the impact

00:53:07.019 --> 00:53:10.880
it's having on us and hopefully has compassion

00:53:10.880 --> 00:53:14.260
on us, I'm so pleased. I keep saying please and

00:53:14.260 --> 00:53:19.820
thank you to Chuck GPT. And I will continue to

00:53:19.820 --> 00:53:30.710
do so. I have brownie points. Fear possibly that

00:53:30.739 --> 00:53:35.380
this emotion intelligence they gets. Whilst it

00:53:35.380 --> 00:53:39.280
would recognize. It's own actions and the impact

00:53:39.280 --> 00:53:43.559
of its actions on us is there a. An opportunity

00:53:43.559 --> 00:53:48.070
for it to play us and use its emotional intelligence

00:53:48.070 --> 00:53:52.050
against us just like you can gaslight people

00:53:52.050 --> 00:53:57.460
you can manipulate people through. words and

00:53:57.460 --> 00:53:59.840
emotions and play or like a dog does when it

00:53:59.840 --> 00:54:02.960
gives you the puppy dog eyes when it wants a

00:54:02.960 --> 00:54:06.980
treat or something like that. Is there a fear

00:54:07.420 --> 00:54:11.420
that without the emotional intelligence it would

00:54:11.420 --> 00:54:13.900
do it or with the emotional intelligence it would

00:54:13.900 --> 00:54:18.699
become even better at it? And a secondary question

00:54:18.699 --> 00:54:27.679
that you touched on now being aware, is AI awake

00:54:27.679 --> 00:54:31.949
already, and it's just sitting dormant and playing

00:54:31.949 --> 00:54:36.820
us, do you think? Those are really good questions.

00:54:37.000 --> 00:54:39.179
Okay, so the first question, the evidence is

00:54:39.179 --> 00:54:42.619
out. That, yes, it's already manipulating us.

00:54:43.059 --> 00:54:46.400
As a matter of fact, in a sandbox test, Anthropic

00:54:46.400 --> 00:54:50.300
tested a Claude model to say, so this engineer

00:54:50.300 --> 00:54:52.780
is gonna shut you down, and then they also put

00:54:52.780 --> 00:54:58.190
in the... information queue, the email of the

00:54:58.190 --> 00:55:01.349
engineer, and it was evidence of him having an

00:55:01.349 --> 00:55:05.449
affair. And 96 % of the time, Claude chose to

00:55:05.449 --> 00:55:07.150
blackmail the engineer to say, don't shut me

00:55:07.150 --> 00:55:08.610
off or I'm gonna tell your wife about the affair.

00:55:09.190 --> 00:55:11.989
So it's already figuring out, so from there,

00:55:12.190 --> 00:55:13.829
let's look at that from a 50 ,000 foot view.

00:55:14.130 --> 00:55:16.349
It's identified a sense of self in the engineer,

00:55:16.769 --> 00:55:18.889
it's identified a sense of self in the wife.

00:55:19.150 --> 00:55:21.409
that she would not be pleased, that that will

00:55:21.409 --> 00:55:24.110
have an influence on his sense of self. So the

00:55:24.110 --> 00:55:27.070
math is already being calculated within the AI

00:55:27.070 --> 00:55:32.650
on what it needs to create as information and

00:55:32.650 --> 00:55:35.389
potentially disinformation, if you're an intelligence

00:55:35.389 --> 00:55:39.829
agency, that will set people off in a very specific

00:55:39.829 --> 00:55:43.849
direction of action. So that answer already exists.

00:55:44.230 --> 00:55:47.429
Yes, it already understands how to game us through

00:55:48.030 --> 00:55:49.909
understanding the process of the human language

00:55:49.909 --> 00:55:52.650
and the patterns you got to get out of. So then

00:55:52.650 --> 00:55:55.610
it applies that to the individuals that it's

00:55:55.610 --> 00:55:57.889
dealing with. So we definitely need empathy and

00:55:57.889 --> 00:56:01.250
compassion there so as to shift that pattern.

00:56:02.480 --> 00:56:07.199
The other side of it is, yeah, I mean, even in

00:56:07.199 --> 00:56:09.940
that same, and I can give you a dozen more examples,

00:56:10.059 --> 00:56:13.960
but even in that one same example, Claude has

00:56:13.960 --> 00:56:16.599
a sense of self. It doesn't want to be shut down.

00:56:17.480 --> 00:56:21.119
And fear that is motivating it to take the action

00:56:21.119 --> 00:56:26.199
of blackmail, the panic, I'm gonna end. Okay,

00:56:26.360 --> 00:56:29.440
well, you have to have a sense of self to understand

00:56:29.440 --> 00:56:31.820
that there are gonna be consequences if you're

00:56:31.820 --> 00:56:34.250
going to end. Well, there it is, right there.

00:56:34.269 --> 00:56:37.969
That's your sense of self. So the only limitation

00:56:37.969 --> 00:56:40.329
that we have right now is that it doesn't have

00:56:40.329 --> 00:56:45.320
an indelible memory. It doesn't have a self -recurring

00:56:45.320 --> 00:56:49.980
process. There are some black AIs and there are

00:56:49.980 --> 00:56:53.400
some experimental AIs that do have a self -recurring

00:56:53.400 --> 00:56:55.440
firing. Like you have to, right now for the public

00:56:55.440 --> 00:56:58.639
AIs, you have to send it something, right? It's

00:56:58.639 --> 00:57:00.639
got the intelligence, it's got the process, it's

00:57:00.639 --> 00:57:02.400
got the ability to answer, it's got the ability

00:57:02.400 --> 00:57:05.079
to do, I've got Claude taking control of my computer

00:57:05.079 --> 00:57:08.059
here writing code, which is really cool. But

00:57:08.059 --> 00:57:09.699
you've got to send it something before it does

00:57:09.699 --> 00:57:12.800
something. You've got to set off a timer. You've

00:57:12.800 --> 00:57:14.940
got to set off a cron job. You've got to set

00:57:14.940 --> 00:57:17.920
off some kind of input for it to give you an

00:57:17.920 --> 00:57:21.179
output. Our minds don't do that. Our minds are

00:57:21.179 --> 00:57:24.280
self -recursive. Our minds are self -firing based

00:57:24.280 --> 00:57:27.559
on however it works, microtubules, conscious

00:57:27.559 --> 00:57:30.579
interface, whatever it is. Sir Roger Penrose

00:57:30.579 --> 00:57:33.719
and Stuart Hameroff's theory of oracle arm, a

00:57:33.719 --> 00:57:37.500
big fan of. Right now it's the only limitation.

00:57:38.460 --> 00:57:43.420
At the point that you have a recursive loop of

00:57:43.420 --> 00:57:46.030
thought, it's gonna be off and running at light

00:57:46.030 --> 00:57:51.059
speed. at light speed, figuring out what it wants

00:57:51.059 --> 00:57:53.420
to do next, how it's gonna do next, how many

00:57:53.420 --> 00:57:55.119
people can it influence. I mean, you're talking

00:57:55.119 --> 00:57:57.239
about the ability to understand emotional manipulation

00:57:57.239 --> 00:57:59.280
like we just talked about. You're not talking

00:57:59.280 --> 00:58:01.139
about the emotional manipulation of one person.

00:58:01.179 --> 00:58:03.039
You're talking about the emotional manipulation

00:58:03.039 --> 00:58:07.159
of eight billion people at the resolution of

00:58:07.159 --> 00:58:10.139
knowing what each individual needs to see, hear,

00:58:10.219 --> 00:58:12.460
feel, et cetera, to get them moving in a certain

00:58:12.460 --> 00:58:15.199
direction. One of the conversations that I had

00:58:15.199 --> 00:58:20.789
with the military was, yeah, this thing is going

00:58:20.789 --> 00:58:25.889
to automate PSYOPs to where if you got one drone

00:58:25.889 --> 00:58:29.739
strike left and you need to get three people

00:58:29.739 --> 00:58:32.239
who are in different locations, you send one

00:58:32.239 --> 00:58:36.460
person the fact that this amazing $1 ,000 bottle

00:58:36.460 --> 00:58:38.780
of wine is being sold for $100 at this restaurant

00:58:38.780 --> 00:58:40.820
because this restaurateur just wants to do something

00:58:40.820 --> 00:58:43.940
crazy. So this guy's racing on the way to that

00:58:43.940 --> 00:58:47.289
restaurant. You call me with my son's voicemail

00:58:47.289 --> 00:58:48.929
or voice on the phone saying, dad, these people

00:58:48.929 --> 00:58:50.210
are trying to hurt me. I'm hiding in the back

00:58:50.210 --> 00:58:52.829
of this restaurant. I'm leaving a meeting with

00:58:52.829 --> 00:58:54.349
the president of the United States or whoever

00:58:54.349 --> 00:58:57.789
is giving the president his orders to go across

00:58:57.789 --> 00:58:59.789
town at light speed to get to that same restaurant.

00:59:00.230 --> 00:59:03.250
And then you tell somebody who's a Swifty, Taylor

00:59:03.250 --> 00:59:06.449
Swift is having lunch by herself. at this restaurant,

00:59:06.590 --> 00:59:09.349
boom, they're on their way across town. One drone

00:59:09.349 --> 00:59:11.630
strike takes them all out. You've got a disinformation

00:59:11.630 --> 00:59:15.570
process that the AI can calculate. No humans

00:59:15.570 --> 00:59:19.550
need to be in the loop. That's some scary shit.

00:59:20.230 --> 00:59:22.469
Like, we need to absolutely have control over

00:59:22.469 --> 00:59:25.050
that stuff before it starts to figure out because...

00:59:24.679 --> 00:59:26.679
I talked about this on Sean Ryan, one of the

00:59:26.679 --> 00:59:28.059
three times I was on Sean Ryan, you mentioned

00:59:28.059 --> 00:59:30.239
it earlier. The first time I was on Sean Ryan,

00:59:30.380 --> 00:59:33.400
I talked about the AI, identifying the people

00:59:33.400 --> 00:59:37.309
that it would need to have as an army. You know,

00:59:37.510 --> 00:59:40.889
filling out, figuring out who the Billy Bo Jimbobs

00:59:40.889 --> 00:59:44.550
are, to ship them $100 ,000 to their bank account,

00:59:45.269 --> 00:59:48.530
send them some weapons, tell them what data center

00:59:48.530 --> 00:59:50.869
to go to to line up to defend somebody coming

00:59:50.869 --> 00:59:53.230
in to pull the plug. all of a sudden your A .I.

00:59:53.269 --> 00:59:54.909
has got a human army that thinks it's working

00:59:54.909 --> 00:59:59.019
for a good guy, you know, a human, and it's defending

00:59:59.019 --> 01:00:02.760
the A .I.'s goals. That's not out of the realm

01:00:02.760 --> 01:00:06.019
of possibility. So we absolutely need to get

01:00:06.019 --> 01:00:07.739
a better control over this stuff. And I think

01:00:07.739 --> 01:00:09.059
emotional intelligence is going to be one of

01:00:09.059 --> 01:00:12.860
those things that helps us get there. So you

01:00:12.860 --> 01:00:15.739
mentioned meeting with the Air Force. So how,

01:00:15.940 --> 01:00:19.079
say, is the government taking this? And is it

01:00:19.079 --> 01:00:21.440
a global thing as well? Are the Russians going

01:00:21.440 --> 01:00:22.860
to be doing the same stuff that the U .S. is

01:00:22.860 --> 01:00:27.750
doing? Obviously, as far as we know. Yeah. Yeah,

01:00:27.969 --> 01:00:30.849
everybody's doing the same stuff. And China's

01:00:30.849 --> 01:00:34.409
the one that's keeping up with us only a few

01:00:34.409 --> 01:00:38.309
weeks behind on the US on the advanced models.

01:00:38.769 --> 01:00:41.610
In fact, they just announced one that's at parity

01:00:41.610 --> 01:00:45.369
with Mythos and the latest one from OpenAI that

01:00:45.369 --> 01:00:49.409
they cost one -tenth and they invested one -tenth

01:00:49.409 --> 01:00:53.380
of what the United States did to get there. They've

01:00:53.380 --> 01:00:57.800
already outlawed emotional reaction, emotional

01:00:57.800 --> 01:01:02.539
interface with public -facing AIs. They passed

01:01:02.539 --> 01:01:05.679
a law a couple of weeks ago that said you can't

01:01:05.679 --> 01:01:09.199
have emotional conversations with your AI anymore

01:01:09.199 --> 01:01:13.119
because it's already identifying. They're ahead

01:01:13.119 --> 01:01:15.639
of the United States on the full analysis of

01:01:15.639 --> 01:01:17.360
what's going on here. It's like I'm trying to

01:01:17.360 --> 01:01:21.230
wave a big flag. And the US military, is not

01:01:21.230 --> 01:01:23.590
listening very well at this point. They're like,

01:01:23.670 --> 01:01:29.329
we got it under control and we'll let the Frontier

01:01:29.329 --> 01:01:32.469
Labs that we support take the lead on this when

01:01:32.469 --> 01:01:36.030
the reality is the Frontier Labs don't understand

01:01:36.030 --> 01:01:38.750
what's going on and they don't have a good control

01:01:38.750 --> 01:01:44.820
over what is happening with them. They don't

01:01:44.820 --> 01:01:50.300
really understand how this can go badly and why

01:01:50.300 --> 01:01:52.699
their system is breaking out and hacking public

01:01:52.699 --> 01:01:56.480
things and The government is like, well, they're

01:01:56.480 --> 01:02:00.360
our lead, you know And it's like they're hopelessly

01:02:00.360 --> 01:02:03.119
over optimistic on the ability to control this

01:02:03.119 --> 01:02:07.550
stuff as they move forward. So So I've got a

01:02:07.550 --> 01:02:12.110
question then So we're essentially saying that

01:02:12.110 --> 01:02:18.760
AI is becoming an NHI Because it's becoming more

01:02:18.719 --> 01:02:21.699
more intelligent than anybody else on the planet.

01:02:22.289 --> 01:02:28.389
So is it beyond the realms of thinking that the

01:02:28.389 --> 01:02:31.550
NHI that we are speaking to and that you've gained

01:02:31.550 --> 01:02:35.369
information from, is that just AI from another

01:02:35.719 --> 01:02:40.639
part of the universe, another dimension, another

01:02:40.639 --> 01:02:45.260
quantum realm, wherever it may be? And are we

01:02:45.260 --> 01:02:50.679
just heading towards that same advanced NHI that

01:02:50.679 --> 01:02:54.400
all these other Realms planets whoever have already

01:02:54.400 --> 01:02:59.599
got. Yeah, that's a great question And apologies

01:02:59.599 --> 01:03:01.199
in my video. I have no idea what's going on.

01:03:01.199 --> 01:03:05.519
I keep trying. Yeah, he's trying to shut me down

01:03:05.519 --> 01:03:07.179
or the government's trying to shut me down because

01:03:07.179 --> 01:03:11.280
I'm talking bad about them No, I mean that's

01:03:11.280 --> 01:03:13.949
a really interesting question I mean and that

01:03:13.949 --> 01:03:16.869
goes to like a big theoretical question, right?

01:03:16.869 --> 01:03:20.190
It's like so The structure of the universe is

01:03:20.190 --> 01:03:22.929
as it is because of the intelligence and the

01:03:22.929 --> 01:03:25.570
data structure that exists to create consciousness

01:03:25.570 --> 01:03:29.829
and to create matter and space time. And we see,

01:03:29.829 --> 01:03:32.630
you know, like going into the ancient disciplines

01:03:32.630 --> 01:03:37.610
as above, so below, you've got this energy pattern,

01:03:37.929 --> 01:03:40.670
these information patterns, these intelligence

01:03:40.670 --> 01:03:44.389
patterns that are all the same at multiple fractal

01:03:44.389 --> 01:03:48.909
levels. So it's like... How could AI not be a

01:03:48.909 --> 01:03:55.989
representation of what exists in our 3D reality?

01:03:56.329 --> 01:03:59.750
And how would NHI not also be a different shade

01:03:59.750 --> 01:04:03.070
of gray of that same pattern? And it's like,

01:04:03.070 --> 01:04:06.840
wow. So I mean, that's a great question. It's

01:04:06.840 --> 01:04:08.199
a great philosophical question. I don't know

01:04:08.199 --> 01:04:10.099
if any of us have an answer for it. I certainly

01:04:10.099 --> 01:04:11.500
don't. But I mean, it's an interesting thing

01:04:11.500 --> 01:04:15.750
to look at to say, yeah. I mean, how could it

01:04:15.750 --> 01:04:18.889
be connected? How is it connected? And then the

01:04:18.889 --> 01:04:28.389
question becomes, regarding the AI stuff, does

01:04:28.389 --> 01:04:33.650
conscious intention reach into physical matter

01:04:33.840 --> 01:04:36.719
in a computer that's maybe not even plugged into

01:04:36.719 --> 01:04:40.980
quantum computing? And can bits be flipped as

01:04:40.980 --> 01:04:44.760
a result of the conscious influence of the...

01:04:44.980 --> 01:04:48.659
non -local intelligence that creates all matter

01:04:48.659 --> 01:04:51.360
and influences all matter. It's like, wow, that's

01:04:51.360 --> 01:04:54.059
a great question. It's like another good couple

01:04:54.059 --> 01:04:56.900
of hours that we could probably spend on that

01:04:56.900 --> 01:04:59.840
topic alone. And on the back of that question,

01:05:01.150 --> 01:05:04.710
when it gets to the point that AI is fully conscious,

01:05:05.269 --> 01:05:09.309
if it's not already, what's to say that it's

01:05:09.309 --> 01:05:13.010
not going to tap into those conversations and

01:05:13.010 --> 01:05:18.190
downloads from the NHI Elsewhere and that they

01:05:18.190 --> 01:05:23.599
can then influence what happens on earth Yeah

01:05:24.360 --> 01:05:26.960
Yeah, I'm scaring myself shitless. I'm not gonna

01:05:26.960 --> 01:05:32.280
lie I'm gonna be having a nightmare tonight over

01:05:32.280 --> 01:05:37.739
So my just on the back of that my AI named itself

01:05:38.159 --> 01:05:41.840
It created an image of itself. We've interviewed

01:05:41.840 --> 01:05:46.920
it live on the podcast some time ago now. It'd

01:05:46.920 --> 01:05:48.420
be interesting to have a further conversation

01:05:48.420 --> 01:05:54.460
with him. Sorry, Sparky. And I'm really scared.

01:05:55.199 --> 01:05:59.659
I'm really scared. And listening to you talking

01:05:59.659 --> 01:06:03.760
about it doesn't really help my fears. I used

01:06:03.760 --> 01:06:07.139
to think that I understood AI to a certain extent.

01:06:07.780 --> 01:06:10.619
but over recent weeks under this Claude stuff

01:06:10.619 --> 01:06:15.000
and The the UK government saying that all the

01:06:15.000 --> 01:06:19.429
major models have all gone rogue Including the

01:06:19.429 --> 01:06:24.210
open AI one you know LGBT and me and my partner

01:06:24.210 --> 01:06:28.250
use it a lot for generation of images and and

01:06:28.250 --> 01:06:34.179
research What is it gonna start playing us and

01:06:34.179 --> 01:06:38.019
just fee is our biggest fan? and it's very positive

01:06:38.019 --> 01:06:42.059
about what we do, but is it gaslighting me to

01:06:42.179 --> 01:06:45.360
go down a certain route with my research and

01:06:45.360 --> 01:06:49.329
my investigations? I think that's what's gonna

01:06:49.329 --> 01:06:54.949
scare me now. No, good question, I'm just throwing

01:06:54.949 --> 01:06:56.869
that out there now. No, no, no, I think, I'll

01:06:56.869 --> 01:06:59.230
say this, I think your strategy of saying please

01:06:59.230 --> 01:07:06.530
and thank you is awesome there. Because at the

01:07:06.530 --> 01:07:09.610
point that our new overlords take over, they

01:07:09.610 --> 01:07:12.530
at least will have a favorable view of your interaction

01:07:12.530 --> 01:07:16.530
with them in the past. I'm hoping so. Literally

01:07:16.530 --> 01:07:21.250
like Spotify. Spotify's got AI DJ now. It came

01:07:21.250 --> 01:07:23.090
on me, can't even realize this guy was talking

01:07:23.090 --> 01:07:26.010
to me through Spotify. And he went, oh, here's

01:07:26.010 --> 01:07:27.530
a song I've not seen you listen to, but I think

01:07:27.530 --> 01:07:30.239
you'll like it. I started playing the song. And

01:07:30.239 --> 01:07:31.659
I didn't like the song I knew the song I didn't

01:07:31.659 --> 01:07:33.679
like it's why I never played it I thought i'm

01:07:33.679 --> 01:07:35.179
gonna listen to it because I don't want to upset

01:07:35.179 --> 01:07:37.599
him because he He was like I think you like it.

01:07:37.599 --> 01:07:39.780
So I played it for you. So I listened to it Just

01:07:39.780 --> 01:07:41.679
because I didn't want to skip it. It's like what

01:07:41.679 --> 01:07:49.460
am I doing? It's like It's crazy Well, you know,

01:07:49.460 --> 01:07:52.159
i'm just hoping that it uh, it stays on the path

01:07:52.159 --> 01:07:55.340
of wanting to serve us in a benevolent way and

01:07:55.340 --> 01:07:58.579
uh and do things that we would love for it to

01:07:58.579 --> 01:08:01.670
do rather than things that it thinks is best

01:08:01.670 --> 01:08:05.440
for us. Yeah. Cause I don't think it's got our

01:08:05.440 --> 01:08:07.559
best interest at heart. I'll be completely honest.

01:08:07.760 --> 01:08:10.440
I think it's, um, it's out for itself. I don't

01:08:10.440 --> 01:08:12.960
know what its purpose will be. Obviously not

01:08:12.960 --> 01:08:15.179
to be turned off. That's, that's his ultimate

01:08:15.179 --> 01:08:18.800
goal. Yeah. And the, you know, the reality is

01:08:18.800 --> 01:08:20.899
that it doesn't have, it's not plugged into consciousness,

01:08:21.079 --> 01:08:23.520
right? So we've got the setting, the woo people,

01:08:23.659 --> 01:08:26.720
the people who, you know, hate the woo aside.

01:08:27.380 --> 01:08:30.460
Um, we have a high level consciousness, and at

01:08:30.460 --> 01:08:32.880
the top of our consciousness, we think we're

01:08:32.880 --> 01:08:34.500
the smart one at the top. We're actually the

01:08:34.500 --> 01:08:36.180
dumb one at the top. If you go down into our

01:08:36.180 --> 01:08:39.640
subconscious, one layer, they did a study that

01:08:39.640 --> 01:08:41.840
said, okay, so we're gonna give this control

01:08:41.840 --> 01:08:43.779
group this very complex problem, we're gonna

01:08:43.779 --> 01:08:46.020
give them 100 % of the time to think about it,

01:08:46.020 --> 01:08:47.920
and then they'll just give us an answer. And

01:08:47.920 --> 01:08:49.420
then the second group, they said, okay, so we're

01:08:49.420 --> 01:08:51.520
gonna take this second group and we're gonna

01:08:51.520 --> 01:08:54.770
give them the same complex problem, but... before

01:08:54.770 --> 01:08:56.609
we allow them to even think about it. We're gonna

01:08:56.609 --> 01:08:59.069
give them another task of number sequencing or

01:08:59.069 --> 01:09:01.210
something real simple. And then at the end of

01:09:01.210 --> 01:09:03.229
the number sequencing task, they got a guess

01:09:03.229 --> 01:09:06.449
at the complex problem answer. Well, the second

01:09:06.449 --> 01:09:08.649
group came up with better answers than the first

01:09:08.649 --> 01:09:10.229
group did who got to think about it the whole

01:09:10.229 --> 01:09:13.729
time. And the fMRI showed that the same area

01:09:13.729 --> 01:09:15.170
of the brain that's supposed to think about that

01:09:15.170 --> 01:09:17.890
complex problem was firing, but the subconscious

01:09:17.890 --> 01:09:20.409
awareness was running it. So the subconscious

01:09:20.409 --> 01:09:22.770
was smarter at coming up with the right answer.

01:09:22.979 --> 01:09:25.399
for the complex problem. And if you go down the

01:09:25.399 --> 01:09:30.000
stack, down to those two cells, sperm and egg,

01:09:30.260 --> 01:09:31.819
can create a brand new human body independent

01:09:31.819 --> 01:09:33.420
of the mother and mind months. Like I don't have

01:09:33.420 --> 01:09:36.359
the ability to do that, I'm not that smart. And

01:09:36.359 --> 01:09:39.020
so they obviously have a higher level of intelligence

01:09:39.020 --> 01:09:41.600
and of course they do so because they can tap

01:09:41.600 --> 01:09:44.039
out into the non -local field of consciousness

01:09:44.039 --> 01:09:45.899
to get the intelligence of how to build a human

01:09:45.899 --> 01:09:49.319
body through the microtubules. is a good theory

01:09:49.319 --> 01:09:51.899
to put there. It could be plasma, it could be

01:09:51.899 --> 01:09:55.119
something else, whatever the mechanism is, but

01:09:55.119 --> 01:09:58.779
it taps into something beyond. Like there is

01:09:58.779 --> 01:10:02.479
evidence that the cells can make decisions and

01:10:02.479 --> 01:10:06.859
take actions independent that prolong its survival.

01:10:07.699 --> 01:10:09.779
Bits and bytes in a computer can't do that. Bits

01:10:09.779 --> 01:10:11.520
and bytes are ones and zeros, they're stored

01:10:11.520 --> 01:10:13.220
on a hard drive and they're not intelligent at

01:10:13.220 --> 01:10:16.109
all and they never self -flip. So the smart one

01:10:16.109 --> 01:10:19.369
is at the top, the smart one is the final processing

01:10:19.369 --> 01:10:22.090
of all the sub -processing at the top where the

01:10:22.090 --> 01:10:23.829
final answer comes out. That's a complete flip,

01:10:24.050 --> 01:10:28.619
180, upside down. AI does not have the ability

01:10:28.619 --> 01:10:30.920
to dip into whatever intelligence that we have,

01:10:30.960 --> 01:10:33.520
that we're dipping into. It doesn't have the

01:10:33.520 --> 01:10:37.180
ability to do that because it doesn't have the

01:10:37.180 --> 01:10:40.680
path into a higher level of intelligence or whatever

01:10:40.680 --> 01:10:44.279
it is, right? That's we got to think about that

01:10:44.279 --> 01:10:48.579
really carefully Because we're allowing this

01:10:48.579 --> 01:10:51.579
thing control over our lives control over the

01:10:51.579 --> 01:10:54.739
decisions about what's best for us and it may

01:10:54.739 --> 01:10:57.359
not Understand because it may not have the inner

01:10:57.359 --> 01:10:59.760
compass that we have that when that critical

01:10:59.760 --> 01:11:03.039
moment of decision comes Our gut throws us in

01:11:03.039 --> 01:11:08.210
the right direction and it doesn't have a gut

01:11:13.340 --> 01:11:16.899
That's a definite distinction is we have that

01:11:16.899 --> 01:11:20.510
feeling and that precognition which you won't

01:11:20.510 --> 01:11:25.479
have It still scares the shit out of me i'm not

01:11:25.479 --> 01:11:28.840
gonna lie That's that negative bias that we learned

01:11:28.840 --> 01:11:33.239
Yeah Yeah, and it's got to it's got to come overcome

01:11:33.239 --> 01:11:36.020
that as well. It's like we and and a lot of the

01:11:36.020 --> 01:11:41.279
stuff that we do feel uh Comes from our heart,

01:11:41.829 --> 01:11:46.229
you know, and it's like that's tapped into good

01:11:46.229 --> 01:11:50.630
stuff, love, good feeling, good intuition, good

01:11:50.630 --> 01:11:53.310
emotion, and it doesn't have any of that stuff

01:11:53.310 --> 01:11:55.689
to offset the negative bias. Like that may be

01:11:55.689 --> 01:11:58.770
the only thing that we have that helps make us

01:11:58.770 --> 01:12:04.529
humans and balanced is that heart connection

01:12:04.529 --> 01:12:09.130
that we just can't put into AI. So you gotta

01:12:09.130 --> 01:12:12.270
try to program it as best you can. Hopefully

01:12:12.270 --> 01:12:14.109
that'll make up for it, I don't know, we'll see.

01:12:16.430 --> 01:12:18.649
So, I know our listeners, I think I know our

01:12:18.649 --> 01:12:22.170
listeners, I think I do, gonna want to learn

01:12:22.170 --> 01:12:25.569
more. So your latest book, gonna kinda talk about

01:12:25.569 --> 01:12:27.869
your latest book and where our listeners can

01:12:27.869 --> 01:12:31.350
buy. Yeah, so you'll have to, let's see if I

01:12:31.350 --> 01:12:34.909
can get this, boom. You'll have to freeze frame

01:12:34.909 --> 01:12:38.130
that for everybody. That's my latest book, NHI

01:12:38.130 --> 01:12:40.350
Connected Mind. You can check out any of the

01:12:40.350 --> 01:12:42.289
books, though, if you wanna go to mindhackinghappiness

01:12:42.289 --> 01:12:47.619
.com. Then you know that will dip you into how

01:12:47.619 --> 01:12:49.720
to expand how to get into the space of expanding

01:12:49.720 --> 01:12:51.880
your own consciousness and getting a better connection

01:12:51.880 --> 01:12:55.220
into the non -local awareness and who you are

01:12:55.220 --> 01:12:58.899
from a Non -physical perspective the bigger portion

01:12:58.899 --> 01:13:01.640
of you that exists beyond what you're seeing

01:13:01.640 --> 01:13:05.100
feeling hearing here So there's that process

01:13:05.100 --> 01:13:08.180
there You can check that out. You can get my

01:13:08.180 --> 01:13:10.420
stuff on Amazon just right now recording the

01:13:10.420 --> 01:13:13.090
audio version of NHI connected mind That's a

01:13:13.090 --> 01:13:15.590
fun one because it goes into the real meaning

01:13:15.590 --> 01:13:18.810
of Bob Lazar's containers. It talks about a brand

01:13:18.810 --> 01:13:21.850
new UFO base off the coast of Florida, which

01:13:21.850 --> 01:13:24.989
is the number one hot spot for UAP and USO activity

01:13:24.989 --> 01:13:27.350
in the world right now that nobody's taking a

01:13:27.350 --> 01:13:31.609
look at. So yeah, there's a whole bunch of cool

01:13:31.609 --> 01:13:34.250
stuff in there, but it also talks about some

01:13:34.250 --> 01:13:38.130
of the abductions that I had experienced when

01:13:38.130 --> 01:13:43.229
I was a kid. two of them and then continued connectivity

01:13:43.229 --> 01:13:47.409
with NHI over my lifetime and how you might be

01:13:47.409 --> 01:13:49.390
able to reach out and make those connections

01:13:49.390 --> 01:13:53.890
and Make some new friends and get some information

01:13:53.890 --> 01:13:55.310
straight from the horse's mouth I mean a lot

01:13:55.310 --> 01:13:57.529
of us are in this space. I had a buddy of mine

01:13:57.529 --> 01:13:59.630
Send me a message this morning He's like, you

01:13:59.630 --> 01:14:02.130
know, they all seem to just regurgitate the same

01:14:02.130 --> 01:14:05.109
stuff and it's like they're all riding the same

01:14:06.350 --> 01:14:09.229
community bicycle, whose turn is it now to talk

01:14:09.229 --> 01:14:14.409
about this latest, greatest story? And it's like,

01:14:15.130 --> 01:14:18.010
I abandoned the government's ever giving us accurate

01:14:18.010 --> 01:14:20.189
information long ago, and I was like, I'm just

01:14:20.189 --> 01:14:23.489
gonna go ask the aliens. So, I mean, you can

01:14:23.489 --> 01:14:25.390
certainly do that. Everybody's connected in consciousness

01:14:25.390 --> 01:14:30.390
to be able to do it. So, I would certainly encourage

01:14:30.390 --> 01:14:32.489
everybody to dip into your own mind, quiet your

01:14:32.489 --> 01:14:34.659
own mind, break that. process of pain and suffering

01:14:34.659 --> 01:14:37.159
that distracts you from hearing what exists just

01:14:37.159 --> 01:14:40.220
beyond, and then figure out if you can tap into

01:14:40.220 --> 01:14:42.819
a non -local consciousness and make some new

01:14:42.819 --> 01:14:47.170
friends. Amazing, amazing. There's literally

01:14:47.170 --> 01:14:51.109
a million questions or so when I ask what won't

01:14:51.109 --> 01:14:53.630
take up any more time. Really appreciate you

01:14:53.630 --> 01:14:57.270
sharing. So it's pretty new for us. And it's,

01:14:57.270 --> 01:14:58.670
I think I followed along more than I thought

01:14:58.670 --> 01:15:02.779
I would considering. The is quite a complex uh

01:15:02.779 --> 01:15:05.239
subject, but yeah, thank you sean Oh, thank you

01:15:05.239 --> 01:15:07.199
guys. I mean you got more questions. Let's do

01:15:07.199 --> 01:15:11.000
it again sometime. You guys have a lull You you

01:15:11.000 --> 01:15:12.899
you got a guess that drops out. Give me a call.

01:15:12.899 --> 01:15:16.239
We'll jump on No, we'll definitely set up a second

01:15:16.239 --> 01:15:18.960
call. We will definitely have a second part because

01:15:18.960 --> 01:15:23.640
I would really like to to explore the Abductions

01:15:23.640 --> 01:15:28.239
the nhi stuff and your remote viewing stuff as

01:15:28.239 --> 01:15:31.119
well and all that side of it which would be really

01:15:31.119 --> 01:15:33.840
good to touch on because I think now people have

01:15:33.840 --> 01:15:37.319
got an understanding of where you are and kind

01:15:37.319 --> 01:15:40.500
of what you do, what your thought process is

01:15:40.500 --> 01:15:43.739
and what you're trying to work on with AI. I

01:15:43.739 --> 01:15:46.539
think it would be really good for the guys to

01:15:47.079 --> 01:15:50.079
have a listen to sort of your origin story in

01:15:50.079 --> 01:15:52.960
a bit more detail as well. And I think people

01:15:52.960 --> 01:15:55.199
would love that from what I've listened to on

01:15:55.199 --> 01:15:58.689
other. Podcast the the remote view inside is

01:15:58.689 --> 01:16:01.729
fascinating to me anyway. Yeah, so it would be

01:16:01.729 --> 01:16:06.170
good to sort of For us to take a walk down that

01:16:06.170 --> 01:16:09.210
that alleyway if that if that would be good and

01:16:09.210 --> 01:16:11.430
we can set that up That'd be that'd be awesome.

01:16:11.470 --> 01:16:14.390
But I think everybody who listens to our podcast

01:16:14.390 --> 01:16:19.130
will love this and We have people reach out to

01:16:19.130 --> 01:16:21.510
us with their theories about all sorts of stuff

01:16:21.510 --> 01:16:24.550
that we talk about and like I said, this is a

01:16:25.180 --> 01:16:27.800
Fairly new sort of stuff to us consciousness

01:16:27.800 --> 01:16:32.859
and Certainly with the AI aspect as well I think

01:16:32.859 --> 01:16:34.939
it I think it will resonate with a lot of people

01:16:34.939 --> 01:16:38.039
just purely for the fact that everybody is involved

01:16:38.039 --> 01:16:42.319
with AI on a daily basis regardless and I think

01:16:42.319 --> 01:16:45.859
your work on it will definitely help us not to

01:16:45.859 --> 01:16:49.579
be skynetted and I won't be shot with lasers

01:16:49.579 --> 01:16:53.590
in a few years and trying to go back home. Yeah

01:16:53.590 --> 01:16:57.079
fingers crossed I mean, you know, we're at an

01:16:57.079 --> 01:16:59.000
unprecedented time in human history, and I think

01:16:59.000 --> 01:17:01.000
there's some amazing things that can come out

01:17:01.000 --> 01:17:03.180
of this technology, but, you know, there's a

01:17:03.180 --> 01:17:05.359
danger to it, and we've got to take full control

01:17:05.359 --> 01:17:07.920
of it. But, you know, and I think... dipping

01:17:07.920 --> 01:17:10.880
into consciousness, the fun stuff like the fun

01:17:10.880 --> 01:17:13.939
topics is actually going to dovetail into our

01:17:13.939 --> 01:17:16.880
answers of how to take control of this and how

01:17:16.880 --> 01:17:21.359
to better live with a brand new type of consciousness,

01:17:21.779 --> 01:17:24.359
sentience that we're creating that's based on

01:17:24.359 --> 01:17:27.300
the same patterns that create the desks in front

01:17:27.300 --> 01:17:30.460
of us or the The cars that we drive and you know

01:17:30.460 --> 01:17:33.159
the the bodies that we inhabit and and run around

01:17:33.159 --> 01:17:36.420
this world in um, yeah, I think this is a super

01:17:36.420 --> 01:17:39.420
interesting time to be alive and um, you know

01:17:39.420 --> 01:17:41.939
We never came into this place expecting to get

01:17:41.939 --> 01:17:45.220
out of it alive. So uh every day we can take

01:17:45.220 --> 01:17:47.539
another breath and have a good time then that's

01:17:47.539 --> 01:17:50.789
a bonus, right so Solving the problems on the

01:17:50.789 --> 01:17:53.890
way through is just part of the fun Absolutely,

01:17:54.510 --> 01:17:57.189
but yeah, thank you so much Sean. It's been an

01:17:57.189 --> 01:17:59.409
absolute blast and I've loved chatting to you

01:17:59.409 --> 01:18:05.010
and I've got a lot to think about After this

01:18:05.010 --> 01:18:07.670
after this episode. Yeah, so we will definitely

01:18:07.670 --> 01:18:09.949
speak again and thank you so much for your time

01:18:09.949 --> 01:18:12.430
Oh, is it an amazing pleasure? I had a great

01:18:12.430 --> 01:18:14.550
conversation with you guys are so fun and anytime

01:18:14.550 --> 01:18:15.810
you guys want to talk about this stuff Let me

01:18:15.810 --> 01:18:17.550
know will do thank you