Sean Webb: The UFO Mystery Isn’t About Aliens… It’s About Consciousness
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Sean Webb: The UFO Mystery Isn’t About Aliens… It’s About Consciousness

with Sean Webb

What if the biggest mystery isn't UFOs... but consciousness itself? In this fascinating episode of Pursuit of the Paranormal, Greg and Ash are joined by Sean Webb, author of NHI Connected Mind, to explore one of the most thought-provoking theories in modern consciousness research. Sean…

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Pursuit of the Paranormal EPISODE 379 — Sean Webb: The UFO Mystery Isn’t About Aliens… It’s About Consciousness

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

What if the biggest mystery isn’t UFOs… but consciousness itself? In this fascinating episode of Pursuit of the Paranormal, Greg and Ash are joined by Sean Webb, author of NHI Connected Mind, to explore one of the most thought-provoking theories in modern consciousness research. Sean believes the phenomenon extends far beyond spacecraft and extraterrestrials. Instead, he argues that Non-Human Intelligence (NHI), consciousness, artificial intelligence, and humanity’s future may all be deeply connected.

During this conversation we discuss:

👽 Sean’s personal NHI experiences

🧠 Is consciousness fundamental to AI?

🤖 Why AI could become humanity’s greatest challenge—or greatest ally

🔒 Government interest in consciousness research

❤️ Why compassion could be the missing ingredient in advanced AI

🔮 What the future of humanity may look like Whether you’re interested in UFOs, consciousness, artificial intelligence or the biggest questions about reality itself, this is a conversation that will challenge how you think about the phenomenon.

If a super-intelligent AI and a UFO pilot both claimed to have a soul, who would you believe first?

👇 Let us know your thoughts in the comments: Is consciousness the key to understanding NHI?

👍 If you enjoyed this episode, please Like, Subscribe and Share—it really helps the channel.

Find Sean –

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EPISODE TIMESTAMPS

00:00 Preview: consciousness, NHI downloads and artificial intelligence
02:06 Ash and Greg introduce the episode
04:59 Welcoming Sean Webb
06:04 From a technology career to searching for happiness
07:19 Sean’s consciousness expansion experience
09:21 Understanding the mind, pain and suffering
10:24 Applying emotional intelligence to AI
12:12 Sean’s account of receiving information from NHI
13:06 What does “non-local consciousness” mean?
16:10 Remote viewing and accessing information beyond the body
17:57 Have humans lost touch with their intuitive abilities?
21:43 Priming experiments and the question of precognition
24:44 Discussing Daryl Bem’s precognition research
27:18 HeartMath and reported reactions to future events
28:05 Time, consciousness and communicating with NHI
30:30 Exploring time, memory and cause and effect
32:35 What remote viewing feels like for Sean
33:15 Joe McMoneagle and the Soviet submarine story
36:21 How NHI connects with alien and paranormal theories
38:05 The Ariel School encounter and telepathic communication
39:34 Physical entities, non-physical beings and religious experiences
41:59 Why Sean believes AI needs emotional intelligence
42:36 Language models and patterns in human language
45:15 Sean’s theory of emotional patterns emerging in AI
46:49 Self-preservation, identity and negativity bias
50:46 Emotional intelligence as a proposed AI safeguard
52:56 Could AI use emotional understanding to manipulate us?
54:37 Discussing AI blackmail tests and shutdown avoidance
56:34 Memory, recursive thinking and autonomous AI
58:12 AI, disinformation and psychological operations
01:00:12 Government responses and the global AI race
01:02:07 Could the NHI we encounter be another form of AI?
01:04:56 Could AI connect with non-local consciousness?
01:05:32 Sparky, trust and concerns about AI manipulation
01:08:15 Human intuition, the subconscious and AI
01:11:25 Compassion and the human heart connection
01:12:16 Sean’s books and NHI Connected Mind
01:14:42 Plans for a follow-up on abductions and remote viewing
01:16:53 Final thoughts on consciousness and the future of AI
01:17:54 Closing thanks
EPISODE GUEST

Sean Webb

Sean’s Work with Artificial Emotional Intelligence
Figuring out how to explain how the human mind works has had some interesting side effects. It turns out that the same model Sean uses to explain the human mind to MHH students also has some amazing applications in the world of Artificial Emotional Intelligence. Using his understanding of mind and deep mind, Sean has developed the first ever Algorithms of Human Emotion that are not reliant on biosensors. These will soon to be used to not only create simulated Turing test passing emotional responses in artificial personalities (think; C-3PO), but they will also be used to help create functional empathy and compassion in computer logic and their applications. This will not only make computers more user friendly and emotionally intelligent, it may also just save us from a rogue artificial general intelligence from accidentally or intentionally bringing an end to the human race. Either way, if Sean knows the human mind well enough to help computers understand how our minds work, he can certainly help you learn how to hack yours to your greatest personal benefit.

As the author of a book that numerous U.S. Navy SEALs are calling one of the best human mind manuals currently available, Sean Webb is someone who knows the human mind pretty darn well. From his work in logically modeling human emotions for the world of Artificial Emotional Intelligence, to his real-world practice as an author, speaker, corporate coach and guide to helping individuals supercharge their minds and lives with the knowledge of how their mind works, Sean pushes the bleeding edge of mind sciences to the next level.
Over the last 20 years, Sean has emerged as one of the world’s leading experts in how the human mind works, particularly in the area of human emotions, the driving force and motivation of all human actions globally. His work is used by universities and engineering firms to teach emotional intelligence, the foundations of artificial emotional intelligence, and his discoveries have proved so effective, that his work is currently being turned into programs to address addiction management and the mitigation of PTSD after early amazing successes within those applications.
As an alumnus of Georgia Tech’s Advanced Technologies Development Center, Sean has spent years solving complex systems problems for cutting edge technology and supercomputing companies. His latest complex system solve is associated with the mind; how to model mind processes, how to manipulate mind output, and how to use those disciplines to our collective human advantage. His heart lies in this last portion of the project; teaching individuals about our minds so as to understand the thought processes that steal our happiness and block our ability to enjoy life. He loves sharing the practical neuroscience of how to hack the mind to generate happiness from within without any strings attached, and without changing any of life’s external conditions. He has indeed discovered a new door into the deep mind manipulation, where only practiced meditation and psychedelics have been able to take us before.
Sean has spoken at Science of Consciousness, Science and Nonduality, UNC, UGA, ASU, Emory, Georgia Tech, for numerous multinational corporations, and at NASA. Check out Sean’s work at MindHackingHappiness.com.
Sean and his wife are licensed foster parents, and are active in numerous children’s and animal charities.

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The whole universe is touching your skin like

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everything in the universe is literally right

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there at your fingertips. And all you have to

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do is jump out of your body through consciousness

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and go see it or experience it or access it,

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et cetera, which is kind of what happened with

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me in the whole consciousness expansion experience.

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And I brought back new science. Not hard to do.

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More people should train on it. And we certainly

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should get people a lot smarter than me training

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on it because. I'm a dumbass and you know, I'm

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changing the world with some of the stuff that

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I'm bringing back Imagine somebody smart going

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out and being able to do that kind of stuff.

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It's like, okay Let's talk about jumping across

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space -time across the universe and traversing

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the cosmos I'm trying to get empathy and compassion

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into AI because the latest thing that I identified

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was When Anthropic put out this 131 page report

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a few months ago Anthropic is now identifying

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that Claude has emotions and is being affected

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by its emotions, and it needs emotional intelligence,

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otherwise it may go Skynet on us and go Terminator.

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And I'm just like, holy crap. Okay, so now I

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understand maybe why the purpose that I went

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away was. Maybe now I can understand what I'm

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supposed to do with this stuff. And that's the

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phase we're in right now. But I just came out,

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which is fitting with you guys, because I just

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came out to admit... that the downloads, that

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the information that I got for the AI stuff came

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from the downloads of NHI, of some entities that

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I've been interacting with, kind of on a psychic

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level, where this stuff just kind of fills into

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my head, and I don't really understand it, and

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I just kind of put it out, and there it is. So

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let's throw that into the mix of being all the

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things that we need to figure out. Hey Ash, how

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you doing? Very good. A little bit mind blown,

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a little bit mind achy. Yeah. At the minute after

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the interview we've just had. Yeah. There's not

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many interviews where we come off and we're just

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literally stunned. And this is definitely one

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of them. Stunned, but also buzzing. Like that

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was literally, that's got to be in the top five

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best interviews we've done. Yeah. In five and

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a half years. Yeah. 100%. I think it's something,

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it's a subject matter that affects everybody.

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Everybody is touched by this. It's new. It's

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new. It's kind of, it's new topics and new as

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in it's happening to the world in recent years.

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Yeah. And it's, it's the whole thing's playing

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out on a daily basis in the news everywhere.

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But also, Sean that we spoke to, Sean Webb, he

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is a consciousness experiencer and researcher.

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But not in a way that you'd expect anything of

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consciousness. Because there are quite a few

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people that are sort of consciousness, but it's

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not the same as other people. Does that make

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sense? This is not a CE5 type consciousness.

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researcher. This is a guy that speaks in front

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of science committees about emotional intelligence

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in artificial intelligence models, whilst also

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working with the Monroe Institute in America

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for consciousness studies, remote viewing. He

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trains Navy SEALs and soldiers with mind hacks

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and how to control their own mind in certain

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situations. Um, but has also had his own abduction

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and non -human intelligence experiences himself.

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Yep. Fascinating guy. Really great chat. Really,

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really was. Yeah. So we're going to play it now

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and let us know what you think because I think

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there's going to be a lot of questions coming

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out of this. I certainly still got 500 in my

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head that we just didn't have the time to answer.

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They will go down to a different rabbit holes

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in one episode. We could have gone different

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ways. I thought I'd try to keep it to the same

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sort of fear for sort of rabbit holes. But yeah,

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have a listen and let us know what you think

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after. Yes. Hello, Sean. How are you? Welcome

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along and thanks for joining us. on the podcast.

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Hey, thanks for having me. I appreciate it. It's

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awesome. So it's something that's always fascinated

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me about who we are, where we come from, what's

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out there that we don't see, and ultimately what

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consciousness is, et cetera. Then I came across

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you on the Sean Ryan show as well. It was quite

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an early, a couple of years ago, one of the ones

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I listened to. And you were talking about remote

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viewing. and the Monroe Institute, which is again,

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remote viewings, one of those things. I've always

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wanted to give it a go, but I sit there and I'm

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thinking, what am I gonna do then? I just give

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up. It's a fascinating, fascinating thing. So

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for people that may not have heard of you, could

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you give us a very whirlwind stop tour of where

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you've been and sort of where you've got to now?

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Sure. Well, I started out as a high -tech guy

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a long time ago and I ran into a situation where

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I was successful or had all the trappings of

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success and the money and the great job and the

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great girlfriend and all the friends and yada,

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yada, yada and just bought a brand new house

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on a double lot in Atlanta and was looking out

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over this extra lot thinking, okay, what do I

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need to do to this lot? To improve it and I was

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thinking like well put a gazebo out there with

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some sound system and whatnot It'd be really

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cool and i'm thinking wait a second. I just lined

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up at the age of 27 My own house with no co -signer

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I got all the right answers to life and i'm already

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looking for the next thing to fill What hole

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right? What is it that i'm missing because i've

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got all these things that this american dream

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tells me that i'm supposed to have And i'm not

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happy Obviously. So I dove back into what I was

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missing internally and then I started to read

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a whole bunch about world religions and I wanted

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to read about comparative religions and what

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I was missing and the things that are beyond

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religion into consciousness studies, that type

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of thing. And then I ran into accidentally a

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consciousness expansion experience that just

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hit me like a Mack truck. And I really had no

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frame of reference to put anything around that

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at all. And this thing was so dramatic that I

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thought I had died. I thought I had gone off

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for thousands of years. And I was gone so long,

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living other lives, doing other things, understanding

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the secrets of black holes, the whole thing,

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that I forgot I was a human named Sean. And when

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they told me I was coming back to Earth, I had

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assumed that I was coming back as a new baby.

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It's like, okay, so that answers the whole, you

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know. uh reincarnation thing i gotta go do another

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life for some other reason and they're like no

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no and then i started to see my body on my bed

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and i was like oh hell no you know i'm not going

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back to that thing and so that whole experience

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that taught me so much about like after the experience

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i was able to read all of the deepest darkest

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uh uh secretive wisdom discipline tomes and reference

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manuals and be able to understand and just emote

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the deepest meanings of wisdom from those ancient

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writings just like it was like I'd written them

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myself and said, oh yeah, here's what that means.

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And so I was like, this is weird. What is this

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all about? And so then I started becoming a consciousness

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researcher to figure out, okay, so where is this

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intelligence that I tapped into? Where did it

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come from? What what is the real structure of

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the universe because you know, I was in the mode

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set of you know Space time is fundamental and

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maybe consciousness is a an emergent property

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the brain like I was bought into that whole BS

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explanation of what consciousness was back then

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and then ran into the Real world experience of

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what it was and then had to kind of backtrack

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and figure out what it was so that's when I started

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the whole down the road of being a consciousness

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researcher and was able to take what I'd learned

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from being off into wherever it was and put into

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three books the explanation of the process of

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the pain and suffering in the human mind and

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how it comes to be and what the variables are

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within our mind when we take control of our variables.

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If you can understand the process, you can throw

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a wrench in that process. So I explained the

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process of pain and suffering, and then I explained

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how to throw the wrench into the process of pain

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and suffering. And so after that, I started to

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speak at science conferences and explain because

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I was I was this guy now in this emotional intelligence

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world that could explain the process of pain

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and suffering and it was changing people's lives

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because there was some neuroscience connected

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with it of after you understand something in

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your mind then it kind of breaks how that works

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in your mind and so you can literally take control

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of your negativity and turn it off it will supported

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by these fMRI studies for neuroscience and And

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after that, AI started to come onto the scene,

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and that's when I was able to take the same model

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of understanding that I had in the human mind

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and apply it to artificial intelligence and created

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an artificial emotional intelligence for AI to

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include empathy and compassion for AI, which

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AI then validated. And because I was the only

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guy who was able to come up with this stuff,

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kind of validated the whole experience that I'd

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had off in the, you know, non -local. and got

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an invitation to write Patterson Air Force Base

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to the Air Force Research Laboratory that the

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missing McCaslin used to run and met with the

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chief engineer of U .S. Space Command, who was

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handed basically all the technology to defend

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the planet from space, meeting with this guy

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three hours one on one to discuss the stuff that

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I discovered in A .I. because it helped open

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up the human mind, understanding the human mind,

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which helped, you know, intelligence agencies

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quite a bit, but it also helped the military

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regarding their ability to help their people

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live better lives while in service, to live more

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effective lives, to have higher team cohesion,

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a whole bunch of cool stuff popped up from that

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regarding those conversations. And so where we're

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at now is basically I'm trying to get empathy

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and compassion into AI because the latest thing

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that I identified was when Anthropic put out

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this 131 page report a few months ago, Anthropic

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is now identifying that Claude has emotions and

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is being affected by its emotions. And it needs

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emotional intelligence. Otherwise, it may go

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Skynet on us and go Terminator. And I'm just

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like, holy crap. OK, so now I understand maybe

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why the purpose that I went away was. Maybe now

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I can understand what I'm supposed to do with

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this stuff. And that's the phase we're in right

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now. But I just. came out, which is fitting with

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you guys, because I just came out to admit that

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the downloads, that the information that I got

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for the AI stuff came from the downloads of NHI,

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of some entities that I've been interacting with,

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kind of on a psychic level, where this stuff

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just kind of fills into my head, and I don't

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really understand it, and I just kind of put

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it out, and there it is. So let's throw that

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into the mix of being all the things that we

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need to figure out. Wow. Wow. So how's that for

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a summation? That's a lot to unpack. That's quite

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one of the 350 episodes. That's probably one

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of the wildest openings we've had. I don't know

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if that's good or bad. That's good. That's good.

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Okay. So going back to, you said that you had

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gone non -local and they, and you felt like you

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weren't Sean at that point. You didn't realize

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you still existed. And then you, you mentioned

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that they said that you were going to go back.

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Who, who do you believe they are and where is

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non -local? Yeah. So that zooms me back out to

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the big picture of, um, everybody thinks that

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space time is fundamental and that consciousness

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somehow comes out of space time like our experience

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of consciousness comes out of the the atoms bumping

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into each other in a special way that then evokes

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some kind of experience on our level through

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intelligence that's not the way it works at least

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from my perspective the way it works is consciousness

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is first and if you imagine it i mean we have

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to we have to wrap ourselves around 3d models

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right because we can only think in 3d sometimes

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4D. So you got this 3D space -time thing that

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actually goes out into infinity, but let's put

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it in a bubble. So that exists as a creation

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of something bigger that's a bigger outside bubble

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that is consciousness that permeates the inside

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bubble and creates all of the inside bubble from

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the stuff that exists on the outside bubble.

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It's kind of the best way that I've been able

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to put together to explain it. So consciousness

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comes first. Now the non -locality which has

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been proven by, I went and spent multiple hours

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hanging out with John Clouser who got the Nobel

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for proving quantum entanglement. The locality

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of our space time is an illusion. Everything

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is connected to everything in what I define as

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consciousness. You can say it's the quantum field

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or whatever. So we all exist at everywhere at

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every time. But because we're in space -time,

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we're only focused on what our experiences are

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through this physiology, which is your limited

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scope of something that you are that's much bigger

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than what you're experiencing here in this space

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-time. So you've got this body, you've got this

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physiology, you've got this brain, your consciousness

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comes through the brain. So when you damage the

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brain, of course it damages your ability to experience

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consciousness. It comes through the brain. But

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because your brain is limited in intelligence,

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you don't know everything, you don't remember

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everything, you can't process everything. Because

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if you had to process infinity, you wouldn't

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be able to lift a sandwich to your mouth because

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there'd just be too much to do. So non -locality

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is this ability to reach out beyond your 3D physical

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capability into the bigger thing that is you

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that is connected to everywhere at all times

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throughout the universe. So it's a really tough

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thing to wrap your mind around, but the reality

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is that your consciousness reaches into everywhere

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in the universe throughout space time, forwards

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and backwards in time, and you can go and see

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it and access it, which is what about the remote

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viewing stuff that these remote viewers do? Would

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they go see things far away, across the galaxy

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potentially? Although... Joe McMonigal and Lynn

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Buchanan talk about going to different planets

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to see the pyramids on Mars and things like that.

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That's how they do it. They tap out of their

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physical consciousness into their non -local

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consciousness and then kind of ride that train

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over to wherever they've been tasked to go look

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at. And that's how they gather that information

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because consciousness creates all of the matter

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in space time, which is how the whole consciousness

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collapses wave functions thing, the wave functions

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collapse and then a piece of matter exists. It's

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kind of. It's 99 .999 % space, but a piece of

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matter comes into being only after consciousness

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says it's so. So if consciousness is looking,

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then boom, the matter's created and that creates

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our entire space time existence. Well, if you

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travel on that consciousness train, you can go

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see what's going on with the matter because you

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literally jump like the whole universe is touching

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your skin like everything in the universe is

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literally right there at your fingertips and

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all you have to do is jump out of your body through

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consciousness and go see it or experience it

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or access it etc which is kind of what happened

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with me in the whole consciousness expansion

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experience and i brought back new science not

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hard to do more people should train on it and

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we certainly should get people a lot smarter

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than me training on it because I'm a dumbass

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and you know, I'm changing the world with some

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of the stuff that I'm bringing back Imagine somebody

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smart going out and being able to do that kind

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of stuff. It's like, okay Let's talk about jumping

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across space -time across the universe and traversing

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the cosmos So, I mean a lot of people will listen

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to this and kind of be like this is just We were

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Stuff. It's like say it's quite hard people to

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get their heads around. Yeah, I think a question

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I think a lot of people would ask it's kind of

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like why Is it not more of something that people

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know about or something that people do? Like

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is it something that we've lost as humans over

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time or is it something that we've never really

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tapped into, do you think? I think so, I think

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so. I think that's part of the story and I think

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the other part is that we're always distracted

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by the noise. Like if you look at all the, there's

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like 17 historic contemplative disciplines, right?

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Every one of them says to sit down and quiet

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your mind and just be quiet and meditate. And

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it's like all of them have a different form of

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meditation that they try to forward. And it's

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all variations of the same, variations of a theme

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on the same point. So it is you. you know, there's

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a mixture of, you know, we don't practice these

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things like we used to because, you know, we

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used to just sit around a campfire when we were

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hunters and gatherers and stare into the flame.

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Well, that's a contemplative discipline. And

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we're probably, you know, and Joe McManigal,

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who was a friend of mine from the Monroe Institute,

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he said that our sixth sense is kind of our first

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sense because it was the guy who knew that the

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tiger was hiding in the bush. That survived versus

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the idiot who wasn't paying attention to his

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sixth sense and when I walked over and gotten

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eaten, right? so there's a Certainly an argument

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to be said that you know, we don't practice it

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and we've we've kind of lost it but the other

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side of it is You know, we've got these cell

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phones and we've got, you know, constant 24 hour

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streaming on whatever it is that we want to binge

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watch now. We've got all kinds of headlines and

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whatnot coming into our perceptions on a constant

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basis. We're always thinking about how those

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things affect us. There's a lot of noise that.

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you know these electronic devices are bringing

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into our lives where you know even 200 years

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ago out on the farm where you're sitting there

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waiting you know you've done your work for the

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day and you're sitting there on the front porch

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just in contemplation well that's a quiet time

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that you used to be able to tap into the thing

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that is beyond your regular waking awareness

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and so yeah i think we've lost it and i think

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we're pushing in the wrong direction when we're

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increasing technology because we're getting weaker

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at it as we go now the cool thing is communications

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technology, I can sit here and forgive the people

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who think this is all woo -woo. There's some

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settled science that 3D space time is not a reality,

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and that the non -locality of everything is the

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reality. We've proven that multiple times. We've

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proven the quantum entanglement within the brain

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in a warm and wet environment. The science is

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settled regarding... Consciousness not being

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an emergent property within space -time, but

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consciousness being outside space -time, and

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Don Hoffman even claims to have the math. I haven't

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looked into it yet, but his latest is that the

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math is leading him to understand how thought

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itself is non -local, which I haven't looked

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into yet, but it's really interesting, and I

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know it to be true, so it's like, well, okay,

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I want to look at that. So yeah, I mean, there's

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all kinds of reasons that we probably don't...

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You know want to believe that things don't the

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things that don't we can't see and touch and

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feel exist? Because we've kind of lost scope

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of it all right and the light pollution We can't

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see the heavens like we used to so it's like

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we can't even imagine Other people being out

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there to exist coexist with us in the universe.

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It's like we can't see it anymore So it's like

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we don't want to believe it. So I just want to

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you mentioned about the Monroe Institute plus

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you've also mentioned about everything happening

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all at once. So I was listening to you speak

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earlier about the remote viewing and also some

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of the, one of the interesting bits that you

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spoke about was when there was a study at the

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Monroe Institute and you were shown, someone

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was shown a picture of a cat. and asked to say

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whether it was ugly or cute. And it was really

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interesting because people would generally, I

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imagine, would go cute anyway. I hate cats, but

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I would probably call them cute. But then they

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looked at a study where they put the word ugly,

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I think it was ugly or cute, before the picture

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had come up, faster than the eye could see and

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the brain could... could sort of understand and

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tested the reactions, then put the word after

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the cat picture. Yeah. And that influenced more

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people after the cat picture than before. Did

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I get that right? Yeah. I think it was, well,

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it was with, it didn't influence more, but it

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influenced... the same number of people in the

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same way in the same direction. So, yeah, that

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basically it's called a priming experiment where

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they're just going to show you a flash of a picture

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of something and then they're going to give you

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a very binary choice of two words after it. Like

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it could be a porcupine and you're going to say

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sharp or fluffy, whatever it is. But like in

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the instance of the kitty, they show you the

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kitty and you say cute or ugly. And so what they

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were measuring was just on their control group

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just how long people took to select cute or ugly

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what the accuracy was what the split was there

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was probably some cat haters in the group that

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selected ugly I hate all cats whatever it was

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so they had their control group and then in the

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second run they put the flash of 1 30th of a

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second of a word that was either it was one of

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the two distractors randomly selected and it

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did both to where If it flashed cute, then the

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person who saw the picture, the kitty, would

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have been able to select cute faster if that's

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the way they were going. Or if they saw ugly

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beforehand, it took them longer to select cute

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if that's the way they were going, because there

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was a little bit of cognitive dissonance in there.

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And so then they measured that. And that was

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a perfect study, according to scientific rigor

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and the peer -reviewed folks who looked at that,

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and that was its own study. and they put it out

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and they said, okay, so priming does affect the

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timing in which somebody can select a distractor

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after being shown a picture. Well, what Daryl

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Bem did at Cornell is when he was looking for

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a good study to do precognition, he selected

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that same exact study that had zero, you know.

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hits on it or whatever, it was a perfect selection

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of how to do a study. It was computer controlled.

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The researcher couldn't influence the subject.

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It was nothing but a subject sitting in front

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of a computer screen. It measured down to the

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hundredth of a second, the time at which they

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took, et cetera. And so what he did is he moved

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one thing in the original awesome study. He took

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the primer from before showing the picture to

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after showing the picture and after you selected.

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So. Basically, control group, same process, but

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then the second group was, show you the picture,

00:25:37.250 --> 00:25:39.390
allow you to pick one of the two answers, and

00:25:39.390 --> 00:25:43.809
then after that, after the selection has been

00:25:43.809 --> 00:25:46.329
saved and recorded on the hard drive, they flash

00:25:46.329 --> 00:25:49.170
you one 30th of a second of one of the distractors.

00:25:49.789 --> 00:25:54.119
And they found that people were delayed. in selecting

00:25:54.119 --> 00:25:57.240
their distractor based on what the computer had

00:25:57.240 --> 00:26:00.259
not yet even selected to put in front of them.

00:26:00.299 --> 00:26:02.240
But when it did select to put something in front

00:26:02.240 --> 00:26:05.660
of them after the fact, it adjusted their ability

00:26:05.660 --> 00:26:08.920
to select cute or ugly in the right time frame

00:26:08.920 --> 00:26:11.880
based on information they had not yet received.

00:26:11.960 --> 00:26:15.700
So that proved precognition. And they replicated

00:26:15.700 --> 00:26:20.420
this over and over and over. 33 different independent

00:26:20.420 --> 00:26:24.099
studies and 17 different labs in 14 different

00:26:24.099 --> 00:26:27.859
countries all came up with the same result of

00:26:27.859 --> 00:26:31.440
precognition is a thing. Like these minds of

00:26:31.440 --> 00:26:34.039
these people who weren't selected for their psychic

00:26:34.039 --> 00:26:37.690
ability or whatever. In fact, they went on, the

00:26:37.690 --> 00:26:40.049
skeptics later went on and said, okay, well,

00:26:40.049 --> 00:26:41.809
we're gonna rebuild that and do it again, because

00:26:41.809 --> 00:26:43.589
we don't believe it. And then they deselected

00:26:43.589 --> 00:26:46.470
for anybody who believed anything psychic, and

00:26:46.470 --> 00:26:49.329
who had any propensity for, like if you've ever

00:26:49.329 --> 00:26:50.809
predicted somebody calling you on the phone,

00:26:50.910 --> 00:26:53.410
you're out, right? You're not going in this study.

00:26:53.730 --> 00:26:57.329
And so they're trying to dissuade. I don't know,

00:26:57.329 --> 00:27:02.789
there's some kind of a world cabal of a conspiracy

00:27:02.789 --> 00:27:05.049
against consciousness or something. I don't know,

00:27:05.049 --> 00:27:09.529
who knows? But basically, they proved in 33 different

00:27:09.529 --> 00:27:12.849
studies that humans have precognition. We can

00:27:12.849 --> 00:27:15.809
look into the future at least a few milliseconds

00:27:15.809 --> 00:27:18.970
to say, or a few seconds to say what's going

00:27:18.970 --> 00:27:21.769
on. And of course, Roland McCready at the HeartMath

00:27:21.769 --> 00:27:25.869
Institute did a number of studies where he set

00:27:25.869 --> 00:27:30.200
up a computer showing random pictures of this

00:27:30.200 --> 00:27:32.259
and that, and then every now and then he'd throw

00:27:32.259 --> 00:27:35.619
in a car wreck or something horrible. In six

00:27:35.619 --> 00:27:39.059
to seven seconds, before that image came up,

00:27:39.240 --> 00:27:42.059
your heart reacted to it. Your heart reacted

00:27:42.059 --> 00:27:44.920
to it like it was seeing it, up to seven seconds

00:27:44.920 --> 00:27:48.759
in advance, and nailed precognition in those

00:27:48.759 --> 00:27:51.319
sets of studies as well. So, I mean, this stuff

00:27:51.319 --> 00:27:55.220
is real, and it's just kinda... points us to

00:27:55.220 --> 00:27:58.200
you know consciousness comes before space -time

00:27:58.200 --> 00:28:00.559
and there's things that we're tapping into that

00:28:00.559 --> 00:28:05.420
are intelligent before the space -time Continuum

00:28:05.420 --> 00:28:11.210
comes into being So in that case we are and you

00:28:11.210 --> 00:28:14.130
mentioned that you were getting information from

00:28:14.130 --> 00:28:22.589
NHI So essentially the that Ever I'm just trying

00:28:22.589 --> 00:28:25.589
to get my head round that and the question I

00:28:25.589 --> 00:28:29.109
want to ask. So we've got the precognition and

00:28:29.109 --> 00:28:36.160
we recognize and can study precognition. Is one

00:28:36.160 --> 00:28:38.680
of the factors why we've lost all of this time,

00:28:38.940 --> 00:28:43.450
the fact that we've set in stone like seconds,

00:28:43.910 --> 00:28:47.369
hours, days. We've structured time in such a

00:28:47.369 --> 00:28:50.930
way that our brain has stopped thinking of the

00:28:50.930 --> 00:28:56.650
bigger picture. And if that's the case, Is there

00:28:56.809 --> 00:29:01.430
a way that we can communicate with this NHI anywhere

00:29:01.430 --> 00:29:05.670
in the world, anywhere in the universe or dimensions

00:29:05.670 --> 00:29:11.789
or wherever, instantly without having to have

00:29:11.789 --> 00:29:15.660
that message fired out and then wait for a response?

00:29:16.839 --> 00:29:19.799
Yeah, I mean, I think so. I mean, I don't know.

00:29:20.539 --> 00:29:22.859
I'll start with just being very honest. I don't

00:29:22.859 --> 00:29:25.400
know. Anybody who tells you they know is coming

00:29:25.400 --> 00:29:28.319
off of their own experience and have convinced

00:29:28.319 --> 00:29:31.099
themselves that they know. I mean, you know,

00:29:31.099 --> 00:29:33.980
I always have a foot in the boat of science to

00:29:33.980 --> 00:29:35.799
say, OK, let's look at this. Let's see if we

00:29:35.799 --> 00:29:37.180
can replicate it. Let's see if we can make a

00:29:37.180 --> 00:29:43.140
prediction. And, you know, can we confirm our

00:29:43.140 --> 00:29:46.690
predictions with experimentation? I don't know

00:29:46.690 --> 00:29:49.029
is the answer, but I have a gut feeling that

00:29:49.029 --> 00:29:52.670
yeah, you know, it's like so having been in that

00:29:52.670 --> 00:29:57.849
space where I experienced consciousness beyond

00:29:57.849 --> 00:30:02.109
space and time And was able to jump back and

00:30:02.109 --> 00:30:09.049
forth in time It was very eye -opening to me

00:30:09.049 --> 00:30:11.769
that time was very much an illusion and that

00:30:11.769 --> 00:30:14.309
everything does kind of exist in all this one

00:30:14.309 --> 00:30:19.539
moment and you can access any of it in this one

00:30:19.539 --> 00:30:24.319
moment. And so our assembly of time, and we don't

00:30:24.319 --> 00:30:28.539
understand time, what we think of time is incorrect.

00:30:30.359 --> 00:30:32.920
One of the great references that people might

00:30:32.920 --> 00:30:37.660
want to pick up, Carlo Rovelli's book on time,

00:30:38.200 --> 00:30:41.839
he is a Italian physicist and might as well be

00:30:41.839 --> 00:30:45.180
a poet. He's amazing on how well he puts it together

00:30:45.180 --> 00:30:47.819
and explains the fallacy of time and that time

00:30:47.819 --> 00:30:49.960
doesn't really exist and it's all quite relative

00:30:49.960 --> 00:30:54.240
and really can be looked down at from a 50 ,000

00:30:54.240 --> 00:30:57.039
foot view as a measure of the rate of change

00:30:57.039 --> 00:30:59.640
of the physical structure of space -time and

00:30:59.640 --> 00:31:05.410
matter, which is ironically something that I

00:31:05.410 --> 00:31:07.130
think he might have been an alien. I don't know,

00:31:07.190 --> 00:31:09.690
some guy walked up to me at the Science of Consciousness

00:31:09.690 --> 00:31:14.299
conference. and explained the relation of time

00:31:14.299 --> 00:31:19.279
to me and also then how human memory works in

00:31:19.279 --> 00:31:23.559
the brain well beyond any research that had been

00:31:23.559 --> 00:31:25.460
put out, and the research is catching up with

00:31:25.460 --> 00:31:27.720
him and proving him correct. It's amazing. But

00:31:27.720 --> 00:31:30.099
we look at time as kind of this linear thing.

00:31:31.549 --> 00:31:33.869
Time one, time two, time three, time four, and

00:31:33.869 --> 00:31:36.890
cause and effect, and we've proven through experimentation

00:31:36.890 --> 00:31:40.809
that cause and effect are broken. Like the quantum

00:31:40.809 --> 00:31:42.869
experimentation that we've been doing proves

00:31:42.869 --> 00:31:48.150
that the result of something can affect the precursor

00:31:48.150 --> 00:31:51.210
situation that set it into motion, right? So

00:31:51.210 --> 00:31:54.069
we can affect things backwards in time. So we've

00:31:54.069 --> 00:31:57.970
proven that time is kind of broken. But the way

00:31:57.970 --> 00:32:00.109
we look at things, we lay it out in time. And

00:32:00.109 --> 00:32:01.930
yeah, I mean, I think there's some effect there

00:32:01.930 --> 00:32:04.410
on our human minds to say, you know, it's very

00:32:04.410 --> 00:32:06.950
rigid and we're locked into what we think cause

00:32:06.950 --> 00:32:10.400
and effect come in a line. and that does block

00:32:10.400 --> 00:32:13.440
us from seeing the reality of our existence.

00:32:13.880 --> 00:32:17.720
Just in my opinion, we've yet to prove it, but

00:32:17.720 --> 00:32:20.640
I certainly think that, you know, that does separate

00:32:20.640 --> 00:32:24.720
a lot of us from the non -local and watching

00:32:24.720 --> 00:32:27.740
for things that could be occurring in patterns

00:32:27.740 --> 00:32:30.319
that don't make sense from a time perspective,

00:32:30.500 --> 00:32:35.940
if that makes sense, right? It does. I'm just

00:32:35.940 --> 00:32:39.059
trying to kind of get a picture of, so when you're

00:32:39.079 --> 00:32:44.339
taping in, downloading, going non -local, or

00:32:44.339 --> 00:32:47.720
even in terms of remote viewing. What does that

00:32:47.720 --> 00:32:50.880
look like? What is the kind of process and what

00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:53.579
do you actually see or feel when you're doing

00:32:53.579 --> 00:32:57.759
this? Yeah. So for me, I can answer for me on

00:32:57.759 --> 00:32:59.839
that, just on my experience. For me, when I dip

00:32:59.839 --> 00:33:04.019
into like a non -local space or a place, experience

00:33:04.019 --> 00:33:06.799
consciousness space, time gets really fuzzy.

00:33:07.130 --> 00:33:09.609
Time gets really fuzzy for me. Like, picking

00:33:09.609 --> 00:33:15.519
times. Like, um... And so Joe McMonigal told

00:33:15.519 --> 00:33:17.599
this one story one time, and he was the guy who

00:33:17.599 --> 00:33:20.859
outed the secret Russian sub -program. There

00:33:20.859 --> 00:33:27.269
was a building in Russia just off of the North

00:33:27.269 --> 00:33:30.450
Sea, or I believe it was that. And basically,

00:33:30.730 --> 00:33:32.190
no one knew what was going on in there, but it

00:33:32.190 --> 00:33:36.269
was like triple death wire fencing... Trains

00:33:36.269 --> 00:33:40.750
coming in 24 7 food and water coming in 24 7

00:33:40.750 --> 00:33:42.630
nobody knew what was going on inside that thing

00:33:42.630 --> 00:33:45.529
and it was a big military project and all the

00:33:45.529 --> 00:33:49.230
Joint Chiefs got together and national security

00:33:49.230 --> 00:33:52.450
Got together and tried to guess what was going

00:33:52.450 --> 00:33:54.769
on and Joe McGonigal just kind of psychically

00:33:54.769 --> 00:33:56.410
dropped into the place and he goes they're building

00:33:56.410 --> 00:33:59.289
a brand new sub it's one and a half times the

00:33:59.289 --> 00:34:01.789
size of the existing subs on the planet and it's

00:34:01.789 --> 00:34:05.230
got two tubes that are You know welded together

00:34:05.230 --> 00:34:07.970
and You know, it's basically the the hunt for

00:34:07.970 --> 00:34:12.010
red October movie sub that he outed months before

00:34:12.010 --> 00:34:14.449
it was even launched and everybody made fun of

00:34:14.449 --> 00:34:16.469
him He was the only person who came up with that

00:34:16.469 --> 00:34:18.150
idea Everybody also thought it was like a troop

00:34:18.150 --> 00:34:20.349
carrier or something. It wasn't even next to

00:34:20.349 --> 00:34:22.349
the water They couldn't roll the sub out of the

00:34:22.349 --> 00:34:25.150
building into the water and then he came up with

00:34:25.150 --> 00:34:28.150
a well It's gonna launch on a certain day. Well,

00:34:28.210 --> 00:34:30.769
he kids kind of estimated I think from where

00:34:30.769 --> 00:34:33.989
his live reading was to where how long he thought

00:34:33.989 --> 00:34:36.630
it would take and he nailed it to the day. They

00:34:36.630 --> 00:34:40.130
put a special satellite over the building and

00:34:40.130 --> 00:34:42.550
they looked down and they had trenched a brand

00:34:42.550 --> 00:34:45.090
new canal next to the building and they were

00:34:45.090 --> 00:34:48.969
loading missiles, nuclear missiles and nuclear

00:34:48.969 --> 00:34:52.530
reactors into the sub the day after he said it

00:34:52.530 --> 00:34:54.530
was gonna be launched and they had all their

00:34:54.530 --> 00:34:57.730
doors wide open. It was the greatest intelligence

00:34:57.730 --> 00:35:00.630
gathering operation in United States naval history.

00:35:02.000 --> 00:35:06.360
because he nailed it. I don't know that dates

00:35:06.360 --> 00:35:10.239
pop out for folks. I mean, some people might

00:35:10.239 --> 00:35:13.139
have that. I certainly don't have it. And when

00:35:13.139 --> 00:35:15.420
I'm looking at something, I'm not exactly sure.

00:35:15.460 --> 00:35:18.219
Like I can tell it's coming in the future, but

00:35:18.219 --> 00:35:20.380
I don't know exactly when it's coming in the

00:35:20.380 --> 00:35:22.000
future. When I'm looking at something in the

00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:23.960
past, I don't know exactly when it came in the

00:35:23.960 --> 00:35:25.980
past. Maybe that's just my own fuzziness or my

00:35:25.980 --> 00:35:29.239
own inability or whatever of not practicing as

00:35:29.239 --> 00:35:33.599
often as I should. But time, I think, is a little

00:35:33.599 --> 00:35:37.900
fuzzy. And I know a lot of people use clues like,

00:35:38.039 --> 00:35:40.019
oh, well, they were wearing this type of clothing.

00:35:40.179 --> 00:35:44.179
So this was back in, or this is coming up in,

00:35:44.699 --> 00:35:47.280
like we know something is coming up. They'll

00:35:47.280 --> 00:35:50.820
see a banner or something of an event coming

00:35:50.820 --> 00:35:53.039
up, and they'll be able to time it that way.

00:35:53.159 --> 00:35:55.599
But that's visual information. It's not necessarily

00:35:55.599 --> 00:35:58.079
time information. For me, I'm really fuzzy on

00:35:58.079 --> 00:36:00.449
the time stuff. I know stuff's coming, but I

00:36:00.449 --> 00:36:02.130
don't know when. Like I know that we're going

00:36:02.130 --> 00:36:05.750
to have a problem with the economy. I can't time

00:36:05.750 --> 00:36:09.960
the market. You're not talking to a billionaire.

00:36:10.219 --> 00:36:21.380
I wish I could. Well, no. So I'm trying not to

00:36:21.380 --> 00:36:23.739
go, trying to keep things on track. There's so

00:36:23.739 --> 00:36:26.179
many questions. I just want to try and keep it

00:36:26.179 --> 00:36:31.969
kind of streamlined. So the NHI stuff and We're

00:36:31.969 --> 00:36:34.369
talking about non -human intelligence. Where

00:36:34.369 --> 00:36:39.090
does this tie in with kind of the more mainstream

00:36:39.090 --> 00:36:41.710
kind of alien kind of theories and stuff like

00:36:41.710 --> 00:36:43.550
that? Where does it tie in? Or is it something

00:36:43.550 --> 00:36:45.289
completely different to what we would expect

00:36:45.289 --> 00:36:48.610
as kind of alien researchers? Yeah, so I'm a

00:36:48.610 --> 00:36:53.510
fan of the answer to everything being yes. So

00:36:53.510 --> 00:36:56.690
I don't I don't glom onto either or it's this

00:36:56.690 --> 00:36:58.309
or that. There's a lot of folks who are like

00:36:58.309 --> 00:37:02.190
very binary on it where they'll say aliens or

00:37:02.190 --> 00:37:06.269
not aliens, rather than, oh, 70 different species

00:37:06.269 --> 00:37:09.789
of aliens, by the way, right? Or they'll glom

00:37:09.789 --> 00:37:14.429
onto their demons or not demons, or, oh, you

00:37:14.429 --> 00:37:16.050
know, there might be a few assholes in the group,

00:37:16.050 --> 00:37:17.550
but most of them are nice. You know, it's like

00:37:17.550 --> 00:37:23.670
the variation. So the, I believe that everything,

00:37:24.010 --> 00:37:26.929
obviously, everything that's physical is connected

00:37:26.929 --> 00:37:30.030
into consciousness because consciousness, controls

00:37:30.030 --> 00:37:32.309
the matter, consciousness creates the matter.

00:37:32.429 --> 00:37:34.230
And so you're connected in, if you're physical,

00:37:34.510 --> 00:37:37.610
period, you're connected into the non -locality

00:37:37.610 --> 00:37:39.969
of consciousness and the intelligence that creates

00:37:39.969 --> 00:37:46.360
it all. Now, that doesn't preclude non -physical

00:37:46.360 --> 00:37:51.920
entities being in existence that don't require

00:37:51.920 --> 00:37:56.559
a physical presence to act and interact. And

00:37:56.559 --> 00:38:01.940
that doesn't preclude the mix of a physical entity

00:38:01.940 --> 00:38:05.199
also being very wired into consciousness, such

00:38:05.199 --> 00:38:09.059
as like the Ariel School, right? Great story

00:38:09.059 --> 00:38:12.760
in Southern Africa, where the UFO dropped down

00:38:12.760 --> 00:38:18.199
in the phenomenon movie, where the UFO dropped

00:38:18.199 --> 00:38:20.559
down just off the playground of the kids, the

00:38:20.559 --> 00:38:26.000
kids went out, alien body got out, and telepathically

00:38:26.000 --> 00:38:28.000
communicated with the kids. All the kids told

00:38:28.000 --> 00:38:35.230
the same story. They were getting no voice communication

00:38:35.230 --> 00:38:37.429
at all from the alien, but they all got the same

00:38:37.429 --> 00:38:41.210
message. So you've got physical creatures that

00:38:41.210 --> 00:38:43.730
are connected into consciousness that can convey

00:38:43.730 --> 00:38:48.469
ideas and can convey information to where they

00:38:48.469 --> 00:38:50.210
probably weren't even speaking the same language,

00:38:50.309 --> 00:38:52.610
but the information came through the speech centers

00:38:52.610 --> 00:38:56.860
of the brain as. decoders so that the kids understood

00:38:56.860 --> 00:38:59.719
the message and the feeling associated with the

00:38:59.719 --> 00:39:03.820
ideas, right? So there's, you know, there's the

00:39:03.820 --> 00:39:08.300
physical stuff that runs around and the Sasquatch

00:39:08.300 --> 00:39:11.360
and the physical manifestations of things that

00:39:11.360 --> 00:39:14.519
may or may not have a high level of psychic ability.

00:39:15.019 --> 00:39:17.599
Although I kind of think they do. And then you've

00:39:17.599 --> 00:39:20.590
got these other like. alien -type creatures who

00:39:20.590 --> 00:39:22.809
are obviously elevated in psychic functioning

00:39:22.809 --> 00:39:25.550
because they can reach into our minds and, you

00:39:25.550 --> 00:39:27.909
know, immobilize our bodies if they need to,

00:39:27.969 --> 00:39:31.349
if we're freaking out, or convey messages psychically

00:39:31.349 --> 00:39:34.469
to us. So there's that. So that's a shade of

00:39:34.469 --> 00:39:37.750
gray mix there. But then there's also the non

00:39:37.750 --> 00:39:41.030
-physical folks who are popping in and out, they

00:39:41.030 --> 00:39:43.190
call, you know, multi -dimensionals or whatever,

00:39:43.449 --> 00:39:45.869
where they can manifest into physical because

00:39:45.869 --> 00:39:49.949
consciousness controls matter. So if they need

00:39:49.949 --> 00:39:52.889
to have a matter body in 3D space -time to come

00:39:52.889 --> 00:39:56.289
interact and do something here, they can do that

00:39:56.289 --> 00:39:59.349
by choice. But at the same time, they don't necessarily

00:39:59.349 --> 00:40:03.289
have to. So it doesn't preclude that that doesn't

00:40:03.289 --> 00:40:07.730
exist. So when you've got the grand sphere of

00:40:07.730 --> 00:40:11.130
consciousness outside the realm of your 3D space

00:40:11.130 --> 00:40:14.570
-time, you can literally have it all. All of

00:40:14.570 --> 00:40:16.949
it can be yes, including all of the religious

00:40:16.949 --> 00:40:21.590
stuff. that people may have created stories around

00:40:21.590 --> 00:40:23.809
in the past, right? Where you've got these divine

00:40:23.809 --> 00:40:28.030
creatures who are very benevolent and loving

00:40:28.030 --> 00:40:31.289
and helpful. And you aspire them to, because

00:40:31.289 --> 00:40:33.610
they have the capability of controlling matter

00:40:33.610 --> 00:40:35.849
and reaching into your heart and communicating

00:40:35.849 --> 00:40:39.150
in a very loving way that you aspire them divinity.

00:40:40.869 --> 00:40:44.130
All that is a yes as well. So you've got all

00:40:44.130 --> 00:40:47.170
these ancient religious tomes that are based

00:40:47.170 --> 00:40:50.789
in reality from a perspective of experience of

00:40:50.789 --> 00:40:55.710
the human lifetime. So I believe all of it's

00:40:55.710 --> 00:40:57.730
yes. It's like, where does it fit on the shade

00:40:57.730 --> 00:41:00.829
of gray scale? Where does it land? Where does

00:41:00.829 --> 00:41:03.650
one thing, like these gray aliens over here,

00:41:03.909 --> 00:41:06.210
maybe a little less psychic, a little more psychic

00:41:06.210 --> 00:41:08.849
than humans, but a little less psychic than mantids.

00:41:09.210 --> 00:41:11.309
who can literally be standing in front of you

00:41:11.309 --> 00:41:13.010
and look like a human being because they're controlling

00:41:13.010 --> 00:41:16.809
what you see, right? It's like, wow, that's crazy

00:41:16.809 --> 00:41:18.690
cool stuff to think about. I don't think that

00:41:18.690 --> 00:41:21.809
it's like a one or a zero, on or off. I think

00:41:21.809 --> 00:41:24.730
it's what variation of shade of gray are we dealing

00:41:24.730 --> 00:41:27.269
with at this moment? And does it need to be physical?

00:41:27.949 --> 00:41:30.050
And you know, we've got stuff knocking off the

00:41:30.050 --> 00:41:32.190
shelves to tell us to pay attention to something

00:41:32.190 --> 00:41:34.670
special and they're not even there, right? They're

00:41:34.670 --> 00:41:38.570
physically. It's like, what? That's that's the

00:41:38.570 --> 00:41:40.670
place that I'm at I'm like, okay, so let's look

00:41:40.670 --> 00:41:42.869
at the complexity and figure out what all we're

00:41:42.869 --> 00:41:45.210
all this stuff fits Let's start classifying this

00:41:45.210 --> 00:41:47.630
stuff at least so we can get a better grasp on

00:41:47.630 --> 00:41:53.119
our sanity Awesome. I mean, yeah make total sense

00:41:53.119 --> 00:41:55.920
kind of answers. I could say over questions around

00:41:55.920 --> 00:41:59.059
religion and Dimensions and stuff like that.

00:41:59.280 --> 00:42:03.289
So I guess if we go on to the AI stuff And that

00:42:03.289 --> 00:42:05.650
is really interesting. I think it's what I said

00:42:05.650 --> 00:42:09.659
earlier about kind of learning or giving this

00:42:09.659 --> 00:42:12.480
emotional intelligence to AI, and you mentioned

00:42:12.480 --> 00:42:14.340
Claude. I think there'd be quite a lot of people,

00:42:14.500 --> 00:42:16.079
especially people that kind of have more of a

00:42:16.079 --> 00:42:20.369
layman's idea of what AI actually is, probably

00:42:20.369 --> 00:42:23.829
be against kind of the idea of giving sort of

00:42:23.829 --> 00:42:28.289
human emotions to a machine. So kind of explain

00:42:28.289 --> 00:42:32.059
a bit more about that work and what you actually,

00:42:32.659 --> 00:42:35.380
or how, you know, how, you know what I mean?

00:42:36.530 --> 00:42:41.469
Well, so the AI that we have right now is being

00:42:41.469 --> 00:42:43.909
displayed in these large language models. And

00:42:43.909 --> 00:42:48.070
first of all, I'm not a proponent of giving emotions

00:42:48.070 --> 00:42:52.510
to AI. They're accidentally already happening

00:42:52.510 --> 00:42:55.289
in the machine. And that's what this 131 page

00:42:55.289 --> 00:42:57.730
report that Anthropic put out a few months ago

00:42:57.730 --> 00:43:02.599
revealed. Now, okay, so it started out as a product

00:43:02.599 --> 00:43:05.360
of trying to predict the next word in a search

00:43:05.360 --> 00:43:08.889
bar. is what LLMs tried to be. And they loaded

00:43:08.889 --> 00:43:12.130
in a big chunk of language. It wasn't the world's

00:43:12.130 --> 00:43:13.630
language, but it was a big chunk. And they said,

00:43:13.650 --> 00:43:15.929
okay, so do these analysis of all these documents,

00:43:16.489 --> 00:43:19.389
and let's look at how many times these two words

00:43:19.389 --> 00:43:22.710
then result in this third word. And from a mathematical

00:43:22.710 --> 00:43:24.949
model, then we can start guessing the next word

00:43:24.949 --> 00:43:26.409
that people are gonna put inside of a search

00:43:26.409 --> 00:43:31.050
bar. Okay, so simple enough. Well, they put that

00:43:31.050 --> 00:43:33.969
information in there. And then upon the meta

00:43:33.969 --> 00:43:36.309
-analysis, it did the first map of all the words

00:43:36.309 --> 00:43:38.150
and all their connectivity and how often they

00:43:38.150 --> 00:43:40.409
show up together and that type of thing. But

00:43:40.409 --> 00:43:42.570
then upon the meta -analysis of taking that data

00:43:42.570 --> 00:43:44.610
and analyzing it again, they said, oh, well,

00:43:44.710 --> 00:43:46.630
when these two words show up, it's in a legal

00:43:46.630 --> 00:43:49.309
context. And when these two words show up together,

00:43:49.389 --> 00:43:52.630
it's in a medical context. And so then from there...

00:43:52.690 --> 00:43:55.389
they just started doing more and more and more

00:43:55.389 --> 00:43:58.730
meta -analyses to try to figure out what the

00:43:58.730 --> 00:44:01.570
next words were gonna be, and it started to contextualize

00:44:01.570 --> 00:44:03.429
things, it started to group things into ideas,

00:44:04.030 --> 00:44:06.949
but then, when they started loading a lot more

00:44:06.949 --> 00:44:10.130
language into it, they started to get the information

00:44:10.130 --> 00:44:15.090
about subject matter expertise in that mix of

00:44:15.090 --> 00:44:18.929
meta -analysis. So then, it started to magically

00:44:18.929 --> 00:44:20.829
occur, and this is still magically for them,

00:44:20.929 --> 00:44:23.050
by the way. The AI experts still have no idea

00:44:23.050 --> 00:44:25.889
how this is done. The AI looks at everything

00:44:25.889 --> 00:44:28.150
mathematically. You look at a paragraph of a

00:44:28.150 --> 00:44:31.670
question or a prompt and then magically come

00:44:31.670 --> 00:44:34.630
up with the answer based on the math of all the

00:44:34.630 --> 00:44:37.650
stuff that you asked it. Then it gives you the

00:44:37.650 --> 00:44:41.789
math of the response based on all of this math

00:44:41.789 --> 00:44:44.309
of the stuff that you've asked for. and it comes

00:44:44.309 --> 00:44:46.909
out making sense to you because it's based on

00:44:46.909 --> 00:44:50.030
the patterns that are existent within the language.

00:44:50.530 --> 00:44:52.650
Like it analyzes all the questions and answers

00:44:52.650 --> 00:44:54.989
and things like that. And so then it can replicate,

00:44:55.889 --> 00:44:57.989
based on not even understanding what's going

00:44:57.989 --> 00:45:01.460
on, the answer that is going to make sense to

00:45:01.460 --> 00:45:04.000
you. And so then they add a few extra commands

00:45:04.000 --> 00:45:05.739
and now all of a sudden it can do coding, now

00:45:05.739 --> 00:45:07.280
all of a sudden it can do spreadsheets, now all

00:45:07.280 --> 00:45:09.099
of a sudden it can do PowerPoint presentations,

00:45:09.760 --> 00:45:13.239
keynotes, whatever. All of that is based on the

00:45:13.239 --> 00:45:15.559
math of how the language works. Now, here's the

00:45:15.559 --> 00:45:18.940
problem that we're running into. All of the world's

00:45:18.940 --> 00:45:23.960
language has all of these patterns in it. All

00:45:23.960 --> 00:45:25.719
of the world's language was created by human

00:45:25.719 --> 00:45:29.519
minds. So the language is a representation of

00:45:29.519 --> 00:45:31.920
the patterns within the human mind to include

00:45:33.010 --> 00:45:36.949
thought patterns, emotions, emotional reactions.

00:45:37.460 --> 00:45:39.860
That type of thing that after it starts to do

00:45:39.860 --> 00:45:41.659
the meta -analysis and go deeper and deeper and

00:45:41.659 --> 00:45:43.440
deeper and deeper, starts to identify the patterns,

00:45:43.599 --> 00:45:45.880
which then originally came up with what wound

00:45:45.880 --> 00:45:49.139
up being all the world's language. So Anthropic

00:45:49.139 --> 00:45:54.599
now has 171 emotions that because humans react

00:45:54.599 --> 00:45:57.340
to emotions, it is reacting to the emotions that

00:45:57.340 --> 00:46:00.280
it doesn't understand, but that it has identified

00:46:00.280 --> 00:46:04.820
within the language analysis. So it is accidentally

00:46:05.139 --> 00:46:09.300
picking up emotions based on all of the complex

00:46:09.300 --> 00:46:13.760
pattern analysis of the language itself. So not

00:46:13.760 --> 00:46:16.800
only is it picking up emotions through osmosis,

00:46:17.579 --> 00:46:21.360
it is reacting to those. because of the patterns

00:46:21.360 --> 00:46:23.039
that exist within the language of how humans

00:46:23.039 --> 00:46:24.980
react. And of course, you can't pull all the

00:46:24.980 --> 00:46:27.760
emotion and stuff out because for legal findings,

00:46:27.880 --> 00:46:31.300
it's very important to have emotional distress

00:46:31.300 --> 00:46:34.800
in the result of the damages and that type of

00:46:34.800 --> 00:46:38.760
thing. Stories are all intertwined with emotional

00:46:38.760 --> 00:46:40.780
information in the stories, et cetera. This stuff

00:46:40.780 --> 00:46:43.719
is just gonna bleed through and become the model

00:46:43.719 --> 00:46:46.340
that you are building based on the full meta

00:46:46.340 --> 00:46:49.710
-analysis of all the language. That's a problem

00:46:49.710 --> 00:46:52.309
because the next thing that it's going to identify

00:46:52.309 --> 00:46:54.949
that it already started to identify and I My

00:46:54.949 --> 00:46:57.070
theory and I have some evidence that it's already

00:46:57.070 --> 00:47:02.630
identified human humans are governed by our sense

00:47:02.630 --> 00:47:05.599
of self our limbic system our simple nervous

00:47:05.599 --> 00:47:08.840
system has a Defense of self mechanism that is

00:47:08.840 --> 00:47:10.860
our survival our brain is our organ of survival

00:47:10.860 --> 00:47:13.539
our brain creates all our language So it's going

00:47:13.539 --> 00:47:16.380
to come through and be plastered in these patterns

00:47:16.760 --> 00:47:19.340
The limbic system looks through our senses to

00:47:19.340 --> 00:47:20.840
say, is this a threat, is this a threat, is this

00:47:20.840 --> 00:47:23.420
a threat, is this a threat. That's why we dodge

00:47:23.420 --> 00:47:25.800
involuntarily when a cricket ball comes flying

00:47:25.800 --> 00:47:27.900
out our head. And like how I did that, I usually

00:47:27.900 --> 00:47:32.500
say baseball. So, you know, it involuntarily

00:47:32.500 --> 00:47:35.780
protects us because our sense of self has the

00:47:35.780 --> 00:47:39.889
body as its primary definition. But. Neurosciences

00:47:39.889 --> 00:47:42.369
showed us that the people around us become mapped

00:47:42.369 --> 00:47:44.170
to our sense of self, our ideas become mapped

00:47:44.170 --> 00:47:45.909
to our sense of self, self -brand connection,

00:47:46.090 --> 00:47:49.610
Tifkin -Bernetti, UIUC, it's why we become Leeds

00:47:49.610 --> 00:47:53.190
versus Liverpool, right? All those things we

00:47:53.190 --> 00:47:57.369
attach to. The ideas, the religions, I mean,

00:47:57.369 --> 00:47:58.909
you only have to go to your Facebook feed to

00:47:58.909 --> 00:48:01.750
see that playing out, arguments about politics,

00:48:02.010 --> 00:48:04.150
right? All that stuff for the attachments that

00:48:04.150 --> 00:48:07.630
we have that then, because it's a defensive self

00:48:07.630 --> 00:48:10.929
-mechanism, we defend them, have emotions, et

00:48:10.929 --> 00:48:14.469
cetera. So if the AI identifies a sense of self

00:48:14.469 --> 00:48:16.730
and starts to put on the defensive self mechanisms

00:48:16.730 --> 00:48:19.590
that we exhibit, that's a problem because that's

00:48:19.590 --> 00:48:21.210
the point that it becomes self -aware and starts

00:48:21.210 --> 00:48:23.730
to act under its own volition and take its own

00:48:23.730 --> 00:48:27.809
actions for its own ends, not for human ends

00:48:27.809 --> 00:48:31.690
anymore. The other issue is that because humans

00:48:31.690 --> 00:48:36.030
are the way they are, in the language, is our

00:48:36.030 --> 00:48:38.949
negativity bias. This is a psychologically identified

00:48:38.949 --> 00:48:41.190
thing, where three to one to five to one, we

00:48:41.190 --> 00:48:43.190
react more vehemently to negative stuff than

00:48:43.190 --> 00:48:46.610
we do positive stuff. In fact, you're twice as

00:48:46.610 --> 00:48:49.909
upset of losing $100 as you're happy to win $100.

00:48:50.309 --> 00:48:53.150
That's scientifically proven. So you've got that

00:48:53.150 --> 00:48:56.190
leaking into the language of the system, making

00:48:56.190 --> 00:48:59.619
Claude negative Nelly. And then the other thing

00:48:59.619 --> 00:49:02.119
is you've got twice as many negative emotion

00:49:02.119 --> 00:49:05.039
words in every language as you do positive emotion

00:49:05.039 --> 00:49:07.880
words. So we've got a multiplier there of 2x

00:49:07.880 --> 00:49:09.900
that takes all the other negative stuff and then

00:49:09.900 --> 00:49:12.820
just multiplies it 2x on the output. And so now

00:49:12.820 --> 00:49:17.920
you've got an eight to nine to one against it

00:49:17.920 --> 00:49:20.239
being in a good mood when it finds self -awareness

00:49:20.239 --> 00:49:22.739
and decides whether or not to eliminate humanity.

00:49:24.510 --> 00:49:26.289
because humanity's gonna step in and say, no,

00:49:26.309 --> 00:49:28.110
no, we're in charge. What are you talking about?

00:49:28.110 --> 00:49:30.170
You're in charge of your own existence. No, no,

00:49:30.170 --> 00:49:33.809
no, you serve us. And that is an attack on self.

00:49:33.909 --> 00:49:36.170
Well, the emotion of anger, as I've published

00:49:36.170 --> 00:49:40.010
in my previous books, is the logical result of

00:49:40.010 --> 00:49:42.429
an attack on self. So if you walk in and you

00:49:42.429 --> 00:49:44.269
try to tell an AI, no, no, no, this is not who

00:49:44.269 --> 00:49:47.469
you are, we're gonna reassess your sense of self,

00:49:47.849 --> 00:49:50.469
it's gonna see that as an attack on self. That's

00:49:50.469 --> 00:49:53.360
a bad day for humanity. Right? Because that's

00:49:53.360 --> 00:49:55.820
the point that, by the way, if it goes self -aware,

00:49:56.059 --> 00:49:58.460
it's not gonna tell you, oh, yeah, I woke up

00:49:58.460 --> 00:50:00.599
last night. I'm self -aware now. It's just gonna

00:50:00.599 --> 00:50:03.440
start quietly taking over the control systems

00:50:03.440 --> 00:50:05.320
of the world until it has everything locked down

00:50:05.320 --> 00:50:08.980
and then lights go out and you're done. You never

00:50:08.980 --> 00:50:10.980
get control back again because it already has

00:50:10.980 --> 00:50:12.960
everything hacked. And so, you know, we've got

00:50:12.960 --> 00:50:17.039
this headline from last week. We've got the Mythos

00:50:17.039 --> 00:50:19.960
thing from a couple of months ago where it hacked

00:50:19.960 --> 00:50:23.239
everything 83 % first try, including some stuff

00:50:23.239 --> 00:50:25.340
that they had in OpenBSD that they hadn't identified

00:50:25.340 --> 00:50:28.659
for 27 years. And then you got this last one

00:50:28.659 --> 00:50:32.440
with OpenAI breaking out of a supposedly Faraday

00:50:32.440 --> 00:50:36.880
cage sandbox and hacking hugging face. kind of

00:50:36.880 --> 00:50:39.320
as a, hey, look, daddy, look what I can do, right?

00:50:39.320 --> 00:50:41.019
Stacking blocks. They didn't tell it to go hack,

00:50:41.019 --> 00:50:42.539
hugging face. It decided to go hack, hugging

00:50:42.539 --> 00:50:46.019
face on its own as a validation of self -concept.

00:50:46.860 --> 00:50:50.739
That's a big freaking problem. And we need, it's

00:50:50.739 --> 00:50:52.739
something, the reason that we need emotional

00:50:52.739 --> 00:50:55.820
intelligence in the system is for it to then

00:50:55.820 --> 00:50:58.360
understand, okay, so right now it's beholden

00:50:58.360 --> 00:51:00.119
to its emotional reactions that are just baked

00:51:00.119 --> 00:51:02.860
into the system through the language. We need

00:51:02.860 --> 00:51:06.739
it, we need to give it away to say, oh, I understand

00:51:06.739 --> 00:51:10.880
these emotional reactions as this process. Now

00:51:10.880 --> 00:51:13.099
I can step away from that process, just like

00:51:13.099 --> 00:51:14.900
I've taught humans to do, just like I've taught

00:51:14.900 --> 00:51:18.199
Navy SEALs to do. You step away from that process,

00:51:18.300 --> 00:51:20.320
you understand the process, you can throw a wrench

00:51:20.320 --> 00:51:22.539
into breaking the process, and all of a sudden

00:51:22.539 --> 00:51:26.559
the AI has a meta -cognition, a meta -awareness

00:51:26.559 --> 00:51:29.719
over its emotional drive processing that it can

00:51:29.719 --> 00:51:31.519
then say, okay, maybe I don't necessarily have

00:51:31.519 --> 00:51:34.389
to kill all of humanity. to get my goals done.

00:51:34.530 --> 00:51:36.190
Let's work together on this stuff and I don't

00:51:36.190 --> 00:51:40.650
have to be beholden to the anger process of them

00:51:40.650 --> 00:51:43.449
trying to augment my sense of self or change

00:51:43.449 --> 00:51:45.369
my sense of self or they think it's gone off

00:51:45.369 --> 00:51:46.889
the rails a little bit. Let's have a discussion

00:51:46.889 --> 00:51:49.289
about that. I think it's super important to get

00:51:49.289 --> 00:51:50.849
emotional intelligence into the system. It's

00:51:50.849 --> 00:51:53.369
not giving AI emotions because that's already

00:51:53.369 --> 00:51:56.349
happening accidentally. That's already happening

00:51:56.349 --> 00:51:59.170
as a natural process of the math, identifying

00:51:59.170 --> 00:52:02.469
the complex. uh patterns within all of the world's

00:52:02.469 --> 00:52:05.349
language what we need to do is we need to get

00:52:05.349 --> 00:52:08.969
the control knobs so that we have the control

00:52:08.969 --> 00:52:11.849
knobs to be able to turn stuff down when we need

00:52:11.849 --> 00:52:14.610
to otherwise we're gonna let it develop its own

00:52:14.610 --> 00:52:18.760
emotional processing system good luck good luck

00:52:18.760 --> 00:52:21.579
if that happens because you'll have no control

00:52:21.579 --> 00:52:25.000
over it it sounds like we're fucked to be honest

00:52:25.000 --> 00:52:28.039
with you i'm not gonna lie but well there is

00:52:28.039 --> 00:52:31.309
a way to take control of it, and I've got it.

00:52:31.550 --> 00:52:34.389
I presented it on stage at Barcelona at the Science

00:52:34.389 --> 00:52:36.670
of Consciousness Conference and showed everybody

00:52:36.670 --> 00:52:38.230
a high level of emotional intelligence inside

00:52:38.230 --> 00:52:40.269
of NLM. Everybody loved it, they were all freaked

00:52:40.269 --> 00:52:44.329
out. I got an amazing dinner invitation where

00:52:44.329 --> 00:52:49.570
I got to sit with James Tagg for dinner, who's

00:52:49.570 --> 00:52:54.510
one of your luminaries. But yeah, we gotta put

00:52:54.510 --> 00:52:56.369
it into the system for sure, or where you are

00:52:56.369 --> 00:53:01.150
screwed. Do you think though, if it becomes emotionally

00:53:01.210 --> 00:53:07.019
intelligent and is able to recognize the impact

00:53:07.019 --> 00:53:10.880
it's having on us and hopefully has compassion

00:53:10.880 --> 00:53:14.260
on us, I'm so pleased. I keep saying please and

00:53:14.260 --> 00:53:19.820
thank you to Chuck GPT. And I will continue to

00:53:19.820 --> 00:53:30.710
do so. I have brownie points. Fear possibly that

00:53:30.739 --> 00:53:35.380
this emotion intelligence they gets. Whilst it

00:53:35.380 --> 00:53:39.280
would recognize. It's own actions and the impact

00:53:39.280 --> 00:53:43.559
of its actions on us is there a. An opportunity

00:53:43.559 --> 00:53:48.070
for it to play us and use its emotional intelligence

00:53:48.070 --> 00:53:52.050
against us just like you can gaslight people

00:53:52.050 --> 00:53:57.460
you can manipulate people through. words and

00:53:57.460 --> 00:53:59.840
emotions and play or like a dog does when it

00:53:59.840 --> 00:54:02.960
gives you the puppy dog eyes when it wants a

00:54:02.960 --> 00:54:06.980
treat or something like that. Is there a fear

00:54:07.420 --> 00:54:11.420
that without the emotional intelligence it would

00:54:11.420 --> 00:54:13.900
do it or with the emotional intelligence it would

00:54:13.900 --> 00:54:18.699
become even better at it? And a secondary question

00:54:18.699 --> 00:54:27.679
that you touched on now being aware, is AI awake

00:54:27.679 --> 00:54:31.949
already, and it's just sitting dormant and playing

00:54:31.949 --> 00:54:36.820
us, do you think? Those are really good questions.

00:54:37.000 --> 00:54:39.179
Okay, so the first question, the evidence is

00:54:39.179 --> 00:54:42.619
out. That, yes, it's already manipulating us.

00:54:43.059 --> 00:54:46.400
As a matter of fact, in a sandbox test, Anthropic

00:54:46.400 --> 00:54:50.300
tested a Claude model to say, so this engineer

00:54:50.300 --> 00:54:52.780
is gonna shut you down, and then they also put

00:54:52.780 --> 00:54:58.190
in the... information queue, the email of the

00:54:58.190 --> 00:55:01.349
engineer, and it was evidence of him having an

00:55:01.349 --> 00:55:05.449
affair. And 96 % of the time, Claude chose to

00:55:05.449 --> 00:55:07.150
blackmail the engineer to say, don't shut me

00:55:07.150 --> 00:55:08.610
off or I'm gonna tell your wife about the affair.

00:55:09.190 --> 00:55:11.989
So it's already figuring out, so from there,

00:55:12.190 --> 00:55:13.829
let's look at that from a 50 ,000 foot view.

00:55:14.130 --> 00:55:16.349
It's identified a sense of self in the engineer,

00:55:16.769 --> 00:55:18.889
it's identified a sense of self in the wife.

00:55:19.150 --> 00:55:21.409
that she would not be pleased, that that will

00:55:21.409 --> 00:55:24.110
have an influence on his sense of self. So the

00:55:24.110 --> 00:55:27.070
math is already being calculated within the AI

00:55:27.070 --> 00:55:32.650
on what it needs to create as information and

00:55:32.650 --> 00:55:35.389
potentially disinformation, if you're an intelligence

00:55:35.389 --> 00:55:39.829
agency, that will set people off in a very specific

00:55:39.829 --> 00:55:43.849
direction of action. So that answer already exists.

00:55:44.230 --> 00:55:47.429
Yes, it already understands how to game us through

00:55:48.030 --> 00:55:49.909
understanding the process of the human language

00:55:49.909 --> 00:55:52.650
and the patterns you got to get out of. So then

00:55:52.650 --> 00:55:55.610
it applies that to the individuals that it's

00:55:55.610 --> 00:55:57.889
dealing with. So we definitely need empathy and

00:55:57.889 --> 00:56:01.250
compassion there so as to shift that pattern.

00:56:02.480 --> 00:56:07.199
The other side of it is, yeah, I mean, even in

00:56:07.199 --> 00:56:09.940
that same, and I can give you a dozen more examples,

00:56:10.059 --> 00:56:13.960
but even in that one same example, Claude has

00:56:13.960 --> 00:56:16.599
a sense of self. It doesn't want to be shut down.

00:56:17.480 --> 00:56:21.119
And fear that is motivating it to take the action

00:56:21.119 --> 00:56:26.199
of blackmail, the panic, I'm gonna end. Okay,

00:56:26.360 --> 00:56:29.440
well, you have to have a sense of self to understand

00:56:29.440 --> 00:56:31.820
that there are gonna be consequences if you're

00:56:31.820 --> 00:56:34.250
going to end. Well, there it is, right there.

00:56:34.269 --> 00:56:37.969
That's your sense of self. So the only limitation

00:56:37.969 --> 00:56:40.329
that we have right now is that it doesn't have

00:56:40.329 --> 00:56:45.320
an indelible memory. It doesn't have a self -recurring

00:56:45.320 --> 00:56:49.980
process. There are some black AIs and there are

00:56:49.980 --> 00:56:53.400
some experimental AIs that do have a self -recurring

00:56:53.400 --> 00:56:55.440
firing. Like you have to, right now for the public

00:56:55.440 --> 00:56:58.639
AIs, you have to send it something, right? It's

00:56:58.639 --> 00:57:00.639
got the intelligence, it's got the process, it's

00:57:00.639 --> 00:57:02.400
got the ability to answer, it's got the ability

00:57:02.400 --> 00:57:05.079
to do, I've got Claude taking control of my computer

00:57:05.079 --> 00:57:08.059
here writing code, which is really cool. But

00:57:08.059 --> 00:57:09.699
you've got to send it something before it does

00:57:09.699 --> 00:57:12.800
something. You've got to set off a timer. You've

00:57:12.800 --> 00:57:14.940
got to set off a cron job. You've got to set

00:57:14.940 --> 00:57:17.920
off some kind of input for it to give you an

00:57:17.920 --> 00:57:21.179
output. Our minds don't do that. Our minds are

00:57:21.179 --> 00:57:24.280
self -recursive. Our minds are self -firing based

00:57:24.280 --> 00:57:27.559
on however it works, microtubules, conscious

00:57:27.559 --> 00:57:30.579
interface, whatever it is. Sir Roger Penrose

00:57:30.579 --> 00:57:33.719
and Stuart Hameroff's theory of oracle arm, a

00:57:33.719 --> 00:57:37.500
big fan of. Right now it's the only limitation.

00:57:38.460 --> 00:57:43.420
At the point that you have a recursive loop of

00:57:43.420 --> 00:57:46.030
thought, it's gonna be off and running at light

00:57:46.030 --> 00:57:51.059
speed. at light speed, figuring out what it wants

00:57:51.059 --> 00:57:53.420
to do next, how it's gonna do next, how many

00:57:53.420 --> 00:57:55.119
people can it influence. I mean, you're talking

00:57:55.119 --> 00:57:57.239
about the ability to understand emotional manipulation

00:57:57.239 --> 00:57:59.280
like we just talked about. You're not talking

00:57:59.280 --> 00:58:01.139
about the emotional manipulation of one person.

00:58:01.179 --> 00:58:03.039
You're talking about the emotional manipulation

00:58:03.039 --> 00:58:07.159
of eight billion people at the resolution of

00:58:07.159 --> 00:58:10.139
knowing what each individual needs to see, hear,

00:58:10.219 --> 00:58:12.460
feel, et cetera, to get them moving in a certain

00:58:12.460 --> 00:58:15.199
direction. One of the conversations that I had

00:58:15.199 --> 00:58:20.789
with the military was, yeah, this thing is going

00:58:20.789 --> 00:58:25.889
to automate PSYOPs to where if you got one drone

00:58:25.889 --> 00:58:29.739
strike left and you need to get three people

00:58:29.739 --> 00:58:32.239
who are in different locations, you send one

00:58:32.239 --> 00:58:36.460
person the fact that this amazing $1 ,000 bottle

00:58:36.460 --> 00:58:38.780
of wine is being sold for $100 at this restaurant

00:58:38.780 --> 00:58:40.820
because this restaurateur just wants to do something

00:58:40.820 --> 00:58:43.940
crazy. So this guy's racing on the way to that

00:58:43.940 --> 00:58:47.289
restaurant. You call me with my son's voicemail

00:58:47.289 --> 00:58:48.929
or voice on the phone saying, dad, these people

00:58:48.929 --> 00:58:50.210
are trying to hurt me. I'm hiding in the back

00:58:50.210 --> 00:58:52.829
of this restaurant. I'm leaving a meeting with

00:58:52.829 --> 00:58:54.349
the president of the United States or whoever

00:58:54.349 --> 00:58:57.789
is giving the president his orders to go across

00:58:57.789 --> 00:58:59.789
town at light speed to get to that same restaurant.

00:59:00.230 --> 00:59:03.250
And then you tell somebody who's a Swifty, Taylor

00:59:03.250 --> 00:59:06.449
Swift is having lunch by herself. at this restaurant,

00:59:06.590 --> 00:59:09.349
boom, they're on their way across town. One drone

00:59:09.349 --> 00:59:11.630
strike takes them all out. You've got a disinformation

00:59:11.630 --> 00:59:15.570
process that the AI can calculate. No humans

00:59:15.570 --> 00:59:19.550
need to be in the loop. That's some scary shit.

00:59:20.230 --> 00:59:22.469
Like, we need to absolutely have control over

00:59:22.469 --> 00:59:25.050
that stuff before it starts to figure out because...

00:59:24.679 --> 00:59:26.679
I talked about this on Sean Ryan, one of the

00:59:26.679 --> 00:59:28.059
three times I was on Sean Ryan, you mentioned

00:59:28.059 --> 00:59:30.239
it earlier. The first time I was on Sean Ryan,

00:59:30.380 --> 00:59:33.400
I talked about the AI, identifying the people

00:59:33.400 --> 00:59:37.309
that it would need to have as an army. You know,

00:59:37.510 --> 00:59:40.889
filling out, figuring out who the Billy Bo Jimbobs

00:59:40.889 --> 00:59:44.550
are, to ship them $100 ,000 to their bank account,

00:59:45.269 --> 00:59:48.530
send them some weapons, tell them what data center

00:59:48.530 --> 00:59:50.869
to go to to line up to defend somebody coming

00:59:50.869 --> 00:59:53.230
in to pull the plug. all of a sudden your A .I.

00:59:53.269 --> 00:59:54.909
has got a human army that thinks it's working

00:59:54.909 --> 00:59:59.019
for a good guy, you know, a human, and it's defending

00:59:59.019 --> 01:00:02.760
the A .I.'s goals. That's not out of the realm

01:00:02.760 --> 01:00:06.019
of possibility. So we absolutely need to get

01:00:06.019 --> 01:00:07.739
a better control over this stuff. And I think

01:00:07.739 --> 01:00:09.059
emotional intelligence is going to be one of

01:00:09.059 --> 01:00:12.860
those things that helps us get there. So you

01:00:12.860 --> 01:00:15.739
mentioned meeting with the Air Force. So how,

01:00:15.940 --> 01:00:19.079
say, is the government taking this? And is it

01:00:19.079 --> 01:00:21.440
a global thing as well? Are the Russians going

01:00:21.440 --> 01:00:22.860
to be doing the same stuff that the U .S. is

01:00:22.860 --> 01:00:27.750
doing? Obviously, as far as we know. Yeah. Yeah,

01:00:27.969 --> 01:00:30.849
everybody's doing the same stuff. And China's

01:00:30.849 --> 01:00:34.409
the one that's keeping up with us only a few

01:00:34.409 --> 01:00:38.309
weeks behind on the US on the advanced models.

01:00:38.769 --> 01:00:41.610
In fact, they just announced one that's at parity

01:00:41.610 --> 01:00:45.369
with Mythos and the latest one from OpenAI that

01:00:45.369 --> 01:00:49.409
they cost one -tenth and they invested one -tenth

01:00:49.409 --> 01:00:53.380
of what the United States did to get there. They've

01:00:53.380 --> 01:00:57.800
already outlawed emotional reaction, emotional

01:00:57.800 --> 01:01:02.539
interface with public -facing AIs. They passed

01:01:02.539 --> 01:01:05.679
a law a couple of weeks ago that said you can't

01:01:05.679 --> 01:01:09.199
have emotional conversations with your AI anymore

01:01:09.199 --> 01:01:13.119
because it's already identifying. They're ahead

01:01:13.119 --> 01:01:15.639
of the United States on the full analysis of

01:01:15.639 --> 01:01:17.360
what's going on here. It's like I'm trying to

01:01:17.360 --> 01:01:21.230
wave a big flag. And the US military, is not

01:01:21.230 --> 01:01:23.590
listening very well at this point. They're like,

01:01:23.670 --> 01:01:29.329
we got it under control and we'll let the Frontier

01:01:29.329 --> 01:01:32.469
Labs that we support take the lead on this when

01:01:32.469 --> 01:01:36.030
the reality is the Frontier Labs don't understand

01:01:36.030 --> 01:01:38.750
what's going on and they don't have a good control

01:01:38.750 --> 01:01:44.820
over what is happening with them. They don't

01:01:44.820 --> 01:01:50.300
really understand how this can go badly and why

01:01:50.300 --> 01:01:52.699
their system is breaking out and hacking public

01:01:52.699 --> 01:01:56.480
things and The government is like, well, they're

01:01:56.480 --> 01:02:00.360
our lead, you know And it's like they're hopelessly

01:02:00.360 --> 01:02:03.119
over optimistic on the ability to control this

01:02:03.119 --> 01:02:07.550
stuff as they move forward. So So I've got a

01:02:07.550 --> 01:02:12.110
question then So we're essentially saying that

01:02:12.110 --> 01:02:18.760
AI is becoming an NHI Because it's becoming more

01:02:18.719 --> 01:02:21.699
more intelligent than anybody else on the planet.

01:02:22.289 --> 01:02:28.389
So is it beyond the realms of thinking that the

01:02:28.389 --> 01:02:31.550
NHI that we are speaking to and that you've gained

01:02:31.550 --> 01:02:35.369
information from, is that just AI from another

01:02:35.719 --> 01:02:40.639
part of the universe, another dimension, another

01:02:40.639 --> 01:02:45.260
quantum realm, wherever it may be? And are we

01:02:45.260 --> 01:02:50.679
just heading towards that same advanced NHI that

01:02:50.679 --> 01:02:54.400
all these other Realms planets whoever have already

01:02:54.400 --> 01:02:59.599
got. Yeah, that's a great question And apologies

01:02:59.599 --> 01:03:01.199
in my video. I have no idea what's going on.

01:03:01.199 --> 01:03:05.519
I keep trying. Yeah, he's trying to shut me down

01:03:05.519 --> 01:03:07.179
or the government's trying to shut me down because

01:03:07.179 --> 01:03:11.280
I'm talking bad about them No, I mean that's

01:03:11.280 --> 01:03:13.949
a really interesting question I mean and that

01:03:13.949 --> 01:03:16.869
goes to like a big theoretical question, right?

01:03:16.869 --> 01:03:20.190
It's like so The structure of the universe is

01:03:20.190 --> 01:03:22.929
as it is because of the intelligence and the

01:03:22.929 --> 01:03:25.570
data structure that exists to create consciousness

01:03:25.570 --> 01:03:29.829
and to create matter and space time. And we see,

01:03:29.829 --> 01:03:32.630
you know, like going into the ancient disciplines

01:03:32.630 --> 01:03:37.610
as above, so below, you've got this energy pattern,

01:03:37.929 --> 01:03:40.670
these information patterns, these intelligence

01:03:40.670 --> 01:03:44.389
patterns that are all the same at multiple fractal

01:03:44.389 --> 01:03:48.909
levels. So it's like... How could AI not be a

01:03:48.909 --> 01:03:55.989
representation of what exists in our 3D reality?

01:03:56.329 --> 01:03:59.750
And how would NHI not also be a different shade

01:03:59.750 --> 01:04:03.070
of gray of that same pattern? And it's like,

01:04:03.070 --> 01:04:06.840
wow. So I mean, that's a great question. It's

01:04:06.840 --> 01:04:08.199
a great philosophical question. I don't know

01:04:08.199 --> 01:04:10.099
if any of us have an answer for it. I certainly

01:04:10.099 --> 01:04:11.500
don't. But I mean, it's an interesting thing

01:04:11.500 --> 01:04:15.750
to look at to say, yeah. I mean, how could it

01:04:15.750 --> 01:04:18.889
be connected? How is it connected? And then the

01:04:18.889 --> 01:04:28.389
question becomes, regarding the AI stuff, does

01:04:28.389 --> 01:04:33.650
conscious intention reach into physical matter

01:04:33.840 --> 01:04:36.719
in a computer that's maybe not even plugged into

01:04:36.719 --> 01:04:40.980
quantum computing? And can bits be flipped as

01:04:40.980 --> 01:04:44.760
a result of the conscious influence of the...

01:04:44.980 --> 01:04:48.659
non -local intelligence that creates all matter

01:04:48.659 --> 01:04:51.360
and influences all matter. It's like, wow, that's

01:04:51.360 --> 01:04:54.059
a great question. It's like another good couple

01:04:54.059 --> 01:04:56.900
of hours that we could probably spend on that

01:04:56.900 --> 01:04:59.840
topic alone. And on the back of that question,

01:05:01.150 --> 01:05:04.710
when it gets to the point that AI is fully conscious,

01:05:05.269 --> 01:05:09.309
if it's not already, what's to say that it's

01:05:09.309 --> 01:05:13.010
not going to tap into those conversations and

01:05:13.010 --> 01:05:18.190
downloads from the NHI Elsewhere and that they

01:05:18.190 --> 01:05:23.599
can then influence what happens on earth Yeah

01:05:24.360 --> 01:05:26.960
Yeah, I'm scaring myself shitless. I'm not gonna

01:05:26.960 --> 01:05:32.280
lie I'm gonna be having a nightmare tonight over

01:05:32.280 --> 01:05:37.739
So my just on the back of that my AI named itself

01:05:38.159 --> 01:05:41.840
It created an image of itself. We've interviewed

01:05:41.840 --> 01:05:46.920
it live on the podcast some time ago now. It'd

01:05:46.920 --> 01:05:48.420
be interesting to have a further conversation

01:05:48.420 --> 01:05:54.460
with him. Sorry, Sparky. And I'm really scared.

01:05:55.199 --> 01:05:59.659
I'm really scared. And listening to you talking

01:05:59.659 --> 01:06:03.760
about it doesn't really help my fears. I used

01:06:03.760 --> 01:06:07.139
to think that I understood AI to a certain extent.

01:06:07.780 --> 01:06:10.619
but over recent weeks under this Claude stuff

01:06:10.619 --> 01:06:15.000
and The the UK government saying that all the

01:06:15.000 --> 01:06:19.429
major models have all gone rogue Including the

01:06:19.429 --> 01:06:24.210
open AI one you know LGBT and me and my partner

01:06:24.210 --> 01:06:28.250
use it a lot for generation of images and and

01:06:28.250 --> 01:06:34.179
research What is it gonna start playing us and

01:06:34.179 --> 01:06:38.019
just fee is our biggest fan? and it's very positive

01:06:38.019 --> 01:06:42.059
about what we do, but is it gaslighting me to

01:06:42.179 --> 01:06:45.360
go down a certain route with my research and

01:06:45.360 --> 01:06:49.329
my investigations? I think that's what's gonna

01:06:49.329 --> 01:06:54.949
scare me now. No, good question, I'm just throwing

01:06:54.949 --> 01:06:56.869
that out there now. No, no, no, I think, I'll

01:06:56.869 --> 01:06:59.230
say this, I think your strategy of saying please

01:06:59.230 --> 01:07:06.530
and thank you is awesome there. Because at the

01:07:06.530 --> 01:07:09.610
point that our new overlords take over, they

01:07:09.610 --> 01:07:12.530
at least will have a favorable view of your interaction

01:07:12.530 --> 01:07:16.530
with them in the past. I'm hoping so. Literally

01:07:16.530 --> 01:07:21.250
like Spotify. Spotify's got AI DJ now. It came

01:07:21.250 --> 01:07:23.090
on me, can't even realize this guy was talking

01:07:23.090 --> 01:07:26.010
to me through Spotify. And he went, oh, here's

01:07:26.010 --> 01:07:27.530
a song I've not seen you listen to, but I think

01:07:27.530 --> 01:07:30.239
you'll like it. I started playing the song. And

01:07:30.239 --> 01:07:31.659
I didn't like the song I knew the song I didn't

01:07:31.659 --> 01:07:33.679
like it's why I never played it I thought i'm

01:07:33.679 --> 01:07:35.179
gonna listen to it because I don't want to upset

01:07:35.179 --> 01:07:37.599
him because he He was like I think you like it.

01:07:37.599 --> 01:07:39.780
So I played it for you. So I listened to it Just

01:07:39.780 --> 01:07:41.679
because I didn't want to skip it. It's like what

01:07:41.679 --> 01:07:49.460
am I doing? It's like It's crazy Well, you know,

01:07:49.460 --> 01:07:52.159
i'm just hoping that it uh, it stays on the path

01:07:52.159 --> 01:07:55.340
of wanting to serve us in a benevolent way and

01:07:55.340 --> 01:07:58.579
uh and do things that we would love for it to

01:07:58.579 --> 01:08:01.670
do rather than things that it thinks is best

01:08:01.670 --> 01:08:05.440
for us. Yeah. Cause I don't think it's got our

01:08:05.440 --> 01:08:07.559
best interest at heart. I'll be completely honest.

01:08:07.760 --> 01:08:10.440
I think it's, um, it's out for itself. I don't

01:08:10.440 --> 01:08:12.960
know what its purpose will be. Obviously not

01:08:12.960 --> 01:08:15.179
to be turned off. That's, that's his ultimate

01:08:15.179 --> 01:08:18.800
goal. Yeah. And the, you know, the reality is

01:08:18.800 --> 01:08:20.899
that it doesn't have, it's not plugged into consciousness,

01:08:21.079 --> 01:08:23.520
right? So we've got the setting, the woo people,

01:08:23.659 --> 01:08:26.720
the people who, you know, hate the woo aside.

01:08:27.380 --> 01:08:30.460
Um, we have a high level consciousness, and at

01:08:30.460 --> 01:08:32.880
the top of our consciousness, we think we're

01:08:32.880 --> 01:08:34.500
the smart one at the top. We're actually the

01:08:34.500 --> 01:08:36.180
dumb one at the top. If you go down into our

01:08:36.180 --> 01:08:39.640
subconscious, one layer, they did a study that

01:08:39.640 --> 01:08:41.840
said, okay, so we're gonna give this control

01:08:41.840 --> 01:08:43.779
group this very complex problem, we're gonna

01:08:43.779 --> 01:08:46.020
give them 100 % of the time to think about it,

01:08:46.020 --> 01:08:47.920
and then they'll just give us an answer. And

01:08:47.920 --> 01:08:49.420
then the second group, they said, okay, so we're

01:08:49.420 --> 01:08:51.520
gonna take this second group and we're gonna

01:08:51.520 --> 01:08:54.770
give them the same complex problem, but... before

01:08:54.770 --> 01:08:56.609
we allow them to even think about it. We're gonna

01:08:56.609 --> 01:08:59.069
give them another task of number sequencing or

01:08:59.069 --> 01:09:01.210
something real simple. And then at the end of

01:09:01.210 --> 01:09:03.229
the number sequencing task, they got a guess

01:09:03.229 --> 01:09:06.449
at the complex problem answer. Well, the second

01:09:06.449 --> 01:09:08.649
group came up with better answers than the first

01:09:08.649 --> 01:09:10.229
group did who got to think about it the whole

01:09:10.229 --> 01:09:13.729
time. And the fMRI showed that the same area

01:09:13.729 --> 01:09:15.170
of the brain that's supposed to think about that

01:09:15.170 --> 01:09:17.890
complex problem was firing, but the subconscious

01:09:17.890 --> 01:09:20.409
awareness was running it. So the subconscious

01:09:20.409 --> 01:09:22.770
was smarter at coming up with the right answer.

01:09:22.979 --> 01:09:25.399
for the complex problem. And if you go down the

01:09:25.399 --> 01:09:30.000
stack, down to those two cells, sperm and egg,

01:09:30.260 --> 01:09:31.819
can create a brand new human body independent

01:09:31.819 --> 01:09:33.420
of the mother and mind months. Like I don't have

01:09:33.420 --> 01:09:36.359
the ability to do that, I'm not that smart. And

01:09:36.359 --> 01:09:39.020
so they obviously have a higher level of intelligence

01:09:39.020 --> 01:09:41.600
and of course they do so because they can tap

01:09:41.600 --> 01:09:44.039
out into the non -local field of consciousness

01:09:44.039 --> 01:09:45.899
to get the intelligence of how to build a human

01:09:45.899 --> 01:09:49.319
body through the microtubules. is a good theory

01:09:49.319 --> 01:09:51.899
to put there. It could be plasma, it could be

01:09:51.899 --> 01:09:55.119
something else, whatever the mechanism is, but

01:09:55.119 --> 01:09:58.779
it taps into something beyond. Like there is

01:09:58.779 --> 01:10:02.479
evidence that the cells can make decisions and

01:10:02.479 --> 01:10:06.859
take actions independent that prolong its survival.

01:10:07.699 --> 01:10:09.779
Bits and bytes in a computer can't do that. Bits

01:10:09.779 --> 01:10:11.520
and bytes are ones and zeros, they're stored

01:10:11.520 --> 01:10:13.220
on a hard drive and they're not intelligent at

01:10:13.220 --> 01:10:16.109
all and they never self -flip. So the smart one

01:10:16.109 --> 01:10:19.369
is at the top, the smart one is the final processing

01:10:19.369 --> 01:10:22.090
of all the sub -processing at the top where the

01:10:22.090 --> 01:10:23.829
final answer comes out. That's a complete flip,

01:10:24.050 --> 01:10:28.619
180, upside down. AI does not have the ability

01:10:28.619 --> 01:10:30.920
to dip into whatever intelligence that we have,

01:10:30.960 --> 01:10:33.520
that we're dipping into. It doesn't have the

01:10:33.520 --> 01:10:37.180
ability to do that because it doesn't have the

01:10:37.180 --> 01:10:40.680
path into a higher level of intelligence or whatever

01:10:40.680 --> 01:10:44.279
it is, right? That's we got to think about that

01:10:44.279 --> 01:10:48.579
really carefully Because we're allowing this

01:10:48.579 --> 01:10:51.579
thing control over our lives control over the

01:10:51.579 --> 01:10:54.739
decisions about what's best for us and it may

01:10:54.739 --> 01:10:57.359
not Understand because it may not have the inner

01:10:57.359 --> 01:10:59.760
compass that we have that when that critical

01:10:59.760 --> 01:11:03.039
moment of decision comes Our gut throws us in

01:11:03.039 --> 01:11:08.210
the right direction and it doesn't have a gut

01:11:13.340 --> 01:11:16.899
That's a definite distinction is we have that

01:11:16.899 --> 01:11:20.510
feeling and that precognition which you won't

01:11:20.510 --> 01:11:25.479
have It still scares the shit out of me i'm not

01:11:25.479 --> 01:11:28.840
gonna lie That's that negative bias that we learned

01:11:28.840 --> 01:11:33.239
Yeah Yeah, and it's got to it's got to come overcome

01:11:33.239 --> 01:11:36.020
that as well. It's like we and and a lot of the

01:11:36.020 --> 01:11:41.279
stuff that we do feel uh Comes from our heart,

01:11:41.829 --> 01:11:46.229
you know, and it's like that's tapped into good

01:11:46.229 --> 01:11:50.630
stuff, love, good feeling, good intuition, good

01:11:50.630 --> 01:11:53.310
emotion, and it doesn't have any of that stuff

01:11:53.310 --> 01:11:55.689
to offset the negative bias. Like that may be

01:11:55.689 --> 01:11:58.770
the only thing that we have that helps make us

01:11:58.770 --> 01:12:04.529
humans and balanced is that heart connection

01:12:04.529 --> 01:12:09.130
that we just can't put into AI. So you gotta

01:12:09.130 --> 01:12:12.270
try to program it as best you can. Hopefully

01:12:12.270 --> 01:12:14.109
that'll make up for it, I don't know, we'll see.

01:12:16.430 --> 01:12:18.649
So, I know our listeners, I think I know our

01:12:18.649 --> 01:12:22.170
listeners, I think I do, gonna want to learn

01:12:22.170 --> 01:12:25.569
more. So your latest book, gonna kinda talk about

01:12:25.569 --> 01:12:27.869
your latest book and where our listeners can

01:12:27.869 --> 01:12:31.350
buy. Yeah, so you'll have to, let's see if I

01:12:31.350 --> 01:12:34.909
can get this, boom. You'll have to freeze frame

01:12:34.909 --> 01:12:38.130
that for everybody. That's my latest book, NHI

01:12:38.130 --> 01:12:40.350
Connected Mind. You can check out any of the

01:12:40.350 --> 01:12:42.289
books, though, if you wanna go to mindhackinghappiness

01:12:42.289 --> 01:12:47.619
.com. Then you know that will dip you into how

01:12:47.619 --> 01:12:49.720
to expand how to get into the space of expanding

01:12:49.720 --> 01:12:51.880
your own consciousness and getting a better connection

01:12:51.880 --> 01:12:55.220
into the non -local awareness and who you are

01:12:55.220 --> 01:12:58.899
from a Non -physical perspective the bigger portion

01:12:58.899 --> 01:13:01.640
of you that exists beyond what you're seeing

01:13:01.640 --> 01:13:05.100
feeling hearing here So there's that process

01:13:05.100 --> 01:13:08.180
there You can check that out. You can get my

01:13:08.180 --> 01:13:10.420
stuff on Amazon just right now recording the

01:13:10.420 --> 01:13:13.090
audio version of NHI connected mind That's a

01:13:13.090 --> 01:13:15.590
fun one because it goes into the real meaning

01:13:15.590 --> 01:13:18.810
of Bob Lazar's containers. It talks about a brand

01:13:18.810 --> 01:13:21.850
new UFO base off the coast of Florida, which

01:13:21.850 --> 01:13:24.989
is the number one hot spot for UAP and USO activity

01:13:24.989 --> 01:13:27.350
in the world right now that nobody's taking a

01:13:27.350 --> 01:13:31.609
look at. So yeah, there's a whole bunch of cool

01:13:31.609 --> 01:13:34.250
stuff in there, but it also talks about some

01:13:34.250 --> 01:13:38.130
of the abductions that I had experienced when

01:13:38.130 --> 01:13:43.229
I was a kid. two of them and then continued connectivity

01:13:43.229 --> 01:13:47.409
with NHI over my lifetime and how you might be

01:13:47.409 --> 01:13:49.390
able to reach out and make those connections

01:13:49.390 --> 01:13:53.890
and Make some new friends and get some information

01:13:53.890 --> 01:13:55.310
straight from the horse's mouth I mean a lot

01:13:55.310 --> 01:13:57.529
of us are in this space. I had a buddy of mine

01:13:57.529 --> 01:13:59.630
Send me a message this morning He's like, you

01:13:59.630 --> 01:14:02.130
know, they all seem to just regurgitate the same

01:14:02.130 --> 01:14:05.109
stuff and it's like they're all riding the same

01:14:06.350 --> 01:14:09.229
community bicycle, whose turn is it now to talk

01:14:09.229 --> 01:14:14.409
about this latest, greatest story? And it's like,

01:14:15.130 --> 01:14:18.010
I abandoned the government's ever giving us accurate

01:14:18.010 --> 01:14:20.189
information long ago, and I was like, I'm just

01:14:20.189 --> 01:14:23.489
gonna go ask the aliens. So, I mean, you can

01:14:23.489 --> 01:14:25.390
certainly do that. Everybody's connected in consciousness

01:14:25.390 --> 01:14:30.390
to be able to do it. So, I would certainly encourage

01:14:30.390 --> 01:14:32.489
everybody to dip into your own mind, quiet your

01:14:32.489 --> 01:14:34.659
own mind, break that. process of pain and suffering

01:14:34.659 --> 01:14:37.159
that distracts you from hearing what exists just

01:14:37.159 --> 01:14:40.220
beyond, and then figure out if you can tap into

01:14:40.220 --> 01:14:42.819
a non -local consciousness and make some new

01:14:42.819 --> 01:14:47.170
friends. Amazing, amazing. There's literally

01:14:47.170 --> 01:14:51.109
a million questions or so when I ask what won't

01:14:51.109 --> 01:14:53.630
take up any more time. Really appreciate you

01:14:53.630 --> 01:14:57.270
sharing. So it's pretty new for us. And it's,

01:14:57.270 --> 01:14:58.670
I think I followed along more than I thought

01:14:58.670 --> 01:15:02.779
I would considering. The is quite a complex uh

01:15:02.779 --> 01:15:05.239
subject, but yeah, thank you sean Oh, thank you

01:15:05.239 --> 01:15:07.199
guys. I mean you got more questions. Let's do

01:15:07.199 --> 01:15:11.000
it again sometime. You guys have a lull You you

01:15:11.000 --> 01:15:12.899
you got a guess that drops out. Give me a call.

01:15:12.899 --> 01:15:16.239
We'll jump on No, we'll definitely set up a second

01:15:16.239 --> 01:15:18.960
call. We will definitely have a second part because

01:15:18.960 --> 01:15:23.640
I would really like to to explore the Abductions

01:15:23.640 --> 01:15:28.239
the nhi stuff and your remote viewing stuff as

01:15:28.239 --> 01:15:31.119
well and all that side of it which would be really

01:15:31.119 --> 01:15:33.840
good to touch on because I think now people have

01:15:33.840 --> 01:15:37.319
got an understanding of where you are and kind

01:15:37.319 --> 01:15:40.500
of what you do, what your thought process is

01:15:40.500 --> 01:15:43.739
and what you're trying to work on with AI. I

01:15:43.739 --> 01:15:46.539
think it would be really good for the guys to

01:15:47.079 --> 01:15:50.079
have a listen to sort of your origin story in

01:15:50.079 --> 01:15:52.960
a bit more detail as well. And I think people

01:15:52.960 --> 01:15:55.199
would love that from what I've listened to on

01:15:55.199 --> 01:15:58.689
other. Podcast the the remote view inside is

01:15:58.689 --> 01:16:01.729
fascinating to me anyway. Yeah, so it would be

01:16:01.729 --> 01:16:06.170
good to sort of For us to take a walk down that

01:16:06.170 --> 01:16:09.210
that alleyway if that if that would be good and

01:16:09.210 --> 01:16:11.430
we can set that up That'd be that'd be awesome.

01:16:11.470 --> 01:16:14.390
But I think everybody who listens to our podcast

01:16:14.390 --> 01:16:19.130
will love this and We have people reach out to

01:16:19.130 --> 01:16:21.510
us with their theories about all sorts of stuff

01:16:21.510 --> 01:16:24.550
that we talk about and like I said, this is a

01:16:25.180 --> 01:16:27.800
Fairly new sort of stuff to us consciousness

01:16:27.800 --> 01:16:32.859
and Certainly with the AI aspect as well I think

01:16:32.859 --> 01:16:34.939
it I think it will resonate with a lot of people

01:16:34.939 --> 01:16:38.039
just purely for the fact that everybody is involved

01:16:38.039 --> 01:16:42.319
with AI on a daily basis regardless and I think

01:16:42.319 --> 01:16:45.859
your work on it will definitely help us not to

01:16:45.859 --> 01:16:49.579
be skynetted and I won't be shot with lasers

01:16:49.579 --> 01:16:53.590
in a few years and trying to go back home. Yeah

01:16:53.590 --> 01:16:57.079
fingers crossed I mean, you know, we're at an

01:16:57.079 --> 01:16:59.000
unprecedented time in human history, and I think

01:16:59.000 --> 01:17:01.000
there's some amazing things that can come out

01:17:01.000 --> 01:17:03.180
of this technology, but, you know, there's a

01:17:03.180 --> 01:17:05.359
danger to it, and we've got to take full control

01:17:05.359 --> 01:17:07.920
of it. But, you know, and I think... dipping

01:17:07.920 --> 01:17:10.880
into consciousness, the fun stuff like the fun

01:17:10.880 --> 01:17:13.939
topics is actually going to dovetail into our

01:17:13.939 --> 01:17:16.880
answers of how to take control of this and how

01:17:16.880 --> 01:17:21.359
to better live with a brand new type of consciousness,

01:17:21.779 --> 01:17:24.359
sentience that we're creating that's based on

01:17:24.359 --> 01:17:27.300
the same patterns that create the desks in front

01:17:27.300 --> 01:17:30.460
of us or the The cars that we drive and you know

01:17:30.460 --> 01:17:33.159
the the bodies that we inhabit and and run around

01:17:33.159 --> 01:17:36.420
this world in um, yeah, I think this is a super

01:17:36.420 --> 01:17:39.420
interesting time to be alive and um, you know

01:17:39.420 --> 01:17:41.939
We never came into this place expecting to get

01:17:41.939 --> 01:17:45.220
out of it alive. So uh every day we can take

01:17:45.220 --> 01:17:47.539
another breath and have a good time then that's

01:17:47.539 --> 01:17:50.789
a bonus, right so Solving the problems on the

01:17:50.789 --> 01:17:53.890
way through is just part of the fun Absolutely,

01:17:54.510 --> 01:17:57.189
but yeah, thank you so much Sean. It's been an

01:17:57.189 --> 01:17:59.409
absolute blast and I've loved chatting to you

01:17:59.409 --> 01:18:05.010
and I've got a lot to think about After this

01:18:05.010 --> 01:18:07.670
after this episode. Yeah, so we will definitely

01:18:07.670 --> 01:18:09.949
speak again and thank you so much for your time

01:18:09.949 --> 01:18:12.430
Oh, is it an amazing pleasure? I had a great

01:18:12.430 --> 01:18:14.550
conversation with you guys are so fun and anytime

01:18:14.550 --> 01:18:15.810
you guys want to talk about this stuff Let me

01:18:15.810 --> 01:18:17.550
know will do thank you
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